If you're a Yeti fan, it's been a pretty good month. Matt
showed you the new SB160 a week ago, then came
Kazimer with the SB120, and today we're splitting the difference with the also-new SB140. There's still a 27.5" version in the lineup, but this SB140 is essentially the next generation of the SB130 (confusing, I know), and can be configured with either a 150mm or 160mm-travel fork depending on the build kit.
Like the other new bikes, the SB140 is offered in two flavors. Sign up for one of the burlier Lunch Ride models with that 160mm fork and there are six complete bikes to choose from, all with a Float X shock and burlier tires and brakes. The C1, C2, and C3 are all based on the heavier carbon frame and retail for $6,600, $6,900, and $7,800 USD. There are another three models based on the pricier and lighter Turq frame that uses pricier and lighter carbon fiber. You'll need $8,800, $10,200, and $11,700 USD to get the T1, T3, and T4.
SB140 Details• Intended use: Trail riding and more
• Travel: 140mm
• Fork travel: 150mm / 160mm
• Frame material: Carbon fiber, two versions
• Head angle: 65.4º / 65º
• Seat angle: 71.8º - 73.7º
• Wheels: 29"
• Sizes: SM - XXL
• Reach: 435mm - 525mm
• Frame weight: 3,375 grams (med Turq frame w/ DPS shock)
• Price: $6,400 - $11,700 USD, $4,500 USD (frame only)
• More info:
www.yeticycles.com If you want that 150mm-travel fork and a bit lighter build kit, pricing starts at $6,400 for the C1 or $6,700 USD for the C2. Turq-framed bikes begin with the $8,600 T2 and $10,000 T3, or you can get the top-end T4 for $11,500 USD. There are eleven different SB140s to choose from, as well as the $4,500 USD frame, so head over to Yeti's website for all the specs and details.
Frame DetailsThe new SB140 looks
a lot like the previous version, but the differences are more obvious up close... or if you've already read about their other new bikes. The low-hanging bit of bulbous carbon in front of the bottom bracket has finally been trimmed down to a slimmer shape that also offers more ground clearance. That's also where you'll find a dual-density downtube protector that uses a softer inner layer combined with a harder cap bolted over the top, all of which can be removed to make it easier to route the dropper post line.
Cables enter and exit at the usual places, but Yeti's added small clamps at each of those points that gently hold them in place and should keep excess slack from rattling around inside the frame. Other notables include a switch to a threaded bottom bracket shell rather than Pressfit BB92, plenty of rubberized protection on the swingarm, and a relatively cheap and easy-to-find Universal Derailleur Hanger.
Yeti has also changed a bunch of stuff in the suspension department with an eye on reliability, most notably moving to pressing all of the bike's bearings into the metal suspension components rather than the carbon front or rear triangles. This makes sense for all the obvious manufacturing and long-term reasons, but it's also easier and less risky to remove and install bearings in a chunk of aluminum than some expensive hand-laid carbon fiber. There are also new floating collet pivot axles to hold it all together, and Turq-series frames see better seals, bearings, and hardware used at the sliding Switch Infinity unit versus C-spec frames that use last year's stuff.
What's all this about Turq and C-series? The two versions of the frame are made in the same place and look identical on the outside, but Yeti says that the Turq versions, "are made with the highest quality carbon fiber available and offer the perfect balance of stiffness and compliance." The C-series frames receive, "small changes in the carbon fiber layup" that make them less expensive to manufacture, hence the slightly lower price point for complete builds. The ride quality and frame rigidity are said to be identical, but the fancy SB140 Turq frame weighs 3,375 grams, 174 fewer than the peasant-y C version when they're both fitted with the same Fox DPS shock.
Suspension DetailsSome of us thought that the new SB160 might use a similar six-bar layout as the motorized E160, but Yeti stuck with a slightly revised version of the sliding Switch Infinity design they've been refining for years. It's the same story with the SB140, too, and that's a good thing; we've always liked the balanced nature of Switch Infinity for how it's always managed to do the pedal and bump-absorbing jobs equally well.
Yeti has an interesting history with unconventional suspension designs, and if you're not familiar with Switch Infinity, here's the gist of it. The solid rear triangle floats on two links; the upper one drives the shock via a split clevis and is pretty ordinary, but not so down at the bottom. That's where you'll see that the main pivot is on an anodized black aluminum carrier that slides up and down on two Kashima-coated rails and a set of upgraded bushings. Grease ports let you inject some love as needed without taking the whole thing apart, and Yeti's also added better seals, bearings, and hardware.
What does all that do? "When Switch Infinity reverses direction, anti-squat drastically drops for freedom of suspension movement," Yeti explains, with the black carrier sliding up on the two gold rails in the first part of the bike's travel for more anti-squat and better on-power feel, before moving back down later on in the travel so that the chain has less effect on the suspension action.
GeometryThe refinement continues in the geometry department, with a few small changes here and there but also the notable switch to size-specific chainstays. While the previous version had a 433mm rear-end across the range, the new bike gets 2mm longer per size, starting at 436mm for the small and up to 444mm for the double-extra-large. The same goes for the actual seat angles that start at 71.8 and go up to 77.3-degrees on the Lunch Ride version (slightly steep on the normal models).
The Lunch Ride builds get a 160mm-travel fork that puts the head angle at 65-degrees even, whereas the less aggressive builds with 150mm forks sit at 65.4-degrees. Reach numbers run from 435 to 525mm, with a large sitting at 485mm and a 623mm effective toptube length.
Realistically people hate on them because of the price and the type of rider that you normally see on them (mostly older, mediocre riders).
I sold all of my yetis (had 3 new ones for racing that season) and switched brands.
The new bikes look really nice and I’m sure they ride well but that still sticks with me.
"I’ve demoed the SB130, SB140 and SB150 and they were ok, but nothing special other than the price tag."
^^^This. There are numerous bikes available that ride as well or better than Yetis that have even more features and significantly lower prices. The name and price exclusivity seem to be the big selling points for Yeti.
Some people don't like them because they're kind of expensive and they like to bitch about anything that costs above $3k even though the boring big brands have even more expensive bikes at the high end. Some people don't like them b/c they don't have a 100% no-failure rate even thought it's a product that people beat the shit out of and no other brand does either (I've never actually met anyone outside of the comments that actually had a frame break). Some people just like to rehash the same tired dentist joke ad nauseum b/c that's what other people do in the comments. Some people think that whatever they ride is superior and everything else is shit. Some people love Yetis. Some others actually gave them a fair shake and weren't impressed. Just like everything.
Things like pricing for shipping have fallen since peak pandemic, yet bike companies want to still price as if there is unlimited demand.
One reviewer in the UK had to replace the Switch Infinity link 3 times in their year of long term testing. Just looking at it, it looks like a dirt and grit trap, and I'm not surprised that they don't seem to survive in UK riding.
I have not hate for Yeti bikes - they are perfectly fine mountain cycles. But if I am paying Ferrari prices, I want Ferrari performance AND features. These bikes lack some basic "nice to have's" that I prefer: partially rearward axle path, in frame storage, tip-top rear suspension performance, etc.
For giggles, I priced out a Deviate Claymore build, including very bling kit (EXT suspension, Trickstuff Maxima brakes, SRAM AXS + Shimano HG drivetrain, etc.). How is it that I can build the "dream" bike at full parts MSRP for ~$9.8k, but a lesser spec, "top build" Yeti is going to run me $12k+?
I like them. Part of it is vanity because I think they're pretty bikes, but mostly it's familiarity. My SB5c felt kinda like my SB66c, and the SB165 feels kinda like the SB5c.
Like most of us, the bikes are all far more capable than I am. I'm sure I could find a cheaper bike that I like, but I don't want to spend time demo'ing (I don't live anywhere near a bike shop), so I'm going with what I'm pretty sure I'll like. And so far not disappointed.
SB66c from 2013 to this past summer. She had weekly use around Seattle and a couple weeks worth of riding at WBP and Blackcomb. Switch is complicated and wants maintenance but is robust enough to keep working if you don't service it regularly. Just bought a very lightly used SB115 and doubt I could be having more fun riding anything else.
The prices are high if you don't know how to shop around and find the price you are willing to pay. Hard time believing that PB commenters are shopping for new bikes at the LBS or buying straight-up online, and don't have hookups or know where to look. That's just silly.
"wasnt a lad called leon was it i know his has been replaced 3 times"
With a gem like that I figured you were drinking
www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2eERK3S9Hc
Value shopping against SC won't get you very far anyways.
I’m not a yeti hater but they definitely don’t only offer high end offerings. They don’t even offer carbon rims till you’re in the $11k range.
I was wondering why Richie was so fkn slow. Damn brake jack.
90% of the content is images of scratched or cracked frames, with the owners asking if this is a scratch or a crack, Most turn out to be cracked. So I think the quality might suck going from that.
It happened on the second wooden bridge drop on dirt merchant, right before the big step up. Landed clean and it sounded like a gunshot. It wasn’t like I cased some janky double out in the woods.
I’ve never had a problem with Yeti, and over the past 18 years I’ve owned three of their bikes. I don’t have anything bad to say about how it rides, and for a 35 pound bike with double downs and inserts it’s pretty comfortable for long days. What I am not OK with is paying a premium price for an unsupported product. If warranty issues at YT were bad, I’d understand…you have to cut costs somewhere to deliver at that aggressive price point. When it’s a mass produced product in China for boutique bike pricing, I want the warranty to be honored.
down to a matter of preference, but I like the way other bike ride much better.
PB favorites Evil and Transition:
Spur X01: $7200 before this new round of pricing, light weight RS suspension (shitty bushings), One up bar and Seatpost, Sh!t wheels as they are 25mm internal and limit your tires
Following: $7900 before new round of pricing, Code rsc brakes, bike yoke dropper, RS suspension, Hydra hubs
Big guys bikes Trek and Specialized:
Top Fuel: $7150 before new round of pricing, RS Select fork, Bontrager carbon wheels, pretty much all in house components
Epic Evo: $8900 before new round of pricing, Factory suspension, X01 AXS, carbon wheels. Spesh is in-between with pricing as the next model is $7000 and odd specs with GX AXS, carbon wheels, but then RS select suspension.
So yes Yeti is the most expensive compared here, but there are some reasons for that. RS is typically cheaper in the US than Fox, Yeti uses a Fox dropper compared to say a One Up or Bontrager, and say what you will about Switch Infinity, but it has to cost something for the parts and RD.
The Following seems to have the best all around build that needs little swapping, but it is only $300 less than the Yeti so..
Also I do not own, nor ever owed a Yeti. I have ridden a few over the years and I thought the switch infinity felt great.
Lastly, I think most bikes are too expensive and have made this even more of an elitist sport, especially when "entry" level bikes are $3000 and that is from DTC companies.
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www.specialized.com/us/en/epic-evo-comp/p/205806?color=336283-205806
You're comparing the Yeti SB120 I assume, which does come in at the T1 build $8200 (the SB140 T1LR is $8800)
Transition Spur X01 (full disclosure I own one): $7200. RS SID Ult suspension is quite good and the bushing issue has been addressed by SRAM and is no longer affecting many forks, push on suspension, OneUp bar and seatpost is a good thing, again pretty equal, and the wheels are the same level as the DT XM1700 on the Yeti vs XR1700 on the Spur, just trail vs xc wheels and they fit 2.4 Maxxis WT tires just fine. You failed to mention the T1 Yeti comes with a mostly GX drivetrain vs the Spur's full X01 lol. The Spur's weight is also 25 lbs with the Yeti being 29 lbs. The builds are quite similar, so pay $1000 extra for the Yeti with GX and 4 extra lbs vs the Spur with X01.
Evil Following: Probably a much better comparison to this bike as both are more trail oriented. $7400 as of current pricing, not $7900. X01 Hydra build. Also RS Ult suspension, comparable to the Fox Factory on the Yeti. Everything else you listed is a pro to the Evil, and again Evil X01 drivetrain Yeti GX Drivetrain. Evil is $800 cheaper and has better components almost across the board, similar weight to the Yeti.
Note here: It's silly to apply "before new round of pricing" when some, such as the Transition Spur, literally just raised the price and almost certainly won't be further, and you're simply assuming all prices will go up, which hasn't been the case with all brands.
I'm done looking up individual bikes, you portray the Yeti in very good light when you cherry picked components for each one and simply fail to mention the Yeti's downsides. You also outright don't have correct pricing on some.
Basically every bike you listed has better specs and is cheaper than your beloved Yeti. Some stuff is preference, obviously you prefer Fox suspension, that's not everyone's preference and the dollar difference doesn't make up for it.
Is that Epidemigoggleable?
All I pointed out were main differences in components, wether good or bad.
You obviously didn't read my post as I have never owned a yeti so don't know how it could be my beloved.
How do you know my preferences? The only mention I make of something being good or bad it the sh!t bushings in RS SID which is not my opinion, but basically a fact and held by the industry.
I own Sram, Sram AXS, Shimano, e13, Race Face...etc, etc for my drive trains.
I own RS, Fox, Manitou, Ohlins, Push, MRP for suspension, so please continue to tell me what I prefer without having a clue.
You are the one with the confirmation bias going on here
All my pricing was and is still correct. Evil folllowing with X01 is $7,899
www.evil-bikes.com/products/following
Every other bike was listed at the current listed price from the company so don't know what you are smoking.
I also stated the Yeti is the most expensive compared to nearest competitors and attempted to explain why. R&D cost money, so you pay for switch infinity. You pay more in the US for Fox. You pay for the Yeti name.
My main point is that it is not that much more than other comparable bikes and people constantly moan about the cost. 90% of bikes are too expensive and over priced.
Also don't tell me that a 25mm internal width wheel is ok for a bike like the Spur. I don't even run that junk on my XC race bikes.
Yep, there are some DH guys that have been running 25mm for years. Doesn't mean it is the best. Seriously I run 24mm wide rims for my gravel wheels and put 28-30mm road tires on it.
I used to run 19mm wide rims with my 2.4 tires. Doesn't mean its the best.
For 2.25-2.3 I like 28-30mm rims.
It is subjective. This is the PB comments section, isn't it a requirement to be subjective on here?
Also notice I didn't say my way was the best, or 25mm the best.
But lets look at what actual bike people are doing and not us archair peeps:
Scott Spark XC bike, Trek super caliber, Specialized Epic, Canyon Lux: All XC bikes all running 29/30mm rims
If WC racers are using it then it is probably the most optimized/best part for that need, and I am guessing they are running narrower tires than most daily Spur users.
Lets look at Stans whose wheels are on the two lower end models of the Spur.
Stans Arch S1 and D1 being 26mm wide and according to them optimized for 2.25-2.5 tires.
But then they have a Arch Mk4 which is 28mm wide and optimized for 2.2-2.5 tires?
But wait, they have a Crest MK4 25mm wide which is optimized for gravel and xc up 2.3.
Hold on a Flow S1 29mm wide and optimized for 2.3-2.8!
So if we go with stans (and probably some maxxis undersized tires) sure 25 will work, but it is not optimized/best
Also they say 25 is for gravel and up to 2.3. Again I imagine that most people are riding 2.4-2.5 tires on their Spur cause that is what comes on it. At least they are Maxxis so they will actually be 2.3 and the world is fine and no one's bike will implode.
I think we are probably agreeing on everything at this point.
My main point again is not about wheels, but that most bikes are expensive, and Yeti is not the most, not really out of the ordinary. That Scott Spark I looked at is $15,000 USD aka almost 2x the cost of the yeti I have referenced.
I do apologize for calling them junk. Rarely is any part of a bike these days junk. I just mean it is a pretty low end and ill fitting (IMO) component for a bike of that price.
Cheers
At the end of the day you're comparing GX Yeti builds with X01 builds of everything else and the Yeti costs $1,000 more than those examples for similar builds (other than the GX vs X01 drivetrains).
You also can't just pull up the highest end Scott Spark for $15k and say it's twice as expensive as a GX Yeti, lol you can spec your Yeti up to $15k too if you throw on those same wheels (which are $5k alone) and a power meter... Actually the Yeti would be more than $15k lol.
"My main point again is not about wheels, but that most bikes are expensive, and Yeti is not the most, not really out of the ordinary. That Scott Spark I looked at is $15,000 USD aka almost 2x the cost of the yeti I have referenced."
^This statement is why we're having this conversation, Yeti are absolutely among the most expensive (Scott and Santa Cruz are too) bikes available and are out of the ordinary. People are sick of that.
When 25mm id wheels are being ridden at WC Downhill levels, there's no way we can't all ride them on XC oriented bikes. If you have a preference for 30mm wheels, that is again a very minor nit pick to a bike that costs $1,000 less.
Silver lining: they can get a RaceFace tailgate pad for 50% off during their Black Friday sale. Brah.
I got the pricing yesterday for our CAD market and i had to laugh a lot.
SB165 Frame $7000
The SB160E with a basic XT Drivetrain and Carbon wheel upgrade has a MSRP from $20.000
The LR T4 all in or Regular SB140 T4 all in vary in between $200 bucks. 16900 for the T4 and 17100 for the LR model!
1. Sell a range of bike at 100mm , 130mm, 150mm
2. Incrementally update the travel numbers by 5-10mm every few years, claiming its an improvement
3. Once you get overlap, re-release a short travel 100mm bike.
4. Go back to 1.
You can reference this comment when Yeti Release a SB170/175/180 to replace their "freeride" 165, and again when they come out with another 100mm bike.
If Yeti has priced themselves out of the market, then so be it.
*Just updated it with a Grip2 damper on the stock Fox 36 and a DPX2 after the stock Float X died. Same bike = new life! Now on to more progression! The HTA/STA is not holding me back
:beers:
Edit: I should also mention that mine is a 2019 frame and the original SI sliders still look and feel new.
What if PB made a resource where we could crowd-source the ranked value of every model from every manufacturer?
Even if it was just a blank article that asked everybody in the comments to post the answer to one question: "what's the best combo value/performance MTB model on the market this year" ... then let all of the cream rise to the top in the comments.
Or if you want to get wild, create polls or charts to look at that directly groups models by component spec and price or something....
There's so little difference in the models. There's no personality to each bike. I'm literally looking at the 120/140/160 side by side on multiple monitors right now and the only visual difference I can see is that there is a longer stroke shock on each frame...and the forward shock mount is further up the top tube. All the swingarms and BB area/Switch Infinity look absolutely identical to me.
Ahem…My evo eats the trails up and has the flinched and is more composed through it all. Bye bitch.
Dang it why isn't there an edit button?
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1) Regreasing of the rear switch infinity tube is can still only be done by removing the rear wheel and pivot bolt to swing the rear triangle out of the way to get to the rear SI grease port. Seem like they could've molded an access port in the rear triangle to allow access to that zerk fitting. It's not a huge deal but to say no disassembly is required to grease the SI link is a little misleading.
2) Small rocks can get kicked in between the rear triange and the frame portion surrounding the SI link. Sucks to go reagrease your SI link to end up with big paint chips where you wouldn't think you'd necessarily need to PPF. Had I known that initially I would've done that in that area. Along the same lines when it's muddy out the SI link area accumulates a lot of that mud. To solve both those issues I would've hoped they would've come up with some sort of mud guard that prevented that in the new design.
That being said I still love this bike. It's definitely been the most solid bike i've ever owned and those issues are pretty minor.
Cons: Need to know root canal extractions to buy one
It was pricey for sure but I love it.
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“Fcuk Yeti” Tribal Mentality: Stronger than ever.
Another day, another review of a bike I will never consider purchasing.
$4500 for frame-only makes baby Jesus cry, though...
"Hold my beer." - Yeti marketing department
Or return of the ol'school...
$10k on a bike, yeti isn’t the name that comes to mind in any capacity.
They look damn good though.
I'm assuming the old 140 and the 165 will get the same update as the 29ers just got eventually too
Another example that's more inline is an Sworks Diverge frameset, which is same thing other people have called the Yeti in other comments - a mass produced overseas carbon frame. The Diverge frame is $5500, but for that price you get a seatpost and fork. The Yeti is $4500 and you get the frame, linkages, axles, bearings, and a $600 Fox shock. Which one do you think costs more to manufacture?
A mountain bike that gets chucked down a mountain...I'm good on an alloy version of a respected all-arounder. One day I may try to obtain this Spur thing many people speak of.
Yeti price for a comparable but better spec build.
-No dentist ever