2023 Pinkbike Awards: Value Product of the Year Nominees

Dec 20, 2023
by Dario DiGiulio  
Here at Pinkbike we're lucky to spend time with some of the finest items a mountain biker could lust after, be it a $1,200 set of brakes, $15k ebikes, or even the "standard priced" $100 tires. It's a privilege to get to try such exotic items, but ultimately those high-dollar components and bikes probably aren't what we'd be purchasing if we were in the market ourselves - that's where the high-performance budget items come into play.

This category can range all over the map, but in the name of brevity we're condensing it to the best items we've tested and reviewed this calendar year with either a focus on being budget-friendly or simply posing a better value proposition than market competitors.







Why it's nominated

Though Henry wrote the official review of this lid, I've been using one for about a year now and loving the light weight, excellent breathability, and smartly-chosen features. For the price, you get all the bells and whistles you really need out of a trail helmet, with equivalent models costing nearly double the asking price. Lazer's Kineticore rotational protection is backed by some excellent Virginia Tech safety scores, and provides the added benefit of better breathability than Mips or similar systems.

Mine got the paint pen treatment, which is usually a great sign of how much I like something - in this case quite a bit. Lazer does make a higher-priced version of the Coyote, dubbed the Jackal, but side-by-side it's hard to see the latter as twice as good as the former - I'd probably stick with the more typical canid if given the choice.

From the Review:

bigquotesThe Lazer Coyote KinetiCore offers a strong blend of price, safety, comfort, and ventilation. Although the internal profile of the helmet might look slightly gimmicky, it really does deliver excellent ventilation. While I found a reasonably secure place for my glasses, I think that a lack of specific storage is my only real complaint and, although small, that would be my only criticism when it comes to riding in this good value proposition.” Henry Quinney







Why it's nominated

Shimano's latest swath of components are all focused on two things: smooth sifting and longevity. Though one could argue that any drivetrain is setting out to achieve these goals, the Linkglide series of cassettes and accompanying chain-moving devices are willing to sacrifice things like weight, speed, and overall range in service of making the most robust drivetrain possible. In his review of the Linkglide XT drivetrain, Henry found all these goals to be met, and luckily you don't even need to splurge for the top-tier gruppo to reap those benefits.

As the premier Linkglide package, the XT group retails for around $350 USD, but other selections from the Cues range can get you to a similar setup for around $200 USD. I'm currently testing a Cues U6000 drivetrain, and so far the performance has been quite similar to the XT group. The only thing that really feels cheap here is Shimano's marketing efforts around the release, as even we are having a hard time deciphering the compatibility charts and component families that live under the Cues banner. I'd happily pay about $10 more per derailleur to have a better sense of what's going on, but in this case the quality is worth the research work.

From the Review:

bigquotesFor riders who feel slightly disenchanted with groupsets running into thousands of dollars with gizmos and gadgets sprouting out in every avenue, Linkglide XT might just be the tonic. It's simple, effective and performs admirably. Henry Quinney







Why it's nominated

Aluminum wheels tend to get overlooked as upgrade items, with folks typically saving their milk money for carbon hoops, if possible. That doesn't mean there aren't excellent options in the alloy camp these days, with value beyond their simple performance and rugged durability. Positioned as a quality product with a robust guarantee, Santa Cruz's 30|HD AL wheels come with a lifetime warranty, DT Swiss 350 hubs, and the best-in-class Fillmore valves, all for $699 USD. Not necessarily cheap, but when you factor in the potentially infinite cycle of warranty replacement, the pot begins to sweeten.

In a head-to-head test with the similarly valued and warrantied Turbine wheels from Race Face, Mike came away impressed with both, but preferred the Reserves. They proved to be stiff, durable, and quiet over an extended test period, with the added assurance of replacement in the case of a ... case.

Having beaten the piss out of Mike's Reserve rear wheel during Crankworx - after destroying a similar Industry Nine offering in only a few days - I can add my two cents and give an additional vote of confidence.

From the Head-to-Head Review:


bigquotesIf I'd narrowed my list of options down to these two wheelsets which one would I choose? Personally, I'd go with the Reserves. They were quieter and had a reassuringly solid feel without being harsh; those traits combined with the reliability of the DT Swiss 350 hub, the added bonus of the Fillmore valve stems, and the lower price makes them my pick. Mike Kazimer







Why it's nominated

Brakes are one of those areas on the bike where being thrifty might not be the best idea, but that doesn't mean you need to break the bank to get something that'll slow you down safely on trail. Earlier this year I highlighted a dirt-cheap set of 4-piston brakes from Shimano, poetically dubbed the BR-MT420, heretofore referred to as just the 420s. These funny-looking stoppers are something of a sleeper, offering close to the same power as their XT/XTR rivals, at a fraction of the price. While they lack the Servo Wave linkage that gives most Shimano brakes their snappy feel, the more linear pull of the 420s has proven to be far more consistent than the now notorious wandering bite point of the fancier offerings.

If you can get past the long touring-style lever and the lumpy aesthetics, there's only one hurdle left to clear: the stock pads and rotors. These unfortunately come stock with resin-only variants of both, and I'd recommend swapping those out for metallic pads and burlier rotors to unlock the 420s full potential.

While the price was impressive at the time of review, you can now get these sleeper 4-pots for just $77 USD per side at some online retailers - and it wouldn't hurt to ask your local bike shop what it would cost to order a set through them.

From the Review:

bigquotesIt's been said before, but components like this really prove it: you don't need the most expensive kit to ride as well as you can. The BR-MT420 is one of the cheapest disc brakes Shimano makes, but performs nearly as well as the higher end 4-piston offerings in their catalog, even exceeding those models when it comes to long-term reliability. Aftermarket pads are a bit limited, but with a good sintered pad and a standard rotor you're good to go with a brake that offers solid power and consistent, easy-to-control lever feel. Dario DiGiulio










Why it's nominated

This is a $500 USD dropper post. Not cheap, not even mid-price in the scheme of things. However, if you're keen on a wireless dropper this is the cheapest option out there, and it's one of two that come in a 200mm travel variant. The price significantly undercuts Sram's AXS post, but the drop exceeds it, and functionally it's not too far off the mark.

No, you don't need a wireless post, but if you really really want one, then this is a solid option at a relatively affordable price. All in the name of installation ease and cockpit tidiness, I suppose.

My main gripe with the EPD01 doesn't come down to performance - it does everything you could want it to - but instead centers around the user interface when it comes time to update the firmware and change settings. Once you've come to terms with the fact that you're updating a seatpost, the procedure is a bit clunky and awkward, especially compared to the AXS alternative.

From the Review:

bigquotesFor riders dead set on a wireless dropper, the EDP01 could fit the bill. It's still more expensive (and heavier) than the sea of fully functional cable-actuated options out there, but it's also not as pricey as a RockShox Reverb AXS, and it's available with 200mm of drop. I am glad of its existence, mainly for the ease that I can install it when a review bike inevitably arrives with a dropper that's too short. That said, I'm not entirely convinced that needing to remember to charge a battery is worth the tradeoff for a cleaner-looking cockpit. Mike Kazimer





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134 Comments
  • 181 2
 It's almost 2024 and a Shimano 11-speed drivetrain has been nominated for three different Product of the Year categories. What a time to be alive.
  • 14 41
flag Ice-cz (Dec 20, 2023 at 9:06) (Below Threshold)
 there must be huge amount of money in advertising...
  • 48 5
 @Ice-cz: Nah its because 11 spd xt works and it works well. Anything else is just unneeded flair and complexity. Its fine if that's what you want but xt does the things.
  • 9 20
flag fr3d3ric (Dec 20, 2023 at 9:51) (Below Threshold)
 @cougar797: except for it does not. In my own experience with the Shimano XT Linkglide it lasted about three months—similar to the stock NX that came on the same bike. When I was putting on XT I was sold on low cost of component replacements and longevity. For me however replacing faulty derailleurs every three months even tho it is cheap is a no go
  • 12 3
 @fr3d3ric: Shimano's reliability is all over the charts. Some stuff is absolutely perfect - some is absolute garbage.
  • 1 0
 @scrawnydog: It was ever thus.
  • 13 21
flag DoubleCrownAddict (Dec 20, 2023 at 10:51) (Below Threshold)
 "What a time to be alive."
Lmfao, Shimano simply copies Sram's pull ratio 25 years later, finally makes a reliable cassette after 40 years, has a three year delay getting it to market, and Pinkbike writers think it's something special even though it's heavier, not that much more reliable, and can still be ripped off your bike with by a stick or broken chain.

From a drivetrain perspective it's a pathetic time to be alive and neither SRAM or Shimano deserve any accolades for recycling and re-marketing this garbage road bike technology over and over again.
  • 11 0
 @fr3d3ric: Yah mine last about 2 years at a go before I normally replace them. Two types of derailleurs dying in 3 months sounds like a setup or user issue. Seems to make more sense then screaming everything is junk when no one else has that issue.
  • 3 0
 @scrawnydog: could be the slave labor
  • 3 0
 Maybe it's proof we don't need more gears?
  • 1 0
 @chezotron: where do you live? In 2010? Come on, nobody wants low range and big steps between gears
  • 1 0
 My next build will have GX 11-speed mechanical. Prefer it over Eagle.
  • 140 1
 The sexual tension between pinkbike and linkglide is palpable
  • 12 0
 Nothing like getting cosy with a familiar but ex (11s) beau.
  • 11 0
 Downshift and chill
  • 13 0
 Pinkglide 'personal' products in 3...2...1....
  • 4 0
 DZ nuts comments incoming….
  • 4 0
 PinkGlide.....for when things get serious(ly obvious)!
  • 1 1
 Shimano is nominated often but Sram/RS will win each time. I have yet to find a bike journalist that says openly that Transmission is pointless and RS products are the same things released each year
  • 42 3
 I wonder if Shimano does anything differently in their Malaysia factory to make products so cheaply?
  • 6 0
 Too soon brother
  • 8 0
 @mkul7r4: It's never too soon for dark humor.
  • 22 2
 So, I gather you guys like Linkglide?

For the life of me I can't figure out why Shimano didn't put a charging port on the XT Di2 12spd derailleur and make it MTB (not just eMTB) compatible. The system uses the same wires as 12spd road Di2, so there's a compatible battery that already exists.
  • 19 16
 Shimano's approach to just about all of their drivetrain offerings is utterly baffling. To watch SRAM come up with AXS for years and years without answer is confusing - especially given Shimano's previous Di2/electrification efforts are so old now.

I've ridden both SRAM and Shimano drivetrains in recent form. At this stage, assuming you are interested in electric shifting controls, SRAM has it figured out. Shimano had kept some edge for a little while with the performance of HG+, but that advantage didn't last long.

If SRAM were to re-work their brake offering (which I think they'll do soon) to basically offer identical performance to Trickstuff, they'll really own the MTB market.
  • 12 19
flag Rigidjunkie (Dec 20, 2023 at 8:30) (Below Threshold)
 @KJP1230: You had me till you got to SRAM brakes. What planet does SRAM create a brake that actually stops a bike? To me Trickstuff and SRAM are the two ends of the brake spectrum. Trickstuff if you want power and SRAM if you want modulation.
  • 9 10
 @KJP1230: I would say shimano has QC sorted out a hella of lot better than sram. They do seem to move at a glacial pace but what they do release is generally better performing, cheaper and quality controlled compared to sram stuff. BTW I actually like sram stuff but you
  • 6 4
 @KJP1230: Because shimano havent worked out a way to make electric shifting work better than mechanical. It was easy for sram becuase their mechanical stuff is nothing like as good and everyone accepts that it will be at least 2 iterations before gets any product right.
  • 4 4
 @briain: That's the difference in owning your own factory vs. subcontracting your manufacturing to third parties. Ultimate endgame QC
  • 3 0
 @KJP1230: but have you tried 12spd Road Di2 which combines electric shifting and HG+, it's pretty phenomenal. With HG+ and Linkglide, you could essentially leave it to the consumer to pick whether they want silky smooth, fast shifting, or slower, but rock solid shifting (a la Transmission).
  • 11 0
 @Venturebikes: SRAM do have a big factory in Taiwan, looked like they own it to me. And wasn't it Shimano who just had a subcontractor accused of questionable labour practices?
  • 10 0
 @briain: "Shimano has QC sorted out"... the Elephant in the room is frowning at you because it can't ride it's bike due to a broken crank.
  • 1 0
 @Rigidjunkie: I have Trickstuff Maximas on my current bike. Trickstuffs are perfect - and I don't use that term lightly. They have perfect modulation (VERY light lever throw/action) and more power than I could ever possibly need.
  • 3 2
 @NoahColorado: I haven't tried Road Di2, but I do have electronic shifting + HG+ because my current enduro bike has a Sram AXS derailleur mated to a Shimano XT HG+ drivetrain. Works extremely well!

That said, as I understand it the new Sram Transmission shifts just as well under load. Meanwhile, Shimano does not have a modern Di2 system for 1x12, nor an answer for the mounting durability of the Transmission stuff. Bummer for Shimano.
  • 6 1
 Have you tried cables... no charging required...
  • 1 1
 @Rigidjunkie: @Rigidjunkie: I love my SRAM brakes that never ever lock up on my fatbike lol, best winter brakes ever
  • 2 0
 Just to be fair the XT DI2 derailleurs both 12 speed and 11-speed linkglide use the DI2 300 series wires (like 12 speed road) -
There is nothing stopping them from creating a battery / Bluetooth unit for pedal bikes and running a wire to the rear derailleur - We suspect it might be in development
\m/
  • 3 0
 @nzandyb: no company is perfect. But I've had maybe issues with 3 shimanos products in 20 years. I think it's easier to count the sram stuff that hasn't had problems. Reverbs are good as long as you rebuild them every year same with the brakes although the apex hydraulic brakes (level calipers were nightmares sticky pistons constantly and the piston in the lever got stuck because the seal swelled that there wasn't an easy way to fix. Every single sram shifter I've used has been constantly out of alignment I had gx 11 speed and xt 11 speed the gx was getting aligned every week and I didn't touch the xt the entire time I owned it about 14 months. The exception is my current gx axs
  • 1 0
 @briain: I've taken Eagle X01 off a bike and replaced it with XT. I currently have XT 11 speed on 3 bikes. AND my Ultegra cranks are totally fine on my gravel bike... I'm just being facetious because Shimano REALLY screwed a bunch of folks over with this crank debacle (not me fortunately).
  • 1 0
 @KJP1230: LOL. I was with you until the brake part.....similar performance to Trickstuff? from Sram? I just cant.......

I won't waste time on why SRAM can't and won't build Trickstuff level brakes, but I will address why their brakes are so bad while their drivetrains are so good......different engineering groups. Literally zero overlap between them. Drivetrain is homegrown while the brake side was aquired tech and "talent"(quotes on purpose) from Avid....there has never been any mixing and that is why the ethos of both departments are so different.

They should take a page from tech companies and hit the boggle button on both groups and mix them to bring the slow side up to speed. SRAM brakes will continue to be the dogs dinner until they realize that the baked in ethos of the old guard from the Avid days(who still f*cking work there, btw) rule the roost
  • 1 0
 @Mtbdialed: My only point is that SRAM brakes are the major weak point in their line up. And I say that as someone who has been 'ok' with Code RSCs (granted, with 200 + 220 mm rotors) because of the modulation.

That said, there is no inherent reason that bigger producers could not "knock off" Radic, Trickstuff, etc. Sure, the QC is going to be better on CNC'd parts. But 90%+ of the brake performance comes down to how you actually engineer the lever blade, leverage over the master cylinder, pistons, etc. My point is: why not study the actual performance characteristics of your high-end competitors who have gotten it SO right, and simply make a version that is much cheaper to manufacture?

Having Maximas now, they are amazing. Infinite power, fade-free performance, extremely light lever action with a very linear and controllable modulation.
  • 1 0
 @KJP1230: yeah, I got that, but the reason why they cannot do it is in my previous comment. You simply cannot tell an entire engineering team to toss out their culture in a single day, and come in with a blank slate. they are people....they have their preconceived ideas, grudges, friendships, opinions, etc....

SRAM as a corporation is making a major blunder in keeping both engineering depts. sandboxed in the way they are, so there is potentially a way out for them if they reverse course on that. You would start to see improvement in a few years if they did that.
  • 1 0
 @nzandyb: yeah I've seen the things online about the hollowtech cranks separating but I have gen 1 Hone(defunct groupset) hollowtech crankset and there still going strong nearly 20 years later and they've been on DH, dj and commuter bikes in all weather's without much love. So I do wonder did they change something in how they were bonded but Ive never had a set fail
  • 1 0
 @Mtbdialed: Fair. I don't know enough about the work culture at SRAM. That said, I cannot imagine the top brass would look at the absolute success of their suspension and drive train teams and continue to tolerate the marginal nonsense coming out of the brake team.

At the end of the day, SRAM brakes are largely under powered and its not very debatable. Plenty of reviewers have put them on actual dynos and tested the applied torque of various braking systems. SRAM brakes pretty regularly come in on the lower end in these tests - and while I absolutely appreciate modulation, truly - many of their more powerful rivals achieve similar or better modulation. These are engineered components which are, objectively, not as good as the non-shimano competition.
  • 1 0
 @KJP1230: let me give you an idea of why they don't care....

they make OEMs run their brakes if they want to get the best pricing on the drivetrain and sus. basically mandating you take the brakes to make a profitable bike with the drivetrains everyone wants. So they do it. then you get everyone selling the takeoff code/guides on here for 25% of what they are worth.

I can take a set of XTR off a bike and sell then in a day for $450 cash. a set of RSC? $250-275 and it takes weeks. the marketplace is really good at telling you what people want sometimes
  • 24 5
 I'd say ghe GCN+ subscription was a value product. Not much money, lots of worldcup action. Unfortunately being swapped for 2024.
  • 2 0
 I would completely agree, all the world cup action plus if you like road racing even a little bit it had also all the major races with excellent coverage and announcers sad to see it go.
  • 12 3
 The same coverage was free in 2022 though...
  • 1 1
 @sspiff: @sspiff: I could be wrong but I think they added a shit ton of road races in 2023 that is why they started to charge.
  • 1 0
 @Garantson: fair enough but for me $72 NZD for a year was a bargain, mountain, road, track and cx races for that was well worth the somewhat lacklustre presenters.
  • 1 0
 Yea I really enjoyed world champs….
  • 1 0
 R.i.p
  • 12 0
 Linkglide should just be the gear of the year. And spec’d on anything under 3k for next year. SRAM makes some decent products these days, but they’ve given up on mid-priced anything being any good.
  • 13 2
 Bike riders: how do you keep your prices so low on such an outstanding product, Shimano?

Shimano: Sorrry, but this interview is over.
  • 3 1
 If the Cues is $200 retail (quoted above), imagine how cheap it is for a product manager ordering 1,000+. That's why there is no marketing involved.
  • 8 0
 @Snowytrail: it was a joke about slave labor
  • 8 0
 Shimano M420 brakes are LEGIT.
Absolutely awesome power and none of that mostly-nonsense servo wave thing. Get the cheap Shimano pads that are available in boxes of 25 (yeah, seriously) and they cost about £2 each.
Never ever go wrong, rock solid consistency
  • 3 1
 While they do work, power is really lacking.
  • 1 0
 If you do big steep descents I'd look for more power, otherwise I'd agree with you they're perfectly adequate for most trail riding.
  • 5 0
 Big fan of my Lazer Coyote. It's light, airy, and I really like the Kineticore and lack of an additional MIPS liner. Can't for the life of me understand why the Jackal is double the price. Couple more vents I guess.
  • 1 0
 So is it as safe as MIPS? Is that what the V Tech safety scores mean? I like the price and the look
  • 6 0
 I get the feeling that there will be a lot of comments on the Shimano brakes that have nothing to do with value,
  • 22 0
 @reformedroadie

“Not all who wander are lost…”.

Lets see who bites on this…

I will see myself out now.
  • 11 2
 420. Nice.
  • 2 0
 I have the MT420s on my ebike. There's a set of Code RSCs to replace them in the garage but for now I'm running them until they truly disgust me, which is surprisingly seldom so far. But longer descents in the spring will change that, they don't hold up to that like codes/maguras, etc.
  • 4 0
 These ones dont have the wandering brake point. That doesn't show up until the higher end line
  • 1 0
 @Gristle: They are great for about three minutes. Then most chase them for a year then replace them totally.
  • 2 0
 @Lousicle: I have some on an Altitude and have loved them more than the Saints and Codes on my other bikes. Way more reliable. with Galfer green pads and rotors they are my favorite brakes I have ever had.
  • 1 1
 @marlon-d: stock they suck. Got them on my altitude. They are fine up to a point. But add steep and rain and hang on tight.

I have purchased a new rotor and metallic pads. Fingers crossed. Otherwise it will be a expensive upgrade.
  • 1 0
 @fabwizard: I swapped pads immediately when I got the bike so I can't speak on the stock pads.
  • 2 0
 @marlon-d: did you swap pads and rotors or just pads. I hear the resin only rotors squeel like crazy with metallic pads.
  • 5 1
 @fabwizard: I don't think you should use metallic pads with resin only rotors.
  • 3 0
 @Gristle: You do realize you're comparing one company's lowest end brake to the other's highest, right?
Doesn't that tell you something?
  • 2 0
 Disagreeing with warning to not use metallic pads with resin only rotors. Well, don't be surprised when you unexpectedly end up wrapped around a tree because your rotors warped or got smoked.
  • 2 0
 @FaahkEet: Don't think I've ever heard of resin-only rotors.
Who makes them and why?
  • 3 0
 @roxtar: Shimano makes them (RT56) and they come on low end bikes pretty frequently. The price difference to the RT66 which is resin/metallic pad compatible online is $2 so I really dont get why they would ever be specc'd.
  • 3 0
 @mtmc99: agreed they're utter shite.
  • 1 0
 @roxtar: I said I was surprised by them in a good way. But in the end they still kinda suck for big descents, inducing a lot of arm pump and loss of power. Base Codes do a better job than these in that regard, if you prefer a bit more even of a comparison. So to anyone in the market in this price range I'd pony up the extra 40ish bucks and get Code R or even better MT5s.
  • 1 0
 @FaahkEet: I did this with no problems, the metallic pads just grind down the rotor faster, but I was planning on replacing the rotor in any case.
  • 1 0
 @Aeyogi: some things can work until they catastrophically don't. I've heard of resin only rotors on a long fast descent warping enough with sintered pads that they jammed up in the front caliper. Didn't experience first hand so no idea if that's true, but brakes are the one area I won't risk mismatching parts that have labels to not mismatch.
  • 1 0
 @Aeyogi: of course the terrain one rides will determine the risk in the end.
  • 3 0
 Someone mentioned in the comments that rotors make as much of a difference as the brakes/pads/levers themselves. I installed some SM-RT77 rotors, and I have to agree. The ICE rotors are really good, almost regardless of pad compound (currently running some no name pads, and the bike stops on a dime, and has great modulation.)
  • 4 0
 Yeah, I paired my 420s with the RT-MT800 (ICE TECH FREEZA) rotors, and they're very impressive.
  • 7 1
 Brian Park wont allow you guys to choose anything but LinkGlide/CUES
  • 4 0
 I'm a big fan for sure.
  • 6 4
 You can't seriously submit a company for a value product when said company is being investigated for slave labor practices. I mean, I'm not naive. I know I walk around wearing clothing manufactured in third world countries made by the hands of oppressed and impoverished people. So I own my hypocrisy, but intentionally promoting a brand that was just exposed for slave labor tactics is just bad form.
  • 2 1
 I hope those reserves are *far* better than the raceface turbines. I have killed 3 of those rims already. Lifetime warranty sounds great, but not if you have to use them every other ride and it takes a month to get a replacement sorted.
  • 1 0
 Man, I really debated getting a set of these wheels over more expensive CF Nobls to replace my old, trashed wheels. I ended up going with the Nobls on a good sale and after having really good luck with their wheels before. Glad to hear I probably made the right choice long-term.
  • 6 1
 No bikes in Value Product of the Year category? Im not surprised…
  • 11 1
 That's a separate category - you'll see that later this week.
  • 4 0
 A "cheap" OEM wireless dropper that still costs more than an acceptable drivetrain. Not exactly the spirit of "value".
  • 2 0
 There are lever operated "wireless" droppers for under $100 if you want to go that way.
  • 1 0
 I guess there's been a change to the pads? Because I just installed a new set of BR-MT420 calipers, packaged with BL-M4100 levers, and the included pads are the metallic D02S.

Also, where are you buying Shimano brakes that they come "stock" with rotors? Those are always sold separately, as far as I've seen.
  • 2 0
 I think it's the people that bought full bike builds, that ended up with the "resin-only" rotors. From what I've seen, if you're buying the 420 brake sets, it's just brakes and pads (rotors separate).
  • 1 0
 @mammal: confirmed, came with bike
  • 2 1
 Kind of disappointing to see guys joking on "Labor /Malaysia" - this is purely allegations at this point - I think it is unfair to imply that is "business as usual" for Shimano - Its also very possible these are allegations floated by a competitor - This story has not gone through the confirmation research of modern consensus journalism and Shimano has not had a chance to give their side of this story
\m/
  • 1 0
 How does Linkglide cassette spacing compare to previous 11-speed spacing? Will an LG M8100 cassette (and chain, of course) play nice with an old M8000-series XT shifter and mech?
  • 1 0
 I can say there is no Linkglide 8100 cassette - The m8100 cassette is 12-speed -
There was a XT LG600 that was fairly heavy (with a steel carrier)
and currently Linkglide XT is borrowing a LG700 cassette 11-51t from the CUES line that has an alloy carrier
both 11-speed cassettes work fine with 11-speed chains and cranks
  • 1 0
 Linkglide cassettes uses a completely different gear pitch (spacing between the cog) than anything else Shimano has ever done. Since the cogs are wider and the spacing is different, Linkglide cassettes are only compatible with Linkglide shifters and derailleurs.
  • 1 0
 @recycledmountainracing-com: yes, LG700 was what I meant, not sure where M8100 got pasted in. I'm not concerned about chains and cranks, I always match chains and cassettes. Will the LG cassette spacing work with XT 11 shifter & mech is what I'm asking. Both are 11 cogs on HG driver, I was hoping they used the same on-center cog spacing, though now I'm thinking they probably widened to whole thing to better fit the thicker cogs...
  • 3 1
 How did Kona bikes 2 for 1 sale not make the list? I honestly cannot think of better value than a Process 153 for less than $2200CAD.
  • 4 0
 Meh, I've seen lots of sales on other bikes that have been close to or as good of a deal, especially when you look at the spec on those Konas compared to the original price. $5200 for NX and a Pike Select on an aluminum frame? Seriously?

Heck, I literally got a new 2023 Rocky Mountain at half price just last month, and didn't have to buy a second bike to get the deal. Same shop had a couple of Norco Sights with a 50% markdown as well.
  • 2 0
 A lot of people don't need or have space for 2 bikes
  • 1 0
 Explain this TransX EDP01 firmware update please. This is the first I have heard of that. There is no app, so curious how this could work. Also, internet searches find no mention of that, except here.
  • 3 4
 Can you call the least expensive option for a luxury goods (e-dropper) a "value option"? Especially if there is no performance benefit: it's not like the robot is any better at opening the valve. In a mech, it can be argued it's better at repeatedly exactly hitting the precise motion for an exact shift. But that's not needed for a dropper, it adds nothing of "value" to the proposition.
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 Having tried both wireless shifting and droppers, I'd say the dropper actuation is more of an improvement than shifting. I'll never have another cabled dropper again if I can help it, but I wouldn't be bothered at all to live with cable Shimano of any level for eternity.
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 Ease of install is value, plus less maintenance if you don't count charging as maintenance
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 @wburnes: Of course you count charging as maintenance! If you don't do it, the thing stops working.
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 Ah yes a $500 dropper that does the same thing as an $100 dropper. Great value
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 Works perfect with my titanium hardtail that doesn't have internal cable routing. Do you need a cavity filled?
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 Don’t want to take anything from the MT420’s value, but we feel servo-wave is pretty great - it’s Shimano XT for me
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 I love my MT200's. Work perfect for all regular trail riding, and only like $50.
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 I think there's a winner winner for sure... Shimano LG for most categories appearance award!!! It's defiantly a great group-set!
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 Solid list of good value products. Surprised the hunt trail wide wheels aren't on the list, but still good well rounded recommendations.
  • 3 1
 Those BR-MT420 brakes, with a good rotor like XT level, are great
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 Value product of the year = contradiction in terms (for the MTB industry)
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 Kona bikes current 2 for 1 Process sale would beg to differ...
  • 2 1
 Anyone actually use linkglide aside from Henry?
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 Gonna get some myself, just built up an HG wheel.
Just need to wear out my current Shimano stuff, which already lasts forever (as long as the cogs are all steel.)
  • 2 1
 Where are the Cane Creek eeWings
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 I run the 420's on my bikepacking rig, they work great.
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 I didn't vote for these. Did you?
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