Flat Pedal Shoe Review: Ride Concepts vs Scott vs Shimano vs Five Ten

Jun 3, 2022
by Matt Beer  
The flat pedal shoe market is no longer dominated by just one brand, with multiple worthy options being released over the last couple of years. We rounded up three of the newest options and compared them to a perennial favorite, Five Ten's Impact Pro.

A few of the factors that make up the grip of a great flat pedal shoe are the sole's tread depth, pattern, thickness, width, and of course the rubber properties. Flex and traction can be a personal preference or change depending on the intended use. For example, a freerider may not want the bulkiest, stickiest option, which would make floating around the pedals while unweighted over jumps next to impossible, whereas enduro or downhill racers want their feet to remain glued in place and only available to dab when necessary.





Ride Concepts Tallac


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At first glance, you might mistake this pair of Ride Concepts for a Five Ten Impact with its wrap-around sole and upper profile. The Tallac, or Flume in the women's lineup, is the newest of their gravity-based flat pedal shoes and Ride Concepts have done their homework on this one.

On the outside of the shoe is a hard-wearing Cordura mesh that is bonded to Max Grip rubber with a hexagon pattern underfoot. Those six-sided polygon lugs are inverted at the toe and heel when hiking and the rubber is thicker in these areas to add protection. Inside of the shoe at those ends are D3O pads to absorb impacts with an EVA midsole for supple support.

Details

• Max Grip rubber hexagon patterns on toe and heel
• Bonded upper featuring Cordura mesh
• TPU toe and heel protection
• D3O High Impact Zone Technology insole
• EVA midsole for extra cushion and support
• Colors: Black/Charcoal, Charcoal/Oxblood, Olive/Lime
• Sizes: US 7-13
• Weight: 412 grams (size 42, per shoe)
• MSRP: $160 USD
rideconcepts.com

Traction: I've spent plenty of years on flat pedals and scoffed at almost all other Five Ten competitors, but the Ride Concepts' Max Grip rubber comes extraordinarily close to that magical, tacky feel that Stealth Rubber is known for. Off the bike, the Tallac's hexagon tread wins hands down over round dots that lack any square edges, especially in wet loam, grass, or snow. Moving your foot on the pedal isn't impossible, even with tall pins on the Giant Pinner Pro pedals which have become a new favorite, while the thickness and damping levels of the rubber keep your lower limbs nailed down when you apply pressure. The soles are consistent, no matter where your feet land on the pedal because it's very flat and wider than the shoe itself; a very important attribute to feeling stable and increasing the chance of a firm foot hold.

Fit: The tongue is well padded and doesn't slide to the side, nor does it cut into your foot as you pedal or walk. Holding tight, old school laces are hard to beat for even pressure, plus they stay snug and can be neatly tucked into an elastic loop on top of the tongue. A deep, comfy heel cup really latches on to the back of your foot, never lifting or rubbing while hiking either. With a moderately wide toe box and mild arch, these fit true to size, although I did get some hot spots underfoot on the first two rides, which isn't totally uncommon for me.

Function: Sitting on the burlier side of flat pedal shoes, the Tallac is built with a perfect blend of weight, grip, and comfort. It's not a bulky high top, nor is it a skateboard shoe rehashed for mountain biking. There is just the right amount of protection in the toe, on the sides. Coupled with a thin, wide sole that damps vibrations. If I was throwing limbs off for some style points more often, I might want something like the Shimano GR9s with a similar structure but more freedom to declaw from the pedal pins.

The strong Cordura material isn't as breathable as the airy Scott SHR-ALPs and they do take longer to dry out, which is expected when you compare their volumes side by side. Another strong, but less desirable, attribute of the Tallac's was the pungent rubber smell that hasn't subsided since I opened the box, despite a good scrub with laundry detergent.

Overall, the Tallac hit the sweet spot for me. They have an excellent blend of padding to weight, without being complete vapor-lock barriers. That thin, grippy, shock-absorbing sole rivals the Five Ten Impact, plus it doesn't look like a moon boot.

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Pros
+ Wide sole underfoot gives solid purchase anywhere on the pedals
+ Excellent compromise between flexibility and security
+ Max Grip is extremely close to Five Ten Sticky Rubber

Cons
- Harsh rubber smell from manufacturing
- Not as breathable as some other shoes



Shimano GR9


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Although white vinyl might not be everyone's style choice for mountain bike footwear (a black colorway is available), there are plenty of features in Shimano's new GR9 flat pedal shoe. The redesigned GR9 also improves upon the previous iteration with a high volume toe box and an increase to the under-arch surface area for more control on flat pedals. For 2022 the gravity shoes also come with an integrated gaiter to keep out any unwanted trail debris, a padded inner-ankle section, and an elastic lace loop.

Details

• Ultread Gravity sole
• Asymmetric padded ankle protection
• Colors: Black and Smoke White
• Sizes: 38-48
• Weight: 399 grams (size 42, per shoe)
• MSRP: $170 USD
shimano.com
Traction: To sum it up quickly, grip levels are great, but not quite Stealth Rubber territory though. I would place them in line with Five Ten's Freerider Pro for shape and feel - more of a skateboard shoe tuned for mountain biking. You don't feel as engaged with the bike compared to the Ride Concept Tallac. The Ultread Gravity sole's rubber is tacky, although not quite soft enough for the pins to sink in deeply, and I could feel the back half of the pedal bouncing against my foot in rougher terrain.

Fit: I do love the addition of the gaiter-style cuff to defend against debris lodging under your foot while riding, but I wish it was fully enclosed. Attaching just forward of the sides of the talus bone, the gaiter stitching did start to irritate my feet once in a while.

If you have wide feet, these could be your next flat pedal shoe. Once upon a time, Shimano offered some shoes in a regular and wide option; the GR9 could use the narrower option because these are on the larger size in terms of volume. Since these shoes are only offered in full sizes only, I would highly suggest trying before buying.

Function: You can expect to feel more bump feedback through the shoe. The sole is quite stiff with a shallow tread, albeit, plenty wide. That makes them a bit dull to the senses. I would have to mindfully keep my heels dropped while climbing or my foot would bounce forward and off the pedal, but not so much due to the lack of friction, but the lack of damping.

The GR9s are a quality pair of shoes with lots of air flow, adding to their versatility, even though they lean towards the gravity spectrum with their firmness. For a larger rider, this could be a benefit though and could be exactly what you're looking for.

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Pros
+ Well vented, even with gaiter
+ Lots of support in ankles and sole

Cons
- Shallow lugs and firm rubber don't absorb bumps softly
- Gaiter could be taller and better integrated




Scott SHR-ALP BOA


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I'm right there with other flat pedal enthusiasts that are asking for more features when it comes to choosing a shoe: BOAs, gaiters, waterproof, and protection. Scott does just that with their slender offering aimed at all-mountain riding, the SHR-ALP BOA. If you're a fan of old-school laces, Scott offers the exact same shoe without the single wire and dial.

The SHR-ALPs don't appear to be your average flat pedal shoe - they look like they are straight out of the clipless side of the catalogue, which isn't a negative. Their vented tongue and toe box keep the dank air moving out of your socks, even at low speeds.

Details

• "Sticki Rubber outsole"
• BOA® Fit System
• Sizes: 40-48
• Weight: 466 grams (size 42, per shoe)
• MSRP: $119.99 USD
scott-sports.com
Traction: Turning over the SHR-ALPs is when you first realize these are simply a clipless look-a-like. The widely spaced and oddly twisted, hexagon lugs that taper to triangles in the mid-sole use Sticki Rubber. That tread doesn't lead to a lot of the rubber actually touching the pedal pins, so it's easier to re-position your foot on the pedal. The pins play a bit of pinball in the lugs and I would describe the rubber as a middle ground in terms of tackiness and softness when looking back on Five Ten's sticky rubber.

Fit: As a polar opposite of the Shimano GR9 being wide and roomy, the SHR-ALPs are on the narrow and slim side. For my medium-wide, 42 size foot, these were on the snug side through the mid-foot and toe box with a moderately high arch on the insole.

Function: The SHR-ALPs have a more mechanical feel to them, thin and stiff without the same level of damping or all-out grip as Five Ten Stealth rubber, or even the other two gravity-based shoes featured above. Some of this could be down to the fact that the sole wasn't completely flat, or particularly wide. Even when weighted, my foot wouldn't compress the sole to land flat on the pedal. That inner and outer edge across the width of the sole could be felt connecting first or more apparent than the middle.

Installs are dead simple with the BOA closure, but I did desire a tighter fit at the top of the tongue to lock my heel in further. A dual tension system of a BOA lace and a velcro strap would be beneficial here. Not surprisingly, the extra tension needed from the BOA and the short, thin tongue would bite into the front of my foot when I cranked down on the dial system. Otherwise, I think the SHR-ALP would make a great all-day affair shoe because of their light construction, venting, easy on and offs, and moderate grip levels... if I could lock my foot in without that pinch from the BOA wire.

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Pros
+ Highly breathable
+ Solid ankle support for a light shoe
+ Pedal pins sit deeply in tread

Cons
- Sole profile is not flat across width
- Narrow sole might not be for everyone
- Tongue is short and thin




Five Ten Impact Pro


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Five Ten's Stealth rubber formula changed the game for flat pedal riders. Only then did we start to see a resurgence of flat pedal maniacs like Nathan Rennie, Chris Kovarik, and Sam Hill start to dominate the first decade of the millennium. Without their success, may have missed out on Five Ten's entrance into mountain biking. Remember, Intense actually licensed the rubber first but had difficulties keeping their shoes on the market.

Not a whole lot has changed since then either. The rubber is basically the same and the shoes are a hybrid between a soft hiking boot and a totally flat skateboard shoe. Make no mistake though, the Impact Pros are built for mountain biking and cater to the gravity side of the sport with a protective toe cap, traditional laces, and no extra flashy features.
Details

• Stealth S1 rubber
• Quick-dry synthetic
• Impact resistance PORON reinforced toe box
• Compression-molded PU midsole
• Sizes: 6-15
• Weight: 539 grams (size 42, per shoe)
• MSRP: $160 USD
adidas.com

The pair I've kept around for almost four years now has seen plenty of wear and tear, not to mention being drowned through those soggy North Shore winter months, which is why they look a lot more haggard than the others on trial.

Traction: Every time a new shoe brand enters the market, they can't escape the comparison to Five Ten's Stealth Rubber. The Impact Pro's classic dots now alternate between two different sizes. Only the dullest or shortest pins will allow for any adjustment without lifting your foot off of the pedal. Riders who aren't as accurate with their initial foot placement may not like the gluey feeling, but once you land in an ideal spot, slipping a pedal never happens.

The Ride Concepts Max Grip rubber compound and the pattern does give the Stealth Rubber a good run for its money. If the Impacts are a ten out of ten for grip, the Tallacs are a close nine.

Fit: The first qualm I had with the shoes before spending any time in them was the Adidas' method of sizing. That changed from the old Sam Hill Impact model to the Impact Pro, so I had to drop down from a US 9 to an 8.5 for a tighter fit. Secondly, the right shoe's foam through the heel cup dropped significantly and it also started to occur on the left as well. There's simply not enough depth to the heel cup.

I also had issues getting the laces tight enough to lock the tongue down and prevent my heel from lifting. In combination with the already shallow heel cup, this rendered the Impact Pros useless for sessioning or on backcountry adventures, when hiking was frequent.

Function: Similarly to the Tallacs, a wide sole gives a solid feeling on the pedals. This is so crucial to standing stable on the pedals and keeping your foot weighted, avoiding any side loading as you move around the bike, potentially lifting the inside or outside of the pedal pin arrangement - that was my main gripe with the Scott SHR-ALPs.

Coupled with that wide and ultra tacky tread, the sole is thin, yet the rubber helps to damp and vibrations you may get through braking bumps and the like. They feel more alive than the Shimanos and provide positive connectivity with the bike. Breathability and dry time are still not the best, however, those are still small cons I'd be willing to deal with given the levels of traction the Impacts have.

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Used and abused. These Five Ten Impacts served as my main flat pedal shoes when the focus was on pointing bikes downhill.

Pros
+ Stealth Rubber is still the ruler for all-out grip and damping
+ Ventilation and drying time has been improved substantially from previous versions

Cons
- Needs another set of eyelets, longer tongue, and deeper heel cup to eliminate heel lift
- Hiking traction could be improved in soft, wet conditions





Editor's Choice

Will any of these shoes replace the Five Ten Impact Pros as my current favorite flat pedal shoe? For gravity-based riding, I'm on board with grabbing the Ride Concepts Tallac right now. The grip is close Five Ten's Stealth rubber, and I found the fit to be superior.

There are characteristics of the Shimano GR9s that I really enjoyed too, like a massive sense of fresh air keeping your feet cool, even with that gaiter, plus the stiff, tacky sole for staying strong those times I jumped the bike a little too deep. The Scott SHR-ALPs also vent well and I can appreciate the convenience of the BOA. With a few refinements, they could be a great alternative to the bulkier flat pedal shoes on the market.






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174 Comments
  • 71 5
 Should have included the Specialized 2FO Roost Flat…it’s probably subjective but I’ve found them to be a little stiffer and grip slightly better than Freerider Pros. IMO they’re the only 5.10 “apples to apples” substitute at the moment.
  • 3 0
 Same. I have been enjoying mine 2FO's. The rubber is starting to wear down a bit and Im noticing on sustained dh sections my feet start to ache. (maybe the stiffness is starting to decline) But over, been a great shoe. Can hose them off after a muddy/wet ride, put them infront of a fan over night and they are good to go in the morning.
  • 4 1
 I dunno if it's the same with the Roost Flat, but Specialized's 2FO Roost Clip has a lacking toe box. I've never had so many painful toe/rock interactions as with the latest 2FO's. The toe box is too soft, and it doesn't extend to protect my pinky toe either. I'm going to something with a more rigid and longer toe box next time, most likely the Bontrager Rally.
  • 7 0
 And they have the added benefit of making you 2" taller
  • 7 8
 I am tired of 5/10's falling apart after less than a season.... (still have a pre-Adidas pair going strong though). That said, I have heard the Specialized 2FO shoes have a really good grip? How are they holding up for you?
  • 2 0
 I like my 2FO's sole stiffness, but not their thickness. It's a little too tall and platform-like, and i have to exaggerate my heel drop compared to my 5.10s, so the 2FOs feel a little less stable for me in rougher stuff. The grip and fit are good though.
  • 5 7
 @muumuu: That was my thought when I tried them as well. I felt completely disconnected from the bike with the soles being as thick as they are.

Why is everyone so bummed about replacing shoes every season? Folks should probably replace shoes, grips, and tires more often than they do. Skip the fancy fork upgrade and get it serviced instead and and then get your contact points dialed in.
  • 1 0
 @swaldrop: Not complaining about them wearing out after a year. Like you said, seems appropriate to swap yearly. Just an observation thats all.
  • 12 0
 I’d buy off-gassing rubber scented candles if they made them.
  • 4 0
 All they have to do is bring back the old 5.10 Impacts and call it a day.
  • 2 0
 @scary1: Yeah, where is Yankee Candle with my Fresh Rubber and Two-Stroke Pre-Mix candles?
  • 5 5
 I've never tried the Specialized, but I can say my Ride Concepts were all over the pedals and fell apart instantly. I can't help but feeling like money paid to pinkbike was influential in this decision that Ride Concepts shoes are any good.
  • 2 0
 2FO Roost's FTW! I find them to have more grip and be more comfortable than Freerider Pro's. While comfort/fit is subjective many agree with me on the grip levels of the Speshys.
  • 1 0
 @Rudy2455: Which model did you have though? Look through these comments and you'll see there are good and bad 5.10's too
  • 6 0
 2FO roost have the best grip I've experienced. Unfortunately too narrow at the toe box. I have ordered 12 different shoes in the last 10 months because I'm constantly searching for a shoe that works with my wide surgery mangled right foot. As far as Shimano, you can still find the previous generation GR901 which uses Michellin Rubber that is superior to the Shimano rubber found in the GR903 reviewed here. The fit is nearly identical. Although Shimano does not make as many wides, you can see the chart of all the types of lasts they utilize by shoe here: bike.shimano.com/en-US/technologies/apparel-accessories/footwear/last-technology.html Their Volume Tour Last is the best options for people with wide and/or high volume feet. My hope is the shoe brands will continue to make more anatomically correct shoes and evolve from the centuries old European dress shoe last.
  • 3 0
 @cogsci: I've gone through the same thing recently! The 2FO are the narrowest shoes (not just mtb) ever! Five 10 are really flat and while I'm sure they're great, I don't trust their protection. Had really high hopes for RC but they make me tip inwards with my knees pointing together. Ended up with Etnies Culvert which are amazing!!
  • 3 0
 @rickybobby18: The Ride Concepts TNT has a well protected toe box. I've been loving em.
  • 1 0
 @OC-Racing: oh man! Asphyxiation heaven!
  • 2 0
 @muumuu: Same problem. I think the 2FO are very grippy and pretty comfortable BUT the sole is very thick and I also feel their rubber is not very durable - probably on-par or even worse than Five Ten.
  • 1 0
 @rickybobby18: I went with the 2FO DH clip...based on my prior 1st gen 2FO clips I knew I wanted additional protection/padding and actually something a bit less breathable to help keep sand and dust out of my shoes (lots of cool temp desert riding in winter). The 2FO DH did all those things while still fitting the same and being lightweight
  • 1 0
 @Rudy2455: how DARE you!
  • 2 0
 @cogsci:
I also have wide feet, and it’s been a legit nightmare finding wide enough riding shoes. I’ve been running Shimano GR5’s for a couple years now, with the insole removed along with running super thin socks. I tried the GR7 they were too narrow. It’s interesting you mention the GR9’s haven’t tried them yet. What I’m looking into now(when they come back in stock) are the Lake MX 1 flat in wide. They look more like sneakers, but if the toe box is wide enough they should be a win.
  • 1 0
 @Rudy2455: Which model ? I have the Vice and they've been great.
  • 2 0
 @bman33: I’ve had my 2FO flat shoes since 2015. Now I don't ride in them every time cause my other bike has clips. But they’re holding up quite well. The pins have certainly wallowed out the soles in those areas but all the stitching and glue has done well, nothing is coming apart.
  • 1 0
 @KK11: Mine are nearly eight years old now, and as I sit here with three bruised toes, I know they saved me from possibly three broken toes.
Some of the best bike stuff money I ever spent.
  • 1 0
 For this review, perhaps the 2FO DH would have been more appropriate - seen to be getting really good reviews, and aimed at the same rider as the Impact. Finger has been hovering over the Buy button...
  • 1 0
 @mountainsofsussex: Buy them. I've had them for a couple months now, and they're hands down the best shoes I've tried for DH. As sticky or stickier than any 5.10 model, and really nice support for long lift days. I prefer something like a less stiff sole for regular trail riding, so may get the Roosts at some point. That said, I really do love the 5.10 Trailcrosses for trail riding. Not much of a toe box, but super grippy, light and fastest drying shoe on the market.
  • 1 0
 The first couple of generations of the Impacts were such a better shoe than in current years. Especially in fit.

And these (and the Sam Hills) had the perfect balance between pedal ‘feel’ and stiffness for all day heavy riding.
  • 2 0
 @jackalope: I'm not sure whether to say thanks for the review or be cross that you're going to hurt my credit card...
  • 1 0
 Specialized sizing is garbage, so far off that its not even worth order because you have to exchange a few times to find the right size, RC was dead on for me though
  • 25 0
 Shoes. Shoes. Shoes. Oh my God. Shoes.
  • 7 0
 Let's get 'em!
  • 7 0
 These shoes are like $300!
  • 2 0
 quality reference.
  • 5 0
 These shoes rule… these shoes SUCK!

P.S. you don’t text message break-up!
  • 1 0
 Fantastic pull
  • 15 0
 The Specialized 2FO DH is the best flat pedal shoe I’ve ridden.
  • 1 0
 Same
  • 1 0
 Same here!
  • 9 0
 "nor is it a skateboard shoe rehashed for mountain biking"

This is such an outdated reference. Purpose built flat pedal shoes have been around for at least a decade by any reckoning it not longer. "Rehashed" skate shoes aren't being pushed really by anyone anymore, and haven't been for years.
  • 2 0
 Also look at what skaters use these days, most of them are pretty minimal like Janoskis or Cariuma.
  • 16 5
 How are the Impacts considered a benchmark shoe? I see most flat riders with Freerider and Freerider pros….
  • 12 0
 Impact is the benchmark for DH racing and burly park use. The Freerider & Freerider Pro are intended for the daily ride.

Impact is pretty heavy, but if you're a pro DH racer or heavy on the gas in the park, you stay planted, don't smash toes dropping a toe off the front or bruise it when you're dangling a foot off in scree rock or roots.

I run Freerider Pro's for all my trail rides but can't use them in the bike park. My feet get exhausted in thin soles like that. They are slightly less flexible than the Freerider and more water resistant. But for a full day of DH laps, Impacts make a difference for me.


But then there are guys wearing Vans slides and swearing that life is the best in thin stuff.

So try them ALL!!!
  • 7 0
 Oh...and people will try to convince themselves to hate anything....like perfect grip. "I hate being glued to my pedals when I'm being an irrational goon at 30mph over crazy ass roots and rocks. I'd rather have a brand that says Ride Concepts on the side or Specialized. I just can't support the same thing others do. In my mind...I can think up any reason to swim upstream."
  • 5 0
 I find Impacts too heavy and clunky.
  • 6 1
 Uhhh because they are? Have you put in 100's of dh laps in a thinner shoe? These are the gold standard for bike park and dh racing.
  • 4 0
 Five ten freeriders have two things going for them:
1. Grippy sole
2. Durable uppers

The rest isnt even that good. They are heavy, have bad heel retention, absorb water like a sponge, not breathable and have a flimsy paper mache midsole.
They are my favourite flat pedal shoe, but objectively speaking they arent even that good, yet no other manufacturer can even match them for 2-3x the price.
  • 1 0
 @blowmyfuse: If someone can ride park in Vans, they have amazing feet and I hate them for that lol. My feet are wide and weak, with a glass right ankle as a bonus.
  • 2 0
 @endoplasmicreticulum: I guess you're talking about normal Freeriders and not the Freerider Pros. But the pair of Freerider Pros I bought two years ago are definitely not heavy (unless they get wet and then I think they're made from those lead blankets you get at the dentist).
  • 1 1
 @blowmyfuse: I don't understand how people need so much grip, I hate not being able to move my feet around. Swapped from 5 10 to leatt and like them much better.
  • 5 0
 @iridedj: well, your username implies that you're a dirt jumper, as opposed to a serious downhill racer.

If you're racing downhill, fully pinned at 100% and your feet skip even a little or slip on the pedal, it can mean a very big wreck or explosion. In DH racing over random slick/rough/gnarly/chunky terrain when you can't perfectly link every single bit, they're the difference between racing and wrecking.

Feet glued to the pedals or being able to just get part of your foot on after it's been knocked off...and it stays put until you can ride a crazy section out and re-position is critical.

I just saw an old World Cup race win where 4 of the top 6 at Fort William were all running FiveTen Impacts.
I still think there can be World Cup wins galore on flats, but kids have become convinced that DH has to be clipped in.

Suspension setup, bike setup, seatpost height, even reach, bar height...you name it. They all have to be completely different to race DH on flats. And Impacts are the shoe to race DH in if you want to risk it all.
  • 10 1
 Leaving Specialized's 2FO shoes and Crank Brother's offerings out is a disservice to the review. Both are really top not options.
  • 1 0
 What are you complaining? They are not options in this review! (Yes it's a poor attempt at a joke. I blame becoming a dad...)
  • 1 0
 Crank bros have the best design especially the speed lace and boa but the rubber sucks, its too hard and shallow to be useful
  • 14 6
 I really want FiveTen with dual Boa or Boa/Velcro strap up top. My laces get NASTY....
  • 4 1
 Agree, please someone make a flat pedal with a lace cover!!!
  • 3 1
 @REZEN: there is a BOA version of the Tallac (first shot in this review).

rideconcepts.com/collections/mens-shoes/products/men-s-tallac-boa
  • 4 1
 the freerider elc needs to return. My favorite bike shoe ever.
  • 1 1
 @somebody-else: I think they may have said a Five Ten. Maybe Adidas can buy RC and mess them up some time in the future?
  • 2 0
 I agree with this. Not sure why any mtb shoe wouldn't have the velcro strap? For some reason the clipless 5 tens (hell cats I believe) are the only ones that have the strap? I have the high top 5 ten pros and love them though. Love the additional ankle support and protection they offer. After years of racing moto my ankles are fickle. Just wish they had the strap.
  • 3 0
 @adrennan: I'm hanging on to my elc's for dear life. I've got freerider pro's as well, but the elc's feel right-er.
  • 1 0
 @Struggleteam: 510 Kestrels have the strap as well, but once again they are clipless
  • 5 0
 If fiveten made the kestrel pro boa with a flat sole, I’d buy that in a heartbeat.
  • 1 0
 @spankthewan: Theyre even on sale? Say no more!
  • 1 1
 Is there a Freerider Pro that does not have laces? My current freeriders are getting old and worn.
  • 2 1
 @bman33 @REZEN The Ride Concepts TNT has a lace strap. Not a FULL cover but it helps. I made the switch to those from Five Ten a couple years ago and love em. Not as grippy as Five Ten but close and I've found them to be the most comfortable and protective shoes out of the ones I've tried.
  • 1 1
 @bman33: tragedy is that 5.10 used to make a mid-hi version of the Freeriders with a lace cover.

No idea why they discontinued them.
  • 1 0
 @vbjornsson: Yeah, I have some RC TNT's and some 5.10 Freeriders. The Freeriders have a bit better grip, but its because of the super flexy sole it has. The TNT's are super solid feeling with no flex on the pedals, and are definitely my go-to shoe for riding. My 5.10s are only used for hiking or lounging now.
  • 1 1
 You know you can wash not only your laces, but your WHOLE SHOES?? If you're riding in swampy country, totally worth it.
  • 1 0
 @boopiejones: I have the clipless version for trail. While I like the fit my one complaint is that you can blow your foot right out of the shoe with a rock/root strike directly on the boa knob. Had it happened a few times now. Wondering if placement should be moved on top instead of towards the outside? Or maybe just go back to laces.
  • 1 0
 @somebody-else: I have these, pretty good but you can't cinch the forefoot enough
  • 8 0
 Anyone yet the crank brothers flat shoes?
  • 2 0
 Try*
  • 9 0
 pretty good fit, very lightweight, dry fast, fairly stiff. has a nice pocket on tongue for your laces. 8/10 sticky compared to 5 10 rubber.
  • 7 0
 Was gifted a pair of CB Stamp flats s this Xmas, the most comfortable shoe I’ve ever worn, of any kind (mtb or “normal”). Breathe well, stiffness is good so far, dry out well when wet. The grip is 8.5/1 vs 5.10s. The sole has some pin wear but I have about 650km on them in 5 months so I would say they’re holding up as expected. Will definitely buy again once these die.
  • 4 0
 Yep! I love mine. Really comfy for walking too.
  • 3 0
 Yep, as other have mentioned... not quite the same level of grip as 5/10... but it's very close. And then, when you add much better comfort, fit, durability, breathability, quick drying, better water repellency, speedlace system, pocket for speed laces, and a velcro strap... it's no contest.
  • 1 0
 Swapped from Freerider Pros because of the Boa and to try something different. Grip okay, but not as good as the FR Pros. Have to say that they are the most comfortable shoes I’ve worn - brilliant to wear all day. I use Impacts on the DH bike and they are brilliant as well, but just too bulky for trail riding.
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 Yup. They're stiff and light. They aren't as comfy as my 510 freeride pros. They're also not as sticky. I've only had them for about 6 months, but they appear to have better longevity than my 510s - which was my biggest issue with the freeride pros. I put holes in the soles of my 510s right under the ball of my foot in just over a year. That said, I think i'm going to try one of the new Etnies shoes next.
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 I love mine. I had the Ride Concepts Wildcats before and the Crankbrothers are so much better in comfort and grip. I had Fiveten Freerider Pros before both those and still think I like the Crankbrothers overall. Overall, I found my Ride Concepts to be really uncomfortable and the worst as far as grip.
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 @ndefeo96: This is where I'm at now, with my Freerider Pros, and debating whether to just get another pair, or try something different. My fear is if I get anything less grippy than the 5.10s I'll end up hating them and regretting the purchase. The 5.10s were my first flat-pedal shoe transitioning from clipless to flats, and I think the amazing grip is what made the transition nearly seamless (Once I figured out how to get up steep climbs without pulling on the upstroke, like I did with clipless.)
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 @SoCalTrev: crank brother shoes also depends on your pedal. Skills with Phil hated the shoes as he always got pedal slippage especially on wet days. CB shoes were designed with the purpose of using their pedals in conjunction. Several other riders had the same consensus. Its universally agree upon that the brand that is most comparable to Five Ten is Ride Concept. I can honestly say, his shoe review is 100 times more valuable than this article.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzUqf_OF8j8
  • 1 0
 I have the Crank Brothers and hate them. I loved riding in Springcourts, but would drag my toes on g outs. Have moved to RC Vice and love them.
  • 1 0
 Great shoe, shitty rubber
  • 7 0
 How are you going to make "harsh rubber smell" as a con? Are you sniffing your other riding shoes?
  • 2 0
 I think it's code for "he really likes these shoes"
  • 1 1
 The smell doesn’t go away, smells like diesel fuel, also it’s an indication that the rubber will degrade into a sticky mess.
  • 1 1
 @kingbike2: maybe that's for the 420 crowd-Oily Diesel scent
  • 1 0
 It means I am making up a con because Adidas spends a bunch of ad money on PB and even though RC has completely dethroned 5.10 and their now garbage build quality I have to find something wrong with them.
  • 5 1
 Since adidas changed the 5.10 shape to a narrow pointed toebox, I have been looking for a different shoe. Trouble is that I do not want a platform shoe, like the RC seems. I do want a wide toebox that won't deform my feet. Breathability is way more important to me than water resistance. Still looking. Please list stack height in the details! A thin pedal does no good if the shoe sole jacks you way up from the axle....
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 Leatt fits reasonably wide I've found. But the grip is less.
  • 3 0
 The bike industry had its head up its a$$ for a decade regarding flat shoes. I’m sure they asked their sponsored riders/testers “what do you want in a flat pedal shoe?”

I’m sure a lot of those riders said “make them like Freerider Pros or Impacts, but with these changes”.

And companies just kept making crappy, greasy soled junk.

Nice to see companies like RC finally (FINALLY) offering viable alternatives to 5.10 stuff. I might even try a different brand when the current Freerider Pros wear out.
  • 1 0
 I bought a pair of RC Hellion Elites after using various 5.10 for many years. So far I've been really happy with the RC shoes. The grip is almost the same as my Impact Pros. I think it's easier to reposition your foot in general, but I haven't had any issues with my foot moving while descending. The RC have the maxxgrip compound, which is the softest the use.
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 Is there a comparison on the wear?
The fivetens seem to have a shorter lifetime than 10 years ago.
But due to thei availability they are still my go to. I can get Freeriders for a little over 50 euros often in sales
  • 4 0
 Dunno why you were downvoted. Fivetens are my favorite but I cannot stand how quick they fall apart.
  • 5 1
 @Bro-LanDog: race tires don't last long.

If you want more grip, they simply have to be less durable. Anything you add regardless of the imaginary science a company implies, if they make a rubber sole or tire last longer, it will reduce grip.
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 @blowmyfuse: sure but why do they delaminate tho
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 Freerider Pros cost a little more, last a lot longer.

I always find the midsole is shot in Freeriders before the outsole is burned through. The stiffer sole on the Pros seems to last as long as the rubber, and I replace them when my feet are sore from flexy soles/lack of grip on long techy descents.
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 @Bro-LanDog: none of the new versions are doing that? are you referring to the Impact when Adidas first bought the company that literally came completely in half as if the sole had no glue?

That was a big issue, but everyone at that point got an upgrade warranty pair of freebies that didn't have that issue.
  • 1 0
 @blowmyfuse: this was freerider pro's, circa 2018 or so? You could see the skimpy squiggle of adhesive they used between delaminated layers. They performed the best I liked them a lot, haven't bought them since though since they lasted like 6 rides.
  • 5 0
 I liked the 510 where they had the smooth sole that gripped right into the pins. No one makes that anymore.
  • 1 1
 I had a set of freerider VXIs. Had the smooth sole where the pedal went, supposedly it was so they were less grippy and it too less lifting of your foot to move the pedal. They were deadly off the bike, don't even think about trying to walk anywhere if the ground is wet. Much prefer my current freerider pros
  • 6 0
 Still in high top vans because no bike shoe company makes a good high top.
  • 5 0
 They forgot to mention the Achilles Heel of the Impact Pro... The top of the heel gets crushed and packed down.
  • 2 0
 Is the weight listed on the Tallac correct, seen a few other review that say it weighs a hell of lot more than that. For a winter show you can’t beat an Etnies Camber crank - insane water repellent things & grippy & warm
  • 1 0
 Etnies Culvert with Michelin Rubber!!
  • 3 0
 Some kind of sole stiffness comparison would be nice. Some flat pedal shoes feel like you're wearing flip-flops when we're trying to put the power down or landing from a big jump.
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 @mattbeer I tried the RC Hellion two seasons ago and the rubber was brutal compared to any 510 I've had. I ended up putting Dagga pins in my Scarabs, which gripped the Hellions well, but wore deep channels in the sole after ~10 rides or so. Essentially my takeaway was poor grip and poor durability. Did you ride those previous to trying the Tallacs and can you comment on durability of the Tallacs at all?
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 @brettkel I also tried those shoes and found the rubber to be too firm and not tacky. The sole was also narrow and thick feeling on the pedal. The Tallac's are miles better than the Hellion in terms of grip. I haven't had them long enough to comment on long-term durability, but there are no signs of premature wear on the sole or the inside cuff.
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 @mattbeer: Ah ok great to know! Thank you sir
  • 2 0
 The things I’d do to have Five Ten still make replaceable soles you could buy! The beauty of being able to buy those soles and put them on any shoe…. Oh how rad that would be. I’d probably try Crabkbrothers shoes with stealth rubber
  • 4 3
 I bought a pair of Freerider Prime Blue's to replace my old worn out Freerider Pro's. I expected the grip to be the same, big mistake, my feet slip off the pedal all the time now with these things, they are truly terrible, waste of money, i'm done with 510 for the foreseable. I like the sound of the Ride shoes, think i'll pick up a pair.
  • 2 0
 Same exact issue. I have older freeriders that are nice and tacky, just falling apart. Got some new freerider primeblues about 2 months ago wanting to break them in for the summer season. They're plenty broken in but the grip is nowhere near what the old ones are.
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 WTF are talking about? You liked your Pros...so you didn't buy the exact same shoe again. So never buy the shoe you liked again or anything that says the name Five Ten on it?

I literally had the exact same decision to make 3 weeks ago. I looked at all the "cool" variations of the Pros to replace my worn out 2 year old stinky Pros. And I decided not to screw it up and ordered the exact same shoes I had. They're the exact same sole as before. Stealth S1.

pics of this horrible pair of soles please...
  • 1 0
 Did a pedal/hike on the big bike the last week. About a half hour in. both Five Ten soles literally fell off within five or ten minutes of each other. Shoes were not used too much. maybe 20-30 hours ride time on them? Won't buy ever again. Garbage product.
  • 3 0
 Same experience. Prime blue's were made of recycled garbage and rode like garbage. Bought propper freeride pros and it was a night and day difference.
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 The freerider primeblue shoes do not have the same rubber. They have “stealth” rubber, whereas the non-primeblue free riders “stealth s1” rubber. I wish adidas was more clear in their advertising of this.

My first pair of five tens was the freerider pro primeblue. I was slipping around quite a bit on the pedals and didn’t understand why people liked five tens so much. I just bought a pair of freerider pro canvas (which looks like the exact same shoe without the primeblue logo on the back) and they are so much grippier.
  • 2 0
 I had the same experience with Prime Blues. Other 5-10's are still great but these ones definitely weren't a good purchase. I also picked up a pair of Ride Concepts since they had 2021 models on sale and I've been happy with them so far.
  • 3 0
 @jalopyj: I guess my decade plus experience with Five Ten rubber categories helped me.

I did notice on the Adidas website that it said "Stealth", not "S1" or "Mi6". One would think you'd stick with the compound that made you famous, but trying to appeal to every category means other compounds I guess.

The Five Ten website used to have a link in each shoe's description that would take you to the "Stealth Compounds" *PLURAL* page where you could read exactly what the sole you're purchasing did.

Adidas' website has always been garbage. Someone like JensonUSA or WorldWide Cycling would be smart to create a separate page on site to split the differences for consumers.

Provide a service the manufacturer doesn't and gain a happy customer. Beer
  • 2 0
 Freerider Pros are still the benchmark all-around shoe. Regular Freeriders aren't as good, cost less.
  • 2 0
 Exact same experience.
Had to discuss with 2nd level customer support from Adidas for wanting my money back for a used shoe. (Obviously you only find the issue with no grip by riding them)

Got it back though and bought normal Freerides.
  • 1 0
 @blowmyfuse: i didn't say i'd never buy them again, just not in the foreseable future. surely you have bought a new version of an old product before and had the expectation that they have improved something or the very least not made it worse? its not like they advertised the Prime Blues as "being better for the planet but not as grippy on your pedals". I wasted my money, i'm disappointed with 510 (addidas) so they don't get my money next time, quite simple.
  • 1 0
 @2wheelzgood: I get you messed up and they were vague on the soles. But it doesn't change the fact that they STILL make the exact shoe you should be running the Freeride Pro. But you're just not gonna run the best grip because you're bummed. If I bought a mislabeled or unlabeled OEM Maxxis Minion that wasn't the right compound, I'd still buy the right one next.
  • 1 0
 I got the Dakine Drift bike shoes this season on the recommendation of my LBS after having chewed through my five ten's in less than a full season. So far, I'm loving them. The pins really dig into the criss-cross pattern on the sole and I honestly feel like I'm clipped in going up hill. Can't comment on the durability as I've only had them a month but so far I'm a fan. Anybody else try them yet?
  • 1 0
 I’ve got the Scott shoes currently. I’ve been running them for about 8 months and I quite like them. I am a 12/13 wide. I don’t find the toe box narrow. Maybe mine are an older version with a different cut? I don’t think I would go out of my way to buy flat shoes with the boa, I don’t think they provide much benefit for flat pedal riding. If I can find another deal on 2fo I will get them again next, but failing that I will probably get one of the north wave or unparalleled shoes.
  • 1 0
 People that are slipping: i wonder if taking a bunch of pins out of your pedals for a few weeks would help you develop better technique to avoid slipping? You might break your ankles in the process but what doesnt kill you makes you stronger right? Right? Once you go back to full pin youll be locked in!
  • 2 0
 I take pins out of my pedals cuz they have too much grip
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 No mention of midsole stiffness?

Okay, clearly the article is written by so wine who rides clipless, but come on, fit is whatever, sole stickiness is overdone, but sole stiffness is key to understanding the intent of the shoe.

Sole stiffness scale 1-5 out of the box, then reassess after a season if use, this is what we need.

RC shoes are prone to softening up significantly with use, I wouldn’t buy their shoes again with more info on sole stiffness.

I ride the Pearl Izumi mid, boa, nylon midsole, water resistant, instep strap. No if the shoes reviewed can touch it, but it didn’t get reviewed because… Pearl didn’t pay the price of entry .
  • 1 1
 I've run Pearl Izumis-weird long/skinny outsole that doesn't play nice with flats, and a scary combination of lack of feel and horrible grip.

If you've railing chunk, sending drops and hitting jumps, you have to balance sole stiffness/efficiency with feel. Freerider Pros are good from "don't fall" high consequence tech to Trestle park laps to 40-60 mile XC races. Still no other shoe that has quite that bandwidth yet, but RC and Spesh come closest (and may be a better option if they fit your foot better).

Also, if you think you need a stiffer midsole, you might benefit from a better pedal platform-try some Deftraps!!
  • 1 0
 Really enjoyed the article. Mostly cuz I was forced into a 5.10 vs RC comparison of my own, a couple years ago. A pair of pre-Adidas 5.10 VXs (izzat right?), and whatever comparable shoe RC was advertising. And without going into details - my impression mirrors your own. But with one disagreement. And a couple of add-ons - all in RC's favor. I ended up with a mid-high mid-range RC shoe that I loved, but didn't love me. They died a gruesome & untimely death - for which the absolutely golden folks at RC blessed me with a pair of their newest & best. THOSE shoes have been, are, and I believe will continue to be the most amazing foot-coverings I've tried. I have abused these shoes with chains, whips, and the kind of pain one would associate with a mud-happy winter in Oregon's Coast Range - where for a solid 5 months nothing gets cleaned, nothing gets dried. Just gets taken off & put back on every couple of days till it expires from exhaustion. I can't say the shoes look like new now after a busy & active dry season of Oakridge, and one hard wet season of Coast Range abuse - but they haved kicked the soggy butts of any other shoe I can imagine - including whatever aahdeedahs may try to follow-up with. I know it's an older shoe - but there's no way those old VXs could have kept up, even on their best day. And as I recall..., those were some dang nice riding shoes. Which I wore & wore & literally ran to ground. Took a few years, a half-dozen tubes of shoe-goo, and a roll of duct-tape. But they had broken to my foot, ya know? So - as regards reliability & longevity - nod to RC. So far. Early impressions. As to customer service - nod to RC. More on this later. And as to grip? Sorry bud - gotta give that one to RC as well. Hands down. By this time on the VXs, the soles were so chunked out, I was pouring shoe goo in the resulting pits by the tube-full. Again - can't say the RC soles are still pristine - but their durabiliry may go down in the annals of time, as legendary. When I first saw the shoes - I thought there was NO WAY they were gonna hold up. The soles felt like an artist's gum erasure. And they hung on to the pins so tenaciously - I had considered lesser pedals with fewer & shorter pins. To much of a good thing? NOOO!!! I learned how. And the dinky little nips & tucks that the pins have left in those soles are baffling. Why are the soles not SHREDDED?! As it turns out - I could give a RAF. And I sincerely hope that whatever chemist invented that sole material, is getting rich! So anyway. My comments are not the result of timely back-to-back comparison, as yours are. And I feel you did good by giving RC the win. But i believe your article missed on a couple things. 1. Outright grip to the 5.10? Is the Stealth sole material now v.07? I have a new pair of 5.10 approach shoes. Those soles aren't all THAT shit hot! 2. Longevity. I know this isn't intended to be a long-term test. But for me shopping what serve more as boots than shoes - kind of a big deal. 3. Customer Service. So huge. And surprisingly good. Beyond good. Maybe caring. One of the so very few times in my long journey to doterage, that I felt my satisfaction was the most important thing.
  • 2 0
 paragraphs!
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 Giro Latch are a solid option that cover the bases of sticky rubber, good damping, and overall feel is nice. Only downside is they wear out super fast from pedal contact.

Just switched to the Etnies Culvert Mid after hearing many positive reviews on the Etnies line up, and I’m thoroughly impressed so far.
  • 1 0
 The first couple of generations of the Impacts were such a better shoe than in current years. Especially in fit.

And these (and the Sam Hills) had the perfect balance between pedal ‘feel’ and stiffness for all day heavy riding.

I’ve never been riding in my 5Tens and thought ‘I wish they were less grippy’.
  • 1 0
 I have the GR9s and I'd agree. Tacky rubber on the shop floor. Not quite soft enough to sink into the pedal pins fully. I like the stiffness of the sole (for DH) but yeah, the boot does feel a bit dead.

Btw @mattbeer could you please define dead and alive? I'd say dead is when the pedal is doing one thing and the boot is doing something else...
  • 1 0
 If you don't include the Aftons than you didn't even try a flat pedal shoe. The Leatt and the Oneal shoes are also better than the shoes on this review. I'm a dealer for all the brands used and would never again pick any of them. 5.10s have zero quality control. RCs are ridiculously uncomfortable. Shimanos are good but others are better and cheaper. Scott's have zero ankle support for those people that need it
  • 2 0
 I would also add the ION Scrub Amp shoes as well. Been on them for a season and the grip, protection, and comfort have been fantastic.
  • 1 0
 I've got a season on some RC Livewires and agreed totally on the grip comments...the MaxGrip rubber is killer. switched from Freerider Pros because I liked the stiffer footbed
  • 2 2
 Can you include a shoe from Specialized for next round? I bought 3 pairs of Specialized riding socks and would hate to have to switch to a Shimano set up now that I've invested the money. I tried the socks in my buddies Shimano shoe the other day and they don't even fit. Sucks giving into the propriatery Specialized sizing but I love the feel of them.
  • 1 0
 My wife replaced her 5.10s with Shimano GR5s. She got to the bottom of the first descent in the GR5s feeling scared she was going to slip off and went home out of pure self-preservation.
  • 1 0
 WELL SAID Used and abused. These Five Ten Impacts served as my main flat pedal shoes when the focus was on pointing bikes downhill. 5.10 Impact
  • 3 1
 This is an excellent article. Very well put together, and very informative.
  • 3 0
 Still miss the 5.10 carver. Inside ankle protection and a lace cover.
  • 1 0
 Giant Pinners are underrated. Henry's review was influential in me buying a pair and yeah, they're good. And now I might be sold on the Tallacs too
  • 1 0
 PSA: You can buy deadstock 5.10 Danny MacAskills for $50 on eBay in most sizes as long as you can stomach bright blue or red.
  • 1 0
 Considering your comment for AM flat pedal shoes it sounds like you would love the Vaude Moab Tech. Breathable AF, Boa closing and a lot of grip.
  • 1 0
 Bummer about the Scott. I really want a shoe like that, Boa, slim and trim but one that works. C'mon Scott, get your shit in order
  • 2 0
 Want to see someone review the new Planet X Hustle. £45 for a flat pedal shoe? C'mon, please be decent.
  • 1 0
 I like my ride concept hellions fine, I like my impact and impact pros a bit better. I do like that the hellions are lighter, dont like the less stiff sole though.
  • 3 2
 I was 5:10 or the longest time, but their quality is terrible now.
NorthWave Michelin soles have been my shoe of choice.
  • 1 0
 I Agree regarding the Northwaves. I have flat narrow feet and the Northwave Clans were the best fitting and gripping shoe I could find. Tried various 5.10s,spec roosts, giro, shimano, ride concepts. Only other shoe that I liked was 5.10 contact which was discontinued and a half size too small.
  • 3 2
 does anyone else blow through 5.10 soles in a season? I feel like sole durability should be discussed here
  • 2 0
 Grip and wear are unfortunately inversely proportional and there's not really any way around it. Soft rubber is gonna get chewed up by big metal spikes, and softer rubber will get chewed up faster.
  • 2 1
 Freeriders midsole is useless in half a season. Get over a season on Freerider Pros, and the midsole and outsole wear out at roughly the same rate
  • 1 0
 What is it with the reviewer requiring a longer tongue? I've never taken tongue length into account when choosing a shoe.
  • 1 1
 You've got to lick it, if you don't click it?????
  • 1 0
 How does the Tallac compare to Ride Concepts TNT and Powerline? Mainly in grip of course.
  • 1 0
 Seems kind of absurd to list weight on a per-shoe basis in a world where most people wear two shoes at a time.
  • 1 0
 Just bought the specialized shoe after comparing it to the new freerider pro for my DH days, and couldn’t be happier.
  • 1 0
 SHR-ALP shoes with Sticki Rubber.. what is this shit? Is the target customer a 5year old?
  • 1 0
 Etnies MTB Camber Crank is a sick shoe!
  • 1 0
 I'd really like to try the Tallac, but no size 14!
  • 1 0
 Ride Concepts Wildcat for the win. *cheers and applause*
  • 1 0
 May just be me, but I think 6 sides makes it a hexagon...
  • 2 0
 ...or a cube. Ahh, I'm sorry.
  • 1 0
 So have Shimano essentially turned the GR9 into the GR7?
  • 3 3
 What about the vans half-cab for half the price?
  • 3 1
 Vans are great for shorter or mellower rides. Utter lack of midsole support means foot fatigue is an issue pretty quickly though. Wish Vans did offer their shoes with a little stiffer sole.
  • 2 0
 @wyorider: Try the Vans Bmx waffle cup sole, you may like that.
  • 1 0
 @wyorider: I have the vans kyle walker skate shoe (ive never tried flat specific shoes, but as far as using skate shoes on bikes i would say the grip is great), and agree with what your saying about foot fatigue, but if you're tight on cash or stubborn ive noticed that after a few weeks (yeah not overnight) i dont get the fatigue, maybe my feet become stronger. I dont train in the winter so my first spring ride i was feeling the fatique after about 20min of road riding, but now i can go over an hour no problem. And I started clipping in on the road now because i like the upstroke and worry about muscle balance. I've done 100km road/gravel rides before in skate shoes, but late in the season so didnt have a problem with foot fatigue (or my whole body was so sorr that i didnt notice it).
  • 1 1
 @kingsrideshop: still not quite my cup of tea, but for dirt jump shenanigans I'd actually say they work better than just about anything else.
  • 1 0
 Al Bundy knows
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 People still use flats ?







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