First Ride: Specialized Turbo Levo SL - The Electric Stumpjumper EVO

May 4, 2023
by Mike Kazimer  



The lightweight eMTB market has expanded rapidly in the three years since Specialized first launched the Turbo Levo SL. There are now multiple companies offering options with weights hovering around the 40-pound mark that offer an impressive blend of power, torque, and intuitive handling, traits that had the original Levo SL looking a little outdated.

The launch of the new Levo SL puts Specialized back into the mix, thanks to updated geometry and motor technology. It's now essentially a motorized version of the Stumpjumper EVO, complete with the highly adjustable geometry that helped make that bike such a hit.

Levo SL Details

• Mixed wheels / dual 29" compatible
• 150mm travel, 160mm fork
• Carbon frame
• Specialized SL 1.2 motor; 50 Nm torque, 320 W power
• 320 Wh battery, 160 Wh range extender option
• Weight: 39.3 lb / 17.8 kg (size S4, S-Works)
• MSRP: $8,000 - $15,000 USD
specialized.com
When it comes to numbers, the SL 1.2 motor now delivers 50 Nm of torque and 320 W of power, compared to the 35 Nm and 240 W the previous version dished out. Those figures put it into a similar category as Trek's Fuel ExE, which also has 50 Nm of torque from its TQ motor, or the Orbea Rise, which uses a de-tuned Shimano EP801 motor for its 60 Nm of torque.

There are four versions of the Levo SL, with prices starting at $8,000 USD for the Comp Carbon, and topping out at $15,000 USD for the S-Works LTD model. That LTD version gets RockShox's electronically controlled Flight Attendant suspension, and comes with a 160 Wh range extender battery, two of the contributing factors to the high price tag,

The version shown here is the 'standard' S-Works model, which also doesn't qualify as cheap. For $14,000 you get SRAM's XX Transmission components, a 160mm Fox Factory 36 fork and Float X shock, Code Ultimate Stealth brakes, Roval Traverse Carbon wheels, and a 160 Wh range extender.

US pricing for the Levo SL Pro hasn't been determined yet, but in Europe it's priced at €11,000.

I feel like I should at least mention that the aluminum framed, non-motorized Stumpjumper EVO Elite is currently on sale for $4,799 USD – that's a really great bike for the price, and you don't need to plug it in at the end of the ride. Just something to keep in mind.


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Frame Details

The Levo SL might look like a Stumpjumper EVO at first glance, but look again – there's no longer a brace running from the top tube to the seat tube on the drive side. An aluminum link connects the seatstays to a mounting point at the front of the seat tube, and then a carbon fiber link (on the S-Works frame) runs from the center of that link to the shock.

The brake, derailleur, and dropper housing run through ports at the side of the headtube (as they should), and if the use of a wireless dropper or derailleur makes any of those ports unnecessary a clean looking plug keeps water from sneaking in.

There's a generous chainstay protector to keep the frame safe and minimize noise, along with a rubber flap towards the bottom of the seat tube that's meant to help keep rocks from getting pinched by the chainstays.

Other details include room for a water bottle (or a range extending battery), SRAM Transmission or universal derailleur hanger compatibility, and Specialized's handy little SWAT multi-tool hidden in the steerer tube.

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The information displayed on the top tube screen can be configured via Specialized's Mission Control app.
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Plenty of room for a water bottle, or the 160 Wh range extender battery.

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Phew, no thru-headset routing to be seen here.


Specialized calls the small display mounted in the top tube the 'Mastermind Turbo Control Unit'. It's highly customizable depending on which information a rider prioritizes the most, and it's also what allows for over-the-air updates when new features are released.

The control for the motor sits on the left side of the handlebar, where it's used to toggle through the Eco, Trail, and Turbo modes. There's also a MicroTune mode (accessed by holding down the upper toggle for a few seconds), which switches the amount of power in 10% increments.

In addition to getting more power and torque compared to the previous generation, the SL 1.2 motor is now quieter, thanks to a gearbox update and a new two-piece motor housing with a honeycomb-like structure that Specialized says was designed to help dissipate noise.


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Geometry

For the sake of space, I've only included one geometry chart in this article – for all of the options, head over to Specialized's website. There are two different upper headset cups – one puts the bike into the 'neutral' setting, and the other can be used to increase or decrease the head angle by 1-degree, depending on which way it's oriented.

There's another adjustment at the rear shock mount, which changes the bottom bracket height, and then the final setting is at the rear wheel – that's where you'll find a flip chip that's used to select the wheel size. The Levo SL comes stock with a 27.5” rear wheel, but switching to a dual 29” setup is as easy as getting a larger rear wheel and switching the orientation of that chip - there isn't any aftermarket link required. If you were to run a 27.5” wheel in the 29” setting the chainstay length would be longer, but the bottom bracket height would likely be uncomfortably low, at least with the stock 160mm fork.

There are six frame sizes, with reach numbers ranging from approximately (since it depends on the geometry setting) 405mm to 525mm. The head angle can be set as slack as 63.8-degrees and steepened up to 65.7-degrees. In the neutral, low bottom bracket setting, the head angle is 64.6-degrees, the chainstay length is 432mm, and the seat angle is 75.8-degrees.

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Ride Impressions

I've spent hundreds of hours pedaling around a non-motorized Stumpjumper Evo, so the geometry of the new Levo felt familiar right off the bat. It's much more versatile than the previous version, which was on the steeper and shorter side of things. The new Levo SL is an easy bike to handle, a trait that's helped by the reduced weight compared to a full-powered e-bike. Now, I wouldn't be rushing out to do long rides with the battery off, but it's not that hard to pedal around without any assistance, which helps reduce any anxiety when the battery level starts to get low.

The Levo SL loves to manual and slap around tight turns, but the back end did feel a bit short at times. Going with a 29” wheel and the associated longer chainstay length (442mm) could be the ticket to gain a more balanced ride position – we'll give that a try during the long term test.

The increased torque and power compared to the previous version are welcome changes, delivering more 'oomph' for getting up steep, techy climbs. The Levo SL has a satisfying amount of power, even in the trail mode - it's quick without feeling frantic, and the extra assistance makes it easy to want to go up for another lap, or go see where an unfamiliar trail leads. That said, there's still a sizable speed and effort gap between this and a full powered e-bike - it's a lot harder to get to the top of a steep climb on the Levo SL than it would be compared to the full power Levo. Of course, it's obviously a lot easier on either option than it would be without a motor.

Personally, my ideal eMTB is still at least a few years away. I want the battery capacity and torque of a full-power e-bike combined with the lighter weight of options like this Levo SL. I'm convinced it'll happen someday, but at the moment there's still around a 10 pound weight difference between the two different styles. The Levo SL is for riders that want something that feels much closer to a 'traditional' mountain bike, but with the ability to cover more ground in a shorter amount of time. The heavier full-power options can make mellower trails feel almost boring at times, while the Levo feels right at home on the same trails you'd typically ride on a bike without a motor.

Like its non-motorized sibling, the Levo SL can comfortably take on a wide range or terrain, whether that's twisty, jump filled trails, or rougher, more natural tracks. The 150mm of travel is well managed, and the tune on the Fox Float X shock does a good job of keeping the bike from going through that travel too quickly - even off of bigger drops or on mis-timed jumps I didn't encounter any harsh bottom outs. One of my chief complaints about the original Levo SL had to do with the amount of motor noise – the high pitched mechanical whine was quite annoying, at least to me. Those obnoxious decibels have been removed, and the updated motor is much easier to live with, and I didn't find it to be distracting at all.

Look for a more in-depth review, including comparisons to other bikes in this category, later this summer.




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372 Comments
  • 237 11
 "Personally, my ideal eMTB is still at least a few years away. I want the battery capacity and torque of a full-power e-bike combined with the lighter weight of options like this Levo SL"....

Thats not a 'personally' thing...this is what everyone wants from an eMTB.
  • 15 2
 Truth speak.
  • 10 1
 Totally agree with this man
  • 58 2
 And the ability to ride without resistance when the battery dies.
  • 28 29
 I like the weight of full power EMTBs. My heaviest is 58 pounds and it’s a riot!
  • 4 0
 No further review needed! Thx, I can still sleep in Peace.
  • 27 6
 Exactly what I'll be waiting on..esp anything over $7k ...$14k I'll take a Tacoma 4x4 with 150k on it all day.
  • 28 43
flag ryanandrewrogers FL (May 4, 2023 at 13:07) (Below Threshold)
 @PHX77: Hmmm more power... more weight... I think they make this thing called a "dirt bike" if that's the sort of stuff you're into lol
  • 1 0
 What would be your target weight of the bike and battery capacity?
  • 25 5
 I personally want to Ebikes not to be a scam. Rob Rides EMTB built one up from a frame and components for ~4000 and tested it fully with having other better riders jump it and put it through its paces. That bike is now sold complete as the Luna X2. It has a bigger battery and a more powerful motor.

Yet this thing costs twice as much, because motor manufacturers have an agreement with bike frame manufacturers not to sell their kits to consumer market, so that the prices can artificially be inflated
  • 6 1
 @8a71b4: yeah, saw that video too, a year and a half ago so prices for even Rob have gone up but more importantly his TIME in sourcing and building and PAINTING that bike, my god, i'd bet he has 200 hours in that build and time is money-he got a million views for that video so made money from the video, but you get my point.
As for Luna selling it, I mean sure, but, poor support, have to do some building of it, there are a lot of complaints about reliability of the battery, on and on.
So-support, reliability, design and development matter. Also, that Luna is almost 10lbs heavier than this.
  • 6 6
 @yakimonti:

Bafang drives are reliable. Luna put some custom firmware on them to squeeze more juice out of the motor, which is where most of the issues came from. My wifes Electra has a Bafang BBSHD kit on it that I tuned to run way under peak, and it has seen no issues what so ever. The only concern with Bafang mid drives is that I believe that the batteries are "proprietary", which is probably done for safety reasons.

The point is that with a smaller motor and lower capacity battery you would have the same weight as the Levo SL at a much cheaper price point.

Sad thing is, if Pinkbike spent time reviewing all the Chinese/Taiwanese direct carbon ebikes and proved that they were as reliable (or unreliable depending on what you consider is good reliability) as the overpriced popular brands, you would see a gradual decline. Or alternatively, one of those brands should just sponsor an up and coming pro rider like what Haibike did with Sam Pilgrim.
  • 10 0
 @ryanandrewrogers: you can lift a dirt bike over locked gates and stiles?
  • 9 0
 So a Giant Trance X E+ Elite? 85nm and 42 lbs...
  • 5 0
 @dorkmire: I'd like to see that new battery that Giant is using get a little bigger for a little more capacity mated to a slightly bigger TQ motor that has a little more torque...
  • 8 1
 "Personally, the things I want are diametrically opposed and I will always be looking for something better" is how I read that.
  • 9 0
 Did you guys read about the new Giant Trance Elite series?

It's the full size 85 Newton meter Yamaha motor with a 400 W battery and a 200 W adapter. You can change all of the settings to extend your range or go full power.
  • 1 0
 the pivot shuttle sl is very close depending on the rider weight and climbs. For someone like me 150lb the 60 nm and 439 battery keeps up with my buddies on full power and the battery lasts as long as a 700, but they are heavier. So things are getting there.
  • 1 2
 @OzarkBike: I demoed the giant, went through the battery to quick, would need the extender for sure.
  • 13 0
 @ryanandrewrogers: I have both, and comparing them is pretty silly. A 50 pound ebike rides nothing like 250 pound dirt bike. Both are fun in very different ways. An e-bike rides far more similar to a regular bike than an e-bike rides to a dirt bike, not even remotely the same experience.
  • 4 0
 @jrocksdh: dang where do you live? Those things are a hot commodity here. They are $14,000 is easy a 250k mile rig.
  • 2 0
 @8a71b4: spesh margins are ludicrous. ppl should stop buying all these things until they go back to offering framesets/modules.
  • 2 3
 @ryanandrewrogers: and the electric dirtbike offerings have finally evolved this year and will only get better '24.
  • 5 1
 @yakimonti Orbea Rise alloy. 540wh battery with option to add 250wh range extender. Runs the EP801 detuned to 60nm but you can unrestrict it back to full power. Weight around 19-20kg but you could bring that down with some carbon wheels and a good spec choice. It hides its weight well on the trail. My partner has one and she loves it. I sneak the odd ride on it here and there and would be my choice if I was looking at an ebike. Personally I'm waiting until they combine motor and drivetrain into a single unit. This is the future.
  • 9 1
 Seeing how many SL are for sale on Pinkbike and heavily discounted everywhere else tells me many will buy but ultimately sale quickly. Anyone I know who has one has sold it cuz they can’t keep up with normal e-bikes, batteries die fast. On paper these seem perfect, on the trail is a different story.
  • 2 0
 @allredbikes: ya known several owners whom had motor issues...but at least replacements seemed to warranties ok
  • 1 0
 especially if you're going to pay 14k for it.
  • 4 4
 @thebradjohns: I'd also like to see an e-bike that only has enough power to overcome the drag of a gearbox. Could be very light and eliminate the only gearbox disadvantage
  • 9 4
 @allredbikes: I have a last gen levo sl I bought used for a screaming deal and I love it. I don't ride with any ebikers. For me it's a great training tool, I ride it a lot without assistance, I have done some 7hours, 7k elevation ride with still some battery left. I also use it to tow the kids I highly recommend it to somebody who want the experience of riding a real MTB. I had a full power ebike previously and did not enjoyed it as much. I have no desire to have more power or more range..
  • 8 1
 @8a71b4: What's the most important component on an ebike? That's right - it's the warranty.
  • 4 0
 Why would anyone nees 800wh battery capacity on every ride? The problem for the stagnating or increasing weight are the battery capacity wars. We need a class of 500-600wh or modular approaches.
  • 2 0
 As a rider of a Mondraker Level R, i concur.
  • 5 2
 @KalkhoffKiller: Well said. I have the old SL and love it, for a 2-3 hour blast (15miles 3000 feet of climbing) the frame battery is perfect, I don't want to be carrying extra weight I wont use.
For big days in big hills I put the +50% range extender on and, being frugal, can do 30miles and 6000feet, but it would be nice to have more extender options so I can do a full +100% or even +150%.
The specialized range extender works out at £2000/kWh which is an INSANE price. At those prices we should be getting cutting edge solid-state or semi-solid-state batteries with really really good energy densities.
  • 2 0
 @dorkmire: Slowly getting there, but the Giant is still a compromise with full torque, but really low range if using the power.

CATL is working on a battery technology that output 500Wh per KG, so something like a Santa Cruz Heckler could sit below 43 lbs with a 1000Wh battery.
  • 3 1
 @jejsd: you’re a unicorn Wink
I see how it can work for those situations, solo rides, etc. If you were to ride with any normal e-bikes tho would be different. Had a few friends in our group that could never keep up and eventually sold and went back to the kenevo
  • 1 0
 @thebradjohns: Supposedly you can only unrestrict the new motor until the first update, then the motor gets locked down until you pay to get it reactivated. I'm not sure if this is 100% true, but that's what Shimano stated when they unveiled the new models. Surely it's better just to buy the new Wild instead?
  • 3 6
 So basically you're just lazy and want everything as easy as possible?
  • 6 23
flag DoubleCrownAddict (May 5, 2023 at 7:59) (Below Threshold)
 The fact that Kazimer thinks rear derailleurs will still be adequate and relevant on e bikes in 10 years shows how utterly and completely clueless he is about e bikes. Reading e bike reviews on Pinkbike is like reading mountain bike reviews on a road bike site. None of the testers are full time e bike riders. None of the Pinkbike staff is really into e bikes or openly passionate about them. If they are they are afraid to admit it because of the criticism they would get on here. It's like they are doing a half assed sellout to appease the e bike industry but not get their e bike hater fans upset. Every truthful review of an e bike should include the premise that exposed rear derailleurs are not necessary and completely inappropriate on e bikes, which I have actually heard e bike reviewers who review e bikes full time truthfully say on other sites. Pinkbike completely lacks any and all credibility when it comes to e bike reviews, they don't understand what real e bikers want because they are not passionate about e bikes and look at everything from the perspective of a non e bike.
  • 4 5
 @Joshk07: boohoo you can’t afford one lololol
  • 11 7
 @DoubleCrownAddict:
E-bikes are a great invention for people that have disabilities/old school riders that still love cycling which is amazing, but e-bikes are no way as nimble as enduro/downhill bikes on the trails up or down period which in my opinion is the fun part of this sport…cycling a bike at your most physical possible pace is what it’s all about…
  • 1 2
 It’s already here, it s the Orbea Rise, specy copied exactly everything in this last sl model…3 years later Smile )
  • 2 2
 @dado015: rise has only 140 mm of travel
  • 2 0
 @KalkhoffKiller: the H15 alloy has 150 front, 140 rear. I think they renamed it for 2023 to Rise H20
  • 2 8
flag Andrew-Woyak FL (May 5, 2023 at 10:56) (Below Threshold)
 And pegs and inverted forks and and knobby tires and an engine
  • 1 0
 @stabincabin: I know but 140 is just not enough for challenging trails ridden fast: www.youtube.com/watch?v=263oURCGoww
  • 4 3
 @DoubleCrownAddict: Get over yourself or find your tribe of sycophants elsewhere.
  • 3 1
 @suspended-flesh: he's right about dérailleurs, they are a plague. Even an ultralight setup is still at least 600g of unsprung weight
  • 3 7
flag eugenux (May 5, 2023 at 13:01) (Below Threshold)
 @allredbikes: full heavy electrics are for ppl who ride 160-170mm on xc trails and for addicts who think mtb-ing means doing 10 laps in 4 minutes; mid power ebikes are much more close to real bikes in spirit and ethos of mtb-ing.
  • 3 0
 Not me, I'm happy with 60Nm and rarely use the Boost mode. It's pretty harsh on the drivetrain. I'd be happy with a 50Nm motor and 500wh battery. And sub-20kg. Just don't have the money.
  • 2 0
 @KalkhoffKiller: rise is 150,140 only 1 cm less….same category tho…also you can always add more travel, mine s 160,147
  • 1 0
 @dado015: I'm talking about rear travel
  • 1 1
 @dado015: have you ever ride an occam?, have you ever ride a stumpy evo?, levo SL is to rise what the stumpy evo is to the occam.
The argument of being "only one cm" does not float as one is a trail-trail bike and the other is a real bike with real down the hill capabilities!, **by the way, you self canceled your own argument by saying that your modified your rise to be a 160-147mm bike. If it was only one cm, why did you do it?**, like I have previously said.. it is not only the travel.. it is the whole bike. One is a trail bike.. and very good at that.. the other one is something you could run succesfully in an enduro race. Different type of bikes, not only once cm of difference.
  • 2 0
 Make my helmet and shirt a solar panel please its 2023 battery shouldnt be an issue
  • 1 0
 @eugenux: true, I agree. I said so just because sometimes I just love how a bike rides that the only thing I would need is an extra little 1 cm of travel. I know the difference between Levo sl and rise yes.
  • 1 0
 @KalkhoffKiller: cascade components built a company around giving us possibilities on rear travel adjustments….still on the same bike we love
  • 91 6
 If I was spending 15k on a bike I'd expect a sherpa included to carry my spare batteries so I can turbo mode all the miles.
  • 27 5
 Dont panic you will be able to buy one on closeoyt next year like all the other SLs no ine bought
  • 7 8
 a MTBer of the Sherpa people would absolutely drop a brit in his 40s so yeah this comment is accurate
  • 6 4
 @Compositepro: so 12k on close out price instead of 15k? Thanks for that tip….
  • 35 3
 I have a really hard time seeing where the money goes on bikes like this. In addition to MTB I ride road and motorcycles. 2 years ago I bought a 2016 BMW 1200GS for under $12k and it has ABS, electronically adjustable suspension, built in lights and a starter motor that's probably nearly as powerful as what you have here not to mention its gas engine and bigger/better brakes. Just the amount of work to manufacture it is so much larger than for an e-MTB that I can't look at these and say that the prices seem at all reasonable.
  • 6 1
 Don’t worry, you’ll never spend $14k on a bike.
  • 16 7
 @tedder987: It's called insane profit margins for the bike industry. These are essentially the same frames as the analog bikes with a slight redesign to accommodate a little more weight and the motor. Figure $200-300 per motor they pay the electric motor manufacturers and they can double the asking price versus an analog bike. That's incredible profit margins.
  • 18 38
flag wyorider (May 4, 2023 at 14:05) (Below Threshold)
 It’s called a dirt bike. You don’t want a bicycle, you want a motorcycle.

This is the problem with “e-bikes”. They’re just mopeds.
  • 1 0
 …or at least one that’s also a boat, that I can sleep in
  • 4 3
 @wyorider: a moped uses the pedals to start the engine, not assist it.
  • 17 26
flag wyorider (May 4, 2023 at 14:43) (Below Threshold)
 @BenPea: if you’re putting in 30 watts and the motor is putting out 350, you aren’t doing the work.

The need for the cranks to be spinning on a Broped for the motor to provide power just greenwashes a motorized vehicle.
  • 4 3
 @wyorider: random numbers
  • 3 2
 @wyorider: Rebellions are built on hope.
  • 3 0
 @tedder987: As a fellow road motorcycle rider I have always felt the same way. However, I made that very same argument when I was in college about DH MTBs and I said, f* it, I'll just buy a used dirtbike for half the price. Now that I live somewhere else with much less dirtbike trail access I don't have a dirtbike anymore, but instead have an eBike (not a $15K carbon bike, but rather an alloy Kenevo). I still feel like the high end eBike prices are ridiculous.
  • 4 0
 Well, you know, it‘s fairly easy to bring the price down from 14k by skipping some of the unnecessarily fancy parts:
Who really needs Flight Attendant?
Who can do w/out Transmission or AXS?
Maybe waive the Kashima coating?
You might not even want the motor…
And already you have plenty of good options for less than half of the price.
  • 1 0
 @tedder987: How much does that thing weigh though? Keeping weight down is very very expensive. Anyone can build an ebike that weighs 55lbs and sell it for $5k (so a 5 year old second-hand one to be comparable to your BMW would be what 2k?).
  • 1 0
 Chuckle fest here, good one! Too funny and sadly so as pre-Levo Turbo, I was having to lug in and even stash batteries on rides with my other bike
  • 58 10
 I hate pedaling.
  • 128 4
 Wait till you hear about KTM
  • 15 2
 @howejohn: who also make ebikes....
  • 73 2
 wait until you hear about riding in bike parks
  • 56 0
 @photoanger: Some of those take a solid 30 seconds of pedaling to get away from the lift to the top of the trail you want. Way too much cardio.
  • 8 0
 @howejohn: that's something like KFC?
  • 5 2
 Then this ain't the ebike for you.. unless you weight 100 pounds.

These lower wattage/lower battery bikes go through battery insanely quickly if you're not light and fit. These things are fun as hell to ride though.
  • 22 1
 @kyytaM: Popeyes > KFC. If you know you know
  • 5 24
flag onemanarmy FL (May 4, 2023 at 10:45) (Below Threshold)
 @howejohn: Popeyes is nasty.
  • 7 0
 @onemanarmy: How fast? Say for an average-weight rider, how many miles of steep fire road before this thing turns into one blandly heavy trail bike? Upon looking it up online, the average American is 197lbs! Confused lol maybe we don't need e-bikes after all....
  • 5 1
 @onemanarmy: but the full YT video showed a husky fellowr hitting it hard after finishing a hotdog. I'd have thought you could be 220 ~ 250 lbs and go for like a eMTB century ride for $15K. No?
  • 15 3
 I've got some good news for you: www.ktm.com/de-de/models/e-ride/freeride/ktm-freeride-e-xc2023.html

It's by the way straight up ridiculous that the e-moped from Specialized costs 15k while KTM will sell you an actual electric MX bike for 12k.
  • 3 2
 Wuss, try another sport than!
  • 1 0
 @howejohn: Luisiana has them both beat by miles
  • 2 2
 @Muscovir: but how much are the KTM mountain bikes?
  • 5 2
 @G-Sport: If only there was a website where you could type in a search like 'KTM Ebike cost' and it gives you the answers from the internet.
  • 9 3
 The future of mountain biking is probably be gonna be a bunch of old, rich, lazy, pricks at this rate.
  • 2 0
 @Joshk07: I’m not that old.
  • 1 0
 @bigtim: the point was to ask the question, the answer is that they are similarly expensive for the new lightweight ones they announced last week.
  • 1 2
 Then take a look at the 'Best' enduro motorcycles of 2023. It's very difficult to find one to spend this much on....https://motorbikewriter.com/best-enduro-motorcycles-and-dirtbikes/
  • 1 0
 @suspended-flesh: it’s also super hard (near me anyway) to find a place to ride Motos. Almost illegal everywhere around me.
  • 56 11
 disappointed that you guys tested the cheap model
  • 22 2
 You mean the model that might almost be obtainable for us average working Joe's? Yeah.... Crazy... What were they thinking? Cool
  • 7 13
flag nickfranko (May 4, 2023 at 10:45) (Below Threshold)
 You'd rather them test the model that effectively no one will buy? Cool
  • 9 2
 @nickfranko: If by "no one" you mean "more people than you can imagine" then yup, no one will buy it! 15k makes bikes a cheap hobby compared to say... yacht racing or even just sports cars, and the popularity of mtbs these days means there are a LOT of folks who simply buy the most expensive thing available for status, because they can, because it's the best, or whatever reason compiles them. Bottom line though - yes they're going to sell like hot cakes.
  • 49 9
 I don’t even want an ebike (or any bike) at the moment, but not having headset cable routing makes me want to give Specialized my money
  • 10 0
 all your money, with that kind of price tag
  • 38 6
 For 15k I can buy a 2014 BMW 135i with 52k miles, insure it, and then buy a brand new Privateer 141 and insure that too. Fuck ebikes
  • 10 1
 That really puts it in to perspective doesn’t it. Jesus.
  • 4 2
 to be fair, for 15k, you can also get a decent E-bike, a decent trail bike, and maybe even a DH bike.
Specialized is to be blamed, rather than E-bikes itself, they don't give a f**ck about riders, they just want to sell bikes to Swiss dentists.
  • 5 0
 Maintenance costs on a bmw though…pass.
  • 1 2
 @somebody-else: Maintenace on the Specialized Ebike will hurt more..
  • 26 7
 Specialized made the first esthetically pleasing MTB E-bike design–and are still King in this regard IMO.

$15K USD is $20K CDN (current May 2023 exchange of 1.35x). That's steep and obscene but in line with other overpriced top-end bikes.
  • 10 0
 I for one at opposed. How am I supposed to tut tut at e-bikes on my local trails if I can’t tell it’s an e-bike.
  • 29 8
 @everythingsucks: It's not hard to spot an e-bike. All you need is to spot the dorky rider "whirring" his way up the hill far faster than his apparent fitness should allow
  • 10 1
 The new Trek might be better looking, I think.
  • 9 5
 @stavros81: Come live in the US bro! Our scientists have been telling us for decades that obesity is a literal epidemic over here, but we'd spend $15k to take a few pounds off our e-bikes lol

I really don't hate e-bikes, I just despise the gluttonous consumption of the country I inhabit. E-bikes are pretty fun.
  • 29 16
 What I get out of this article is that if I wear a hideous, double decker helmet, people won't even notice that I'm on an ebike.
  • 28 15
 Odd takeaway, but you do you. That goofy looking helmet does happen to have the highest rating in Virginia Tech’s MTB rankings, for what it’s worth.
  • 4 2
 True true... L☻L

Arborist Helmet

thearboriststore.com
  • 15 3
 @mikekazimer:
I don't doubt that it's the safest, but it's massive! It's like Sputnik, spherical, but quite pointy in parts.
  • 2 0
 @mikekazimer: That VT helmet test list is small. They need to test the Bell Super DH
  • 11 1
 @mikekazimer: Does the second highest rated helmet not look like a double decker helmet?
  • 1 0
 Thats a weird test. The double decker scores 8.55, but my Dropframe scores 8.85... and comes in 6th. Price difference maybe?

EDIT - its reverse order... I get it now.
  • 7 0
 great....thanks....now all I can see is that helmet. day ruined.
  • 8 0
 @frizzmatt: that was a bit off-sides. He'll be crying himself to sleep tonight on his huge pillow
  • 2 2
 @mikekazimer: can we get a close up on that helmet please? I need something to help me puke.
  • 3 1
 @mikekazimer: this! I nabbed one after seeing the ratings and a big crash. Also... comfy, well vented, and looks better in person IMO.
  • 3 0
 It just looks big because of the way some wide angle lenses distort/stretch the edges of the photo. Surely you have a cell phone with a wide angle lens and understand this?
  • 2 0
 @mikekazimer: Understandable, have a great day.
  • 1 0
 Oh boy... Can't unsee it now. Although I think the photo might just be at a weird angle. I've tried on that helmet in a store just a couple of days ago and in person it doesn't look nearly as bad.
  • 2 1
 It's a liberating feeling when you stop worrying about the clothes or equipment other people choose to use in their active endeavors.
  • 12 0
 Let's get down to brass tacks here - whether you can afford it or not, $15k for an (e)bike is insanity incarnate.
  • 9 0
 What's even crazier is that you can buy a regular road bike that costs the same or even more. A S-Works Tarmac is $14,500. No suspension, no motor, still almost $15k.
  • 9 1
 Recently had a weeklong trip to Bentonville and rented a Turbo Levo from the Specialized store. $150 for a full 24 hours. I'd rather do that 3-5 times per year for the fun of it, vs spending 100x as much to own the S-Works model
  • 18 23
flag MillerReid (May 4, 2023 at 14:48) (Below Threshold)
 You don’t need a e-bike here. I can’t figure out why all you tourist can’t get their fat ass on a normal bike. Like we don’t have climbs I don’t understand it.
  • 15 4
 @MillerReid: Why the jack*ss comment? 1. The guy above came to town, had a good time and just made a comment. 2. Your profile says Marietta, GA (I greaw up there). Go up to Jarrod's place and pedal up all day while others ride the ebikes up. Big difference. Are there Rockies sized hills in Bentonville? No. That said, go ride the Monday ebike ride with Justice and crew (if you know anything about the area you know that ride, but sounds like you are just talking trash). I don't have an ebike, but you can rent one here in town from a few places as the guy above said and have a blast with a different style of riding and hit a ton of trails in one day. It isn't always about long climbs
  • 8 16
flag MillerReid (May 4, 2023 at 16:31) (Below Threshold)
 @bman33: jarrods is a shuttle park. I’ve been and let’s be real it’s not very good. I just can’t understand why everyone who comes to bentonville thinks they need to rent a e bike. You can ride all of slaughterpen in 1 day easily with no e bike same with coler. No need to ride any of the back 40 honestly if you are just in town for a short amount of time.. and it’s Pinkbike we are all a*sholes. Dork.
  • 7 2
 @MillerReid: Jarrods is a shuttle park...but more trais going in. I knwo Jarrod...road Blankets 1000 times ...helep build much of Big Creek etc. Been in Bentonville for 3 years after living in Denver for 10. Do you need an ebike for ANY trail in the US? No. That said, why trash anyone renting one renting one and having a good time? They are spending money in town, supporting small business, etc. They can hit Slaughter, Some of the Back 40, Coler, Handcut all in one day. What is wrong with that? And you speak about tourists here as if you are a 20 year local. Judging by your profile you are a tourist yourself or moved here recently like most of us here know. Chill out and just ride man...leave the sh*t talking for Buckhead or Front Range...
  • 9 13
flag MillerReid (May 4, 2023 at 16:43) (Below Threshold)
 @bman33: no. And no trails need more e-bikers on it.
  • 8 2
 @MillerReid: hahahah savage I love it
People making Bentonville sound like its Durango
  • 4 4
 @Aburjakowsky: e-bike capital of the world man. We get serious about it!
  • 1 2
 @Aburjakowsky: Durango it isn't (been there), but it is better than Front Range for day to day riding and ease of trail access (lived there 11years)
  • 3 2
 @bman33: each to their own, the front range like everywhere else has its fair share of negatives. I’d take it over Bentonville any day though. It’s fun riding but 300’ descents on nothing but machine built trail doesn’t have the shelf life. I’ll take the longer natural runs, access to the mountains and bike parks any day. Plus I just couldn’t live with the fact that random strangers are quite happy to share their unsolicited racist views publicly (and I know from reading comments on PB that I am not alone in being subjected to that).
  • 1 1
 @catweasel: you haven't ridden much other than Slaughter Pen main line if you think all is machine built. Some of that is here, but so much more. I still have a small lot in Colorado, will be a Trestle a few times this year (plus Whistler). However, 50 plus miles of trails out of my garage and no massive traffic is a nicer daily routine for me than having to pack up and drive 30 mon to Apex if I want to ride.
  • 2 1
 @bman33: hit ‘em with that logic and reason! Some people just ask to get cut off second pedal out of the gate.
  • 1 1
 @deinabolic: I am pedaling as hard as I can so Margie doesn't yell at me sir. Big Grin
  • 2 1
 @bman33: Lol. If she doesn’t get you Dave Miller and his rake will
  • 5 1
 @MillerReid: I ride bikes because they're fun. Never tried an eMTB before, so I wanted to see if it was also fun. It was!

The biggest advantage was being able to do lap after lap on Coler's north hub, and actually session the jumps instead of just hitting them a couple times. Made some big improvements in just one afternoon.

We also did shuttle runs on Leatherwood DH trails on our non-eMTBs, if that improves our Bentonville cred lol
  • 4 1
 @MillerReid: It's a liberating feeling when you stop worrying about the clothes or equipment other people choose to use in their active endeavors.
  • 9 0
 Is this lowk a sneak peek at what the new Stumpy will look like?
  • 4 0
 I suspect so. So much the same as the current model, apart from the side bar, and with the ability to swap from 29 to MX without purchasing a new link.
  • 5 1
 No brace, no thanks. Really comfortable handhold crossing streams
  • 3 1
 i hope not. the current gen evos look so good. they finally figured out that making the top tube straight was a better look than having that kink, specially on the larger sizes. have to admit that this bike looks pretty good, though.
  • 1 0
 new one looks the same
  • 3 0
 I really like my current gen Stumpy Evo but in spite of the cross brace. Aesthetically, I don't care for it. I've hit my knee on it multiple times while riding (or crashing). It also makes it that much harder to work on the shock. I'm glad they're doing away with it, but it makes me wonder why it was so damn important before, but now they don't need it. They claimed it was to increase stiffness especially for larger sizes, which seems relevant because I'm on the largest size (S6). To me, it doesn't seem possible that they achieved the same structural rigidity without the brace, even by increasing top tube thickness.
  • 2 0
 @blang11: I have very similar thoughts/questions.
  • 6 0
 Makes me wonder if they move in a similar direction with the frame design of the stumpy Evo, sort of like when trek released the fuel ex e and then the new fuel ex right after with the same design.
  • 4 0
 "switching to a dual 29” setup is as easy as getting a larger rear wheel and switching the orientation of that chip" - doesn't that then raise the assistance cut-off speed beyond the legal limit? And can the user switch from 27.5 to 29 rear wheel circumference via the TCU settings, or does it have to go to a dealer?
  • 16 7
 Lol $15k for a bicycle
  • 6 1
 For 15k that bike better have a emergency jumpstart for your car , automatic pizza a beer ordering service, and auto start point return function. And sprinkle me in gold flakes after every ride
  • 6 0
 Could you drop some article about how much cost 1-3 years servicing so we could see the total price for riding a 12K e-bike for few seasons?
  • 8 4
 From my 3 year ownership of my current bike. 3x more chains, 2x more cassettes, more tyres, more brake pads. Just the usual consumables due to riding much more than I ever did. I haven't had any motor or battery failures. Offset that against less uplift tickets as I pedal up now.
  • 1 0
 @mcozzy: And you are wrenching it home or getting serviced in shop? How much more time is spend on it? Thanks anyway!
  • 28 20
 I hate 15k bikes
  • 80 24
 Then you probably shouldn't buy one. Seems pretty simple.
  • 25 4
 @mikekazimer: the problem with 15k bikes is that manufacturers think it’s acceptable to have a base model come in at 8k decked out with absolute dog egg components.
  • 37 9
 @hobbnobs, realistically, any mountain biker that's on a budget shouldn't be shoppingfor an ebike anyways. There are a lot of great non-motorized options for under $4,000 (or even under $3,000 for that matter) right now that leave little to complain about.
  • 7 7
 @hobbnobs: start a bike company and then tell me what is acceptable.
  • 11 10
 Oh look, a $300,000 car. Are you going to hate that too?
  • 3 5
 @mikekazimer: exactly. Just like you don't recommend a full suspension bike to someone with $1k to spend you don't recommend an ebike to someone with $4k to spend (or anyone, depending on your perspective, lol).
  • 10 1
 @mikekazimer: He can hate them and express an opinion, and still not buy it.

Perfectly acceptable paradox.
  • 6 1
 @hobbnobs: What's a dog egg?
  • 2 1
 @Henryd555: What else do you apply that logic to in your life? Genuinely curious.
  • 3 0
 @sprung-mass: a $300k car will hold it's value to a certain extent. Watch Mecum Auto Auctions if you don't believe me.
  • 6 1
 @sprung-mass: I don’t own a super car company so I can’t have an opinion, apparently.
  • 3 0
 @sprung-mass: Yes? They also shouldn't exist? Excess for excess' sake.
  • 2 1
 @Telebikes: I can’t tell you, I’m not a dog.
  • 7 4
 I "hate" not being able to afford a 15K bike.
  • 3 0
 @Telebikes: Ask Crispr
  • 1 0
 @mountaincross: you and me both. If I sell my current e-bike, my hard tail, all my extra parts, my kids bikes... maybe then I can get one....
  • 4 1
 Look up and shout at the clouds, its easier.
  • 3 2
 @mountaincross: I hate the fact that 20 years ago I couldn't afford a top of the range bike but though 'one day when I'm making more money...', but now that day is here I still can't afford it.
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 @mikekazimer: wow super insightful! but hey, when you're trying to justify a 15k bicycle to the audience that pay's you, that's probably all you could come up with. To spell it out, 15k top tier bike usually equates to a bottom tier bike that is still unattainable for most.
  • 6 6
 @shitztain: why does it have to be attainable for most? because depending on who you are sampling $1000 for a bike could be unattainable for "most". your subjective sense of what bike prices should be is irrelevant to any margin calculations that are done in order to make money on the bike, however high that margin may be.
  • 9 2
 @Henryd555: I'm sure it's pinkbikes job to advocate and promote brands; you're doing a fine job too. You're barking at the wrong individual though. My household currently owns 2 Orbea rises and a few high end standard bikes as well. I "could" purchase the new Levo if I wanted too but to sit there and argue that a bicycle is worth 15k is simply mad and to continue doing so, will only drive up pricing more. As a consumer, I'm simply putting my foot down. Pricing has gone up across the board, this is not an ebike related issue. Our supply chain and dependency on overseas manufacturing is out of whack and something needs to change. We all gotta eat and if China's/Taiwan production goes down, then so will pricing across all facets of the supply chain.
  • 1 5
flag Henryd555 FL (May 4, 2023 at 13:04) (Below Threshold)
 @shitztain: yeah thats cool but you didnt answer my question.
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 @Henryd555: because your question was dumb. Stop buying 15k bikes and the price will go down. This isn't rocket surgery! I have 25 years in supply chain and currently ocean carriers, tariffs and overseas manufacturing has us by the balls right now. Either someone gets creative with USA manufacturing or we stop buying 15k bikes.
  • 1 1
 @shitztain: There are domestic options for great bikes no where near close to $15,000.00. Maybe don't but bikes from overseas if you think they are the problem?
  • 3 1
 @shitztain: neah.. the supply chin is not an issue anymore, trust me on that. In fact some struggle to move the units they already produced and many factories in different industries are actively looking for clients. Bike brands are not concerned with finding clients for 15k or beyond bikes. They will sell each and everyone of them in the same way Porsche sells each and every gt3 or ferrari, basically, every model they produce.
Gone ar the days of high end 8-9k bikes.. and no, inflations does not add up to the difference; bike companies simply realised that there are lots of ppl with the financial means to pay for 15-20k bikes.
In the same way a civic type R from a couple of years ago was 30-32k..and now the same model is 60k euro, bikes that were once 6k now are double the price. As long as there is demand for 15-20k, brands will produce and sell them.
  • 3 2
 @eugenux: yeah, I'm not referring to shortages, I'm referencing high tariffs, ocean containers cost and overall inflation from overseas manufacturing. I have no idea specialized business model but this price point doesn't have me waiting for the sales price to happen, once all the dimwits paid 15k. Its turning me off to the idea of buying bikes all together. Based on the current inventory, It would appear a lot of people are feeling the same way.
  • 2 1
 @shitztain: I don't know about any new custom taxes to be in place but, I do know for a fact that shipping has gone back to the pre-pandemic prices for containers(almost.. basically, like a 10% increase).. so no 14-16-20k per container, depending on destination.
The steel is also almost back to regular prices before the pandemic.. plastic isn't.. but, the difference does should not amount to more than 5 to 7%. In fact, some factories are so desperate for orders they even give better prices than at the end of 2019.
What I am trying to say is that the current prices are not due to anything happening on the supply chain.. from placing the orders to receiving the goods in your designated warehouses... no, in my opinion(seeing what's also happening in the company in which I activate), these prices are a consequence of meetings and many discussions between marketing, financial and sales departaments; supply chain is at its 2019 level.. maybe even better, depending on the currency you work with. (for example, in Europe is a little worse as the $ got stronger in and after the pandemic)
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer: but how do pedal a non motorized bike
  • 3 0
 @mikekazimer: well that's a hot take Big Grin
I mean, I'm doing exactly what you suggest - but plenty of people with not-unlimited funds (i.e. a budget) will be wanting an eeb so they can join in with their eeb fwends.
  • 1 0
 @Telebikes: Lift the tail and have a look, mate.
  • 7 0
 Can the previous Levo SL and Kenevo SL bikes be upgraded to the 1.2 motor?
  • 5 0
 No. They will not be backwards compatible due to different mounting hardware. Unfortunately.
  • 3 0
 the kenevo SL with the new motor from levo SL would be great!, still uber expensive but great combo non the less. What I didn't like(and concluded that I will still remain on my normal big bike) was the noisy motor the kenevo SL had. Beside that, for me and the life style I currently have(at the age I currently have), that kenevo SL is the perfect bike. With the new motor, will actually be.
  • 1 0
 @eugenux: the next gen kenevo sl could be quite good.
  • 4 0
 The Jury is still out. Some say yes some say no. I'm hoping yes, but whether Specialized can be persuaded to sell them for that purpose is another matter.

IF the motor really will fit older bikes, then I think Specialized would do very well to consider offering an upgrade kit.
It would probably have to be Motor + TCU2 and possibly new guard/cover and crank options maybe.
But:-

1. It would really help them shift old stock of gen1 bikes.
2. It would really help their green credentials (much better to keep an "old" (largely) non-recyclable CF bike going for longer than have it in landfill).
3. It would help support second hand values, making it easier for existing owners to sell their old bike and upgrade to the new.
4. It would help sell new bikes to people worried about "investing" in an uncommon motor standard. If you buy a Shimano or Bosch bike, the perception is that you could later upgrade to newer more powerful motors as they are launched. (this was definitely a major consideration/worry/hurdle for me when I bought my SL 7 months ago). If they offer the 1.2 motor to gen1 owners then the implication is that they might offer 1.3 motors to gen 2 owners down the line. The pace of change in eMTBs is so fast that I bet a lot of potential purchasers are stuck waiting to see what the next big thing is. I certainly know several people who are like this, been considering a lightweight ebike for well over a year but always changing their minds as a new one is launched.
5. It would allow them to offer a better solution to people like me who are waiting for a warranty motor for a 1.1. As it stands they will be out of pocket a new motor and shop labour to fit plus shipping etc. If they offered me an upgrade to the 1.2 at cost price then suddenly the negative experience of a warranty so early in ownership plus the profit lost would be converted to a modest sale, a very happy customer, and a reduced likelihood of a subsequent second warranty claim.
6. Its all good for brand loyalty.

Against this you have what? The chance that someone will decide NOT to buy the new bike and instead upgrade their existing SL? If so you STILL make a good sale (£1.5-2k maybe? on an item with just one SKU no sizes and colours to complicate things and you can justify holding stock and turn warranty stock into goods on hand)
Also I think that that is a very small number of people, more likely you lose customers to TQ, Shimano, Fazua, Bosch etc options.
The new LevoSL still has all the geometry and suspension upgrades to swing the balance.
There is a well known marketing quirk, that if you can change your customers mindset from "should I buy brand A or brand B"; to "should I buy model X or model Y from brand A" then you've essentially won the sale. Offering the motor upgrade would change existing owners mindset from; "Specialized Levo SL Gen2 or Trek TQ or Transition Relay (or whatever)" to "Levo SL Gen 2 bike or motor".
  • 1 0
 @G-Sport: a brand rep told me no though he suggested the mounting points were the same *shrug*. Disappointing, but not suprising spesh wants current owners to buy the new bike instead of upgrading. I don't think they expected to be sitting on so much first gen stock still though.
  • 1 0
 @Tayrob: And the manufacturer's standard profit model.
  • 2 0
 @lostlunchbox: The new motor definitely DOES fit the old bikes, but neither bashguard fits apparently. The bash guard for the new motor fits all the holes except the front one to the DT and I'm guessing you could drill a new hole and put a spacer in to make it work.
The ONLY real hurdle is persuading Specialized that it is worth offering the parts to their loyal customers.
  • 2 0
 @G-Sport: I think what he was suggesting was that the motor *could* fit, but you would need to replace the entire system as the TCU and battery may not have compatibilities. As you say though, it's all moot if they don't offer it as aftermarket.
  • 7 0
 8k with an NX chain and rhythm fork. nice
  • 7 0
 I’m waiting for the $42,000 ebike.
  • 4 0
 ...Reach for the stars - Can we please see a $50K ebike by 2025
  • 6 3
 A full blown out Min Cooper SE with ~30 KWh 400V battery with leather electric seats, audio system. A vehicle that has passed heavy development cycle , expensive NRE, get assembled on an automatic line, consisting of power electronics modules, converters, multiple officiators , forged components ,having safety functions complaint with the automotive industry an so on and on having 5 year and 50k miles warranty cost @32000 and an amateur constructed bike that breaks most of the time, can not go more than 400 miles on a single chain have raw material less than 1% of the mini and no high tech ,whatsoever , has passive cooled low voltage battery, developed by couple of guys in garage cost $15k. .....I will stop here
  • 6 0
 No mention of the seat angle from 5 years ago?
  • 2 0
 With the short chain stays this things gonna loop out on 10% climbs
  • 2 0
 Curious if this thing can be pedaled without the battery, a la the Transition Relay? Guessing not?

How/what makes that possible, just a cover and/or motor clutch or something? I think Relay is 40lbs w/out battery so if it was possible on this rig, this thing could be a lot lighter, but w/battery I think the Relay has more juice in a similar package.
  • 6 0
 Theoretically you can but would not be worth the hassle. The battery is internal and requires the whole motor to be removed to get it out. All to save only 3-4 lbs. the sl battery is very light for what it is.
  • 1 0
 The relay has a decent power delivery but I'm sure the levo sl will deliver power smoother. The relay also has a significantly more plastic feel so than the levo sl. I think the relay with a motor will be nearly identical to the feel of the SL due to pedal efficiency and the kinematics. Definitely interesting that you can change the shock size to a 210x55 and make it 165mm rear wheel travel chuck the headset cup into the slack and put a 170mm fork on it and boom theres your light weight relay.
  • 6 0
 @evaneisenhart: "save only 3-4lbs" e bike point of view
  • 3 1
 @fred-frod: I guess... To be honest, the difference between a 32-33lb vs a 36lb enduro bike is hardly noticeable to me.
  • 2 0
 @evaneisenhart: I have a Kenevo SL and specifically bought the bike so I could fly with it... The Specialized SL platform is the only ebike that I know of that you can fly with by removing the internal battery and traveling with the range extender. The SL motor works with just the range extender.
  • 1 0
 Any ebike can be pedaled without the battery. What are you asking? The "differentiator" on the Relay is the battery is easy to remove. Many ebikes come with removable batteries.
  • 1 0
 @caldog: I dont understand. If you can take the range extender, why not take the internal battery?
  • 2 1
 @Cord1: Airline limit is 160Wh which is the size of the range extender. Internal battery is 320Wh. Airlines need to start accepting bigger Li-ion batteries if packed in an approved fireproof bag.
  • 1 0
 @G-Sport: I can’t see that ever happening.

Battery rental in popular destinations seems more likely.
  • 7 2
 That $15k price tag sure gives the haters some fuel lol

I might need to start tipping my dentist
  • 2 5
 Sick bike though
  • 3 0
 @tom666: I was prompted to tip at the health clinic the other day. Oh the joys of living in America lol
  • 3 0
 Just saw the pricing for these released at the local bike shop, $13.5k for comp version then massive jump to $20k pro and $24k sworks…..
  • 6 4
 How much longer does the CS get when flipping it to 29er mode?

Is there noise from the drivetrain on pedal kickback when descending?

I'm with you on the ideal emtb @mikekazimer , needs to be mid power weight but have the battery capacity of full power bikes. I'd be good with the assist to be in the middle of the two classes.

However once the novelty has worn off ebikes I ride mine way less. Real mountain bikes are way more satisfying to ride.
  • 7 0
 The chainstays are 442mm in the 29" mode.
  • 3 1
 I wouldn’t touch this until I knew all the motor failure issues have been resolved. Even new models are having issues. I’ve done 4000 km on my Yamaha. Haven’t had a single problem yet. The bike also cost me half of what a specialised would cost. Yes my e reign is a bit heavy but geo is dialled, great spec, it’s quiet and reliable.
  • 5 1
 Me too. So many horror stories about Specialized motors burning out.
  • 2 0
 @BarneyStinson: Wrong motor. This is the Mahle motor. It's the Brose motors that had failure problems.
  • 2 0
 @bigtuna00: a fair point, but they’re all branded as Specialized, so the distinction is lost on many people.
  • 4 2
 Specialized is known for setting new benchmarks, but this time they made a step back in my opinion... Relaesing the new LEVO SL with old batery and only 320Wh is really disappointing. I wouldn't mind adding extra weight to this bike, but getting at least 480 Wh battery. I want to ride longer without constant monitoring the level of the battery.
  • 2 1
 Well, the genius is in the software. For example, Tesla uses off-the-shelf LG and Panasonic batteries but their software IP what makes the difference. Someone smarter than me needs to take a peek at the Turbo firmware.
  • 3 1
 Indeed. Using the same platform and just upping the torque is a huge mistake. There's certainly a brand following, but given how badly the first SL failed (my local ship still has half a dozen of them for sale at 20% off) I'm not sure what they were thinking. This thing is laughably heavy for such a small battery (e.g. Orbea Rise is 4 lbs lighter with bigger battery for $2500 less), and has a laughably small range extender. Every other mid-power ebike has more to offer for less money and often less weight. Really disappointing. Still better than what they were planning to launch in August, but you can tell they were scrambling to catch up. Innovate or die...they chose the latter Frown
  • 6 4
 "I want to ride longer without constant monitoring the level of the battery"
cough - get a normal bike
cough Wink
  • 4 1
 @makaron: Good point! Wink
  • 2 0
 Stick the range extender on and that's exactly what you get (though you wont have a bottle anymore...
  • 1 2
 @singletrackslayer: you cannot use reasoning against ignorance, especially in ignorant america. (green day tried to explain it years ago.. but with no change in the general mentality)
  • 2 0
 "I want the battery capacity and torque of a full-power e-bike combined with the lighter weight of options like this Levo SL."
I don't know where, but I heard/read somewhere that battery tech has virtually 'maxed out' at this point so perhaps getting the same power/range out of something lighter is either a long way off or never going to happen.
  • 2 0
 Solid state batteries are about to hit the car market. Overall power is similar, but they offer a decent weight savings.
  • 3 0
 It's nothing that fancy. You need an adequate number of cells, or cells with high enough current limits, to put out the extra power. Most current small battery packs can't do it. But Giant has a full power emtb with a 400wh battery using a different cell design that can handle it (TRANCE X ADVANCED E+ ELITE line). It's not *quite* light weight in my opinion, but you can get it down to 42 lbs pretty easily. Unfortunately the range extender is only 200wh so you end up with a max of 600 on an 85NM bike. Anyway the point is the tech already exists.
  • 3 0
 CATL supposedly have "condensed" cells with 500Wh/kg energy density which is about half the weight of current ebike batteries. They are developing these for aircraft mostly but I think they should send them our way. With a range extenders costing £2000/kWh we are a MUCH more lucrative market than most and being comparatively small batteries with very low consequences if they fail mid-way through a journey we are the ideal development market.
  • 4 0
 I have to admit, after trying turbo levo, kenevo, repeater, heckler, exe, the Kona one and a scott eBike the levo SL is the most fun one for me.
  • 10 4
 ALL e-bikes MUST BURN
  • 6 0
 Nice headset!
  • 4 0
 does a 350w motor and a 350wh battery mean that after an hour at full power the battery is dead?
  • 4 0
 Yes, but only if the System could actually sustain that Power.
  • 2 0
 In theory, yes.
  • 5 4
 What we really need instead of this, is really good park/DH/enduro bike, where you can add-remove the battery (+motor ideally) in a matter of seconds. So you don't need this silly n+1 bike the industry is shoving at the moment. Also it would be environmentally friendly in another way. Imagine riding an ebike to the park, then remove the battery and motor, ride, and at the end of the day put the battery back and get home, instead of driving. And it doubles as an regular ebike for commuting during the week. IMO a weight penalty for something like this (in sans motor and battery setup) could be around half a kilo, which is acceptable for having 2 bikes in one.
  • 4 3
 I think I'm with you here... "IMO" an e-bike only makes sense as an Enduro/DH bike... best used for mountainous winch & drop trail systems without a lift.

Its kind of silly for typical trail systems that are mostly flat with some punchy climbs.
  • 2 0
 Googled Lapierre E-Zesty for you: www.lapierrebikes.com/de-de/o/e-zesty-am-92-x-2022

You are welcome.
  • 1 0
 @Lasse2000: Thx. pretty good execution of what I have suggested, however the motor still stays on the bike.
  • 3 0
 might as well revue the new 2023 BMW i8 Roadster 369hp $150,000 Supercar because I will never be able to buy that or the $20,000.00 CDN Levo
  • 3 0
 When is regen braking and traction control coming? The new ABS needs moto refinement too. If I am paying moto prices, I want moto options.
  • 3 2
 Nice bike with excellent dynamic characteristics as usual from Specialized.
The integration of the electrical part is top notch and the Mastermind has all the info one would like to have, at the right place.
Marketing in the presentation has no equal, I recommend watching the two videos on the Specialized Youtube channel for the launch!

But at the light of thistest, it seems to me that on the engine/battery side, Specialized has missed the opportunity to innovate or at least catch up with the other Light systems on the market. It seemed to me more of a self-referential evolution, aimed at solving the problems of the previous engine, rather than restoring the distance with the competitors who have grown so much in the same segment, in recent months.

On paper it could be the ideal bike for "epic ride" but then having kept the 320 Wh battery (with Orbea Rise which has relaunched with the double option 360/540 Wh and Fazua which has a 420 Wh battery and excellent efficiency) and having increased the power of the engine.. epic rides end after 1500m D+??

As for the maximum power, which they say has gone from 240W to 320W, I can say that even the current Kenevo SL, with the SL 1.1 engine, delivers about 310W, at least that's what the Mastermind says...
  • 3 1
 I just don't understand why ebikers spend tens of thousands of dollars more for a bike that is a few kilos lighter, when most of them have many more extra kilos that would be cheaper to get rid of…
  • 3 0
 Any word on if the new SL 1.2 motor can be fitted on a Kenevo SL? It would make that bike absolutely perfect if it could.
  • 1 0
 Can't.
  • 1 0
 Some say yes some say no.
  • 1 0
 @G-Sport: good to hear there’s still hope!
  • 4 0
 @BrianGriffin: The new motor definitely DOES fit the old bikes, but neither bashguard fits apparently. The bash guard for the new motor fits all the holes except the front one to the DT and I'm guessing you could drill a new hole and put a spacer in to make it work.
The ONLY real hurdle is persuading Specialized that it is worth offering the parts to their loyal customers.
  • 2 0
 @G-Sport: appreciate the info, that’s great news! Really hope specialized can come through on this. I would easily pay up to $2k for the upgrade. And it would really help them move their old inventory if they include the option to upgrade the motor. I know they have plenty of it given how long their bikes have been on sale. Only time will tell, for now I’ll have to be happy with my 35nm lol. 50nm would be perfection. It’s what I wished the KSL was before I bought it, but had to settle since it’s still the best light e-enduro on the market.
  • 3 1
 Every second comment in here is like "For $15k I can buy a 2012 Honda Civic, 40 acres of land in New Hampshire, and a foot surgery!"
  • 2 1
 The energy density of lithium-ion batteries is already near its theoretical limit. Until new technologies such as all solid-state batteries become widespread, no more lightweight, high-powered eBikes will appear. Buy now!
  • 15 12
 100% chance that the carbon yoke starts exploding and they are speccing it with an alloy one within the next year.
  • 5 0
 I know the S-works stumpy evo has a carbon yoke and I've never heard of any problems on it, and it looks leaner than this one. I doubt this yoke will be blowing up with a few more pounds on it.
  • 5 1
 @Takaya94: They sell it with alloy links now, they all broke.
  • 2 1
 @plustiresaintdead: Nope, I have a carbon yoke on my evo and have done lots of stupid things on it. Still runs like a champ.
  • 3 0
 @Takaya94: Well, in the first year of production the S-Works Enduro also had carbon links. Long story short, they all broke and now it comes with aluminium linkage components.
  • 1 0
 @Muscovir: Interesting, I had no idea. Regarldess my Stumpy Evo has an alloy yoke and im all for it. Dont really think thats the place to be saving weight.
  • 5 4
 "Personally, my ideal eMTB is still at least a few years away."
I agree 100% with this statement and a much lighter, more efficient battery has been reported to be in development so I'm saving my money.
  • 1 0
 Twin lighter battery’s with treks motor and it will be sweet

Personally would love one, but every one you see second hand has had either motor or battery replaced under warranty so no chance I would take that risk
  • 17 1
 There is always something better around the corner. I would have missed out of 4 years of fun if I waited for the next big development.
  • 3 0
 I get what you mean, maybe I'm being a little too niche. But I don't ride as often as I'd like, my fitness is always off. The ideal ebike for me doesn't need 350W of power, I'd rather take 100W and less battery weight etc to just give that extra bit on the long climbs so I've got enough in the tank to enjoy and attack the descents a little harder - again without the extra weight to retain more of that feel.
  • 1 0
 @mikekazimer have you ridden the new Orbea Wild with a 625 battery yet? 46lb is getting pretty close.
  • 1 0
 @toad321: I was worried about this so bought new. First motor lasted 7 months 1000miles but now I have been waiting 3 weeks for the warranty one (luckily it still sort of works (just very noisy) so I am not without a bike).
In hindsight I think I should have bought a second hand one for half the money. Lots of independent places will fix the motor for you and I could have bought a spare to quickly swap in and then fix myself (daren't fix this one myself for fear of losing that all important warranty). BB bearings normally only last me a year (at most) anyway so having the motor unservicable means it is inevitable I'll need warranty...
  • 3 3
 S3 has a reach measurement of 445 while the S4 has a top tube of 631. Neither work for me so, beside being broke and not being able to afford one, I know that I wouldn't one want one due to a, little strange sizing in the S3-S4 versions.
  • 6 0
 Totally agree the sizing is a little to spread out. They need to say f*ck it and pull a trek and do a M/L
  • 2 1
 Serious question: why are you concerned with top tube size?

Assuming you get a good bike fit, your hips will always end up in the same place in relation to the bottom bracket. Therefore, a combination of reach and stack height (within reason) should be quite useful in getting a bike to fit the rider properly.

Entirely possible that I am missing something in my thinking - but I'm trying to figure out why anyone would look at effective top tube from a bike fit perspective (again, within reason).
  • 1 0
 @Trentabartlett: the geo of the S4 is pretty much that of the M/L, it's even a bit shorter
  • 2 0
 @KJP1230: i look at ett before reach because i know what range is comfortable for the long ascents that most of my rides start with. then i hope to get the longest possible reach for that ett range so it feels as good as possible on the descents
  • 1 0
 @KJP1230:
the bikes I had were between 578 ett and 628mm...with reach varying between 414 and 472mm.
On my current bike, the combo is 609 ett with 468 reach and a 40mm stem; 10mm forward on the rails for my saddle. These dimensions are already at the limit of what I can comfortably handle on a bike.. so, going even bigger is a no go for sure.
For this new levo SL, something around 615-620 ett with around 460mm reach would have been great, for me at least. (especially since they reco using a 35mm stem)
  • 2 0
 User: "Personally, my ideal eMTB is still at least a few years away"
Engineers: ...
Managers: MOOORE www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxgHmbM3Ig0
  • 3 2
 So close, but that slack STA and short CS are a real bummer and put me on the sidelines for now.

Here's hoping the new KSL will have the magic sauce.

MK, where is the Relay review?
  • 3 0
 It’s interesting for how similar this is to the stumpjumper evo, that they didn’t do longer chainstays for the S5 and S6 sizes like they do there.

442mm in 29’er mode is at least not mega short. But still low key surprised they didn’t carry over the larger sizes longer chainstays.
  • 2 0
 The lack of a frame brace/side arm looks really cool... hoping that trickles down to the traditional stumpy models in the near future.
  • 3 0
 I quite like the side arm on my Stumpjumper Evo, but apparently yes they are phasing them out.
  • 4 0
 I dunno, it kinda just looks like every other bike now
  • 1 0
 @arrowheadrush: Really? I mean if there was a strut somewhere else near the shock mount I'd say yes. But no strut at all when the shock is mounted to the top tube is pretty unique imo. Can't think of another brand that has that.
  • 2 0
 I wonder if the new Giant Trance with 85Nm and 400Wh hovering around 42-45lbs was left out of convenience or fear? The press release would not be as shiny for the Big S..
  • 2 0
 ChatGPT prompt: "Write a dentist joke about high bike prices so I can win PB comments."
  • 32 1
 "Why did the dentist decide to buy a super expensive mountain bike?

Because he wanted to be able to "crown" himself the king of the trails!"

AI is weird.
  • 1 10
flag hellbelly (May 4, 2023 at 10:34) (Below Threshold)
 @mikekazimer: Shocking as it may be, you might be surprised to find that some dentists actually have a modicum of common sense outside of the office. At least, it would be nice to hear some new quips beyond the tired "dentist bike" clichés.
  • 11 0
 @hellbelly: sounds like somebody has a cavity...
  • 5 0
 @hellbelly: I dunno we had one wander in and wanted to buy a glory for commuting
admittedly I shouldn't bunch all of em together in the same boat
  • 3 0
 What time do you want to ride tomorrow?


- Tooth hurty
  • 2 1
 I always wondered who buys these light ebikes, but as an owner of a turbo levo and an evo, this is really interesting as a one bike. Just worries me its a compromise bike.
  • 5 0
 I like the motor boost of the lightweight but don't really like the heft of a full e-bike. This works in that sweet spot. Good enough power, very similar feel to a non e-bike on the decents.
  • 5 0
 99% of the S-works Levo's I've seen in the wild are ridden in pairs, piloted by late 40's couples... on XC trails with 1.5k gain over 15 miles.
  • 3 1
 People battling their conscience about getting a full fat eeb?
Fit people who don't need so much help?
Unfit people who just want a little boost to ride with people on normal bikes?
People who have to lift or carry their eeb over gates or up mountains?
People who want to retain normal bike ride feel?
  • 4 1
 I did. Love it. Didn't want to lose fitness. Didn't want to lose ability to bunnyhop and muscle the bike around. Did want to get more fun into a fixed amount of time. Very very happy with my choice. 3 hours riding is still 3 hours riding (though when riding with meat-bikes I do need to dial the assist right back) just more fun.
  • 2 0
 @G-Sport: Very cool, thanks for the insights. Im tempted!
  • 1 0
 Why even bother? If you can buy Kenevo SL full enduro rig with better suspension and same geometry adjustments, which weights almost the same.
  • 1 0
 210x52.5mm shock on the old Levo SL. 210x50mm on the new Levo SL. Somehow, the LR of the new one is lower than the old one. What's going on???
  • 3 1
 Shit that’s only like 4 lbs heavier than my Transition Sentinel.
  • 10 0
 Dang, you got a light sentinel
  • 1 0
 @theging: shits 1 pound heaver then my carbon stumpy evo.
  • 1 0
 @theging: lol, Im confident my Sentinel is heavier than this bike.
  • 3 0
 @Trentabartlett: how did you manage to build a carbon stumpy Evo to 39lb? My S4 is 33.4lb ready to ride including CushCore pro in the rear and a water bottle
  • 2 0
 38* pounds. My bad
  • 1 0
 just 800 grams heavier than my giga. (ffs)
  • 1 0
 Im scared to weigh my alloy sentinel lol
  • 1 0
 @sjma: a bunch of stuff stored in the down tube, heavy Stan’s wheel, Cush core, grid gravity and some other bits and pieces. Way to much but I love it.
  • 4 2
 Lmao that Insta vid with Nrml MTBer & Cody Kelley is Fantastic!
  • 2 2
 Must be an embargo on comparing or even mentioning the Trek Fuel Exe/ Pivot Shuttle SL/ Transition Relay in these reviews. Guess we need to wait for a full review eh?
  • 11 13
 Ebikes = more donkey's on the trails they couldnt access before..thus making your local trails more beat than ever before..and I've yet to see an ebikers do any trail work..there to busy blasting by at 15mph.. thinking there hot shit..who cares if u can do 30 miles and 6000 vert ..it's gota freakn motor u dopes..it's like there proud of that..I can do 70 miles and 12000 ft on my moto..so there..
  • 6 2
 Regular e-bikes i somewhat agree. But at the same time alot of people who are really good mountain bikers use them to be able to do multiple laps of trails they wouldnt normally be able to. I dont understand why shuttling a trail multiple times through the day isnt a problem but as soon as you decide to pedal up the road to the top on an ebike people have something to say.
  • 7 2
 @Bulleit90: dude, calm ya titties. I've yet to see 5% of the peeps who ride normal bikes do any trailwork
  • 2 0
 Starting at 8 grand ?? so f*cking disgusting!
  • 1 0
 420w the best with an extended battery, 50 nm….?! No thank you !orbea Rise still far away , another scam specy…thank you
  • 1 1
 @threesixtykickflip: I think you don't see the forrest due to being to focused on the trees. A friend has a rise and it is a great bike.. but the geometry of the thing is, let's say, modest and so is the travel for the frame. In solitude, either are not that much of a problem but combining the modest geometry with the little travel and what you get is a trail-trail bike.. not a real capable enduro bruiser. This levo SL looks perfectly cabable, having a geometry like an enduro bike and the travel to match. cheers.
  • 4 3
 Needs more power range and foot pegs
  • 1 0
 8K for the base model? Super expensive.
  • 1 0
 That Carbon link scares me...
  • 9 12
 “Ideal” Broped is a dirt bike. That’s what people do want. A machine to do the work.

That’s okay-there’s a place for that. And that place isn’t non-motorized trails. Where I see jerks riding their Bropeds on a regular basis.

You can have good, sustainable singletrack for non-motorized users. Or you can have a hellacape of rutted, blown out trails where braap machines are allowed.

Ride Poison Spider. Then ride Mag7-Portal. Make your decision.
  • 1 0
 When the dentist says he needs a new bike
  • 1 0
 How does this compare to the Transition Relay?
  • 1 0
 I would buy it just for the cable routing
  • 1 0
 $15K USD - The Dentists Have Spoken
  • 1 1
 About the same weight as my trail bike, WITH motor? There is almost no reasonable point, why not to buy this thing!
  • 2 1
 Shame on Specialized, these price levels should not even exist.
  • 3 2
 If I was spending £15k on a bike, it would be shaped like an E92 BMW M3
  • 2 2
 Successfully transitioning mountain bikers to dirt bikes which are half the cost.
  • 1 3
 15k USD for an e-bike. What has this industry turned into. That’s a joke! For that price you could buy a brand new Yamaha/Honda/KTM dirt bike and a mid range trail bike lol
  • 1 1
 Correction: The Trex Fuel EXE uses a TQ motor unit
  • 1 3
 12 k for e-bike or 10k for sport bike? My Yamaha R7 was Less than $10k

www.yamahamotorsports.com/models.php?product=32&action=gallery
  • 1 4
 Still not sure it punches at fuel exe weight but looks nice. What do I know though, I still pedal my bike with human power and consider shuttle and park days a treat not to be spoiled by an excess of.
  • 1 0
 Where does it fall short on the Fuel EXe?
  • 1 0
 @ryan77777: not yellow enough, obviously!! I guess mostly that TQ motor design seems really nice. Maybe I'm wrong though. I don't pay much attention to ebike technology, I admit.

In all fairness, if this is anything like my SJ evo, it's f*cking rad.
  • 1 0
 @ryan77777: Motor is louder. It's heavier. Costs more. Other than that it has the exe beat imo altho not by much. The differences in this weight category across the board are pretty minor.
  • 3 3
 Damn, that thing doesn’t even look like an eBike! Good job!
  • 1 1
 Don't Drink It... Discharged It... !
  • 4 5
 Huh. Would you look at that. Specialized actually managed to make a good looking bike for once. Too bad it's an E-Bike.
  • 3 6
 All comments are moaning like “holy mary, 15k for a bike, how expensive it is OMG, what a theft”. Did you all realised there is 3 more level below s-works (pro, expert, comp) and they start from 8k?
  • 3 3
 Found the spesh homer
  • 1 0
 fak
  • 3 4
 Really like how Specialized is making their bike frame aesthetic more feminine…
  • 6 6
 Hey e-bike haters . Y’all need to go do some more shuttle runs.
  • 1 1
 Still waiting for pinkbike.com
  • 1 2
 $4800 for the alloy Evo is not a great price. What kind of edibles are you eating!?
  • 1 0
 No SWAT box
  • 1 1
 *Pinkybike.com*
  • 12 15
 Half ebikes are pointless. That's like a 60cc dirtbike...who rides those LOL
  • 8 1
 Good for my dad who can now keep up with us, and us to ride our preferred pace, and all of us to have each others company.
  • 1 0
 @ryan77777: yeah really, I need to get my wife an ebike.
  • 3 2
 not useless an idiot is born every 10 minutes in North America
  • 1 3
 @madmon: green day said it years ago.
  • 3 0
 @eugenux: sorry i have never listened to "Green Day" .... that said every day for me is a green day
  • 1 1
 @madmon: green day - american idiot ; a very recommendable song.(album, for that matter)
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