Descending The US / Canada border finally opened up while I was testing the Spartan, which meant I could finally add the Whistler Bike Park and Vancouver's North Shore back into my array of testing zones. Not surprisingly, it was on the Shore, close to the location that it first broke cover, that the Devinci felt most at home. The chunkier the trail the better – the Spartan absolutely eats up the rough stuff. It's not quite as long and slack as the Norco Range (more on that in a bit), but that actually worked in its favor on the tighter, jankier trails where slow speed, braking-heavy maneuvers followed by rocky runouts are common.
The 64.5-degree head angle didn't give me any real reason to complain, but I also never once considered putting the flip chip into the high position. Because of that, I wish that 64.5 degrees was the high setting, and that 64-degrees or less was the low position. Remember, we're talking about a 160mm, high pivot enduro machine – why not fully optimize it for its intended purpose?
Maintaining speed on the Spartan isn't a problem as long as gravity has firmly taken over, but on flatter or rolling terrain it can feel sluggish. Pumping the trail to takes more effort, and doesn't result in the same burst of forward speed that comes from a bike with a less rearward axle path. Jumping takes more work too, a trait that was especially noticeable on Whistler's A-Line and Dirt Merchant trails. It'll get it done, but the Spartan does best on rougher, more technical trails rather than hopping and popping around, despite what some of the photos in this review may lead you to believe. It's not that it
can't jump, it's more that there are bikes in the same category that are easier and more eager to get airborne than this one (the new Pivot Firebird comes to mind).
Remember the feeling of making solid contact with a jelly ball during a game of kickball? Landing a drop on the Spartan HP delivers the same sense of satisfaction. It's one of the traits that I enjoy most about high pivot bikes – that glued to the ground stability they have when touching back down makes it easy to trust that things will work out, even when dropping into a pile of rubble that's been formed into a not-very-steep landing. The Spartan may not be the liveliest jumper, but that trait's overshadowed by how well it can stomp landings.
I honestly don't get the pass some companies are getting with these weights. f*cking try harder! get your engineers to be more engineery! lol. in all seriousness, it seems we are just making tanks and seeing if consumers will whinge....
@conoat That's sort of what I mean, if this bike came with EXO+ tires, I would replace them immediately. If you care a lot about weight/climbing performance, then maybe a 160mm high pivot bike is not the bike for you? I also suspect that brands are aware that people will use these bikes like DH bikes, and design the frames with durability front of mind
Heavy is the new light, get with the times
I highly suspect this frame is the better-fed side of 8lbs with a shock and all the hardware. that's absurd.
I have pretty good luck with EXO+ tires for the most part. my only issue is usually my own hubris in trying to run sub 32psi at rocky bike parks(like I most recently learned at Ft. William. lol. ended up at about 34-35psi before I stopped pinging the rim. place is roughAF. #longlivejordie)
My girlfriend asked me which one I like better
I hope the answer won't upset her
The weight comes from the longer wheelbase, the steeper and longer dropper posts( heavier) AND the 29” wheels with heavy duty tires. Throw in some massive forks and a dh shock and there you go.
???
and no, a light bike doesn't necessarily throw you around. I mean if a 29lb bike throws you around and a 37lb one doesn't, what you're saying is that 8lbs is the difference in a combined weight of the rider and bike between planted and controlled and a pinball? then why don't 165lb riders get flung off course and 220lb riders are glued to the track? it's because bike weight has nothing to do with stability....setup does though.
heavier pendulum - lower amplitude for same input
also, it's total weight, not just bike weight. a 200lb rider on a 245lb bike or a 200lb rider on a 35lb bike.
it isn't the weight. I have a very light bike and it tracks like an arrow. why? setup
edit: i've said it wrong. *argue whatever you want.
Ideally, racers. Realistically, non-racers.
"no no, you can't race enduro on that old bike, THIS is what you need." - said to the overweight guy in his mid 30's racing funduros twice a year.
I'm waiting for a company to come out with: moderate head angle, paired with 150/160 mm travel, paired with lighter weight (somewhere in the 32 pound range) and a nice pedaling platform. Basically a true east coast bike. Nobody seems to be interested in making that bike.
Now I'm suddenly afraid I'm missing something obvious and I'm even more ignorant than I'd feared. If I was smart I would delete this comment and keep my ignorance quiet. Oh well...internet!
so, you know......the market is YUUUUUUUUUUGE
Come on guys! I did it for the lolz! I only paid ironically!
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Bruh. Everyone made that bike already. The old remedy, the slash, all the old stumpys, last gen transition sentinel, I could go on and on. Those are all pretty light too. Just throw some trail casing tires on and you’re rollin
I think you’ve got a good point that mellower geometry and travel numbers are better for mellower terrain, but I’d say get a sweet deal on a used bike and have a better time anyway.
I think all these new bikes are crucial to pushing the limit of what mtb suspension can do, which just means a heavier bike. If you don’t ride trails that are super steep/chunky they don’t make a ton of sense. But if you do then they’re mind blowing.
Do you know what's sexy? Not plastic. Machined aluminum is sexy. Bring back sexy .
Carbon is for dentists, if you ride gravity, you want AL.
Know why everything is carbon now? Its more profitable to the brands even though the bike are shit. Same reason every bike has a session linkage.
f*ck carbon and f*ck session linkages and f*ck PB pushing both, along with ebikes.
I didn't realize there were cracking issues w/ the frame. Can you send some references/documentation or is this primarily hearsay?
here is one of many threads on the subject. As one poster notes, Spesh is 'aware' of the 'issue'.
Believe me, it’s not just “noise”. I was part of the Specialized Enduro Owners group on FB and cracked frames (with pics to prove em) were a regular topic of conversation. It’s become a running gag over there haha. Several Youtubers cracked theirs as well. One youtuber switched to Evil and cracked that one too tho lol. That being said, had my 2021 Enduro three months and it held up.
Also, ppl complaining online makes it look worse than it actually is, but there’a definitely something about these Enduros…
I know, they crack, however there are more s bikes at any bike park compared to any other brand, and spesh have solid warranty
Or an argument for external routing.
-It's a Devinci, so it's probably sturdy A F with impeccable build quality
Cons:
-Geometry
-Weight
-Price
-High pivot w/ idler
-Not exactly pretty
-Superboost
-Cable routing
-Heel rub
-Bigger forks (38mm)
-Bigger brakes (200-220disc and larger calipers)
- Longer dropper post (170-200)
-Thicker tires (EXO+)
always a compromise. Give and take
People on PB are so funny......
Just built my Range Large at 34.3 WO pedals. If you're smart with the spec it can be in the same average "enduro" bike weight
The Wilson needs an update, and the high split virtual pivot you prototyped in 2020 was THE bike!
I don't want to have to go with a different bike company -.0, but I won't buy another Wilson unless it's that HP cuz the bikes desperately needs an update. Please bring it to production. You won't regret it
- Prefer the looks of the Range (do not like the Spartan linkage)
- Slacker HA of Range.
These machines are trail smashers, and I think slacker is going to be a winner to that end. I won't expect it to climb or handle flatter trails well anyway.
Maybe a full on 2021 Hi-Pivot only bikes comparo is in order, since there are more such frames available now (Forbidden, Devinci, Norco, Cannondale, GT, etc.)?!
Locals probably will by a bunch
Make twisty, mellow trails fun again
It is hard to put down the big bucks for something that is not perfect
Devinci Spartan HP Tailored Protection Kit
Go forward a couple of years and the trails are basically the same but, you cannot, simply cannot ride them on anything higher than 64 degree HAs. Without that slack HA, we would probably die in agonizing pain.
having said that.. my *trail bike* is 65 degrees in HA and the *enduro* bike I will build in the next weeks will be in the 63 degrees HA range. #timeshavechanged
Shame.
On the other hand, one of the first High Pivot companies comes back to this idea- hope it will work
With taxes and zero-negotiation policy on buying new bikes these days, we are taking 8220 $CAD. I mean... Tabarknak.
Last generation, made-in-Canada Aluminum Spartan 29 was 4800 $CAD. Not taking a dump on Devinci here, but It really feels likes there's shark the whole bike industry is currently jumping over.
But i guess this is what happens when 2 big companies (SRAM and Shimano / Fox and RockShox) dominate the OEM market. The frame makers have to jack the prices way up to absorb component costs and reach some sort of profitability. I am soooo ready for this oligarchy to end and let economic competition bring prices back down for the common folk. Come on.
People (myself include) compare bike with geometry number but in reality, there is much more than that. Axle path, leverage, compression, etc etc. Everything need to be balanced. Not just head and seat angle.
Yuck!
Who died and made you king of geo? You think Devinci didn't try to "optimize" the whole bike, within the whole slew of limitations of bike production?
If you want your hands a few mm more behind the front axle, there are many ways to do it besides slacking the entire bike. Since that would also also shrink the reach by a few mm and slacken the seattube a bit, I guess then you'd have something else to declare not optimized. Instead you could pick a shorter stem, or a bar with more sweep, or get a low rise bar and move the stem up the steerer, to personalize the fit. Or lengthen the fork, if you're that stuck on the single number of head tube angle.
Hard to drop weight when most of it is hidden in the frame.