CeramicSpeed Announces $669 OSPW X Upgrade for SRAM Transmission Derailleurs

Nov 30, 2023
by Jessie-May Morgan  
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Is it time to replace the pulley cage on your SRAM Transmission derailleur? If so, CeramicSpeed's OSPW X is a new (and very expensive) option, a $669 USD upgrade that claims to deliver increased drivetrain efficiency and improved durability, with a lifetime warranty to back that up.

Like the Danish brand's other OSPW (over-sized pulley wheel) systems, the OSPW X gets a larger lower pulley wheel, reducing the chain's angle of articulation as it enters the cage, thereby reducing overall friction. But, that's not CeramicSpeed's biggest claim, here. No, the main attraction of this cage upgrade is its lifetime warranty, made possible with the help of its "Active Debris Removal" (ADR) function.

Ceramic Speed OSPW X Details
• Oversized pulley wheel derailleur cage upgrade for SRAM Transmission
• Compatible with XX SL, XX, X0 & GX Eagle Transmission
• Upper Pulley Size: 14t
• Lower Pulley Size: 20t
• Active Debris Removal
• Alpha Disc Wheels
• Composite cage
• Fiber-reinforced composite pulley teeth
• Claimed weight: 110 grams
• Price: $669 USD / 579 €
• ceramicspeed.com
This is essentially a dust cover that encloses the stainless steel bearing and its aluminum housing with a "bladed groove cover" that sits over it. The latter is said to "dynamically extract debris from the pulley wheel while it’s rotating". Off-road partnerships manager at CeramicSpeed says "it basically keeps everything running super fast, forever".

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Senior product manager, Paul Sollenberger, explains in more detail, "ADR is composed of two main parts. On each face, there is a precisely shaped stainless steel shield that locates on the bearing inner race and does not rotate. The second part is a unique fiber-reinforced composite polyamide material, the same material as the tooth profile, that is molded as part of the alloy Alpha disc pulley itself. The material passes through ports in the alloy disc ensuring that it is fixed in place and will not rotate or come apart from the pulley. The directional bladed profile rotates with the pulley and is the 'active' portion of the patent-pending Active Debris Remover technology. The bearing is pressed into the alloy portion of the Alpha disc for a secure fitment".

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For sure, the engineers could have used a double-lipped contact seal to keep contaminants away from the bearing, but they weren't happy with the friction this would add. We are told the precision fit of the ADR interface adds zero drag to the bearing or pulley wheel.

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While the stock derailleur cage on all SRAM Transmission derailleurs has a 14t upper pulley and a 16t lower pulley, the CeramicSpeed OSPW X boasts a 14t/20t pairing. And, they're made of a fiber-reinforced composite, said to last longer than other composite pulley wheels, or aluminum versions.

The narrow-wide pulley teeth are co-molded with the two-piece aluminum discs that give the OSPW X its unique aesthetic. While the SRAM Transmission XX SL derailleur has a magic pulley that allows the teeth to continue rotating if a branch gets stuck in the wheel, the OSPW X has no need for anything of the sort. Given that the pulley wheels are gap-free, there's a greatly reduced chance of any wayward sticks causing a mechanical.

CeramicSpeed says the OSPW X requires minimal maintenance, perhaps only 2-3 times per year, dependent on riding habits. In the event of bearing function deterioration or the development of an issue that cannot be solved through basic maintenance (stripping, cleaning and re-assembling), CeramicSpeed will replace the pulleys. They also say that if anything happens to the cage while installed on the bike, it would also be covered for replacement.

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381 Comments
  • 456 3
 LOL
  • 14 1
 ah ah
  • 99 5
 april 1st on november 30th ... climate change and its terrible effects!
  • 87 1
 @naptime - Eh? $6.69 seems quite reasonable for that.
Wait... let me grab my glasses....
Oh....
  • 13 3
 a top kek for sure
  • 10 0
 What's the nice way to say "go pound sand"?
  • 2 0
 lol
  • 17 0
 this will go great with my 669usd foam grips that are specially engineered to grip to the cells in your skin using aerospace technology from nasa
  • 4 0
 I guess this is PinkBike's version of Black Friday, Cyber Monday, and Boxing Day sales all rolled into one! Get it fast while it's ceramically hot!!! Big Grin
  • 1 0
 6-69 LOL's
  • 2 0
 @bigtim: That's cost.
  • 3 0
 @CSharp: ^You forgot April fools
  • 1 0
 @p1nkbike: Yeah, but did you see the astronaut lose that toolbox? I heard it had those grips. Checking with NASA, they say that was a preproduction model sent out in error.
  • 3 0
 @bigtim: I'm cutting them some slack. I'm thinking only 1700% markup with 95% margins? Lol.
  • 1 0
 NO comment can be below the bar today here
  • 2 1
 @FatTonyNJ: Pinkbike confirmed this in their test and will receive a new version and report never> Smile
  • 8 0
 They only need to sell one unit to turn a profit lol
  • 1 0
 @rich-2000:
  • 3 0
 @p1nkbike: where can I buy those grips, I’m an orthodontist and have delicate hands that earn me a fortune each year so need to look after them, oh do you know if they come in red to match my Ferrari !
  • 2 0
 @mrfish: the only come in rainbow with bits of ceramic infused in the foam, so overtime, they'll look red anyway!
  • 195 2
 seriously, who buys such bullshit?
  • 123 1
 Roadies mainly.
  • 147 0
 Same people who buy $1000 speaker cables?
  • 62 0
 what gets me is that, if these thing where truly as benificial to performance.. (let alone nearly £$700's worth of performance)
Wouldn't sram an Shimano allready have a similar desighn on thier mechs............
  • 91 3
 This is the beauty of consumerism. There are like dozen of people, probably well educated, who dedicate their lives to make such useless sh*t just because there are people who will pay for it. It's hard to imagine the level of waste we are hitting here ...
  • 2 0
 LOL
  • 8 1
 @naptime: I suppose SRAM is constrained to producing a product at a price that isn’t absurd.

Not that I think this thing will realistically think this will add anything to performance in any meaningful way what so ever.
  • 28 8
 @naptime: I don't think it's necessarily true that SRAM and Shimano would have already done this if it was any good.

Big manufacturers are targeting a big audience. They have to consider that the visuals of a big pulley wheel may look off to some people - even if it's made of unicorn hair and weighs 1g this does look bigger and clunkier than the stock options.

They also have to hit certain price points for the whole package, and perhaps I'm being naively optimistic here but they may even have considered that a bigger pulley wheel will sit a bit closer to the rocks and roots that could damage it and decided the performance wasn't worth the risk.

This product is aimed at people who want the best performance, full stop. I have never tried and will never try it, so I can't say if it delivers on that, but that's clearly the aim.
  • 20 0
 meanwhile I "downgrade" to linkglide XT, which shifts beautiful, I have multiple thousands of dollars remaining for something else for the money all these tranmission ceramic shenanigans cost.. oh my
  • 8 6
 @n734535: how can you say it’s aimed at people who want the best performance - how can you be sure the original SRAM didn’t offer the best performance?
  • 4 0
 Has anyone ever seen one of these out in the wild?
  • 34 26
 @justanotherusername: if you want performance you shouldnt buy sram in the first place
  • 1 0
 @Trailsoup: that exists?
  • 29 1
 @Korbi777: Dont be jealous because you cant stand on your derailleur.
  • 23 2
 @justanotherusername: "I suppose SRAM is constrained to producing a product at a price that isn’t absurd."

Thank you. Spit out my coffee and now my keyboard is a total mess. Damn.
  • 5 0
 @Lagr1980: I see you too are a man of culture. Linkglide has been tremendously satisfying so far, I'm thinking I'm going to do some drivetrain swapping and move my XT HG+ drivetrain to my fatbike, so I can wear it out in the salty wetness of a chicago winter this season and standardize on linkglide across my trail, fat, commuter/utility bikes.
  • 3 2
 Same ones who think they're getting beneficial extra antioxidants from acai berries
  • 2 1
 @justanotherusername: As I said in my first comment, I have no idea about the actual performance. I am just saying that's the market segment it's aimed at.
  • 3 0
 @Trailsoup: Can't you hear the difference?
  • 3 2
 @Trailsoup: That's cheap for a speaker cable, check out the Nordost Odin 2 or Kimber Kable KS 6068...you are an order of magnitude out...
  • 2 0
 World Cup XC racers who don't even have to pay for it.
  • 1 0
 @mtb-daniel: hahah - fair point, but you can get some amazingly cheap SRAM cranks, rings etc.
  • 1 0
 aaaa
  • 1 0
 @justanotherusername: I'd think Ceramic Speed would test their product vs. Srams product
  • 2 0
 @cookiemonster615: yea sure, just like the other brands that sell this shite - it will give you 2w advantage, probably entirely due to the upgrade in bearing quality.
  • 5 0
 @Lagr1980: I mean, that's pretty cool if you're into half-measures. I got rid of my bike altogether, and walk everywhere, saving me even more money.
  • 1 0
 @bashhard m.youtube.com/watch?si=boueR4mTLmCbnw8I&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F&source_ve_path=MTY0OTksMjg2NjQsMTY0NTA2&feature=emb_share&v=9UZWfMgjqAs
  • 13 20
flag scrawnydog FL (Nov 30, 2023 at 6:50) (Below Threshold)
 @Korbi777: My LBS started a box of broken SRAM and SHIMANO parts and I can tell you with evidence the SHIMANO box has about 100% more broken shit in it than the SRAM one. And that's coming from a sample pool where most MTB's today come spec'd with SRAM. It's really not an opinion, SRAM shit is waaay better.
  • 4 1
 @Lagr1980: how do you like your linkglide XT set up? I've been considering doing the same as I haven't been impressed with any of these 12sp groups so far. The old Shimano XT 11sp was bullet proof.
  • 12 0
 I want an article and interviews about people who buy this...
  • 6 2
 @Korbi777: Tell me you haven't ridden T-Type drivetrain without telling me you haven't ridden a T-Type drivetrain.
  • 9 1
 Dumb customers. I had a guy buy a set of pulley wheels and install from me so that he'd be faster up the local climb. The next day he came back into the shop after riding them to boast about a 15 second pr on the 3 mile climb that the $700 pulley wheels definitely helped him achieve.
  • 4 0
 @jamesdad: $25,000 for speaker cables!?! Holy crap
  • 2 1
 @PaulMurden: Pretty popular in the triathlon world, which makes mtb look a cheap sport.
  • 11 4
 @scrawnydog: since a broken clutch is not replaceable with sram, most people ignore the fact that its not working. shimano hast everything as sparepaets, so when something breaks, you replace it. with the new transmission, every replacement part is more expensive than the whole shimano part. and on older sram there was no replacement. just trash and new. so ypu ride sram until nothing moves anymore, with shimano you replace the clutch for 8€.
  • 1 2
 @bmied31: the only benefit is you can stand on it. so why ride one. stam is scam, nothing more
  • 4 0
 I only know one person who bought these. He was a very competitive triathlete and knew nothing about bikes. LBS saw him coming every time LoL.
  • 1 2
 @bashhard : Same people who bought those cheap but overly priced SRAM drivetrains! Surprised Ceramic Speed didn't gold plate the pulleys. Makes the SRAM package look even cheaper! LOL
  • 1 0
 @Ebab: LOL, no dentists?
  • 1 3
 E-bikers
  • 4 0
 @antrunner: How much did you charge the guy for the labor for installation? LOL
  • 1 0
 same people who buy 6k gravel bikes Big Grin
  • 3 0
 @antrunner: Reminds me of the old Steve Martin comedy bit, "I'm on this new drug, it's called PLACEBO. You won't believe it."
  • 1 0
 @n734535: how are you claiming the best performance when you have no idea?
  • 1 1
 @Jblack89: does it? Because every triathlon bike I see looks cheap in comparison.
  • 3 0
 @jamesdad: holy shit, 13K!
  • 1 0
 @scrawnydog: that
  • 2 1
 @nickfranko: I think you should reread my first comment. I said the product is aimed at people who want the best performance. I did not say it delivers the best performance.
  • 2 0
 @justanotherusername: I think the 20t lower pulleywheel also contributes to the watts savings.
  • 2 1
 @Korbi777: If you pretend shifting under load and having a perfect shift every single time with little to no adjustment then sure...it being incredibly durable is the only benefit /s
  • 1 0
 it does look good though - definitely for those who run color schemes on their bikes
  • 1 0
 @matyk: shame boy... you came here to find recognition, correct?
  • 1 0
 @cookiemonster615: how many watts - one? two?
  • 1 1
 @RBalicious: shifts like butter, under all circumstances.. just need to make sure all is linkglide, cassette, chain and shifter.
  • 2 2
 @scrawnydog: How much further behind do Shimano need to fall before these delusional middle aged Shimano fanboys admit defeat? Shimano sell a fraction of what sram does and yet it fills your parts bin and mine?
  • 1 1
 Same can be said for those who buy 10k+ carbon bikes....
  • 1 0
 @naptime: what gets me is that they actually got this past the board of directors to even develop it, can’t see how they would ever sell enough to cover R&D alone !
  • 3 1
 @mrfish: What R&D? Hambini said the guy isn't even an engineer. Anyone can access CAD apps these days and it's free online. So, when someone buys one of these OSPW's, cha-ching!
  • 3 0
 @thenotoriousmic: What do you mean "Shimano sells a fraction of what SRAM does?" Shimano's 2022 sales were $3.2 billion USD. And that's cycling only, not including Shimano's considerable fishing business. During that same time, SRAM's 2022 sales were $725 million. That's not even a knock on SRAM, it's just a fact that Shimano is bigger and sells A LOT more product to cyclists than SRAM.
  • 2 4
 @CSharp: hambini is one to talk - looks quite likely he doesn’t have the PHD he claims, doesn’t have the patents he claims, hasn’t worked for the big companies he claims he has and in fact works at an engineering firm locally to him where he makes his bottom brackets with their equipment.

Stop believing the king of bullshit - he’s a snake oil salesman.
  • 2 0
 @justanotherusername: I'm not sure why you hate Hambini so much. I find his foul-mouth roasting on shitty and snake oil products very entertaining. Are you from Cervelo or AbsoluteBlack that's pissed off from what Hambini said? Did you create this webpage: https://www.hambini.cc/. Read the Disclaimer at the bottom of the page.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGoj4LXiWUw
  • 1 0
 @justanotherusername: What's not to like about this type of review, especially when this is as objective and scientific as it can be: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7iZVfSDbiA
  • 2 4
 @CSharp: you have fully swallowed the act haven’t you, Hambini great saviour of the bicycle buyer, oh and please buy the £300 bb that cost about £40 inc bearings he makes at his day job….

Full. Of. Shit.
  • 2 0
 @justanotherusername: LOL, I only buy the $25-$35 Shimano BB for my cheap mountain and road bikes. They just work! Big Grin Let's have a good laugh and show us your CeramicSpeed/AbsoluteBlack pulleys. I'm sure Hambini's gonna have another marshmallow roast! Chill out dude. Enjoy the show!
  • 1 0
 @fektor-b: Got one in the shop on Weds. Is that the wild?
  • 2 0
 @gbones: sure is. Does it look and feel pretty fancy?
  • 1 0
 @justanotherusername: I couldn’t tell you to be honest. Definitely more than zero though
  • 1 1
 @TEAM-ROBOT: Sram massively outsells Shimano where it’s relevant to us though in the mid to high end mountain bike market. Every regular bike in existence comes with Shimano OEM and that’s where Shimano makes the majority of their money, think how many bikes Walmart sold today alone and another 20% from fishing.
  • 2 0
 If you have some sort of sales numbers to back that up I'd love to see them, but that's just not what I'm seeing with my eyeballs. I see a lot of SRAM and a lot of Shimano on medium to high-end mountain bikes, such that I'd struggle to guess who's outselling who.
  • 1 0
 @font style="vertical-align: inherit;">font style="vertical-align: inherit;">ShredDoggg /font>/font>: yes, it's the real
  • 1 0
 @thenotoriousmic: You may be right, but why is that? Not because SRAM is better, it is just more flashy and gets along better with the $10k bike vibe. Wireless drivetrains for $2k which are cool, but not really worth such money. So yeah, SRAM is a great dentist drivetrain not doubts about it. On the other hand they make just ok suspension which is everywhere only because OEM deals they enforce, which I think is the only reason you see so much SRAM on bike. They make flashy drivetrains, ok suspension and bad brakes but sell them cheap in OEM packages. Shimanno cannot compete with this, maybe bacause they don't want to really.
  • 1 1
 @CSharp: just FYI, the founder of ceramicspeed worked with hybrid bearings at skf over 20years ago and his engineers now include folks from Bosch , SKF etc.

CeramicSpeed provides custom solutions for industry, sport and motorsports.
  • 1 0
 @mrfish: maybe its a flex for their industry customers?
  • 1 0
 @cookiemonster615: they do. They have spent more time and money on drivetrain efficiency testing than anyone focused on ROI would ever dream of.
  • 1 0
 @n734535: it’s noteworthy that CS’s customer list includes many of the top DH, Enduro, XC and Cross athletes in the world.
  • 1 0
 @mgarrigan: That's how money gets spread, eh? That's how Youtube usually work - spread the message around, you get endorsements! Maybe if these companies sweetened the pot for Hambini and not threaten to sue him, they're get a sweeter roasting.
  • 1 3
 @lkubica: Shimano can compete if they wanted, they could completely undercut sram in the oem market, like someone already said Shimano are worth five or six times as much as sram. They just don’t care about mountain biking anymore as it’s worth so little compared to what they make elsewhere. They don’t innovate anymore, they’re always late to the party with a substandard product and then look at their attitude towards e-bikes and bike technology, there’s money in that so they obviously care. They won’t even fix the things we’ve been complaining about now for over ten years mainly the poor brakes (random bite point / leaky pistons) and rear mechs that just fall to bits or the clutch fails.
  • 3 0
 @thenotoriousmic: I think you need to look up some figures.

The bike division of shimano is 4 x the size of its fishing division - it represents over 80% of total turnover - not sure how that's split between MTB and road as they are strong in the road sector but it will still be hugely significant and an absolutely massive and vital part of the company revenue.

Shimano have always been slower to 'innovate' compared to SRAM, its always been their way, to say they dont care about MTB though is just complete and utter bilge, total shit.
  • 1 0
 @justanotherusername: nope Shimano always came first and Sram followed up until the 1X era and Shimano haven’t really done much since not even a Saint rebrand and it’s only the MTB division that’s being neglected in General cycling, fishing, road and especially e-bikes they’re the same old Shimano, never late with a substandard product because they care unlike mountain bikes. Low end bicycles is where Shimano makes all its money, think how many bikes just one single Halfords / Walmart sold today. Every single one of those bikes had Shimano components. Now how many XT cranksets do you need to see before you start making that kind of money? Like I said if they cared they could easily wipe sram out of the mtb industry but obviously they don’t or they would have done.
  • 2 0
 @thenotoriousmic: You mean Shimano 'came first' when SRAM's budget and reach was nowhere near it is now - about 10 years ago?

Do you have any factual information to back up your opinion at all - myself and others have some facts, you seem to bring only your personal opinion which is worthless.

A statement for you from 2021:

"Shimano invented the concept of "system components," a set of bike parts such as gear shifters and brakes. This increased Shimano's global brand power, earning it the nickname "the Intel of bicycle components." Shimano now holds a global market share of about 80% for bicycle drivetrains: At this year's Tour de France, 17 of the 23 participating teams use Shimano's parts"

I am sure you aren't ready to let fact override your feelings on this one and will come back with 'yea but the remaining 20% are all the performance models' or some other such shit but the truth is there in black and white.

Shimano do care, shimano do sell and no shimano couldnt 'wipe out' sram if it wanted to do so with the flick of a pen.
  • 1 0
 @justanotherusername: lol, I can only assume you wasn’t riding ten years ago from that comment. Sram was still an evil faceless corporation then and many years before as well and I’m certainly not going to argue with someone who wasn’t even around in Shimano heyday but I do like a laugh so in your opinion you tell me why Shimano is neglecting their mtb division, doing the absolute minimum with substandard products and letting a company 1/5th of its size run away with the entire market?
  • 1 0
 @thenotoriousmic: 'Evil faceless corporation' - good god grow up.

Been riding for well over 20 years, sorry to burst that bubble - SRAM's turnover 10 years ago was half what it is now and its reach in the high end bike world much less.

Why are Shimano losing some of the market to SRAM? I don't know, SRAM are maybe more innovative, more likely to take risks, have targeted more specific areas of the market, are able to provide a full build kit to OEM inc forks, shock etc.

Who beat who to the e-bike market? - SRAM have used brose but Shimano have their own, do they not?

Is the position 'shimanoz downt care animore' as you say - absolutely not. Are they neglecting their MTB division - the 80% coverage of the market says not, regardless how you 'feel' because you have been a notorious bad mtb boy for long time.

Companies grow, companies fade, companies innovate, companies stagnate, companies move in all sorts of directions due to culture, strategy and expertise.
  • 2 0
 @justanotherusername: Shimano is losing some of the market to Sram because Sram makes objectively better products than Shimano in the drivetrain sector. I work at a bike shop and find that the higher end Shimano drivetrains are clunky and slow, and the lower end drivetrains are smooth yet still a little slow. The Sram drivetrains on the other hand are fast, significantly smoother, and quieter than all Shimano drivetrains regardless of if it's SX or XX1 AXS. Shimano still makes better brakes in my opinion (I live in an area where stopping power is more important than modulation), but their brakes are more expensive then Sram brakes (at least for the nice ones), so Shimano is probably losing some of the market to Sram there too.
  • 1 0
 The clunkiness of Shimano drivetrains is amplified on their 12 speed drivatrains and gets better as you go down to 11 speed, 10 speed, 9 speed, etc. I am only talking about mountain bike drivetrains by the way. Shimano road groupsets are fantastic and at a minimum comparable to the Sram road groupsets.
  • 1 0
 @cookiemonster615: Shimano brakes are more expensive than SRAM? Not in Europe, here, Shimano brakes are chaper and better.
As for the drivetrain, I will most probably go CUES 11 speed next. I understand that "high end" (i.e. pricey as f*ck) is better from SRAM, but what I (and most people really) need is a good value long lasting drivetrain. Being "slow" means nothing, we re not racing XC here. What I need is a cassette with good spacing, without aluminium cogs and for a reasonable price and rear mech with adjustable clutch, so I can make my bike quiet and minimize clutch influence on suspension. That's it. Nothing more.
  • 2 1
 @justanotherusername: it was a rhetorical question, i just wanted to laugh at your response and was not disappointed. I already told you why, it’s a deliberate decision. The company with five or six times the resources could outcompete sram if it wanted to.
  • 2 0
 @cookiemonster615: literally every bike that’s been sold in the last ten years are fully speced with Sram you have to go out of your way to find completes with Shimano components. The only reason is because sram offer better oem deals because shimano doesn’t really care anymore.
  • 1 0
 @thenotoriousmic: 'My feelings are betterer than your facts' - I absolutely know what Shimano is up to, I am notoriouuuuussss!
  • 1 0
 @lkubica: That CUES 11 speed is actually really nice, especially for its pricepoint. Only gotten to ride it once, but I would recommend it even just based off of my 5 minute ride on it. Definitely the best Shimano mtb drivetrain I've ridden. Decently fast shifting too. I do understand people's desire to have a longer lasting and more durable drivetrain, I'm just looking for that top tier performance that I'll only get from Sram.

Interesting that you guys have different pricing over in Europe as far as brakes go. Maybe Shimano sells more there so they can lower the prices and still get the same revenue.
  • 1 0
 @thenotoriousmic: 'Literally every bike'...... 'Shimano doesnt care anymoreeeez!'
  • 2 2
 @cookiemonster615: Shimano is found the bargain bin in the UK. You could easily get a set of XT brakes for less than it would cost you for one Code RSC. Chain reaction are currently selling 2 piston SLX for £30 in the current climate. Nobody’s going to pay sram prices for Shimano so the only way it’s getting sold if it’s heavily discounted.
  • 4 1
 @thenotoriousmic: This is total BS, even Deore level Shimano brake is better than anything below RSC from SRAM. I cannot imagine anyone buying aftermarket brake from SRAM which is not Code RSC. For any money, they just don't brake. Ah yes, they call it modulation, the biggest BS ever.
  • 3 2
 @lkubica: he’s full of absolute shite.
  • 1 3
 @justanotherusername: You got a thing for public humiliation? Well I’m more than happy to pull your pants down in public so everyone can laugh at you again. SLX brakes are currently at £30 on chain reaction,the much more popular Code R costs £110. To avoid any more humiliation I suggest to research the concept of supply and demand.
  • 1 1
 @lkubica: that’s just your opinion sram sells more brakes that every other manufacturer combined and the code r would be its best seller and despite that they’re still on par price wise with XT. It sells well and holds its value unlike most Shimano brakes which need huge discounts to get sold.
  • 1 0
 @thenotoriousmic: CRC is in administration you fool, they are selling almost everything off super cheap, the brake price holds no relevance to anything.

You really are completely full of shite.
  • 3 0
 @thenotoriousmic
@justanotherusername

Guys... regardless of who's right or wrong here.. it's time to step away from the keyboard and move on
  • 1 0
 @justanotherusername: that’s why I used chain reaction as an example, jeez you are stupid and that was not your task. You were supposed to learn about supply and demand and then apply what you’ve learnt to the two examples I’ve given you from the same store. The much more popular Code R which costs £110 and the SLX brake which costs £30. Good luck.
  • 2 0
 @n734535: I'm actually enjoying this. Very amusing
  • 1 0
 @cookiemonster615: agreed, it’s great fun.
  • 2 0
 @thenotoriousmic: I’m stupid for understanding that when a company is in administration it sells items at vastly reduced prices that hold no relevance to normal retail pricing and that CRC often get oem / grey import items allowing them lower sales pricing vs RRP?

Tell me you have no idea about retail and the bike industry without telling me you have no idea.

‘Me notorious, me feel, fact no good, me right, me a warlock’.
  • 1 1
 @justanotherusername: Yes that’s one of the many reasons why you’re stupid the other is because you’re clearly unable to follow simple instructions in order to complete basic tasks. The topic is supply and demand. You have 6 hours to show us what you’ve learnt.
  • 2 0
 @thenotoriousmic: my feeeeelings!
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 does this scam company really need so much coverage on PB?
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 Yea, it makes people comment which is all they care about because they can use it for engagement stats to sell to advertisers.
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flag scott-townes (Nov 30, 2023 at 3:29) (Below Threshold)
 Yes
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 The people who buy these products know exactly what they're buying, which is marginal gains. The pulleywheels don't do nearly as much as waxing your chain or getting the ceraimic bb, but if you've done both of those things and you still want a little more performance, this cage system is the next best move.
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 It's good comment section fodder.
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 @cookiemonster615: Marginal gains have to be measurable gains-as in you'd need to validate that you go any faster with this cage on than the OEM unit at the same power output. Pretty sure that there would not be a statistically significant increase in speed with this "upgrade" so no actual measurable marginal gain. Just like expensive speaker cables, or almost all bolt-on "high performance" car parts.
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 corporate welfare.
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 @cookiemonster615: yes. Roadies putting in big mile races seem to believe in these
  • 1 1
 @wyorider: If this Pulley Wheel, a waxed Chain and some more small performens Upgrades give you a improvment of 1 sec. for 100km of roadbiking and you are a Ultracycler then it will pay of till the end
  • 1 0
 @n734535: cs does deserve time here. Most of the top offroad athletes in the world use thier gear and no one here knows that Smile
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 @wyorider: you'd probably go fractions of a second faster with this cage. i'm not saying anyone should buy it, but if you've done all the other watt saving upgrades, then this is the next thing to get despite it's barely measurable impact. There's also going to be people who buy thus just because they want something new and/or unique.
  • 2 0
 @cookiemonster615: absolutely, and these folks already have a Ti king bottle cage and maybe some custom paint. No one needs to tell them about value.
  • 106 0
 anyone know if this is compatible with a single speed tensioner?
  • 32 0
 you are going places.
  • 6 1
 Only if you have rigid forks to match your steel hardtail frame
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 You'll need a bunch of these for the Haven Mercer's Automatic Transmission.
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 @CSharp: it'll only cost you around $6k then
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 I could buy like 2 bags of groceries with that money.
  • 11 0
 There's a cheaper supermarket than Aldi?! I only get one bag there
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 As a vegetarian, it's food for 2 days.
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 @fracasnoxteam: that's the stuff, what's wrong with meat anyway?
  • 2 0
 @fracasnoxteam: As a carnivore its food for an hour Wink
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 @mtbflow24: omnivore*
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 @fracasnoxteam: no no just carnivore!
Breakfast - Stake
11'zs - Stake
Lunch - Stake and beacon
Dinner - Stake, bacon and liver
Wink
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 @mtbflow24: that's a lot of wood to eat!
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 @mtbflow24:
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 @mtbflow24: ahahah best and only answer possible
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 "unique fiber-reinforced composite polyamide material" Mate, It's a glass or CF filled nylon. That material is available in filament form for 3D printing for about £50/kg at the low end. The brass neck of CeramicSpeed to charge £530 for a filled-nylon mech cage with a stainless steel bearing.

Look, I can see the benefits of some of the overpriced CeramicSpeed stuff in elite level road and track riding. However, in mountain biking, drivetrain friction and drag is nowhere near as significant a limiting factor to performance as it is in road/track bikes. Suspension kinematics, traction and other factors would be much more significant to mountain biking performance.

In terms of "Active Dirt Removal". Just wash your bike vaguely decently and use normal jockey wheels. Assuming £20 for a pair of SRAM jockey wheels, you could buy 26 sets for the price of 1 of these cages. Far be it from me to tell other people how to spend their money, but this just seems an outrageous price for a such minimal gain in performance.
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 Amen
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 "Look, I can see the benefits of some of the overpriced CeramicSpeed stuff in elite level road and track riding. However, in mountain biking, drivetrain friction and drag is nowhere near as significant a limiting factor to performance as it is in road/track bikes. Suspension kinematics, traction and other factors would be much more significant to mountain biking performance."

I agree that is not really something anyone should or could buy, full stop. But it is cool, unlike any other major motorsport, that the 1% of the 1% trick parts, is offered to the public.
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 I found an unsealed ceramic-bearing pulley wheel on Amazon once for ~$15 or so. It was great. Super low-drag, and to clean it you just took it off, hosed out the bearing, and put it back. Unfortunately it got bashed into a rock and bent the pulley wheel itself.
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 safe bet it's glass fiber, otherwise they would have thrown the word carbon in there for extra bs points!!
  • 2 0
 And it still needs servicing 2~3 times a year? I seem to service my stock jockey wheels close to once every never and they’re performing admirably
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 "CeramicSpeed says the OSPW X requires minimal maintenance, perhaps only 2-3 times per year"

I don't think I've maintained my current mech in 2-3 years, so this sounds like a lot of work
  • 3 0
 I clean my mech every three weeks during race season.
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 @cookiemonster615: Best get one of these then, will save you hours/lose you loads of dollars
  • 51 1
 I hate cheap products. Wish these cost atleast 999$
  • 9 0
 It’s like they aren’t even trying
  • 12 0
 would go so well with a 15k yeti ebike that only sees pavement
  • 6 0
 Absolute black enters the chat!
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 $10,035‬ to get Haven Mercer's auto-tranny to go with these pulleys.
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 They also have a 3D printed titanium version that costs $1800 i think.
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 @NoskillNotalent: titanium? who buys that crap, homeless people? rhodium or I'm not interested
  • 28 0
 Finally. Was waiting for this.
  • 1 0
 The people have spoken!
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 I'd be interested in an article on how much money you can throw on a bike and make f*ck all difference. This would surely be one of the parts on there.
  • 4 0
 You should take a look at their 3D printed titanium OSPW, at more than double the price of this one....
  • 22 0
 Absolute black will be upset they didn’t manage to get their bullshit version our to the market first.
  • 38 0
 they're too busy stalking hambini at the moment
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 @stephenzkie: Hambini is a total shithead too.
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 @justanotherusername: by calling out rubbish products? People get grumpy in cycling because brands charge so much for stuff and the quality is terrible.
  • 12 1
 @justanotherusername: He's a bit of a clown but IMHO he's a fantastic engineer and does a great job explaining exactly how some products are badly designed or manufactured. His delivery may not be everyone''s favorite but it's hard to argue with the content
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 @bluenext: he’s not a fantastic engineer he is a loudmouth shit who often declares product as being terrible when it is more than fit for purpose by applying aerospace level requirements - which bikes aren’t, most frames he ‘ribs’ work really well.

He then uses the loud mouth platform to sell horrendously overpriced bottom brackets and bearings -he’s a nasty piece of work hiding behind the character he has created, he happily went after a journalist once publicly questioning her fertility etc, lovely chap who gives f*ck all of substance back to the industry.
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flag justanotherusername (Nov 30, 2023 at 9:11) (Below Threshold)
 @HeatedRotor: how much do you think ‘aerospace standards’ cost? - your bike frame would triple in cost overnight.
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 @justanotherusername: To me, part of the reason he is so hard on some companies is that they are almost false advertising. Or claiming things with no data behind it. He also criticizes some frames for not being perfect, when they cost $4000-5000. For that cost, they should be.

His own products are expensive, but if you get one, you know it'll be nearly "perfect". And it seems like they are made in very small batches.
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flag justanotherusername (Nov 30, 2023 at 12:36) (Below Threshold)
 @Canadmos: Perfect according to him? Its easy to be a very loud mouthed, pretty repulsive reviewer of other peoples work when you don't have any real skin in the game and you can hide behind the 'in the aerospace, moneys no object industry blaaa blaa' viewpoint.

It would be great to see a Hambini made frame, at a cost comparable to others (come on, there aren't many $5000 frames he as reviewed) then we can see what true perfection is, pretty much the whole bike industry fails in this guys eyes - but the truth is it would be 3x the cost as it would take 3x the time to produce and the reality is it wouldn't ride any better, it just wouldn't.

The stuff he makes is a piece of piss to be 'perfect' - its a tube made on a lathe with a bearing pressed in, whoopie do.
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 @Canadmos: it isn't that hard to get a bottom bracket to a proper sizing. just ream it to size. winspace makes a near-perfect frame in hambinis opinion and its only $1500.
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 @stephenzkie: Can't wait until the Hambini Roast comes out...

The older $800 model is hear: Unicorn Guano
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 @CSharp: thats just about the aerodynamics
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 @justanotherusername: as someone who works in aerospace and sees the massive costs and how long everything takes you are correct, its completely unrealistic to have aerospace tolerances without hugely increasing costs. Having said that , I also don't think its too much to ask that a frame at least has a bb shell that is aligned and the correct size , especilay at the price points some frames are these days
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 @justanotherusername: if you are paying more than 10k for a bike is it unreasonable to expect the bottom bracket to at least be round?

to be fair we are lucky we even have people like him calling out brands on their BS instead of pretentious reviewers who bootlicks brands for money
  • 2 0
 @FoxRedLabs: this, exactly, is it too much to ask nowadays to have a bike that's within spec
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 I´ll be repurposing my Park tool PZT-2 Pizza Cutter Tool to fit my brand spanking new transmission deraileur for a fraction of that cost.

Follow me for more hacks.
  • 6 0
 So you saying there’s a new pizza cutter
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 Can you get a Ceramic Speed pulley retrofit for it?
  • 2 0
 @thustlewhumber: It will cut your pizza 1% faster
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 @BillT999: it will save me 0.01 Watts.
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 @thustlewhumber: Fingers crossed! My CFO and I are on a conference call with CeramicSpeed verifying the transaction details.
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 @BillT999: How do you not click buy now
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 @mr-fabio: Do you even GAINS bro
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 Niiiiiiccee, I thought a $1000 derailleur would already have the best cage/pulley design but I guess the decades of engineering knowledge of Sram are not enough to decide what works best for their own sh1t.

Ceramic speed is litteraly a metastasis in the bike industry. They are selling dreams since their beginning.

The cage/pulley looks injection molded and this is an inexpensive process no matter what the composite is. OneUp had the v1 dropper lever in the same kind of material and it was cheap.

The brainless sheeps who will buy these at $600 are getting fist f*cked HARD.
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 Looks like compression moulded carbon fibre. Cheap. Plastic jockey wheels, cheap, bearings not to sure but probably not expensive. Yup nothing about this adds up to over $600.
  • 1 1
 @darkstar66: I mean if you asked me to build you a deurailler cage, I'd need more than $600 available on a credit card.
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 @itslightoutandawaywego: lucky for me I'm not asking. But seriously I bet you could
  • 12 0
 Why does this need it's own article? Can't this go in a weekly write up of B.S. no one needs or will buy? Can we get an in depth look at products that are actually useful and relevant?

Thanks!
  • 9 0
 Make it part of Friday Fails
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 I’m with you… but stuff like this is great fodder for the PB comments section. Definitely got what I came for on this one.
  • 3 2
 Do you know how paid adverts work?
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 You need to take a picture of someone standing on it. How else do we know if derailleurs are good anymore?
  • 12 1
 It is a scam, not a legit business. Need to understand the concept, stuff they are selling and its actual value.
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 Pinkbike, we need a “The Most Expensive Mountain Bike” project where you build literally THE most expensive thing possible. Somebody make a spec list. Start with an Sworks Levo frame and add the E-Eewings and take it from there
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 That would be fun, although I think it was already done a couple of years ago.
But that frame you propose is not the most expensive at all.
The Eewings were the most expensive cranks a few years back but now there are other brands above. Sturdy Cycles, for instance, have a 3D printed titanium crankset for over £1K. They look better than the eewings, and after more than a year with them, no scratches on them.
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 Except mopeds aren't mountain bikes, so no point in the motor.
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flag HeatedRotor FL (Nov 30, 2023 at 8:57) (Below Threshold)
 @JSTootell: Wheres the moped? Electric MTB's arnt mopeds, if you still want to whinge about it... well clearly they are living rent free in your head from jelousy or you purely cant afford one
  • 2 1
 @Bitelio: this is exactly why we need this important project. All the dentists out here spending less than they could on the wrong parts.
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 @JSTootell: tell us more
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 @HeatedRotor: "Electric mo(torized) ped(al) bikes aren't mopeds..."
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 @jakalwil: your leaving out one key detail, all Mopeds are now throttled. Emtb's are not. You must put in some effort to activate the ebike, vs zero for the moped.

Modern mopeds are just smaller/lessend scooters.

That argument is rubbish and you know it.
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 @HeatedRotor: they’re mopeds dude.
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 @HeatedRotor: If my Honda motorcycle requires my human wrist to twist the plastic tube that pulls the throttle cable to make the thing go...... is that human powered too?
  • 1 0
 @fattyheadshok: OK jelly - if you cant handle others having more fun than you, just say so... oh wait you are syaing that.
  • 1 0
 @hotpotato: turning the grip isnt turning your effort into forward drive.
Pedalling in someway is contributing to the going forward momentum
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 @HeatedRotor: y'all need to update your arguments. The "your just jealous" is stale.

Almost as if, maybe eBikes aren't much money for those of us who value hard work.

Speaking of, just clocked back in. Spent the morning in another flight lesson. Fun way to spend $170 an hour.
  • 9 1
 I just installed a 50€ 12 speed SLX on my bike , works perfectly and dead silent. Now I am thinking how many beers I can have with the money I saved
  • 1 0
 and just think that if you ever happen to take out that SLX derailleur (like I did with mine when a big stick nailed it this fall), that you're only out 50 instead of hundreds upon hundreds if you had this thing and a sram drivetrain.
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 When tour deraileur goes to shit (if it eventually does) you can turn it into a bottle opener and save even more money
  • 7 0
 Over the past 35 years of mountain biking, I have never questioned the performance/reliability of my XT/XTR derailleurs... Any performance gains can be realized by just taking a pee or dump before your ride... LOLz
  • 2 0
 No shit! Is that why there's a sticky outhouse in every trailhead parking lot in southern Alberta? I gotta learn to take the load off early in the ride! Wink
  • 5 0
 There’s a new upgrade available for the Pinion Gearbox … oh wait, it doesn’t need an upgrade Wink

Seriously, $700 to upgrade something that’s already expensive, was just released, and is a poor substitute for a real “transmission”?

Come on …
  • 6 0
 Pulley wheel friction, the one thing stopping me from my local KOM at Green Mountain. Now that I've figured out what's holding me back I can go finish off this leftover cheesecake with a nice scotch.
  • 7 2
 At £500 (postage included), I could make jokes on anybody considering getting one of these.

Then I remember the Garbaruk cage with Dward titanium pulleys in my AXS derailleur and shut the f*ck up.
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 These are the moments I'm simply embarrassed to be associated with this type of insanity.
  • 4 0
 Actually saw someone with one of Ceramicspeed's oversized pullies at a local bike shop. (Don't ask me which model, do I look like I know?). Guy who owns it, according to the shop owner, is a retired gentlemen, has custom painted bikes throughout his fleet and ride 4 days a week, is at a stage of his life where money isn't a problem and just wants to focus on his only hobby - bikes. Same guy also brought custom carbon fiber molded fox suspension top caps and dials. Yeah, the ones you have screwed on to the top of your fork stanchions that are probably aluminum. Was talking with the shop guys after he dropped them off to be fitted to his xc bike, and they were about 5 grams difference - 8 grams for his carbon one vs 13 grams for the stock aluminum one (iirc, this was a couple months back). So yes, there are people buying it, just not you or me though
  • 5 3
 Once upon a time. Start with that.
  • 5 0
 @Intense4life: having lived in Silicon Valley there are a surprising number of those people
  • 4 1
 @xciscool: and honestly it's fine. Products exist for a reason, even if the mass majority of pinkbike commenters don't like it. There's plenty of people that have enough money to spend $669 like how I spend $6.69.
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 @xciscool: everytime I read the words Silicon Valley I envision bunnies on the beach…..Just sayin.
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 @amaranth: That is a beautifully thought out response. I'm adding this to my list.
  • 1 0
 @amaranth: We were at a town christmas tree lighting with the kids. my 12 year old points to a kid in an F1 ugly sweater. Dad that's so and so. His dad owns a race team and his grandfather owns 3 car dealerships. I ask is that the kid I saw get dropped off at school in a Lambo? Yes.

Sorry to say folks life isn't fair. And this is why I pedal.
  • 7 0
 Do you think this will fit on my beat Advent X derailleur?
  • 6 0
 Hambini...I'll just leave that there
  • 1 0
 First thing that came to mind. Thepenisworking
  • 1 0
 "keep banging your haiedresser " haha
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 CeramicSpeed has train companys as customers… ill just leave that there Smile
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 I'm just going to make my £600 mech even more expensive to replace when I ping it off a rock.

On a more serious note, are the bearings any better than the shite sram use?
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 Just ordered two...never leave home without a spare.
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 "...While the SRAM Transmission XX SL derailleur has a magic pulley that allows the teeth to continue rotating if a branch gets stuck in the wheel, the OSPW X has no need for anything of the sort."

So explain to me this.....the SRAM Transmission already addresses the debris issue...but one of the selling features of this $669 upgrade is that it'll accomplish the exact same thing the part you are replacing already does?
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 “Since the clutch’s spring is now fully captured on the cage, I asked SRAM how long they thought it’d be before we saw aftermarket options with oversize pulleys and SRAM responded, “Good luck with that.”“ Bike Rumor article March 21, 2023
  • 2 0
 "Hold my ______"
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 @itslightoutandawaywego: its usually a Tuborg in Denmark
  • 5 3
 This stick in my derailer pulley BS only came round after the the launch vid of Transmission. I have yet to ever experience that and not even heard of someone experiencing even close to it.
  • 2 0
 stick in pulleys is a problem but somehow stick on wheels isn't
  • 1 0
 I've gotten a stick stuck between my spokes and cassette numerous times. I wonder when Sram will make something for that.
  • 6 0
 @cookiemonster615: They've got that, the clear spoke protector we all throw away!
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 @cookiemonster615: gross
  • 2 0
 @two2pedal: Back in the day i had a full wheel disk with the acid house smiley face on it, time for an enduro revival?
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 @stephenzkie: Totally!
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 @two2pedal: I know that lol. Sram would say it's some new innovation or something
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 @pbuser2299: there has been an acid house revival, so I think its fitting.
  • 1 0
 Sticks can manage to get stuck just about anywhere from time to time. Actually had one wedged in my chain and a little twig coming off it wedge itself in between my jockey wheels. Just had to stop and take it out though. Never felt like I needed to spend nearly $700 on a plastic cage and weird looking jockey wheels. Full disclosure I do use Hope aluminum jockeys on my bikes and have a garabuk cassette cage and jockey wheels on my son’s HT. Still doesn’t add up to the cost of this piece of BS from CS though.
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 @fattyheadshok: weird. I read this in Morgan Freeman’s voice and it just came to life.
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 @Intense4life: Counterpoint. I read that in Richard Hammond's voice.
  • 5 0
 Well, it'll be nice to always have a pizza cutter along for the ride
  • 3 0
 If I spend 30 minutes each week cleaning debris off the pulley wheel and I value myself at $50/hr, then in only 27 weeks, this will have paid for itself.
  • 1 0
 Ignoring all the other cringe worthy aspects of this product launch for the time being I'd like to point out that while "the precision fit of the ADR interface adds zero drag to the bearing or pulley wheel" it still must add drag to the system elsewhere.
  • 5 1
 Go watch hambini on YouTube. This is a scam company… m.youtube.com/watch?v=6ALlHl2O3-M
  • 2 0
 That was a company called AbsoluteBlack - is that similar to what CeramicSpeed is selling?
  • 4 1
 they are right up there with absolutecrap.
  • 1 1
 @HeatedRotor: "absolutecrap" LOOL
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 @n734535: @csharp, with a little digging you will find absolute black and cs are very different companys…
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 @mgarrigan: Yes, I did some googling and found out both are pretty much different companies selling the same shit to rich dumbass people (picture this with the Scotty Kilmer jackass laugh) Big Grin
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 @CSharp: CS sells to train companies.
Pretty sure the founder has never heard of hambini
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 The main attraction is the warranty and the article mostly talks about something I do with a twig (scraping mud off or SMO).

Stupid old corporate f*cks and their greed. Your engineers can't even get past more marketing bs to explain it. Because it's a sham.

And I've never had an entire BRANCH in my wheel. Maybe a small stick every couple years. Literally making shit up to "add value".
  • 2 0
 Someone should perform a test to see how many seconds are saved with the xx1 transmission and this pulley cage compared to a full deore 12 speed drivetrain on 1 lap of an xc world cup course.
  • 2 1
 A product like this is probably mostly for endurance racing, like cross country and gravel biking with shit weather. Maybe inspired by someone that was at gravel unbound most recent race where they had to walk their bikes at mile 11.
  • 1 0
 the real metric here is what percentage of bikes this part ends up on get ridden more than 1-2x per year, including the test to see if the new cage is installed correctlySmile

Good job PB you posted clickbait in a sneaky fashion!
  • 1 0
 I wonder, if Hambini reviews this product and gives it the reaming that he gave the bad engineering of the AbsoluteBlack cage, will Ceramic Speed turn around and follow Hambini and family around taking photos of them, including of his 5 year old riding her bicycle, in an attempt to intimidate him ?

youtu.be/JGoj4LXiWUw?si=0Pe4CZq-nlXlL1QR
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 When the upgrade costs more than the original part.
  • 4 0
 Plastic cage. Cool. You're not standing on that MF.
  • 3 1
 Nobody stood the cages when Transmission first came out. The cages would fold/snap if you did that lol
  • 3 1
 You've all said everything that needs saying, I'm still totally distressed by these absurdities. 2&3X XT/XTR still rules.
  • 6 3
 All the hate for this is hilarious. It looks sick and will make some wealthy XC racer very happy.
  • 2 0
 Innovation takes many forms, if you're not applauding it, please feel free to board your 1984 full rigid, cantilever bike with 1.85tires at whistler.....
  • 1 0
 I wonder how their revolutionary "Driven" drivetrain is coming along. I recall that it was funded by some sort of crowdfunding investment scenario as it was so good ceramicspeed did not want to put their own mony into it.
  • 1 0
 I've often wondered the same thing...
  • 1 0
 Thank you, CeramicSpeed! Now, 600$ for a gravity bong seems perfectly reasonable and is an even lower price than these two ceramic wheels on a frame! -> stundenglass.com
  • 1 0
 @n734535:
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 Step 1. Fnd a Fidget Spinner design.
Step 2. Find some of that reflective lure adhesive film
Step 3. 3d Print with Tensioner teeth
Step 4. Add ahesive film.
Step 5. Sell on the internet for $699 p/u!
  • 1 0
 The real question here; can I crunch it and get a new one for free? Cause if that’s true then with a bike shop discount it could maybe possibly be worth it
  • 1 0
 @n734535: yes, you can. The warranty states that if it gets smashed while on a bike they will replace.
  • 4 0
 Can i still stand on it?
  • 2 0
 You couldn't stand on the cages before, so probably a no.
  • 2 0
 You can do anything. Once.
  • 2 0
 The guys that buy these also need ramps to get their bikes on the racks on their luxury SUVs.
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 To me, this is like fancy jewelry (or any other luxury good). Do you need it? No. But, people with loads of money want to spend it on what they think is cool, so these types of things will exist. Frankly, I'm surprised we don't see more of this in the cycling industry considering how many wealthy people are into this sport. As dumb as it may be, I'd rather a company like this get a rich person's money than some tacky luxury brand.
  • 3 0
 Nope won’t be better than the cascade Componants cage
  • 1 0
 right at least cascade went one step further to make the entire derailleur "able to be stood on"
  • 1 0
 This reminds me of a quote from Field of Dreams, staring an actor with Limitless range, who is none other than the great Kevin Costner.
"If you build it, they will come".
  • 1 0
 i'm waiting for ceramic speed or kogel to come out with a $800 high pivot idler pulley just so i can read the comments on pinkbike
  • 2 0
 You just gave them the idea. Why!
  • 1 0
 They are trying to bring the road bike ones to MTB. Good luck with that.

The road bike ones that I saw were going from $50 to $475.
  • 1 0
 when your bike is 15 thousand US dollars what's another 5K for decorative bits. This unit is lust worthy to all the dentists out there.
  • 1 0
 "OSPW X requires minimal maintenance, perhaps only 2-3 times per year" but that is like 200-300% more maintenance per year vs. pretending your pullies maintain themselves
  • 2 0
 Wait till the Dangerholm Limited Edition drops.
  • 2 0
 Going to have to schedule two root canals for next week
  • 1 0
 I've never really understood how these companies make any money from these useless upgrades...I guess someone must buy them.
  • 1 0
 $670 for an add-on derailleur upgrade of a couple wheels and carbon support frame, what a time to be alive!
  • 3 0
 Pizza cutter!
  • 1 0
 mostly injection moulded parts, I'd be absolutely shocked if this costs them more than $100 to make. Great profit margins.
  • 1 0
 I love these articles. they make me feel WAY better about $100 tires and $35 brake pads.
  • 2 0
 TruckerCo pads will save a few dollars.
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 @JSTootell:
Thanks. I'll check email out!
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 People calling this a scam is the most hilarious thing. People who buy this know exactly what they're buying. No one is being scammed. Everyone recognizes that this does less for performance than laying off the Twix bars.
  • 1 0
 I am waiting for Louis Vuitton version for 2000€. I will not buy this cheap one.
  • 1 0
 This is exactly the upgrade I need for the E-Enduro series, got to find those little extra gains somewhere!
  • 1 0
 Going to need that lifetime warranty, thing hangs down like a training wheel!
  • 3 0
 GO AWAY!
  • 1 0
 They give the product away...its the extended warranty were they really soak you.
  • 1 0
 Definitely worth consideration if you half the price and half it again and then half it again and then half it 2 more times.
  • 1 0
 you know...if you really need to just get rid of $669 dollars.....I'm happy to take it off your hands.
  • 1 0
 I'm sure the lowered friction on the bearings would do wonders after my whole chain is caked with inch thick mud...
  • 1 0
 This for 169.00 usd and maybe I'd consider....669.00 ur on drugs! Sram XXSL replacement cage cost 200.00, 164g
  • 1 0
 Does this make it faster to change out the rear wheel when you get a flat?
If it does then Pidcock might want one.
  • 1 0
 Amazing product: simply adding it to cart on their website got me 72 DH KOMs.
  • 2 0
 $666 MSRP would make more sense. Wink
  • 1 0
 I may have to get three of these to go with my three Transmissions just to achieve peak obnoxious level. LOL
  • 1 0
 For that price it should come in varying array of colours. I would take black. LOL
  • 1 0
 Waiting for the ali express version that will be just as good for 1/100 the price
  • 1 0
 For a $700 pizza cutter slapped on to your derailleur.
  • 1 0
 Come on guys. Just a piece of plastic. Something is wrong with this world.
  • 1 0
 You can buy a Fox 38 for that much!
  • 2 0
 Look at the size of it!
  • 2 0
 Hahahaha.
  • 1 0
 Imagine the pain as you rip it off on a rock...
  • 2 0
 I'll take two please.
  • 1 0
 Will this make me ride like Jack Piercy?
  • 5 4
 given how many derailleurs mountainbikers go through in a season why tho
  • 12 1
 What the heck are you doing wrong bro?
  • 2 1
 @cookiemonster615: hahahahaha. Seriously.
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 @cookiemonster615: if he's anything like me, tearing them off on logs and rocks while bounding through unofficial trails at yeehaw speed. My record was 4 in a year (Box warrantied them for crash replacement, the fools!) before I said fk it and got a Pinion bike.
  • 2 0
 I have broken 1 derailleur (that I can think of) in over 5 years. That was an AXS that just quit shifting, for no obvious reason.
  • 1 0
 Downvoted by people who "mountain bike" on trails wide enough that they never clip a derailleur or handlebar......and might buy this product.
  • 1 0
 @wyorider: or people who know how to maneuver there bikes properly through tight sections.
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 @cookiemonster615: 'properly' sounds like a ton of fun. Slow n' steady wins the race, eh bud?
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 @CarbonShmarbon: not eating it wins the race. Your skill level determines the speed at which you should move through a tighter section.
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 @cookiemonster615: if you ride multipe times a week on trails with ruts that run knee deep shit happens
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 @stephenzkie: What on earth happened to that trail? Does it rain a lot where you live?
  • 1 0
 @cookiemonster615: well yeah, gotta love living in the tropics
  • 1 0
 Pfffffft............ make it $1000 and maybe I'd be interested!
  • 1 1
 I don't know about "Active Debris Removal" but chain waxing does the same thing for about $30
  • 1 0
 I'll wait for the $400 Chinese Rip - off on Amazon.
  • 2 0
 Rhymes with Jet Bucked.
  • 1 0
 "Pay us $670 for worse shifting"
  • 1 0
 Expensive double ended pizza cutter
  • 1 0
 This is the NFT of bicycle parts.
  • 1 0
 Plastic with stainless bearings? Where's the, uh, ceramic part?
  • 1 0
 How many watts and grams to save? ...disappointed they dont claim that!
  • 1 0
 But does it fit the 1000$ axs xx1 Derailleur ?? Hmmm
  • 1 0
 Welp....there goes my drugs and prostitutes money.
  • 1 0
 Exclusively made for the frivolous shopper.
  • 1 0
 But you can't put a stick through these pulleys!
  • 1 0
 I just saw ceramic bearing pullies on Amazon for 9.99 CAD a pop
  • 1 0
 Oof. Tough crowd in this economy CeramicSpeed.
  • 1 0
 No way there's enough popcorn for this comment thread
  • 1 0
 Have two microwaves going! Smile
  • 2 0
 WTF??? Facepalm
  • 1 0
 why! the jockey wheels should be way bigger then this.
  • 1 0
 even roadies know these are a con
  • 1 0
 Ever part costs like a complete bicycle should cost.
  • 2 0
 Who buys this shit?
  • 1 0
 That thing looks and is roughly the same size as a pizza cutter.
  • 1 0
 When was the last time you maintained your pulley?
  • 2 0
 I bought 7
  • 1 0
 Is there a way I can put 2 on?
  • 1 0
 The alpha pulley, ha
  • 1 0
 / Facepalm
  • 1 0
 Foxtrot Oscar
  • 2 1
 Kudos to CS
  • 1 1
 2-3cm more and these derailleurs will dragon the dirt while you riding
  • 1 0
 Cool lyric.
  • 1 2
 Soon to be seen on all the whales, influencer, and professional bumblers bikes everywhere.
  • 2 0
 For some reason, YouTube wants to recommend me watch the videos of said offended YouTubers
  • 1 0
 Stocking stuffer?
  • 1 0
 Oh yes please...
  • 1 0
 Wait... for HOW MUCH??
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