PINKBIKE FIELD TEST REVIEW
Commencal Meta SX
Words by Henry Quinney; photography by Tom RichardsThe Commencal Meta is one of the tried-and-true lineages of bikes. Although, for some reason it doesn't have the same brand-power as something such as the Enduro, the Genius or even the Trance, perhaps it should. Where those bikes have had one layout or design often underpinning the bike (FSR, kooky shocks, and Maestro suspension respectively) the Meta has hopped around. In its nearly 20-year history it's had various linkage designs, some confusing names and has featured all of the main wheel sizes.
This V5 features a new twin link suspension system, it's called the SX to denote its mixed wheels (the standard Meta V5 is full 29"), and it's all-aluminum. The top-line V5 SX Signature we've tested has a retail price of $6,900 USD, and there are solid builds that start at $4,500.
Commencal Meta 5 SX Details• Travel: 165mm / 170mm fork
• Aluminum frame
• 64° head angle
• 77.5 seat angle
• 442 (S/M) or 445mm (L/XL) chainstay length
• Reach: 480mm (L)
• Sizes: S, M, L, XL
• Weight: 36.7 lb / 16.7 kg
• Price: $6,900 USD
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commencal.com The Meta SX is an alloy bike that offers balanced geometry, rather than extreme geometry. The 64-degree head angle is adequately slack and when paired with its high stack height (643 mm for the size large we tested) that means there is little to no risk of you ever feeling like you're going to get sent out the front door. These elements are balanced by comparatively long chainstays to help shuffle to rider's weight forward a little, all while reaping the descending ability of something slack and tall.
The frame has some clean lines and neat features, but not all of them landed. The extra bosses on the underside of the top tube to store tools are nice, but what would have been nicer still is correctly placed water bottle mounts. In their place, the bottle contacts the shock. I first assumed that the reason it was so high, and so in the way, was because of the way the linkage moves. I figured it would probably foul the bottle if it was lower. However, after fettling with a shock pump and some cable ties I found a position that neither fouls the linkage or the shock.
In fact, while we couldn't fit a small 22oz (650ml) in the stock position, with cable ties even a 26oz (760ml) bottle can sneak in. Why Commencal couldn't achieve this, I don't quite know. There are other dashes of pragmatism though, all of which are thankfully better executed. There are ports for easy internal routing, as well as internal headset routing through the headset. The headset itself has blanking plates installed but, should you have an interest, you could pop them out and run them through.
The new suspension at the bike's heart is called the Virtual Contact System. It uses two small links that connect the swingarm to the front triangle, the upper of which also drives the shock. Where some bikes that use a dual link suspension layout have been at pains to keep the rear triangle and at least one link behind the seat tube, the Meta has both links in front. This isn't an issue, but it does mean the swingarm takes on some extra width as it navigates around the seat tube. Thankfully, this bike does have decent geometry because there is no adjustment to any key dimensions such as the head angle or rear center.
We tested a size large, which has a reach of 480 mm and a rear center of 447mm. For the small and medium sizes, that rear center is reduced to 442 mm. The spec is solid, although the $6,900 price tag doesn't offer as great of a value as Commencal was known for in the past. Highlights include a Fox Factory X2 and 38, SRAM GX T-type drivetrain, Shimano XT brakes and solid DT EX1700 wheels. My only real bugbear would be that the 175mm seat post is too short for a bike with a seat tube angle approaching 78 degrees. With Maxxis DHRII DoubleDown tires installed our test bike weighed in at 36.7 lb.
ClimbingClimbing the Commencal is definitely something that
could happen. It's definitely possible, it's just you'll end up thinking of reasons why you really don't want to. It is a big burly enduro bike, but there are plenty of big burly enduros that feel a lot snappier and responsive. It does provide an adequate if not spectacular platform for climbing, with good but not great levels of grip - it's not particularly willing to break into its stroke at slower speeds.
On technical trails, it could definitely be a little more active, and perhaps has slightly too much anti-squat to feel like it can really find the traction no matter what you're riding over, but then again you'll also find yourself reaching for the climb switch on tarmac roads or pavement. Maybe that means it's in the sweet spot, but I'm not so sure. Truthfully, there are better climbing bikes out there. The rear suspension does some things very well, and I'll touch upon them in all their glory in the next section.
The geometry and balance of the bike is good. Its high front, long rear center, and steep seat tube mean that there is plenty of weight on the front while still being very comfortable. You don't have to muscle up through tight sections because your weight is already in a good place.
In regards to both climbing and descending, Commencal seem to really understand how to use a bike's geometry to the rider's advantage, it's just all the other things that hold this bike back when going up.
Descending This bike is a very confidence-inspiring descender and thrives on trails that are fast and committed, and needs your position to be up and ready, looking out for what's next. The faster you go the better this bike is. Everything about it wills you - the suspension feel, the geometry, and, to some extent, the weight that you've just lugged to the top of the hill. It's true heavy metal.
Thanks to that long rear end, you'll find yourself committing hard to banked turns, and feeling the confidence to transition from edge to edge at will. You only need to ask nicely, apply some weight into your inside hand and you'll be amazed at how this bike corners - especially considering how tall that front is. That said, you will also notice elements of flex creeping in. For me, it's passable, and I enjoyed the comfort it brought with it, but I certainly wouldn't want it to be any flexier through high-speed berms.
When the suspension is in its stroke and moving it provides genuinely fantastic performance. It's responsive, with great support and bottom-out resistance. That said, it sometimes felt unwilling to use the initial part of its travel. Once that was overcome, however, it's one of the best systems I've personally ridden on enduro bikes and manages to offer a great blend of traction and support.
On trails that don't work the bike so hard, I don't think it quite has the suppleness in the rear to really shine in terms of tracking. This obviously isn't just down to rider speed but also elements like steepness and how you brake, but I think the Commencal does do a more effectiive job at finding grip on medium to high speed trails. This bike, which I could get full travel out of in the right situations, is not one to tiptoe around the problem. Instead, it wills its rider to tackle everything head-on and deal with the consequences. That's in part down to the suspension but also the upright and balanced geometry. The shock does track well at higher speeds and gives a great feeling of stability, but more often than not I wish it would have been more supple at slower speeds.
For an enduro bike, this is a very good descender and thrives on bike park trails. It has loads of pop, and in some ways is the freeride bike reimagined, only now you truly can pedal it.
Technical ReportSensible Parts Kit (except for the seatpost): If we can forget about the dropper that is too short, and the bottle that doesn't fit, the Meta does have all the parts that you'd want. In fact, if it came with the 200mm length Fox Transfer, as it should do, it would be really smartly speced. The small touches of the alloy Renthal cockpit, alloy DT wheels, ODI Grips, and a SRAM GX T-Type drivetrain and Shimano XT brake pairing cover pretty much all the bases. It's almost exactly as I'd have it straight from the shop. It was a breath of fresh air compared to the silly carbon one-piece bars, horrible grips, and brake hoses that rubbed on the bars you could find on some of the other bikes.
Fox Factory Suspension: In the game of RockShox versus Fox I think Fox has the slight upper hand currently. While the Zeb is a good fork, it can feel somewhat dull compared to the precise and honed tracking of the 38 GRIP2. Both are very good, but I was impressed not only by the frame's suspension design but also the way the Fox shock and fork kept pace with it.
Noisy Bearings: If you heard this bike coming, you'd think it had done at least 3 seasons in the bike park. From day one this thing creaked, cracked, and clicked its way through the test. If it were my bike, I'd be interested in seeing what decent after-market bearings could do. That said, quality bearings aren't always the solution, and it's actually the facing and machining of the frame itself that can prove to be an issue. However, I would imagine and hope the former is more likely.
Commencals tend to have some tight tolerances in their links , it could be as simple as too much powdercoat, a flipped spacer, or something not greased. It doesn't sound like they checked, either way not worth writing the bike off over.
That does not sound healthy.
Wheelsmfg thread together PFBB cups make this a non-issue, if there ever really was one..
Im a bit disappointed with the frame quality overall
btw: i never pressure wash and in general try to avoid washing as much as possible
This also seems to be an issue with the new multi-link models.
In this pic the paint looks to be chipping where the links go into the swingarm and the collet washers. Could just be my imagination also.
www.pinkbike.com/photo/25704738
Do you think you could really feel your frame being out of alignment by 1mm? I find that hard to believe. Imagine the dish of your wheel is off by 1mm- would you feel that? Or a wheel that is out of true by 2-3mm, is it possible to feel that on the trail? I'd be willing to bet there aren't many bikes out there that even have their bars aligned to the fork within 1, 2 or 3mm. Anyway, sorry to hammer on this point so much as it is a bit pedantic, but I think frame alignment is something that can get blown out of proportion in terms of *ride feel.* Not that bikes shouldn't be built straight! Tolerances are certainly a big discussion in any design and engineering field, so there will be a variety of opinions here.
Bearing alignment, concentricity and bore diameter are a whole other discussion and an area where a lot of problems crop up in bikes.
if you mean assembled without grease this is patently false. Not only would it be dumb it's also way harder.
By bonding together carbon tubes and additively-manufactured lugs you obviously eliminate three of the biggest potential sources of imperfection of traditional frame manufacturing - those being welding, heat treating and machining.
I guess Athertons operation specifically benefits from the fact that they are a very small outfit who try to sell to a niche audience who is very much ok with paying high prices for a frame. Thats why they can use these slow and expensive methods of manufacturing and also have a good qc process - which is what ultimately leads to a better product more than anything else.
Unfortunately, according to a lot of people who have a lot more insight into manufacturing bikes than I do, the carbon-tube-and-titanium-lug method of production is not (yet) feasible for mass production. The additive manufacturing of the lugs just takes way too long and the cost of high-precision additive manufacturing machines is a huge barrier to entry. IMO the way forward is CNC'd and bonded alloy frames, similar to what Pole, Actofive and Speedgoat/Ministry Cycles are doing.
All that being said, you can still use the traditional method of construction (welding hydroformed tubes) and get a super high quality bike frame, like RAAW, Nicolai, Last, Banshee, Knolly and others. The key is less the manufacturing, because that's never going to be perfect, but a robust quality control process.
Regarding Commencal: My experience with the production quality of their bikes hasn't been great so far but I know a lot of people who rode their bikes and were really happy with them.
Bearing alignment on the other hand, does matter, a lot.
Unfortunately 8 of the 10 bearings are an unusual size (17289) which has been a bit of a headache to source in Aus. Just received delivery and will be swapping out the lot this weekend. Hopefully that will sort it for good.
On the water bottle issue. It's not an issue with my setup. Large frame, Ohlins shock and fidlock. Plenty of room for a large bottle.
Putting the water bottle bosses in a location that you can't use is inexcusable on a department store bike. It's ridiculous that a company that charges nearly $7000 for their bike misses something as basic as this.
But that's just a guess.
I choose to run Fidlock on my Polygon and my High Above hip pack because then they are interchangeable. ;-D
Also am surprised about Henry’s views on climbing. My AM has given me PB’s on several technical climbs. The AM at least ( which is rather similar) is an amazing technical climber. Perhaps the AM is the bike of choice if you do a lot of climbing. Its a thoroughly easy and fun bike to ride up and down
My Supreme SX was stated to have a 65* HTA and was actually 63*. No complaints on it being slacker though
I can understand alignment being off be 1mm here or there.
HT angle being off by a whole 2 degrees is like, made-in-a-shed-whilst-stoned levels of bad...
I want a Tempo but this thread is helping me cure my itch that I want to keep scratching.
@valrock
Yep. It was off by 2* landing at 63* with the same 180mm Lyrik fork and 27.5 tires. I was under the assumption that I was going to have to buy and angleset to slack it out but commencal had already done it for me LoL. The STA was 75* just as advertised.
It's now 62* since I converted to mullet.
That being said, small deviations and misalignments are almost inevitable and definitley normal on alloy frames. That's just what's gonna happen when you're trying to weld like 20-30 individual pieces togehter and then put them through a hardening process afterwards. Every small imperfection adds up. It's almost impossible to prevent. But production tolerance isn't an issue isolated to welded alloy frames. Even the highest-end CNC or carbon frames will in practice always have a small amount of deviation from spec.
No part is ever going to be perfect. Trying to manage these imperfections so that they stay within an acceptable range of tolerance is key. That, and a rigorous QC process.
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My Meta SX V5 developed some serious creaks after about 3-4 rides. The collet pivot system Commencal have moved to is actually a pretty nice setup, but everything was lacking grease. Coming off an Enduro, I'm familiar with collet creaks as it's the exact issue the Enduro has as well. I pulled the Meta links, pivot axles and collets out, greased everything thoroughly and it's been quiet ever since. Not too uncommon from most bikes I've owned in the past - even brand new KTMs come with dry linkages, swing arms, head set bearings etc. I'm not saying it should be excusable, but it happens.
These worked a treat too on the older 21-22 year frames. Worth a look for the new ones.
www.youtube.com/shorts/NlkZ4-2ThsM
The new Meta and Meta SX have been tested by EFBE to DH-bike standards, their highest test criteria. If I trust anyones verdict on the quality of Commencals engineering, it would be EFBE. Those guys have basically written the book on how to do structural tests on bikes. If the bike has their seal of approval, you can confidently thrash it all day every day.
Strong bikes need to not just be designed well but also manufactured well. I don't know too much about Commencal quality or reputation, but from the comments here it sounds like their manufacturing consistency is a bit lacking
30 to almost 50% more than most others. (YT, Propain, Canyon etc)
its on par with Pivot and Yeti on performance. Price is pretty good in that comparison!
This "enduro" bike test mostly has bikes with mixed wheels and over 165mm of travel, while most of the top 20 enduro racers have started to switch back to bikes with shorter travel and full 29er wheel setups.
We should really start calling these bikes something else.
SX is their park bike.
AM is a absolute killer of an Enduro bike!
Turned out to be some leftover paint on the rear triangle race that contacts the lower main pivot of the frame. It took me a couple of fully disassembles of the pivot points to find it. Something that shouldn't happen with a $2,200 frame, but not a deal breaker since I built mine from the frame up. Honestly, the bike feels very balanced and confidence inspiring... Did a parts swap from my 21' Stumpy Evo to this.
Did a bunch of shakedown rides, along with an Enduro race, and the bike remains pretty silent. Pretty sure the bug was squashed. Wonder why they didn't use a Fidlock bottle? The 590ml fits perfect on my medium frame.
“ The Meta SX's bottom bracket number is where things, in my opinion, get weird.
Looking back at our dedicated-MX bikes and their bottom bracket heights/drops:
Transition Patrol: 340mm, -15mm
SC Nomad v6: 346mm, -8mm
Meanwhile the Meta has a bottom bracket drop of +4mm. The BB sits above the rear axle. Based on other manufacturers' numbers around a 27.5" rear wheel, this would lead to a BB-height of around 358-359mm*.”
At any rate the reviewer seemed to think the ride characteristics were pretty weird so there was some effort to unpack that in the comments which I was curious about. I was interested in this bike as a do-everything bike but it seems like its niche is a bit limited.
It's also good to see more brands finally leaving the old and completely nonsensical stiffer-is-better dogma behind. Another place where Commencal seems to have found a beautiful balance. Only as much stiffness as necessary while having as much compliance as possible. The bike is EFBE Cat. 5 Gravity certified, so frame strength is not going to be an issue, despite the compliance.
Suspension looks dialed aswell. Good consistency in the leverage curve, moderately progressive, with good support and an inflection point within the last 20% of the leverage curve, so that you can actually use all the travel. This is definitley the way to go for all these modern shocks with bottom out control. That's good forward thinking.
QC doesn't seem perfect, but then again it never was with Commencal. The frame I've ordered will get a very thorough scrutinizing once it arrives.
Giants own brand stuff, whether by design is better or they QC more - im not sure but its definitely better
For anyone interested, measured BB height on my V4 in high (same listed 'drop' as the V5), at 353mm, which is also what you get when you divide 27.5 by 2, convert to French units, and add 4. Probably coincidence though as I doubt the chart, my measurements, and assumption that Commencal uses a BB drop formula that simple, are all accurate. Actually like the slightly higher BB on the trail bike, for not clipping pedals on the up; and sized right, these bikes have zero concerns in the steeps.
Trails are kind of a no no unless you like walking........ There is NO hiding 38 friggin pounds of girth with no water bottle mounts.
That said I think this would be a great park bike that has no uphill sections.
And Commencal has rightfully earned a reputation for poor bearing fit. This might have been okay when they were notably cheaper than other bikes, but they need to pony up more $$ buy better built frames.
Sounds like it delivers the ride quality I’m looking for.
Good spec.
But creaking from the get go, it’s soooo out of my list
I’d take stupid headset cable routing over a creaking bike any day.
This is a new look from PB: too much anti-squat reduces traction!
Make fun of the Norco's, they build solid bikes (except the Sram DUB garbage press-fit bearings on my Optic).
For me I'd feel like I'd go straight over the top of the 500mm rail but the 1000mm rail would give me something to push against.
But maybe your body is different.
So is being 'in and behind the bike' good ?