Going in a completely different direction to
their KFX SIC Integrated carbon handlebar and stem combo, FSA also had this nearly as wild-looking Gradient OS35 DH direct mount stem just asking for some attention in the booth. Honestly, it looks so different that I wasn't entirely sure what it was at first, but the two-piece design is a pretty clever way of eliminating the four steel bolts that would usually be used at the faceplate. Instead, the two halves literally wrap around the handlebar and up to the mounting points, clamping it down as you tighten it onto your fork crown. That means less weight, but the downside could be (I didn't try) that it's a bit finicky to install versus to a more traditional design.
As the name suggests, the Gradient OS35 is made for 35mm diameter handlebars only, and it comes in a single 45mm length that's said to weigh 153 grams without the included 5mm height spacer or 173 grams with it. The oil-slick finish is the only color offered and I am 100-percent down with it.
I've rambled on and on about my love for Tioga's admittedly weird-looking seats, but I swear that's because they work well for me and not just because of the high strangeness factor. Their very flexible shells and general shape fit my underside, so I'll definitely be trying out the new Undercover Stratum Max at some point in the near future. It features Tioga's SpyderWeb base that's designed to be far more forgiving than a stiffer shell used with most other seats, and Tioga even says they've tuned how quickly it rebounds under your bum.
While they still have their bare-bones Spyder seats, the Undercover Stratum Max gets something called Re-Activ Performance Plush Foam. It also has their Immersion Relief Groove that's basically a much wider than usual center cutout intended to work for both aggressive and more upright riding positions.
Headset cable routing probably isn't going to disappear, regardless of how much some of us dislike it, so it's up to companies to figure out how to make it better. Token's Cable Box system is aiming to do exactly that, with the MB-Box version designed specifically for both mountain bikes and e-bikes while also incorporating an integrated steering-stop feature. The system consists of a two-piece top cover with openings for up to six cables, each with an o-ring seal at the entry point to limit the amount of grime that can get inside. You can fill unused holes with plugs that come supplied from Token, and there's also a secondary seal that sits below the cover and above the compression ring. MB-Box also uses a clever, two-piece expanding lower headset cup that will compensate for any out-of-tolerance issues with your headtube while also making it easier to install and remove; no hammer required. That said, I have no idea if this thing is any easier to work on than other headset cable routing designs.
The Rotation Block system uses a split crown race that's clamped in place, with a grooved inner surface intended to keep it from spinning on your steerer tube. That's an important element as two small extensions off the crown race act as the steering stops when they come up against a central extension on the inside of the headset cup. I definitely didn't describe that as well as I could have, but it's late in Taiwan and I've had seven bubble teas today, so it is what is. One final detail worth mentioning is the small (and replaceable) PU bumpers on each of those wings, meaning that it's not just metal smashing into metal inside of your headset every time you crash.
Token says that the MB-Box system will fit ZS56/ZS56 1.5" and ZS56/ZS66 1.8" headtubes.
Some road bike companies that are able to create frames with correct press fit tolerances have frames that will last you a lifetime (Time for example).
Currently my pf bb is made of nylon of some sort I think so no danger of that occurring there but if I had an alu bb then you're saying the same would occur?
Nothing wrong with pf of course but changing the bearing means a new bb if you're using the nylon ones.
I've worked in shops for years, I have bikes with both threaded and press fit, and I just don't see the advantage of threaded.
Really in most cases, threaded bb is just a thread in press fit interface. Yes, it is easier to manufacture with the right tolerances, but on reasonable quality bikes I haven't seen the press fit inferiority the Internet talks about.
No.
Incredibly common Internet Engineer mistake to misread galvanic tables (I can use google look at me! I'm a real engineer now!) and conflate "aluminum" with "anodized aluminum".
But for aluminum frames, the opposite is true. They should all be threaded, it's a lifetime and reliable solution with fewer failure points.
Horses for courses.
I bet they do when the (lack of) sales figures make thier way to the board..............
Our only true hope is that every bike reviewer bitches about headset cable routing on every review for a bike that has it. I'd like to think that a majority of people at least read a review or two before buying a bike.
Rorschach.
Every PB commenter:
Can't afford these crazy high prices.
Performs all service on their bike.
Loves new things.
Hates new things.
Wants new things (but can't afford them).
Not a dentist.
If you didn't laugh at this, you're far more mature than me.
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However if companies just sold those, the profit margins would be thin, and nobody would innovate or research because there would be no money left. So companies have to continuously invent problems and market solutions to those problems. Its a double edged sword though because despite all the fluff, the innovation sometimes does result in just overall better product for the same price.
I guess its a highly personal thing. If a person was having those problems, then internal routing would correct them. None of the problems you listed are ones that ive ever personally had, so for me, internal routing has zero upside. Aesthetics is personal preference as well, sure it looks nice to some folks, but that isnt important to me. Im much more interested in my bike working every day, and being easy to fix if something does break.
maybe its the sort of thing where internal fits better with high end carbon frames where the aesthetics are high on the priority list. I just got a new bike, and its just a normal alloy trail bike. Ill ride it for 7 to 10 years, and i just want it to work every day. Its going to get dirty and hit by rocks and i might even crash sometimes. Thats going to be more of a problem aesthetically than the cables being on the outside. I understand if youre the sort with a very expensive bike, who gets a new bike every year, then what it looks like is going to be higher on the priority list. For normal people like me, with a bike thats going to get ridden every day for years and years, internal routing is a con in every way. I respect that the calculation is different for other folks, but i wish that the industry respected the needs of people like me as well.
Thanks for taking the time to talk with me about it, cheers
Or, you know, just don't and it will actually go away.
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