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It's worth looking at reach and stack together. Or looking at the front center to assess the size difference. Essentially the front end of the bike is a little shorter (5mm), while the majority of the change was in the rear. This was done to bring the riders neutral position more to the center of the bike. The main geo goal for this bike was to increase stack on the larger sizes, and shift the weight distribution more central. This was consistent rider feedback from the V1. Of interest, the -10mm dropout will give a similar weight distribution as the V1 - for riders that prefer that handling.

This is a copy/paste but it should answer your question: It's worth looking at reach and stack together. Or looking at the front center to assess the size difference. Essentially the front end of the bike is a little shorter (5mm), while the majority of the change was in the rear (wheel base has increased by 5mm on the S4). This was done to bring the riders neutral position more to the center of the bike. The main geo goal for this bike was to increase stack on the larger sizes, and shift the weight distribution more central. This was consistent rider feedback from the V1. Of interest, the -10mm dropout will give a similar weight distribution as the V1 - for riders that prefer that handling. When comparing geo, you can't really look at any single number in isolation. We encourage you to try and demo a bike to truly understand the fit and handling.

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Apologies for the copy/paste but this is relevant here too: It's worth looking at reach and stack together. Or looking at the front center to assess the size differences, and the wheelbase to see the overall size of the bike. Essentially the front end of this bike is a little shorter (5mm), while the majority of the change was in the rear. This was done to bring the riders neutral position more to the center of the bike. The main geo goal for this bike was to increase stack on the larger sizes, and shift the weight distribution more central. This was consistent rider feedback from the V1. Of interest, the -10mm dropout will give a similar weight distribution as the V1 - for riders that prefer that handling.

@alexsin: As we mentioned on another post, essentially the front end of the bike is a little shorter (5mm), while the majority of the change was in the rear. This was done to bring the riders neutral position more to the center of the bike. The main geo goal for this bike was to increase stack on the larger sizes, and shift the weight distribution more central. This was consistent rider feedback from the V1. Of interest, the -10mm dropout will give a similar weight distribution as the V1 - for riders that prefer that handling.

1/ Yes, as long as the axle to crown is under 593.7mm - a 190mm dual crown would work. 2/ The '0' or mid dropouts, which are the lengths stated in the geo chart, result in the same rear center for both wheel sizes. This is also true for the '+10' dropouts. The '-10' is only available for a 27.5" wheel. 3/ Technically, yes, but the BB would be too low to ride well.

Our first batch of bikes is in stock at select dealers around the world. The second batch is set to be assembled in Canada later this week. Hit up your local dealer for any ordering needs. If you don't have a local dealer, reach out to contact@forbiddenbike.com and we'll be able to sort out some purchasing options. Dealer finder is here: https://forbiddenbike.com/dealers/find-a-dealer/

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What a day!

Well, that was unreal... Amazing work by everyone involved, another masterpiece!