Pinkbike Poll: Do You Need Downtube Storage?

Mar 8, 2024
by Seb Stott  
specialized enduro 2020

The idea of cutting a hole in a bike's downtube to fit tools or snacks inside seems to be getting ever more popular. The concept was probably introduced by Specialized's Stumpjumper Carbon back in 2016 (let me know if you know of an earlier example). Back then, Specialized admitted to a roughly 200 g weight penalty for the system but argued it was worth it for the convenience of having all the essentials on board and ready to go.

Stumpjumper 2016

Recently, the idea has been picked up by many brands and implemented in both carbon and alloy frames. But in my view, most don't quite match the execution that Specialized pulled off. Some downtube doors are too narrow to get much in - even fishing out an inner tube can feel like a surgical procedure. Others can rattle when a full water bottle is installed onto the cover.

Orbea Rallon 2022
The Orbea Rallon has a narrow slot that makes it tricky to get larger items in and out.
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The door on my Hope HB.916 test bike rattled slightly with a full water bottle mounted to it.

If you only have one bike, having a few essentials permanently in place can be appealing, but if you have multiple it's often a faff to switch them over and make sure you always have everything with you. Putting weight in the frame and out of your pack is certainly a good thing for handling and fatigue in principle, but if you can only fit an emergency tube, a pump and a tire lever, it's not like we're shedding kilos from our shoulders.

Besides, it's not hard to strap such items to the outside of a frame (perhaps in a watertight frame bag) without cutting a hole in the frame. If we are going to store things in the downtube, I'd rather see bespoke water bottles or bladders that slot inside and can be removed for refilling (Specialized does this with the Stumpjumer EVO); that way you could offload a significant amount of weight into the frame and carry enough water for rides that are too long for a single water bottle (anything over 1-2 hours in warm weather).

But what do you think? Is downtube storage a must-have or a gimmick?

What's your take on downtube storage?



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309 Comments
  • 218 6
 It's clever and useful if it works with the frame design. But I would hate for frame manufacturers to make this a priority. I wouldn't want manufacturers to either add much weight (for reinforcement), or conversely to weaken the frame to make this happen.
  • 256 12
 Agreed, I'd much rather see them prioritize things like cables going into the headset, rather than this gimmick that doesn't provide any useful benefit. ;P
  • 13 0
 @ncrider5:Ha! Sarcasm.
  • 14 2
 Gonna be some big ol' steel tubes to get any decent DT storage so I'll pass.
  • 10 0
 @fartymarty: Yeah I wouldn’t purposely avoid the feature, but as a steel enthusiast I don’t think I’ll ever have the option.
  • 26 0
 @sfarnum How about 2 bottle cages, one can be a water bottle and one can be a storage pot?
  • 2 0
 @JungleT: Two bottle cages is the dream, especially with accessories like the Wolftooth Cargo Cage if you need to pack something bulky. My Chromag only has one cage, so I’m stuck with a backpack if I can’t fit snacks in my pockets or if my 36 oz Soma farther bottle can’t cut it on a hot day: www.somafab.com/archives/product/further-water-bottle-36-oz-general-ripper
  • 4 17
flag taprider (Mar 8, 2024 at 15:43) (Below Threshold)
 @ncrider5: actually being forced at gun point to take either in-tube storage trunk or cable tourism, I would take the cable routing.
but, I'll keep my own bike longer rather than being forced to buy either
  • 5 0
 @ncrider5: Nah that frame space is needed to hide the rear shock cause uhh... reasons -Scott probably
  • 9 1
 200g is a decent amount, but even a small pack is around 500g empty (but let’s be honest, you’ve been toting around that forgotten Clif Bar in the bottom of your pack since your last race in 2016, and probably an extra light battery since last winter). The experience of a non-schwetty back is worth it IMO.
  • 5 2
 Specialized said to add the storage on the alloy stumpy Evo, adds a whole pound to the frame vs not having it. Some people pay a lot of money to save a pound…
  • 2 1
 They need to concentrate on making their large and xl frames have a seat tube shorter than 450mm and having a max seat post insertion>300mm, if they can’t achieve this, they need to fire them for even thinking about storage, water bottles and cable routing. This is the biggest non-starter and these idiots are worried about everything else.
  • 7 0
 @FatSanch: My Evoc 0.3L saddle bag only weighs 41 grams.

It fits two 29” Tubolito spare tubes + Tubolito patch kit, my Fabric 16-in-1 multitool (includes a chain breaker), my Unior cassette remover. This all together including the saddle bag weighs about 350 grams in total.

I find 200 grams for this internal storage space to be ridiculously heavy and to be not worth the weight penalty.
  • 2 1
 Some last bikes' updates from certain manufacturers who had nothing else to propose have only been that storage.
No baguette, cheese and wine bottle storage is a failure for me anyway Smile
  • 2 0
 And since when was that ever a concern? Have we been seeing frames with storage snapping or heavy frames with storage?

Your comment is on the same level of usefulness as Cable Tourism.
  • 2 0
 @Mattin: saddle bags don’t play nice with droppers and long travel frames, get covered in crud, and look like poo. I prefer the cleaner, heavier solution that doesn’t interfere with moving parts. Good thing both solutions exist to make us both happy.
  • 2 0
 @JungleT: For pot storage of course.
  • 2 0
 @JungleT: That is what I do...a decent size water bottle and a Giant waterproof bottle shaped zipped toolbox.
  • 58 7
 Yes!
But more importantly!
We need lighter bikes!
That we can fill with useful stuff!
Which makes them heavy again!
Therefore we need even lighter bikes!
To fill with even more useful stuff!

And repeat until bored….
  • 24 0
 You think I put things in the bike I wouldn't be carrying otherwise? Lol
  • 28 1
 @Bro-LanDog: Same magic thinking that a 1 pound lighter bike will compensate for being 20 pounds overweight.
  • 11 3
 Ngl I was bored at "we need lighter bikes".

I need a lighter belly and to hit the gym more if my bike ever feels heavy.
  • 22 7
 @L0rdTom: if you were fitter and stronger AND your bike was lighter think how much better that'd be.

Stupid argument
  • 7 2
 It's a trend. Every new bike is heavier than predecessor.
  • 13 1
 @gulogulointhearctic: Yeah, roughly a couple minutes in 2000m gain day.
Everybody that thinks 1kg on the bike is going to make a significant difference in time has never ridden with a power meter.
Now, if you change tires then you can easily save +20watts in rolling resistance.
A kg in the total weight is not even saving you 5 watts unless you're really really light, which in the MTB community is a rarity.
  • 8 1
 @dick-pound: For a trail bike or DH bike sure. But if you are racing XCO than that KG can be a big difference.
  • 2 1
 Create problems. Create solutions.
  • 6 3
 @jolyzara: I don't even think it makes such a difference even for XCO. If you look at the top guys or girls they're not what you'd call skinny. Most of the courses have very short climbs with discontinuous efforts were max power and being able to surge over and over again is what makes the difference. You need way longer and more sustained climbs to make w/kg matter.
I would bet that if you ask any of the athletes whether they'd rather have an extra kg with also an extra 10 watts in their legs or stay the same, they would much rather take the extra kg and watts.
Even the women top contenders, where weight would make more of a difference they are nowhere near as skinny as the road cyclists.
However, optimising everything, including weight, rolling resistance, aerodynamics, drivetrain efficiency, etc...will make a difference as a whole.
I would say that the MTB category where weight might make the most difference is XCM.
  • 2 0
 edit: deleting this word vomit.

Weight matters yo
  • 3 1
 @gulogulointhearctic: yes if you could have everything then have everything, but I don't want lighter, I want more durable and affordable. You can't have all three!

Saving a few seconds on the climb is very, very low down my list of priorities for a bike.
  • 1 0
 @Bro-LanDog: You think we all put things in our garage we wouldn't be keeping otherwise? LoL
  • 2 0
 @dick-pound: XC bikes keep getting burlier. You would think of the top pros cared that much about a KG they would still be riding a hardtail with a 100mm fork. But instead they are on 120mm full suspension bikes with dropper posts.
  • 53 10
 I don't carry shit with me anymore. It's so rare to have problems on a decently maintained bike that I'm willing to accept going for a walk if something breaks Replace your chain once in a while Fix slightly bad indexing after a ride or before Keep brake levers just loose enough that you can twist them by hand Set a decent tire pressure Rarely even need a tool on a ride
  • 8 0
 Kinda the same for me, one up tool in the steerer is nice but im usually using it to adjust my seat or levers because for some reason they feel different, rarely ever for repairs to keep riding.
  • 4 4
 Seriously this is the same for me. I remember like in 2014 having the fatest multitools, tubes, Co2s, really almost everything you would need. Now I carry hardly anything. Especially with a ton of people.
  • 5 0
 And half the time I’ve had to walk anyway cuz it was something irreparable like a broken crank
  • 3 0
 This is the way
  • 12 0
 I used to ride a lot with a guy like you. He uses my multitool probably as much as I do, and must owe me hundreds of £/$/€ in all the spare tubes and snacks I've given him when he's pinched a tyre or run out of energy halfway round a 3000ft ride. I guess if your strategy works for you, then fine but these days I ride on my own a lot and I use the stuff I take with me and I appreciate that a 15 mile walk home because I didn't bother bringing a pump/tube/repair plugs isn't worth the risk.
  • 5 0
 @thebabbizarm: mooching off other people says more about character than strategy
  • 2 0
 This is how I am leaning. For short after work rides outside of shoulder season, I don't feel the need to bring anything. Bikes and components are so good these days. And as others have noted, when something does break, it is usually catastrophic and no multi-tool, zip ties, duct tape, etc. is going to fix it. During shoulder season, I typically wear a pack for warmer layers or to stash warmer layers as it warms up. I keep a tube and inflator strapped to my frame on the nifty mounting points on the bottom of the top tube.
  • 43 1
 I have a Stumpjumper EVO with it, and. Spur without. I do sometimes wish my Spur bad it, but it’s certainly not a deal breaker IMO. Awesome use of space, and would like to see more companies follow suit.
  • 21 4
 A shop person once told me that a bike company told him that adding downtube storage adds up to 1 lb of weight to a frame due to the extra material required to reinforce the carbon down there. Is this true for all frames? If so, is 1 lb extra worth it?
  • 24 22
 @Jvhowube: I will drink one less beer and can basically save that weight.
  • 25 0
 As long as it doesn't have thru-headset cable routing, any modern mountain bike is good with me.
  • 10 0
 @adrennan: those two things don’t have to be mutually exclusive.
  • 7 3
 @Jvhowube: If my bike weighed 5 extra pounds, it would still be worth it to me, on my trail bike.
  • 5 2
 Put a top tube bag on the Spur (look at the Apidura Backcountry 1L rear). Use that for daily items like snacks and a layer. Use the tool mount for a tube/CO2/multi tool. Use the bottle bosses under the down tube to mount something like a Specialized keg for the rarely needed items (first aid, derailleur hanger, etc).
  • 7 0
 @adrennan: not worth it
  • 9 0
 I’ve had quite a few bikes with it. My 2017 enduro was rhe first and did make use of it on big hike a bike days in the Alps (mainly for stuffing it with Haribo). But since then I’ve had a hope 917 with it and haven’t used it once. I’d rather 1lb of weight saving tbh
  • 8 2
 @Jvhowube: I doubt that's true across the board. The alloy Stumpy Evo is pretty light for a modern aluminum frame. It's literally less metal for the hole and just a plastic frame that screws into the frame.
  • 4 0
 @Jvhowube: my sj evo is under 30lbs with pedals and cages. Im happy to have the extra storage.
  • 2 7
flag zazu218 FL (Mar 8, 2024 at 13:26) (Below Threshold)
 @Jvhowube: An extra pound just makes you faster on the downhill. If you are really worried about it, just don't drink any soda the day before and you're chillin.
  • 3 6
 @Jvhowube: I’m no engineer but since its the internet I’m gonna say that the hole is cut in a low stress area that didn’t really need the material anyway?
  • 2 0
 @adrennan: That is not an option!
  • 4 0
 @Jvhowube: You might add weight to the bike, but you also cut weight by not carrying a pack anymore.

Either way, weight aside, I loved having storage on my stumpy. It wouldn't be a deal breaker, I bought a bike without it, but definitely a tie breaker if I'm torn between bikes.
  • 1 1
 @Jvhowube: makes sense that it’d add weight, the reinforcement alone plus lid would add weight, then it’ll get stuffed with stuff, adding more weight.

A pack keeps you honest, you can feel the weight, it allows you to have an educated choice as to how much you carry,

Downriver storage is a thneed.
  • 1 0
 @Jvhowube: if that’s true then no it’s not. Unless you are just doing uplift you can’t carry enough in it to avoid having to carry a bag so why bother
  • 2 1
 @chrismac70: but it does allow me to not carry a bag... everything i need for a 1-2 hour ride fits in/on my frame
  • 2 0
 I don't care about bike weight. I care about a silent bike, and all storage doors start to rattle if you carry a bottle attached to it. I can carry a tube strapped to my frame but I can't stand a rattling latch that I don't need..
  • 1 1
 @Jvhowube: I highly doubt that it adds a pound of weight. I also find that alot of "shop guys" don't know what they are talking about.
  • 1 0
 @adrennan: Be honest. Will you?
  • 27 1
 Didn’t think I’d want it, until I got my Stumpjumper Evo, which has particularly good downtube storage, and I really like it. Packless riding is brilliant.
  • 6 0
 Same here with my Stumpy ( have a few other rides). Didn't realize how much I liked it till I actually had one.
  • 2 1
 is it really a replacement for a pack, or a very small bum bag? I have 2 sizes of fanny packs and appreciate being able to swap based on the ride/length. I could see myself keeping a few things in the frame pretty much permanently though, kind of like the spare & tools in your car.
  • 1 0
 @plyawn: for my local daily rides, that is what mine is, the basic spares/tools. For longer rides or out of town trips, add a few more items.
  • 3 0
 @plyawn: Its an afterwork ride kinda pack replacement. Longer / epic rides you still need it - mostly for water IMO.
  • 6 0
 Packless riding + if you need extra water it's now at the lowest point on your bike instead of on your hip or back. I've also stuffed jackets in there on days with variable weather. Will not buy another all mountain or enduro bike without it.
  • 1 1
 @plyawn: tools, tube, pump, snacks and water or a jacket.

I also have a pack and a bumbag, since having this bike I’ve only ever used the bumbag.
  • 3 0
 @wolftwenty1: last year in the Alps, where there are plenty of water supplies, I was able to get some big mountain days in without a pack.
  • 2 0
 @BarneyStinson: Even better. No pack/fanny is always better than having one.
  • 1 0
 I like my swat box for putting a lightweight jacket and tube into, but that's it. Anything else I would need more frequently is annoying to dig out of the box. I have a second bike with no frame storage so I was strapping a tube and tools to the frame. Also annoying to undo the straps and lay everything out on the ground to find what you need then put it all back together again. My fav combo is a tube strapped to the frame or inside the swat box, and multitool/links/plugs/etc inside my Oneup pump that is mounted to my water bottle cage. I can easily swap the pump to whichever bike I am riding and always have what I need and can get from my pump in seconds if I need it.
  • 1 0
 I've had 2 Stumpy Evo's with it and now have Slash - the Specialized version is definitely better.
Could live without it, but really appreciate having it. I always ride with a super-light hip pack, but the downtube storage means I NEVER forget the tube, puncture repair kit (rarely used, but also houses a quick link and some other bits), tubeless sealant topup and a multitool. Both brands came with a little wrap to stop items rattling in the frame.

They're very useful.
  • 25 5
 Bought one recently with it.... ended up emptying it out and strapping tools under the top tube. Unless you have it full it's just bouncing around down there. The only useful bit is having a place to stuff a jacket that I want to take off during a ride which is just so rare I don't care. Future frames, I'd prefer without.
  • 11 1
 I also can't figure out what to put in there or how to use it. I've had the same granola bar in there for 3 months now and nothing else. I'm sure if I did more research and potentially bought something specific for this application I could figure it out, but no luck so far. And good luck getting any of my rain jackets in there. Not happening.
  • 17 0
 @TEAM-ROBOT: The Patagonia Houdini is the perfect jacket for frame storage. But who are we kidding, you don't need that in LA.
  • 7 1
 I have the Stumpy Evo and it comes with a tool bag that fits perfectly in the cavity. Without that I have no idea what I would put in there either. For future bikes I really don't care if it has storage or not.
  • 17 0
 @p2rida: Although a $120 jacket I never use is the perfect accessory for my $4300 carbon mountain bike frame
  • 8 0
 My Trek came with a nice ditty bag that fits in there. I’ve yet to hear a peep from it. I do like having the storage, may as well use the massive tubes for something other than structure and a billboard. It’s not a dealbreaker for a new bike not to come with it. As long as there isn’t some proprietary B.S. or headset routing I’ll still consider a bike without frame storage. However if two bikes are next to each other, one has frame storage and headset routing, the other has no storage and traditional routing, I’m buying the later, not the former.
  • 11 2
 @TEAM-ROBOT I have a 2023 Nomad that has frame storage. In that frame storage I have; a 1up 70cc pump that has a co2 canister stored in it (the oneup pump has a co2 head built into the head of the pump), a tobolito 27.5 tube, park tool tire levers x2, AXS battery/controller battery, slab of bacon tire patch kit, wolftooth chain pliers, small section of x01 eagle chain with 2 quick links. I keep a oneup edc lite installed in the steer tube for multi-tool usage.

Each of my bikes have their own tool kit based on their intended usage, so all of that stuff lives in there full time.
  • 3 0
 I have a spare cable, Wolftooth chain tool, bottle of sealant, pump, zip ties, derailleur hanger, snack bar, and tire plugs. Multi tool in the headset.
  • 2 0
 I'm with you, I have a stumpy evo and unless that storage bag that comes with it is jammed full it just bounces around making unwanted noise. The only thing I store in there now is a spare tube.
  • 4 1
 @TEAM-ROBOT: Get some trail running water bottles from Amazon and put them in there on long rides. I store 1L of water in my bike + a 21Oz bottle + the One Up EDC pump for any trailside fixes. Packless riding is amazing.
  • 4 1
 @TEAM-ROBOT: seems like a hoarder's hole. Haha "well I might need it someday!" I had one but did not use it. Either pockets or pack holds my stuff and I don't carry extra stuff as I have not had the need.
  • 2 0
 @minimusprime: at first in your comment I read 'Toblerone' as in the candy instead of 'tobolito' and thoght: "Damn, that's a great snack idea!" lol
  • 2 0
 I have a 22 SJ EVO and I keep an ankle sock stuffed with a OneUp pump, extra quicklink, and a tire lever. I also fold up a tube slide it up into the downtube. Stuffing it into a sock has eliminated any noise issues.
  • 1 0
 @TEAM-ROBOT: Pump, tire levers, CO2, plug kit, first aid, etc. Roll it up in a tool wrap and you're good to go. Not sure what bike you have but some bikes come with specific bags to limit bouncing. Either way, if you roll things up well enough it shouldn't be too bad.
  • 1 0
 @BikesBoatsNJeeps: 100% agreed.
  • 3 0
 @afterbangin: ^^^ Only acceptable use of ankle socks when cycling.
  • 1 0
 @p2rida: That's what I pack into my Swat box. It packs down so small and is comfortable to pedal in. I also have a 7mesh Copilot as well but don't need that day to day in Kamloops in the summer so I don't bother having it clogging up my frame storage. I bring on trips to the coast and it straps to the frame but can also fit it into my Swat box if I do some rearranging.
  • 14 2
 My biggest issues with frame storage is that if a bike doesn’t have it now it is always marked down as a negative in reviews.
Should a convenience item be considered on how a bike preforms?

I don’t buy the theory that down tubes on bikes are getting bigger so that they look more like e-bikes, but I don’t like the massive down tube look, it’s quite refreshing to see a modern bike with slim tubes.
Then there is the weight issue, bikes are heavier now and these holes cannot help in that department.

Got a bike with it, I use it but would happily not have it. I always take out the bags when I wash the bike as they just get damp. Seen this problem with a lot of other makes.

I have had another bike without it and with a One Up tool and a tube strap been able to hold everything with the addition of a slim hip pack (used for phone, keys and snacks). I still use that with my current bike with storage.
  • 2 0
 Convenience items should definitely be considered. If bike A performs 95% as well as bike B, but the bearings last 3X as long, or it doesn't have some proprietary standard, or it can hold a bottle/tools/shit in the down tube, I know which bike I'd be choosing.
  • 2 0
 @N-60: Yes you are right on that.
The point I was trying to make was that when a bike is reviewed nowadays if it hasn’t got internal storage it seem like it’s automatically marked down as a con.
  • 13 2
 Where’s the frame bag option?

Serious question: much easier to access while riding, generally holds more stuff and is removable if you don’t like it or need it…

Pork chops for the win!
  • 2 0
 Frame bag? Go back to NSMB!
  • 1 0
 @saidrick Pork Chop has been my favorite upgrade to my bike. Packless riding is a game changer for me.
  • 1 0
 Frame Bag space is a huge consideration for my next full-sus bike. I've got one on my hardtail and fatbike, it'd be hard to go without one at this point.
  • 8 0
 I'm riding steel frames so I might be able to get a peperoni stick inside if I had internal frame storage. Doesn't seem worth the bother. I can just tape on to my bars for an emergency snack.
  • 2 0
 Do you have any in-frame cable routing? Some of that water seal stuff at the bottom ports and fill it with vitagreen shake. Avoid inverted tricks.
  • 2 0
 Yeah, on the steel frame Oneup pump with EDC tool inside mounts next to the bottle cage, tube and tire levers get strapped to the seat tube. Honey Stinger waffle will be fine in my pocket. What else do you need?
  • 6 0
 Its a must have for me. Current Specialized Enduro. In it I keep first aid, tools, Granola Bar, code brown supplies, sometimes a small soft side hydroflask. Most of my rides have a long climb before the descent. So I pull the cheek pads from my full face and stuff them in there instead of my pockets. If I have my gopro, it goes in there as well. If I'm going for a particularly long ride, I'll grab the hip pack for more water and food.
  • 10 1
 You apparently carry more in your in-frame storage than I do in my backpack. And why would you bother putting liquid storage inside the frame?

Good idea for the next poll: Do you carry emergency TP on your rides?
  • 3 0
 @plyawn: The water would be extra if its a really hot day. I keep a bottle in the cage. The first aid kit is pretty small, but it has come in handy at least once.

I personally have not had to use TP, but friends have been thankful that I do. I also carry a lot of zip ties in there. They take up very little room. A friend broke off his shifter and we used 5 of them to secure it in place. worked for the whole day.
  • 4 0
 @plyawn: Do you carry emergency TP on your rides? Yes! Not many good natural options when riding in the desert
  • 5 0
 @artistformlyknowasdan: lolol i do stuff some napkins from the taco bell in my pocket sometimes
  • 1 0
 @plyawn: socks, in a pinch
  • 4 0
 @Dogl0rd: taco bell before riding is a bold move
  • 2 0
 I bet you're getting some must-see footage with that gopro inside the down tube.
  • 2 0
 As someone who doesn’t use their in frame storage and has had to drop one during a race, a code brown kit is what I am putting into my frame!
  • 1 0
 @OvaltineJenkins: Lol its for the climbs. Not a whole lot to see. But i guess thats not much different when i turn the bike downhill. Lol
  • 2 0
 100% agree. I also have the current Enduro, and the in frame storage is a huge plus. It houses my trailside repair items + extra tube and CO2 canister. That allows me to ride with a minimal hip pack (I prefer a bladder/hose to water bottles so I can easily drink while spinning up technical climbs) which just streamlines the whole experience.

I'd be curious to know from an actual frame designer if adding in-frame storage actually impacts total frame weight. Even if it does, it's easily worth 1-2 lbs. for me. I am rather fit and very lean and weigh almost 200 lbs. Doesn't make much different to me if the bike weights 37 vs. 38 lbs. That is a 0.4% difference in system weight, and allows me to do away with a pack or frame bag of any kind.
  • 1 1
 @plyawn: For people riding in forested areas, code browns are dealt with a bit of moss or green leaves easily enough. Ten years of treeplanting have shown me TP in the forest is not necessary.
  • 1 0
 @plyawn: mountain money
  • 1 0
 @KJP1230: I have been thinking about going back to the bladder hip pack combo. I drink a lot less water on the climbs since going back to a bottle. But no pack is super nice
  • 6 0
 Keep all of your essentials in the downtube (or steerer, or bars, or whatever), and whenever you want to grab a bike and go, you need to transfer all of that stuff. Or have duplicates for every bike. $$$

I know it's off-trend right now, but I much prefer to grab any bike I want, and only need to remember my trusty (and well-stocked) Camelbak.
  • 1 0
 Yeah, i have multiple bikes and most stuff stays in the bike with dt storage. My second bike has a oneup edc tool. My other stuff i carry ends up in my pocket when i ride that bike. which is kind of annoying. But im pretty much grab n go as well.
  • 2 0
 @jojotherider1977: I've converted all my bikes to take the EDC and just swap it between them.
  • 2 0
 Username checks out
  • 5 0
 Not a dealbreaker, but the downtube storage was a surprisingly big quality of life upgrade. Having tools and med onboard makes it easy to go for a quick ride with only what's in your pockets.
  • 4 0
 For my trail bike, I wouldn't consider a bike in the future without a built in storage solution (aka SWAT on my E29).

Not wanted on my XC bike.

So, I technically don't NEED it. But...I'd give up my XC bike before my trail bike at this stage in my life.
  • 4 0
 I’d rather have specialty frame bags like the Ibis Porkchop or something than can bolt onto an extra set of water bottle frame mounts than companies adding 1/2 lb that you can’t remove if you don’t want it. Besides, after hearing about an old riding buddy became a paraplegic, I now ride with a vest style water pack with a spine protector most rides now after going pack-less for years.
  • 3 0
 The Ibis pork chop is very handy. Doesn’t move, cost much or mark the frame. Easily takes a big snack, tools, safety meeting supplies, etc.
  • 3 0
 Like everything. Mnfgrs make shit to make moola. I prefer it to stop with the bike. No need for all the special carry (on the bike) tool crap and downtube storage. A simple multitool and camelback always has and always will work, just fine.
  • 8 2
 If it can't fit my phone, I still need on person storage.
  • 3 0
 Some of this engineering brainpower needs to be devoted to better pockets on MTB gear.
  • 7 3
 I don't even NEED a water bottle holder. I do NEED a quiet bike. In frame storage just seems like another good opportunity to have something make noises.
  • 3 0
 I mean it's just a question of adding a door, if stuff is rattling around inside the frame that's because you packed things poorly and that's 100% on you. There isn't really any opportunity for the little door to rattle (at least how it's implemented on Specialized bikes).
  • 1 0
 We don’t NEED a lot of things.

But a bottle holder + extra frame storage = no pack for rides under 4hr = bliss
  • 5 1
 I have a digestive / stomach condition so can’t use a pack or bumbag , I purposely bought my last bike with frame storage
to carry my swag
  • 2 0
 Check spelling on first poll option: I own a bike with downtube storage and wouldn't wnat to be without it.

I've never had a bike with frame storage, and wouldn't seek it on next bike ... who knows, maybe I'm missing out? It seems too small to fit anything useful.
  • 2 0
 I think downtube water storage is the best application for that space. I was trying to make a custom setup like this for my bike before throwing in the towel. There is about 1.5 liters of capacity inside my downtube. Id love to have it be a sealed vessel with a coated interior and a screw cap/hose port and a drain plug. I wouldn't want a reservoir, it wouldn't be difficult to clean out, just squirt a little dawn in there and fill/drain till clear. I've seen bikepacking bags do this with stove fuel. Alot of bikes are now producing compromised down tube shapes to accommodate a water bottle. Id argue that integrating it and producing a more optimized tube shape could result in a lower overall weight than many current designs.
  • 1 0
 My Specialized Triathlon bike had an in frame water bladder. I actually really liked it. But i was also in position to easily drink from it. On a mountain bike, youre often more upright and not close down to the frame. So youd need an extra long hose.
  • 1 0
 They do this on triathlon bikes. Really neat
  • 2 0
 It's a funny thing. I have a tube, tire levers, and a pump in there. I mostly forget it's there so in that way I could live without it. BUT!!!!!! That frees up space in my fanny pack for snacks and keeps things lighter. So for that reason I love it. It doesn't take away from the ride experience, it only adds a little sprinkle of convenience.
  • 2 0
 I have a Santa Cruz Nomad with frame storage. In my experience, if you load up stuff in there that makes sense to carry (like CO2s, micro Leatherman, etc.) there's a ton of knocking sounds unless you really pack it so full that the stuff can't move. And if nothing's in there, the door rattles, so I had to add some mastic tape around the lip to silence it. The best use I've found for the storage is throwing a windbreaker in there, but even that's problematic since the door isn't waterproof. So yea, most of the time my frame storage is empty.
  • 2 0
 I bought a Specialized with the Swat door and never thought much about it...at first. On my previous bike I had figured out how to carry a pump, tube and levers to get myself out of most problems if they occurred. The bike lost its sleek lines with stuff strapped to it, but I was packless and happy.

Then I opened the swat door on my new Specialized and realized I could carry what I needed inside and have a sleek bike I could ride with no worries (packless and happy).

The doors (storage) when executed well, keep bikes looking good and keep riders prepared (happy and packless). My most recent bike does not have in bike storage, I wish it did. I now have to mount the pump on the bike and strap a tube with levers to the frame.

If more bike companies made custom bags that fit their bikes, I'd be game, or mounting points for tools/tubes/pumps etc.

Most companies build/design their bikes for the masses. The best companies build their bikes after LISTENING to their customers. The best ideas for bikes are in the heads of the riders, I wish more bike companies would listen to us and produce what we desire not what they are guessing we want.
  • 3 1
 I invented down tube storage at SBC in 2014. It adds very little weight to the frame. The frame itself is not heavier. The hole is in fact in a low stress area and the frames never failed in that zone during the barrage of testing required to validate. The extra carbon material required to reinforce around the hole is not much different from that removed to make the hole, so that’s pretty much a wash. Primary weight add is in the plastic door parts. Maybe 100g. It’s a convenient feature that some can appreciate in a sea of solid mountain bikes available these days. Take it or leave it. I’m proud of it. -RobbJ-
  • 2 0
 This is one of those things where one bike company did it and then all the others think they need to do it. I personally don't care for it. I want the engineering behind my bike to be about optimum strength to weight ratio and not about more gadgets I don't need. I have to have hydration which means I wear a hydration pack. So I might as well just toss a tool and spare tube in the rare case I can't get my bead seated or the sealant doesn't fill a hole. I carry a Tubolito tube and don't even know it's there. If I want to carry anything on my frame I will just get a Wolf Tooth B-Rad system. I guess for those who use water bottles and want everything on the frame and don't wear a pack this makes sense. I don't run a bottle on my frame because they always fall out.
  • 3 0
 I could live without it, but I would really like storage on the next bike. My luck the bike would include it but the execution would be poor and I'd end up hating it.
  • 2 1
 My Stumpjumper evo alloy has it and it seemed awesome at first but in reality I dont use it much. Short rides I just have a bottle on the bike and my phone and truck key in my pockets, one up tool in the steerer. Long rides here in NC I usually need a second water bottle so im carrying a small hip pack anyways and ill put snacks in there, I do keep plugs and a C02 in it at all times though. Its kind of a pain to open it up and take the bag thing out just to grab a snack taking a break.
  • 1 0
 I used to have my truck key in my pocket then I had a wash out on a flat turn once and slid on that side and almost stabbed my leg with the key. I recommend a hide a key on your truck..hell just toss that spare key in your bumper on your way out. Just my two cents.
  • 1 0
 In frame storage and a small hip pack cover pretty much any ride under 5 hours. No need for a big sweaty backpack that gets overfilled with crap you never need. Especially for lift service on hot day. Having a tube, tools and pump in the frame is pretty sweet.
  • 1 0
 I do not have storage, I carry only SWAT bootle cage with tool and water bottle, most failure that happened were derailleur that internal storage will not fix.
I do not carry spare tube either.

In case my next bike with internal storage, probably "Dart" and cliff bar will goes in there, however I do not see what else u should carry? tube and pump? maybe more water

short rides - water bottle
long rides - u will not manage with single water bottle so u need some sorta carrier like backpack/bumbag
bike park - water bottle

to me water storage is most essential part of the equation, so in case I can put water pack in in frame storage - count me in
  • 1 0
 Frame storage wasn’t something that I absolutely needed when looking for a new frame. However now that I have it, although I don’t use it super often. It is super nice to have. I hate riding with things in my pocket or a pack so it’s been a game changer. Would like my next bike to have it as well.
  • 3 2
 Was there a poll about cable routing thru headsets? Cos if there was I'd be choosing the option "Would you refuse to buy a bike with cable routing thru the headset and would you refuse to buy anything from that company every again and would you hunt down and kill the product manager who signed off the design?"
  • 1 0
 I think it's a great place to put emergency supplies and it means you can ride without a pack. Putting that weight in the frame also means its low and while it may be felt climbing it will make the bike feel more planted when rolling down rough terrain.
  • 1 0
 I got it on my stumpy evo and love it. Great as I don’t have a car so I can buy a baguette, some sausage and two bags of Haribo and put the water bottle on. I really like it and the bike still seems to be pretty light. I don’t get the resistance to well done storage?
  • 2 1
 My conspiracy: It's the bike industry brands trying to make traditional bikes look more like e-bikes (via fatter downtubes), so e-bikes don't stand out as much, therefore reducing animosity between traditional cyclists and e-bikes, and in doing so making it easier for e-bikes to sneak on to non motorized trail networks, therefore increasing access, and therefore increasing sales $$$$.
  • 1 0
 I'm really curious about it and would like to give it a try. I went packless a few years back and enjoyed it. I've managed to find a way to strap all my essential to my bike now, except for the extra 500ml of water I typically need to get me through my rides (I can usually make do with a 600ml bottle and an extra 500ml soft flask stuffed in a bib pocket).

Ive been curious for a while now if those soft flasks would fit in these compartments. If I could find a way to make it work if be keen to give it a go. I like riding without a pack and would rather not bother with bibs too.
  • 1 0
 I do have frame storage and I don't like it, I'd rather my frame to be half a pound lighter or even some headset cable routing. The frame storage is neither convenient, versatile, anything inside rattle. I'd rather have a nice frame bag that could fit a wider variety of items with an easy-to-use zipper..
  • 1 0
 I don't really carry all that much with me. Everything fits into a small hip pack. Couple C02 canisters and tire plugs. My bike has an integrated multitool in the frame. If my next bike has one...cool...if it doesn't...that's fine too. Its not a deal breaker.
  • 2 1
 If I remove the battery from my ebike I can easily fit a full baguette in the bottom of my downtube. In 4 or 5 years, when my battery is completely dead that might be a bonus, but at the moment I’ll keep the battery thanks!
  • 1 0
 My stumpy evo alloy has downtube storage and it has been great. It came with a small bag that I have filled with a tube, CO2, tire levers and tire plugs. On top of that, there is still about 1L of remaining space where I can stuff a rain jacket or some snacks. I love not needing a big hip pack or Camelbak.
  • 2 0
 I've got a flat kit wedged in my crank spindle, an epi-pen in the steerer, and a multitool in my back pocket. It'd definitely be preferable to put all this in the frame. That's worth maybe 150g to me.
  • 1 0
 My Fuel ex has it. I have a tube and small zip lock full of spare bolts and such in it. A Oneup pump and EDC are attached to the water bottle mount. My old hardtail with no storage has the same except the tube is strapped to the frame and no extra bits. But I also have bits in all my packs that I might carry. If a glove box is there I’ll use it but it is not part of my buying decision.
  • 1 0
 I have frame storage in my '23 S Enduro, and I really like having a hidden and clean, quiet spot for a tube, Crank Bros M 20 tool with bacon strips, and a stashed energy bar. It's out of sight and out of mind until I need something out of it, at which point I'm really glad it's there without having it all moving around in pockets, packs, or strapped on collecting muck. I could live without it to own an Atherton 170, but I'm pretty sure I'd miss having it. It's my first bike with frame storage, and I find it to be a really nice feature.
  • 1 0
 I've had 2 bikes with downtube storage and one without. Yes, having the storage there is nice and it helps me keep everything in one place. But... frame straps that you leave on your bike achieve the same thing just while looking a little worse. Its nice to have but definitely not a necessity.
  • 1 0
 I wish Bikes were more reliable, so I didn’t have to carry all the tubes and spares!
I do agree backpacks are a pain, especially for my back.
I dislike the rattling as you have a harder time hearing something coming loose.
DIE headset/steer tube cable routing! Please die!
Cables need to be cut to the correct length, so they won’t be a mess. Almost all new bikes come with cables and hoses way too long. Reading these comments makes clear that someone on the ride brings everything but the kitchen sink.
Bravo!
  • 1 0
 Imma keep being the dude riding with no pack and nothing strapped to my bike bumming tubes off all the “overlanders” with half their workshop strapped to their bike “just in case”

But for real, with the advent of tire inserts, the prospect of having to pack out a sealant laden insert upon swapping out a tube has turned me off to the idea of carry one at all. Maintain my tire sealant, run a few more psi’s, carry a plug or two on longer rides. I’ll ride out on a cracked rim before I throw a tube in.
  • 1 0
 I have a downtime storage box on almost all bikes now. On my Gravel Bike (Specialized Diverge) Carbon fibres are getting lose and the frame needs to be replace because of a manufacturing error. Frame is due to arrive in June (!), I'm supposed to ride with the faulty frame until then....
  • 1 0
 To clarify: the frame is faulty at the storage box (SWAT-box).
  • 1 0
 In theory, yes I would like storage, but only if done right. That means the compartment should be completely watertight, be soft-lined and not have the waterbottle mount integrated into the door. I really don't have to carry much. I maintain by bikes properly, so I don't really have to carry tools or spares. My go to is a Tailfin top tube bag.
  • 1 0
 I've gotten used to having it since it came on the Stumpy in '15. I always keep a tube, pump, levers, chainlink, der hanger, spare tubeless valve, tubeless repair kit and spoke in there. Only ride with a backpack if I'm carrying a cache of extra clothes, food, coffee or trail tools.

On my current MY 21 Epic Evo, I have to resort to the XC lunchbox and a pump mount. Hurts the eyes something fierce, but not having a backpack killing/heating up my back as well as being able to ride in a loose t-shirt is worth that trade-off.

Probably not enough to throw out my current EE, though - still enjoying it way too much.
  • 1 0
 I love my in frame storage. I use it on my MTB and Gravel Bike. I love riding without a pack and the storage makes that easier. It won’t be a deal breaker if the next bike I choose doesn’t have it but it better be a damn good bike.
  • 1 0
 Downtube storage is one of those gimmicks that sound super neat on paper but once you have it, you quickly figure out that it's not all that useful or practical. Had it on one (Santa Cruz - so arguably the best-case scenario in regards to execution) and quickly reverted back to using a hydration vest, as it's a lot more convenient than downtube storage.
  • 1 0
 The way the bike rides is most important. If it has down tube storage, UDH, water bottle in the frame etc, it’s a plus, but not a deal breaker. There are too many bikes out there that are just checking boxes on features that compromise the ride quality or the features are more important than the ride quality during design.
  • 1 0
 There are so many ingenious products for carrying supplies on the average ride, in frame storage is not necessary. If you are riding for more than 2 hours in mountain environments, in frame storage doesn't necessarily eliminate the need for a pack anyway. Frame design should not be compromised for the integration of a feature of luxury rather than performance.
  • 1 0
 The push for it never made much sense to me. You spend big money for a lighter bike and then you fill the frame with stuff? Big thick downtube, no thanks. I think an intended/unintended consequence of it was to make analog bikes look closer to ebikes thus making ebikes look less chunky. Who knows.
  • 1 0
 It's not critical to a good bike, but it's really handy every now and again. For daily rides on my local system, I can take the basics in my pockets and leave the DTS empty. For bigger days in The Yonder where I want to be more self-sufficient it allows me to stash everything I need, and still wear a fanny pack. Anything to not wear a backpack.
  • 2 0
 I really wish my phone would fit in the compartment I like the storage but never use it. I prefer to take a phone on my ride, and don't like it in my pocket, so use a back pack.
  • 1 0
 love the built in trunk!... great for those 300+mile trans border enduro rides for anything you can think to jam in there, tiny people, drugs, extra rubbers, and extra rubber. I'm for it, its doesn't compromise build quality and helps keep some weight off the rider for the really long rides for those that get to pedal more one full day straight.
  • 1 0
 I have a storage compartment but I always ride with a pack, so the storage isn't that useful. I use a pack with spine protection, and it's the spine protection that I really want. Maybe I should look at some proper armor and ditch the pack?
  • 1 0
 In my Opinion, some companies are going out of there way to make this a thing... I come from BMX and prefere Nothing on the bike cause I like to throw down sometimes even on my All mtn Rig, the added weight/weakness not for me... removable clip on storage bag behind the seat (check) Fidlock Mount (check) Evoc Bag for long xc outings where ill be all day away from civilization (check). Im older now and can afford a few different bikes. Finally got a yt dirt love, less salt in the wound that was perfect 50/50 quiver killer all mtn bike from 2017-2019. ie bronson 2 cc, saint groupo/brakes, i9 enduro wheelset, lyric dual position air shock, short for Djs and long for the park, Long live it!
  • 1 0
 I have yet to see in frame storage that is water tight. I see so many people pull moldy bags out of their frames. In f ame storage is great in dry places. But in wet environments like BC or the UK they seem to just be mold boxes.
  • 2 0
 IMO the concept of downtube storage, aka large gaping holes in the frame, negates the argument by certain frame brands that tiny holes drilled in the head tube for cable routing weakens it.
  • 8 3
 Friday Fails?
  • 2 0
 It's posted on YouTube, but hasn't made it to PB yet, for whatever reason.
  • 5 3
 I don’t need downtube storage. It reminds me of that old SNL skit with the guy who always says “you put your weed in there.”
  • 2 0
 The name is escaping me at the moment, but hasn't there been at least one manufacturer who gave their down-tube storage a cheeky name alluding to just that?

I also remember a multitool (Maybe I'm wrong, and it was a snowboard tool?), that included a small one-hitter referred to in the product description as a "420 ventilator"
  • 2 1
 @SoCalTrev: www.statebicycle.com/products/2019-420-bar-ends-pipe-stash
  • 1 0
 @scott-townes: I'm not one to toke & ride, but stoner-engineering products always give me a slight chuckle. I'm sure there are 100 other examples of similar things sold for the MTB crowd.
  • 5 0
 Need? Nah

Want? Yesh
  • 3 0
 I was coming to say the same thing. It would be nice to have, but not having it certainly wouldn't prevent me from buying a bike (like cables routed through the headset would)
  • 4 0
 If it doesn’t have a battery in it I don’t really care.
  • 4 1
 I would prefer for manufacturer to put all effort into performance instead of gimmicks.
  • 3 0
 Downtube storage also comes in super handy when routing brakes. Makes the internal external again.
  • 3 1
 SWAT bib is my preferred carry-all solution. Tool roll, food, phone, and an extra bottle! Works regardless of which bike I decide to ride! Long live the SWAT bib!
  • 1 0
 Only if it's big enough to actually fit anything, My Trek Checkpoint had the worlds smallest downtube hole that couldn't even fit a pump and a tube together, might as well strap to the outside of the frame at that point.
  • 3 3
 It's silly that some of the CONS listed for bikes reviewed on this site are "No in frame storage". If mountain bike engineers are tasked creating a stash spot for garbage you'll probably use once a in a blue moon then the industry has officially hit a dead end.
  • 2 0
 I ride with some sort of pack almost all the time. Got my water, got my tools, got my Tesco meal deal, sorted! Sometimes, some trail building stuff too.
  • 3 0
 Storage lid + water bottle cage seems like a bad idea. Anyone with this configuration want to chime in?
  • 1 0
 I've been riding a bike with this configuration for the last 3 years...racing enduros and plenty of chunky riding in CO and I've never had an issue. And this is with a full size water bottle
  • 1 0
 My only experience is from riding a Santa Cruz and I find having a full water bottle on the lid makes the bottle rattle more than on bikes where the bottle cage is mounted to the frame. I guess it's because the Santa Cruz lid is only locked in place by plastic.
  • 3 1
 Im shocked people who dont have it dont think they want it. Its one of those things...once you use it you'll never want to go without.
  • 2 1
 Exactly my thoughts, also seems like a lot of fair weather riders. I use my storage space for shells and long sleeves mostly rather than anything else. It’s sweet riding with a T shirt then pulling out a jacket if the ride gets long.
  • 1 0
 I have it and just find it annoying. If it's not jammed full of stuff, the stuff that's in there rattles like crazy on the descents. If it's stuffed full, but you need to remove something from it and keep it out (tube, jacket, food) then you have created void space and turned your bike back into a dh maraka.
  • 1 0
 Top tube bosses are a pretty nice solution. I have the OneUp EDC Tool Strap mount and it's amazing for keeping everything tight and stored on the bike (Tube, co2). I think it actually looks good too.
  • 4 0
 The only thing worth storing in a downtube is a battery.
  • 1 0
 I have a Stumpjumper Evo and it is nice to have. But sometimes pulling the SWAT pouch out with things in it is a little annoying, but sometimes having some small tool or snacks at your reach is good to have.
  • 2 1
 There isn’t anyone that should be answering no unless you have an engineering/compliance concern.

Storage for extra water etc is INVALUABLE.

Never been a spesh fanboy but their frame storage is awesome.
  • 1 0
 I'll say this, I don't HAVE to have in frame storage but would not consider any bike that didn't have at least the mounting points for the Wolf Tooth tool bags I run on 2 Transitions.
  • 1 0
 If transition made a rainbow frame I’d buy it!
  • 1 0
 I just love the thought of dropping close to 10k for a premium light weight bike then to fill it all up with tools. You can buy the less expensive bike and put all the parts in your hip pack and you're at the same weight.
  • 1 0
 How about "I don't want downtube storage, but I don't begrudge others such a neat invention, and am happy that such a widget can exist in the pantheon of on-bicycle storage options."
  • 1 1
 I'd like to know what type of riding to the trail people do while they state their distaste for in frame storage. My guess is that a lot of them don't ride to the trail but are part of the group of mtb'ers who drive their vehicle to most trailheads they ride. I ride to my local trails about 10 miles away pretty often. I don't think it's hoarding to have a few tools and backups in case I have an issue and need to get home. It's not going to be fun to push the bike 10 miles away. But if you're only pushing out of the trail to your car, then I guess it doesn't matter to carry this stuff. So I feel like I'm being called a hoarder but are the people who say that hoarding their vehicles (full of tools and what not) nearby?
  • 1 0
 My phone doesn’t fit in my Santa Cruz, so I end up wearing bibs with storage. Seemed cool but I never use it. My next bike is coming from Wales, doesn’t have storage, and I couldn’t be happier
  • 2 0
 Got it on my rallon and as mentioned in the article it is not the best iteration but I still love it and wouldn't buy a bike without in frame storage anymore
  • 2 0
 Had a 2017 enduro. I don't miss it at all. I'll strap stuff on the frame and in the fork steerer. Easy to access and I can choose whichever fram I want.
  • 3 0
 No but it’s nice. I use it to store my repair tools.
  • 2 1
 Needs the tool inside the storage to open the cover
  • 1 0
 @sdaly: the cover snaps off by hand on my spesh. I dno about other brands. Crazy convenient and has been great for tools or extra water.

It’s a win win.
  • 2 0
 My old enduro swat door rattled. I had to pack that frame tight with lots of stuff to remove the noise.
  • 2 0
 I'd rather have adjustable fork travel so i can drop my front end when climbing like the good old days.
  • 2 0
 90% sure there is an e-bike Zeb with this feature. Don't feel like googling.
  • 3 0
 Love it way more than I thought I would
  • 2 0
 When they put down tube store on steel bikes I’ll be impressed. Until then I don’t care about it.
  • 3 1
 Small frame bag seems more practical and works with metal frame but doesn't look as cool.
  • 2 0
 I'm surprised that there are so few saddle bags on mountain bikes. Even roadies have started to accept that having a permanent place for a multi tool and patch kit is nice.
  • 1 0
 My giant has in frame storage and it's aluminum
  • 2 0
 “ The Orbea Rallon has a narrow slot that makes it tricky to get larger items in and out.”

interesting…
  • 2 0
 never had it, if it can be used as a service hatch for getting to the cables and hoses then i think its useful
  • 1 0
 Yeah, makes working on your cable-tourism bike much easier. /sarcasm
  • 1 0
 I keep a tube an a small first aid kit with room for snacks and light wind/rain jacket. This keeps me from almost ever needing a backpack, which I appreciate very, very much.
  • 1 0
 I thought it was a complete gimmick until I owned a bike that has it. There’s no way u could go back now. Riding without a pack on 95% of my rides has been super nice.
  • 1 0
 I owned a bike with downtube storage and never used it. There is this thing called a hydration pack and it holds things. Wink Also, I like my bike to be lighter.
  • 1 2
 All u guys saying you don't carry tools..well are u really even mountain biking..the new generation obviously doesn't do big epics anymore..there more into sessions.. whatever that is..and bike parks..which are sooo boring..and then u have the people that think they need assistance..it's so f$$ked
  • 2 0
 I do want it, but I want a frame that holds 2 full size bottles inside the front triangle more.
  • 1 1
 Fatiron, what's the point since it seems that the only bikes ridden now are Ebikes. How soon before removing the battery and converting to storage is a thing they try to sell more bikes with.
  • 1 0
 Keep costs down and stay in business. For the foreseeable future all my major bike purchases will be heavily weighted towards “bang for the buck”.
  • 1 0
 Either they add stress risers to a frame or they add weight to the frame (reinforces t to offset the stress risers), so yah generally not a fan
  • 2 1
 I never rode without a pack. For me a normal ride is 4 hours so I need 2l of water , food, first aid kit, repair stuff and a jacket. That lot is never going to fit in a frame
  • 1 0
 It obviously adds weight, the question is how much. 300 grams would be awful. For 200 grams, I could get by without it. I could tolerate an extra 150-100 grams for it.
  • 1 0
 I feel like for two hundred grams I can mount a big saddle bag that’s easy to swap from bike to bike. Multi tool and a few missing links
  • 2 0
 I find junk in the trunk while riding to be distracting
  • 1 0
 It could be a nice feature if implemented well. The design on the Rallon is garbage.
  • 2 0
 Closets are for storing stuff. Bikes are for riding.
  • 2 0
 Remember that Pike on the 2016 SJ? That was the glory days of the Pike!
  • 1 0
 I would rather have a dent for pump to slot in. As all I kept was a pump and tube.
  • 1 0
 Had many bikes with storage but never used it - they are not really big enough to worry about with the faff.
  • 1 0
 My bike can't even carry a water bottle, the idea of having a filing cabinet inside the frame just boggles my mind
  • 2 0
 I have it and it’s pretty much useless
  • 1 0
 As long as it doesn't compromise the performance of the bike, i don't mind having one.
  • 2 0
 Getting Ready for that Specialized Epic 8 drop with the poll. Smile
  • 3 1
 you can put your weed in there......made my bike only an ounce heavier
  • 2 0
 Two bottle cages > In frame storage
  • 1 0
 If your going to create a storage area..... make it waterproof Weather seals... weather seals.... weather seals
  • 1 0
 One of the options should have been if you had a bike with frame storage and if you would or would not buy one again.
  • 1 0
 Are those the first and third options?
  • 2 0
 No idea what I’d put in my down tube
  • 1 0
 A down jacket maybe
  • 2 0
 Nice Pinkbike. Timely poll with the new Epic debuting this week......
  • 1 0
 I think it compromises the frame too much, so many other solutions out there.
  • 1 0
 Thought it would be so sick to have then got a bike a year ago with it and haven't used it once.
  • 1 0
 There's no option for me! Frown

I ride an Intense Tracer and there's no "BB AREA STORAGE" option.
  • 1 0
 Had bikes with storage and never used it. Kinda sums it up for me personally.
  • 1 1
 Those who don't want frame storage are just people that haven't used it, I can keep a full repair kit and spares, snacks and windproof bandage and water bottle on the bike
  • 1 0
 Don't own a down tube storage, but I know many people who have one and do not use it at all..
  • 1 0
 I liked it at first, but now the bottle cage mount/cover just rattles and drives me crazy.
  • 1 0
 Down tube storage was a decisive factor on the purchase of my last bike. Will never buy a bike without it.
  • 1 0
 If you want you bike to sound like a drum set being thrown down the stairs, use it. If you like a quiet ride, don't.
  • 2 0
 Need one that fits beer.
  • 2 1
 Easy there - Specialized and SRAM are going to read that, and next thing you know they'll have e-bike battery powered cold storage built into every bike...
  • 1 0
 I have it on, prefer it, but it's not a deal breaker to not have.
  • 1 0
 It's a nice benefit to have but it certainly isn't required.
  • 1 0
 I've had it in one bike but never really used it.
  • 1 0
 It’s nice to have but it’s not on my must have list.
  • 2 0
 no
  • 1 0
 I want storage in my frame so large I can store my other bikes inside
  • 1 0
 Only good for stashing contraband
  • 1 0
 50$ price increase: ✅
500$ price increase: ❌
  • 2 0
 No. Not needed.
  • 1 0
 The real question is can you fit a burrito or two up there!
  • 1 0
 I’ve got a spire with two cages. Works great.
  • 1 1
 The only thing that needs to in in the downtube these days is a 700wh battery.
  • 1 0
 Bought Evocs smallest multi framebag. Its the best thing ever.
  • 1 0
 Make enduro bikes light again!
  • 1 0
 Meh - so many ways to carry stuff for this to mater.
  • 1 0
 Waiting for Giant to unveil the Glory Hole
  • 1 1
 I definitely need somewhere to store my downtube
  • 1 0
 Only If it is an eBike.
  • 1 1
 Storing snacks tools and water in the frame s awesome.
  • 1 1
 Is that where the motor goes?
  • 1 0
 Sandwiches
  • 2 2
 Yes. Mine has a battery in it.
  • 1 1
 I need my e-bike to have in frame storage
  • 1 0
 gimmicky deal breaker
  • 1 0
 No
  • 1 0
 I really need this
  • 5 7
 Spends $3400 making a bike 640g lighter. Stuffs it with 700g of stuff you can fit in a hydropack.
  • 11 1
 Getting weight off your back and getting it low and in the frame is a far better place for it.
  • 4 1
 @FrankS29: Not convinced a pound in a small bum-bag vs. the frame makes that much difference.
  • 2 1
 Better to have 700g worth of stuff high up on your back than down low in the bottom bracket area amirite?
  • 7 2
 riding without bike-pack priceless
  • 3 4
 Lmfao perfect example of a retard trying to sound smart. The weight is much better in the frame than on my back big boy.
  • 3 5
 @nvranka: Only if you're a pussy
  • 1 2
 @chriskneeland: haha

But, I could wear the same pack as you, and have even more water / tools for a backcountry ride in the frame! Win win.

Only a pussy if there is downside. This is all upside baby!
  • 2 3
 @nvranka: Cool. What are we talking about half a pound here? Who give's AF.
  • 2 1
 @chriskneeland: you sound like a reasonable person
  • 2 0
 @chriskneeland: What a sensible compliment to give someone on International Women's Day. Pussy's are known to be incredibly tough, they can even birth a human!
Now don't be a scrotum and put all that weight on your back because you're so big and tough and impressive.
  • 2 2
 @gnarnaimo: hope she sees this bro
  • 1 2
 @gnarnaimo: But they're soft AF. Just like the clowns in this comment section.
  • 2 0
 @chriskneeland: go find somewhere else to be a POS
  • 1 3
 @Saucycheese: Bro, I'm not the one crying over a mountain bike joke. Some people can ride with packs with no problem. I'm sorry you're not one of them. I don't see how that's my fault.
  • 1 0
 @chriskneeland: what part of that was a joke? Calling people weak is hilarious?
  • 2 3
 @Saucycheese: my lord boy take some midol and move on
  • 9 10
 The only thing worth storing in a downtube is a battery.







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