First Look: 2024 Commencal Meta SX V5

Jun 29, 2023
by Henry Quinney  
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Last week, you maybe have seen the release of the long-awaited, full 29" Commencal Meta V5. In many ways it was exactly what you might have come to expect from the Andorran brand: all metal, race proven and all at relatively decent value for money. One thing that was missing from the picture though was a mixed wheel variant.

This is where the Meta SX comes in. It is built with geometry that echos the 29" version when run in its lower position, although there are some key differences.
Meta SX V5 Details

• Wheel size: 29/27.5"
• Aluminum frame
• 165 mm rear travel, 170mm fork
• 64° head angle
• 442 (S/M) or 445mm (L/XL) chainstay length
• Sizes: S, M, L, XL
• MSRP: $4,500 - $6200 USD
commencal.com

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Unlike the 29" version, there is no flip-chip to be found on the SX bike.
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Clean and simple lines of the new Meta will surely prove popular.

FRAME DETAILS

As with the standard Meta, their big takeaway is the shift to the brand's new Virtual Contact System (VCS) kinematics, which you may have seen on bikes like the Tempo. The system, which utilises a swing arm and two co-rotating links, the upper of which drives a yoke and subsequently the shock, might share a similar name to their High Virtual Contact System but it's fundamentally very different from the six-bar system you find on the Supreme V5, in the layout at least.

The frame uses internal, non-headset, routing which anchors the cable in place on entry and exit. There are water bottle mounts on the downtube, which look to be sunk low within the tube, presumably for clearance, and on the underside of the top tube. There is also a downtube protector, chain slap protection and a universal derailleur hanger.

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GEOMETRY

The bikes of 2024 look to have dialled the reach figures back slightly. It seemed at one point that reach values would just grow forever, but thankfully the geometry of the SX looks to be very much on trend with not going too large, instead looking at other areas of the bike to offer some length and stability. The bike uses two different chainstay lengths, either 442 or 447 depending upon the size. This, combined with the 64-degree head angle and the relatively high-stack value should give a bike that feels planted on the front, whilst also being able to tackle very steep terrain. The head angle isn't as slack as some other bikes out there, with it being almost conservative in comparison to some bikes that are well south of 64 degrees. That said, a good bike is all about balance, and we look forward to receiving one for review.

There are four complete models of the Meta V5 available, with prices ranging from $4,500 for the Meta Essential and going up to $6,200 USD for the Meta Signature.

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Meta V5 Signature: $6,200 USD.

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Meta V5 Race: $5,500 USD.

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The Meta V5 Essential is available in two colourways: $4,500

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The Meta V5 Frameset: $2,200

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We look forward to receiving a test bike, and shedding more light on Commencal's VCS system over the summer.

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180 Comments
  • 115 1
 Call me conservative, but 4mm is just too low for a BB IMO
  • 12 0
 Yeah it might be hard to put a chainring on your crankset with a BB that low
  • 16 0
 I F@$&n called it !
  • 7 0
 @gearbo-x: came here looking for this comment after seeing your prediction on the other release! ha!
  • 11 0
 Yeah but it corners really really well.
  • 24 0
 Come on, you just to put some -165mm cranks.
  • 16 1
 No units are specified so one can only assume they meant the BB height is 4 feet, not mm.
  • 7 0
 They call this "ground hugging". Like a really, really intimate hug.
  • 5 6
 your mum’s conservative
  • 3 0
 It's a lowrider
  • 3 0
 @Padded: Yup, 165 micrometers.
  • 3 0
 Commencal has had a weird way of measuring BB height/drop, so I wonder if it’s actually a +4mm from the centerline..? As in, not low, but higher!

My Meta AM lists BB height as “-21”…
  • 1 0
 @gearbo-x: and here I thought I was lucky for paying $35 to see the 24th perfect mlb game last night in Oakland
  • 1 0
 @abueno: If only it was in favor of Oakland. Looking like another rough year.
  • 1 0
 @abueno: You, and the other 17 people that were in attendance (and 14 of those were Yankee fans)? Smile
  • 1 0
 @Skippy24: there was at least a couple hundred Yankee fans on the first base line, haven’t seen that section that full all season.
  • 2 0
 @blissindex: In terms of mixed wheel size, they should specify from which axle they are measuring 4mm
  • 2 0
 @thebryson: I was wondering that - perhaps how far below a straight line drawn between them just to make it extra complicated...
  • 1 1
 I think Cotic gives you sagged geometry. What does Commencal do? Maybe they give you sagged geometry too with also sagged tires (with an insert in the rear but not in the front and 1.7bar in the rear and 22psi in the front).

Just be glad they don't use an excentric bottom bracket for people who want to run single speed or Rohloff.
  • 1 3
 @thebryson: unless there is two numbers, the bb drop is ALWAYS measured from the rear wheel
  • 69 3
 Alloy frame with no shock for $2200... Jeezus. I was almost excited about this bike.
  • 12 2
 Yes, exactly my thought ( without mentionning their damn' pressfit BB's). It seems like, at these prices, it's better off bying a complete bike, keeping the components you're interested in and selling the rest.
  • 27 0
 Yeah commencal lost their price advantage, in 2020 i got a clash frame for 850€
  • 4 0
 complete bikes are so interesting....
  • 27 4
 Pushing into Banshee territory. Commie frames ain't even close on quality.
  • 18 1
 yep. commencal now overpriced unfortunately
  • 5 0
 Apparently changing from a value brand to boutique Frown
Just like Nukeproof, even though you get carbon there.
  • 5 2
 Yeah... its a lot, and the without a shock is a bit of a sales gimmick IMO to make it seem less expensive. But... there are plenty of $4000+ carbon frames (with shock) now a days. Probably raising prices in anticipations of volume declines this year and foreseeable... as they try to maintain covid profit levels.
  • 6 0
 Very close to the price of a RAAW Madonna frameset. Commencal is approaching boutique price levels.
  • 2 0
 @danstonQ: that’s literally what they want you to do.
  • 6 0
 @danstonQ: MDE Bicycles has a pretty similar bike without pressfit. Better price and frame can be customised for a very little charge. checking the page there is a new version coming out soon.
  • 3 0
 Bike looks good!
Going from price/performance brand to boutique price range - not so good.
Maybe less WC teams and more affordable prices? We have enough boutique brands, need more P/P brands Smile
  • 1 0
 @squarewheel: wonder if they’d go more than 165mm rear travel on the new Damper…
  • 2 0
 @hitarpotar: 165 would stay in line. Carve 135 - Stray 150 - Damper 165
But who knows what Federico will conjour out of his hat.
  • 1 0
 @squarewheel: i have a soft spot for a bike with dual-links suspension, aka a virtual pivot, but would like to try a high-pivot suspension. Not sure if MDE would go this way, may be in my view both would be best - a high-virtual-pivot. Crestline have done it already and the reviews are pretty positive. Smile
  • 1 0
 @hitarpotar: Dual-link and no carbon for me. This is why I ride now for two years a Damper. Very sweet bike. I don't know what a high-pivot could add to the bike.
  • 51 2
 I'll preface that I'm a fan of Commencal and still loving my 2021 Meta AM 29. Just hit 5,000kms on it a few weeks ago with around 200,000m of vert since getting it in Fall 2020.

But is it just me or are these prices out of control? I know inflation has been crazy but even relative to other brands - they are now putting themselves in the price range of shop brands and are not competitive with any of the other DTC brands like Canyon, YT, Polygon, etc. And as much as I love my Meta, considering the frame quality in terms of alignment, hardware, build, it'd be tough to choose them vs a shop brand at the same price or at a premium vs the other DTC brands.
  • 9 1
 Yep, I totally agree. Commencal used to be a great value, not so much anymore.
  • 15 0
 Couldn't agree more. Owner of 2 Commencals in the past but decided to go with a Stumpy EVO this winter. Their sale price and the support from my local made it a no brainer.
  • 2 1
 they support too many racers
  • 3 2
 Comparing the 29er V5 to the Transition sentinel (good comparison IMO) it seems like it's still competitively priced. The entry level V5 for $4k vs Sentinel alloy GX $4800 (sale price) makes the V5 seem like a better option, with very similar build kits: Dt swiss wheelset, same Fox performance susp, Maxxis tires, SLX vs GX, etc. Thats just how much bikes cost now I guess
  • 2 1
 No, you're right. The prices at Commencal are getting out of control. They are very much in boutique territory now. The Meta V5 for example is very similarly priced to the new Propain Tyee - which has a carbon frame.
  • 2 1
 @Muscovir: Carbon frames shouldn't be much of a selling point though. But yeah, Commencal doesn't seem to be trying to compete with other DTC brands when it comes to pricing anymore. If they don't have to, good on them.

The frame prices are dumb, but I do think the 4500€ Essential (or the 4100€ Meta 29 essential) model seems like a pretty good deal all in all, way more appealing than either Propain Tyee or Canyon's Torque. Tyee has cable tourism (and while looks are highly subjective, I do kinda hate the look of Propain's suspension layout) and the Torque has stupidly short chainstays. Only heard praise for the previous generation of Meta SX as well and the geometry seems to be pretty bang-on. Thinking I'll sell my current bike and get one.
  • 1 0
 I agree. They used to be an awesome value, then maybe they won so many races they realized they can get away with a lot more price-wise haha
  • 1 2
 @Rusettipasta: It still shows how overpriced Commencal alloy frames are if other companies like Propain can offer a carbon frame for basically the same price.
  • 19 0
 Says price ranges from $4000 to $5800. Then shows the V5 Signature for $6200. Not confusing at all…
  • 21 0
 My bad - I've amended that now. Thanks for the heads up.
  • 2 9
flag NZRalphy (Jun 30, 2023 at 3:10) (Below Threshold)
 @henryquinney:
My Bad…. has no grammatical value (old man shouting at clouds)
  • 9 0
 Is 3mm really a meaningful difference in chainstay length? Is there a formula for how much a chainstay should grown if you are trying to keep things proportional to growing reach numbers? I realise there is a great deal of subjective preference but, manufactures talk about carefully balanced designs yet chain stays seem to be an afterthought.
  • 6 0
 You could try and keep the front centre and rear centre ratio the same. Rear centre is always much smaller than the front centre so the chain stay length increase will always be some smaller percentage of the reach increase
  • 27 2
 I guess that’s their production tolerance so the rear triangles that come out on the bigger size go on the big sizes and the smaller ones on the small sizes. Add a little GPT marketing sauce and voilàWink
  • 5 0
 Short answer: no.

For all the sizes to ride like the medium the chainstays would have to be 430, 442, 454, and 466mm.
  • 5 2
 Like a few others say. The smaller rear wheel is to help commence drift to get the bike to rotate faster at speed. It also puts you in a rear load statically as rear axle will always be lower than front which helps pull against BB drop while going downhill. Short stays on mullet is doable but the rear is just flapping around like a fish out of water and climbing is worse. A short stay mullet would be awesome for tight tech trails sure. But is gonna climb like poo and not nearly as stable at speed.
  • 2 0
 @ESKato: whatever your profession you are not nearly paid enough for it
  • 10 1
 Great looking bike but as others have said pricing is a bit out of the compset. Capra right now is $3800 w/ gx axs and ultimate stuff from RS. Granted only XL is in stock but still..
  • 10 0
 $6000 cad for fox performance and slx. no thanks
  • 8 1
 All these brands start off cheap as value then raise prices as they get popular wonder why there sales don't quiet match up lol.
  • 2 0
 This exactly.
  • 9 3
 Interesting the MX version comes with longer chainstays than the full 29. Seems the opposite would make more sense if you were trying to make one more "maneuvarable"
  • 6 2
 Yeah I’m curious how this would ride. It seems like they wanted to keep as much stability as possible, but that kinda defeats the purpose of a mullet.
  • 20 0
 I like it - the 27.5 rear wheel is inherently more "maneuverable" than the 29, so the longer stays will help with climbing and stability. I bet this bike would handle bike park riding beautifully
  • 8 0
 Based on travel and suspension, seems like the SX is more of that bigger, long travel enduro race bike, as opposed to the 29 that seems to be more of a an all around long travel trail bike. For a race machine the longer rear end may make sense to make the wheelbase longer and more stable at speed.
  • 2 0
 @06hokiemtb: well seen and well said Wink
  • 4 1
 It seems counterintuitive, but actually makes sense in my experience. The stability and rollover of 29 inch rear wheel is tough to match with 27.5, but you can compensate to some degree by making the stays longer and giving it a little more travel, which is exactly what they did.

You’re right though, the shorter stays will make it less maneuverable, but that’s a trade off they were willing to make to keep the bikes similarly capable - I’m assuming. The mullet will still maintain some of its benefits, but it probably won’t be any better in the super tight sections.
  • 6 0
 @ashmtb85 The geometry is almost exactly identical to the SX V4 which I've been riding for a year. I would say the decision to make this bike a mullet isn't necessarily to make it a poppy maneuverable bike. The bike is more of a "Party Mode Smasher" that is super fun on the dh, and super fast all around and the smaller rear wheel and longer chain stays both play into this super well. The longer rear end gives you so much front tire traction, the bike will just grip in corners and you can ride on the edge of traction so well. It lets you push harder and go faster which is super fun. In my opinion, the notion that "Short Chainstays = more funner" is way too simplified. Some people prefer the ride characteristics that come from that, but the long chainstays on this thing make perfect sense to me, and make for one of the wildest more fun bikes to ride. Makes you feel like a super hero on the bike.
  • 4 0
 My 29 with 435 chainstays is more manoeuvrable than my SX with 447 but I get the wheel buzz all the time on steep stuff. Interesting the SX has a 230x65 and the 29 is 210x55.
  • 8 0
 @misteraustin: Good callout on the MX blending longer chainstays with the 27.5 rear wheel, to achieve better front wheel grip

I feel like we're at the point where bike companies are obviously looking at long travel MX as it's own separate thing - they know the benefits are there (and appreciate them when they consider bike handling/design). I like it.

Remember years ago when 29er's sucked, but the market remained committed until geo was figured out? I feel like we're starting to turn a similar corner with long travel MX bikes.
  • 10 2
 Looks like a Tempo
  • 4 1
 Ford?
  • 5 0
 wayyyyy to expensive! especially with the canadian pricing! it make no sense for an aluminium bike sold via DSM
  • 2 0
 Looks like a great bike. Good vid too. I’m running similar setup on my Altitude .mullet with 448mm chain stays .. etc but still have option to run full 29er easily.. fair bit lighter too. Will keep this in mind for next bike but will consider price points across brands ..
  • 5 0
 Can we just talk about Theo Erlangen's shreddit though? That made me want to ride!
  • 1 0
 I didn't realize he was sooo good. The riding in that edit is sublime.
  • 2 0
 I have a 2023 SX in a size large with beefy tires and inserts. Came in at a svelt 38 lbs when i put it on a scale. I would expect similar weights to the old model with this one
  • 4 0
 Love the colours offered, that Blue is real purty'
  • 13 11
 Smart move there Commencal. Virtually doubling your media presence by releasing what's essentially the same bike 7 days after the full 29" sled.
  • 16 0
 Idk, calling it the same bike would be like saying Santa Cruz sells 1 bike, in 8 different versions. Sure it looks similar, has the same suspension platform as it should. But its a completely different front end, and rear end... I wouldn't call that essentially the same bike..
  • 1 0
 @misteraustin: except Santa Cruz shares front triangles between models. Not like GG where they are all the same but each front is two different bikes.
  • 3 1
 Would love it if this thing could be converted to full 29. I have the 2020 AM and would love to get the new frame. I guess I'll spend my money elsewhere?
  • 2 2
 Or wait another 7 days and they will release the AM version with full 29 and long travel? (One can hope)
  • 2 1
 @Stokedonthis: the Meta V5 is the AM. They just dont call it the AM anymore
  • 3 1
 @Shitass: That's correct. And the fact that it sits somewhere between AM and TR has me scratching my head. As if it's trying to be both but it isn't either. I guess I'll wait for a long term test review to come out before I part with cash.
  • 3 0
 @Kamba6: given that Commencal commented somwhere here that there are no plans for a TR version, from the looks of it, the new Meta V5 is replacing the TR and the AM, by sitting directly between them
  • 2 0
 ....they have some "old" frames and bikes on sale right now. Some of those almost getting you a complete Bike for the price of the new frame - now THAT is a deal.
  • 3 1
 Have a meta now. Was going to but a frame. Not buying one now. The way to cheaper bikes is to stop buying. We are the buying power.
  • 1 0
 Hmmm...I paid $6000 cad for my 2021 supreme v4.5 race build. Rockshox ultimate and GX. Now only 2 years later a meta essential with fox performance is $6000. What's going on commencal...
  • 8 5
 No thx, airdrop or privateer,cheaper.
  • 2 0
 I’m with you
  • 1 0
 Looking at the Privateer 161, and if I convert to CAD, it's basically the same price for similar spec. Maybe Commencal is a worse deal in the UK than in Canada?
  • 2 0
 propain
  • 2 0
 Depends on where you live lol
  • 1 0
 @jayacheess: Privateer including shipping, taxes, duties, etc?
  • 1 0
 @Timo82: no, just direct price conversion from what's listed on both websites.

3700 pounds (6100 cad) for the privateer 161 which sits, spec wise, between the Race and Essential build for the Commencal v5, priced at 5900 and 6900 cad respectively. Pretty similar price points.
  • 3 0
 I like it but don't need a new bike.
  • 2 0
 So, the Essencial is essentially 1000 Euros more expensive than my '21 29er model
  • 7 4
 It has a press fit bottom bracket, which basically writes it off for me
  • 4 1
 Fail for the white sx not having the fox white fork.
  • 3 0
 This would have been a nice bike to offer in a well conceived XXL.
  • 4 1
 buncha cry babies on this website eh?
  • 1 0
 Says price ranges from $4000 to $5800. Then shows the V5 Signature for $6200.
  • 5 3
 Renthal bars that aren't hideous gold & red? Impossible!
  • 3 0
 they have had black options for years now. however the graphics on the bars are definitely new, and the stem is new too, neither on their consumer site.
  • 1 1
 Have anyone tried the opposite? 27.5" front and 29" rear? Long rear with short front, what would the ride characteristics be?
  • 1 0
 Starling bikes did that Smile
  • 3 0
 Lekker stywe lyne Theo!
  • 2 1
 I need full 29 with 160 mm rear. So what is left is Raaw Madonna or YT Capra when we take price in to consideration.
  • 3 1
 Propain Tyee?
  • 2 0
 @zimtsticker: you r right. Propain is good bike as well. I somehow lean into Capra and Madonna.
  • 2 0
 Stoked to see Theo in the promo video!
  • 1 0
 that transfer post is in backwards
  • 1 0
 How is Commencal so good at putting out videos?
  • 3 4
 why not? can this company make bikes for tall people? i have watched all the commencal updates for years but not for tall people..
  • 13 0
 I'm taller than you
  • 1 2
 The V4 Meta was bigger than most companies XXL bikes. I'm 202cm and it fits me great.
  • 2 1
 Commencal large is as big as most brands xl. Their xl is the same size as YTs xxl. I’m 6’2” and ride a large meta tr. fits perfect. An xl should fit a pretty large mammal.
  • 4 0
 @Rhojax: Except for Geometron/Nicolai, Yeti, Santa Cruz or Specialized S6. But yeah, most I guess.
  • 1 0
 aha 520 reach and 640 stack is too short.. 520 reach 640 stack and build 20 mm spacer your 520 reach -5 or -7 mm is short geometry i am 6'6 the correct size tall rider only specialized stumpjumper s6 is correct geo number...
  • 1 0
 One day the industry will wake up to bigger bike = PROPORTIONALLY longer reach, steeper seat tube, longer chainstay and taller headtube. It's happening slowly but surely...
  • 1 0
 Meta V5 Race is the best build
  • 1 1
 The video slays. Great work. I'm not sure about "Gettin' kinda HEAVY" lyrics in a Commencal ad though...!
  • 3 2
 Snap, luckily not an omen.
  • 1 0
 i spy new Renthal bar and stem
  • 1 1
 You know this thing weighs a shit tonne when Commencal don't even give a weight range
  • 1 0
 Those sunken bottle mounts look the right shape for a Fidlock base.
  • 1 1
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  • 1 0
 good lookin bike, nice!!
  • 2 1
 Why no coil on the race?
  • 28 1
 So you can still pick it up and put in on the back of your car
  • 1 0
 Next week new Meta TR?
  • 9 1
 Nope, that's it for a while
  • 4 0
 Tempo and Meta V5 (note no AM or TR designation) might be putting it out to pasture. I have a TR and love it, but hard to see a slot for a new 140/150-60 bike in addition to 130/140 and 150/160 models.
  • 4 0
 I’d rather see the tempo without the awful cable routing.
  • 1 0
 @jsobrie: completely. Also Transition has a wider range of bikes with slight diffferences of travel that can make sense IMO. Commençal is making it "simpler" let's say.
  • 2 2
 @COMMENCALbicycles:

So no plans of making a 170/160 Meta full 29er?

Seems to me like you are kind of missing the classic Enduro Rage Bike for rough stuff. At least what I would go to for racing at european venues like Finale, Canazei, La Thuile, Reschen/Nauders etc.

I know there are venues like Pietra Ligure and others where less travel works well too... and not everybody can ride like Rhys Verner Big Grin
  • 2 1
 @Nenoflow: It’s a bit weird i agree. I suspect that their enduro team riders are riding SX version with custom link for 29” in the back, since they have 38s in the front which are longer a2c than 571mm which is max fork length for Meta.
  • 1 0
 @COMMENCALbicycles: So is that supposed to mean you won't have a long-travel 29er in your line-up? Weird.
  • 4 3
 no weights?
  • 4 4
 unimportant
  • 10 1
 Weight = yes.
  • 4 1
 Its Commencal, so it's most likey chunky
  • 12 0
 If you have to ask, you cant pick it up.
  • 2 1
 All the weights.
  • 1 0
 @nozes: All the time.
  • 1 1
 What does a BB height of 4 mean? 4 inches? thats good enough for me
  • 2 0
 4inches is massive!
  • 4 4
 Commencal had to increase the price cuz now their frames aren't cracking?
  • 3 5
 commencal is like yt except they didnt get bought out by pe. brand wont survive with these ol jankedy alu frames at bike shop prices
  • 1 1
 OMG this can't be reeeaalll. IT'S NOT A FSR!!!
  • 2 4
 Might this be heaviest enduro frame available?
  • 6 1
 As per Commencal's website: FRAME WEIGHT
3,3 kg / 7.27 lb, raw without accessories

That's pretty decent for a long travel alloy frame. I'd expect a size Large to be around 9lbs with a SuperDeluxe air shock - on par with Knolly's alloy frames as well as some of the burly carbon frames like the Norco Range and Spesh Enduro.
  • 2 0
 Yea, that's not bad actually. My '22 Process 153 (Medium) is 8.2lbs without a shock.
  • 3 1
 Nah. I'm willing to bet that a RAAW Madonna is heavier. It's probably also a lot more durable though.
  • 3 0
 Specialized Enduro is 3700 grams without shock
  • 1 1
 Ok, good to know. I was expecting it to be heavy based on the downhill certification and what looked like their refusal to weigh the bike during Pinkbike's last pro enduro rider's bikes weight check. And I had been unable to find the frame weight on Commencal's site.
  • 2 0
 @preston67: ...which is the best example that weight doesn't always equate to durability.
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