How Does It Compare? Let's compare the Scott Spark RC to the Santa Cruz Blur TR, which was released at the same time as the Spark and has similar travel and geometry. Interestingly, both Santa Cruz and Scott released a purebred cross-country version of their new bike and a more aggressive version that uses the same frame; the Blur is just a more conservative iteration.
The race version of the Spark with 120mm of travel front and rear actually has more travel than the 115mm/120mm Blur TR and the geometry numbers are more similar to it than the 100mm Blur XC so it seems like the more fair comparison, although so far we've seen Santa Cruz's World Cup XC racers choose the shorter-travel bike for XC racing, while their endurance racers like Keegan Swenson ride on the TR.
On the Blur, the differences in the two models are accomplished by using a longer stroke shock and a longer fork, while on the Spark, the differences in geometry are made using adjustable headset cups to tweak the head angle independently from the rest of the frame along with a longer fork.
I rode the medium-sized Blur TR last summer with its 438mm reach, 67.1 degree head tube angle, 75° seat tube angle, 1157mm wheelbase, and 433mm chainstays. The Spark RC in a size medium has an almost identical reach, head tube angle, and wheelbase at 441mm, 67.2°, and 1,159mm respectively, a one degree steeper seat tube angle at 76.1°, and longer 437.5mm chainstays.
Although the numbers may be very similar, there are differences out on the trail. On the climbs, both have an incredible amount of traction and allow you to grind up the least forgiving of technical climbs. However, they both benefit from a lock out on long paved or gravel climbs, something that the Spark RC with TwinLoc gets points for. It seems like a bit of an oversight that the Blur TR doesn't get a remote lockout. While both are supremely capable on tight switchbacks, here I preferred the Spark RC as well, with its slightly more upright riding position.
On the descents, the Spark RC felt more composed than the Blur TR and less twitchy. Mike Levy may enjoy that feeling of always being on the edge of control, but when you're already absolutely exhausted in a cross-country race, I think it's preferable to have a bike that works with you instead of against you. You need to pay attention descending on both bikes, but I felt less likely to go head over heels on the Spark RC.
Where the Blur TR gets points is for its more traditional handlebar setup and fewer cables to contend with. The Spark RC won't be the cheapest bike to maintain since not everyone can get that shock out to service and it's harder to reroute cables or swap out components.
I really thought that would stick
It's called the Hedonic Treadmill and if you're reading this you're probably running on it.
Hmmm, I just realized I have more carbon fiber in my car stereo than I have on most of my bikes =P (due to the vibration characteristics of carbon...as it doesn’t “absorb” vibrations like they claimed in the 90’s with braided carbon/Kevlar RTM-processed resin-rich LP handlebars and such, back in the day. However, that “vibration damping” narrative has persisted for 25-30 years, but it’s nonsense with 95% of super-harsh standard / intermediate / high modulus unidirectional carbon fibers in heat-cured prepreg epoxy resins used in bicycles these days. In fact, it’s why many new ultra-stiff all-carbon road bikes initially went to much bigger tires (due to the harshness and vibration transmission of the ultra-stiff carbon fiber everything...although some ultra-lightweight laminated modern unidirectional composite parts have stiffness / strength, flexural, and laminate properties conducive to vibration damping). However, vibration damping composites can still be engineered, if carefully designed as such in terms of geometry, layup, thickness, materials, and multi-functionality, from the outset. These days, I’m into optimization of carbon fiber & other composite materials’ phononic quantum properties — engineering vibration and shockwave transmission through passive and active phononic properties of the carbon fibers, composite system, and the structure into which the carbon fibers/composite are integrated.
Hopefully we’ll be able to integrate that sort of active quantum vibration optimization into mountain bike carbon fiber composite structures in 5 or 10 years, along with resin quantum property meta-material active/reactive optimization 5+ years after...(ie, stiff when putting the power down, supple when leaned over in a corner for lateral suspension effect like Grand Prix superbike rear swingarms, and vibration damping when integrated sensors sense high-frequency vibrations. Maybe 15-20 years for that on bikes, actually =)
Totally, was thinking this today. As a metalhead, totally relate.
"It's not a downcountry bike, its an aggressive xc race/upduro gravel bike"
" It's not atmospheric black metal, it's neo-pagan technical progressive folk black-gaze"
I really hope you were joking about Dave Matthews
It will be different for everyone probably but for someone looking for a new bike and likely spending a lot of money, it pays to not ignore the minutiae and indeed also look into stuff that's 100x less simple.
"I had a lot more fun on the Spark RC when I changed the front tire to something more aggressive."
"Levy would argue that a short travel bike shouldn't need a lockout"
Pinkbike reviews of XC bikes are always written from the perspective of "I'm not really into XC and would rather be riding a trail bike, but my editor gave me this, so here goes!".
I remember a couple years ago, the XC field test circuit was so gnarly that they determined the optimal configuration for the Epic was with the Brain completely off. This doesn't match my experience riding and racing XC on a wide variety of terrain, where nearly every circuit has long, grueling sections where plush, bobby suspension is a huge liability. I've never had a long XC day where I wonder at the end "what is a lockout even for!?"
I assume I'm not the only reader that primarily rides XC, given the greater accessibility of the discipline and the current surge in popularity of the XC World Cups. It's interesting the the preeminent mountain bike site treats the discipline as a tertiary peculiarity, rather than employing at least one writer that is primarily interested in XC. I would bet that there's a large readership with an underserved appetite for XC content.
- I'm not saying I wouldn't race on the fast-rolling Maxxis Rekon Race tires in the right conditions, just that they aren't always the most fun tires
- Mike Levy is pretty outspoken about lockouts... https://www.pinkbike.com/news/opinion-lockout-levers-make-for-worse-bikes.html but I'm a fan.
- I still much prefer the feel of "regular" suspension controlled with a lockout compared to the Specialized Brain.
- I might ride more than just XC bikes these days, but I raced XC for 10+ years, even did the Windham + MSA World Cups as a U23, so I'd say I'm more than interested in the discipline. Our XC coverage has grown a ton in recent years and World Cup racing has never been more exciting (or the bikes better!), but always welcome to feedback on how we can improve.
My point was that articles read as though they're written from the perspective of someone who would rather not be riding XC, but perhaps it's better to say they're written for an audience of trail riders who aren't that interested in XC. And, to be fair, there's always a group in the comments that seems to echo this (EDIT: Just saw "can you run a coil" below, LOL) But I assume there are also many of us for whom a purebred XC bike is appealing without the angle of "how you could make this into a bike that's actually fun" or other XC apologism.
"There's no "middle" position for pedalling across flat, rooty sections, something I didn't know how frequently I did until I couldn't do it with this post. It's a fine balance between light weight and usability, but I would choose a heavier post with infinite adjust if given the option."
"These tires are fast and light and an appropriate tire choice for this bike, but I found I had a lot more fun on the Spark RC when I changed the front tire to something more aggressive."
"Mike Levy would argue that a short travel bike shouldn't need a lockout, but personally I think it's on the cross-country race course where the slightest of margins on the climb make the most difference. I know Mike Kazimer has his gripes with the TwinLoc system on the trail version of the Scott Spark, but on the race-oriented version of this bike, I think it makes sense."
This review was excellent and, in fact, written to address exactly your complaint. The last point explicitly pushes back upon the exact stereotype about which you complain. Levy (well documented) and Kaz (previous review of non-RC version) both are not fans of the remote, but Sarah says: no, sorry Mike and Mike, twinloc is a good thing for the purpose of XC racing. She is addressing both the primary readership of Pinkbike who like to complain about remotes and the primary interest group of the review who like to imagine themselves in a sprint finish for a mid-pack result at the same time. That is just one facet that makes this an excellent review.
I am a short travel nerd, and certainly eat up any XC content on Pinkbike, and that was a top-notch review @sarahmoore.
This was also my first ever comment. I hope I am never, ever, inspired to make another one. No way is it good for your health.
I think the fact that those quotes are indeed, in larger context, apologism for the fact that they're reviewing an XC bike, are a perfect way to illustrate my exact point. Appreciate the support!
Since that is my opinion and this is Pinkbike, I definitely had to be a dick about it. At least the first time.
Also, now definitively a bad thing to comment.
HUMP
@sarahmoore is a good writer, and I should acknowledge the human at the other end of all this, because at the end of the day it IS a good review and it's the XC content I'm asking for, and she should feel good about that.
Anyway, I'll leave it at: More XC! Time to go ride.
Your experience racing world cups far outclasses my experience being the "local fast guy" at the pointy end of Cat1 fields... but I still actively train and race for short and mid-distance events while working as a full-time writer for an outdoor brand.
I have a bmc agonist that is 115/120mm and I don't have a dropper, but I use the crap out of the 3 position dual lock out on it. If you are going to want to go uphill fast it's a must.
This isn't the "trail" version of the bike, like many xc bikes have a trail version, but the race bike.
It's the dedicated race bike, so it should be evaluated primarily from the perspective of someone who is intending to take it racing. The review doesn't come across as a serious assessment of its race capabilities, but rather like a review of a daily driver.
It’s fair to criticize this reviewing style for race bikes, but it’s not fair to say that this is about distaste for XC.
My current XC bike (Intense Sniper) doesn't have, nor need a lockout. I race it in the open position, even on smooth conditions. Also an infinite dropper which was handy when I was doing more tech climbing this past weekend at the True Grit Epic (I podiumed).
In the past I ran a Hans Dampf on my Cannondale F-Si to get on the podium of a local XC race in the Pro cat. Slow on the climb (dead last on the opening climb), but I made it all back when I was holding my lines in the loose stuff.
Friend of mine has a 120mm Spark he bought for racing in the Swiss Epic (though the plan was just to finish, not compete) and he finds that it is more fun for him to ride locally on his XC trails than his 100mm Spark the year before or his Genius which rarely get ridden anymore (just park days now). He also races in the Pro cat, mostly for fun.
So in a lot of ways, the PB reviews line up with what I have experience with XC racing. I don't do much XC riding though, my 170mm coil bike has double the mileage of my last three XC bikes combined.
I don't enjoy riding XC myself, but I love racing. I may be "The slowest pro you will ever meet" (my catch phrase), but I am still pushing an XC bike pretty hard when I ride. Harder than 99% of the others (which is why I race in the elite/open/pro category).
Nobody buys a pure XC race bike unless they are racing XC so the review should be geared that way.
More importantly, just like enduro racers, 99% of XC racers are going to spend a huge amount of time trail riding on their race bike. They almost certainly care whether that time will be enjoyable when purchasing a bike.
I'm just saying an Enduro bike review should be from a race and enjoyment point of view. People riding them use them for "enjoyment" outside of racing or for that exclusively.
But XC race bikes are not bought for enjoyment. They are bought to be raced and even when not racing they are not really being taken out for comfort and fun. It's always a grind for xc guys on a race bike and they are pretty much always in that mode. Comfort is absolutely not a concern aside from the bike fitting. I'll take a rock hard bare carbon seat over a comfy seat anyway just it save 1g there.
I'm just a regular guy who races xc locally and having a comfortable xc bike means nothing to me. Everything about my xc bike is about weight and speed. Everything about my Enduro bike is about strength and me not getting rattled to oblivion. So when I read a review about a pure xc race bike, these little factors about it would be more fun with bigger tires or how it performs in a casual setting don't really mean much to me. I want to know how it performs with a -17* stem.
Obviously there are some hardcore riders like yourself that only care about the race speed, and I think it’s notable how few words were spent talking about how fast the bike is. That should be a bigger part of the review. But you’re in that 1%. Most buyers like myself need to know if it’ll be fun when we’re logging the training miles as well. And there are definitely a lot of people on mellow trails buying this sort of bike with no intention of racing.
Btw, do you really think the bigger bikes are for the top riders? I figured Rude would do well, if not better on a 140. The long travel sleds are required by punters like me who need bailed out from poor choices and lacking strength.
"Bike go BRRRRRR" should have been the whole article. S/
Then again, less dirt on seals and stanchions is always a good thing, but you probably won't notice a difference lifespan all that much.
i have to work on this bike. i would rather take up rollerblading than own one.
good luck finding 3mm OD cable housing.
sid select + isnt the lowest the straight up sid is. also i have a sid select and it's pretty good like it absorbs bumpies what else do you want, especially out of xc sus where you aren't missing out on like 8 different extra adjustments just because your one level down.
its an xc bike, xc is all about marginal gains, if you don't want to spend tons of money on them then don't, no one is forcing you to buy a 14000 dollar bike.
sure scott and specialized do this but if you cloned yourself twice, and then (cross country) raced yourself on a spark, a epic, and a spur, all with rockshox ultimate sus, and you would probably mop the floor with yourself. Maybe not, but I bet my clones would be kicking my butt (if I was on the spur with no lockouts or brains).
the s works thing is kind of stupid though cause it can make you feel like your bike isn't worth upgrading
also you aren't just paying for the fork your paying for those sick rotors that totally won't get all delaminationy on you (totally not speaking from experience), xx1, tyrewiz, so like fancy stuff and also in general (not necessarily between those two models) bikes is expensive because they are light
also fyi theres a little thing called buying only a frame and then get the parts you want. it's not as if a epic or spark have anything in them to make a frame twice as much as a spur frame.
Technically this is the mid level SID (Select Plus), so you get the charger 2 damper instead of the charger without-a-number-damper.
The Ultimate does have the Race Day damper. As others have mentioned, a damper swap is quite easy.
When I upgraded the damper on my former bike I just left the fork as crown adjust and used the TwinLoc on the rear shock only.
I love the fact that xc is getting way more technical, and this bike looks like a blast to ride.
But it makes me wonder - since local xc courses arent usually as technical as world cup courses, is this bike going to be the faster bike compared to previous generations of the spark that were more nimble?
The shorter the race the more likely I’ll be accelerating out of the saddle hard and climbing the same, a 100mm travel bike is better here. And the DH doesn’t ever decide these races.
https://linkagedesign.blogspot.com/2016/07/scott-spark-900-rc-2017.html
https://linkagedesign.blogspot.com/2021/07/scott-spark-rc-2022.html
Also wish this version was tested with the headset cups swapped. I'll bet it'd be an even better descender without any big drawbacks.
I was going to swap to a longer post (100 to a 125 or 150) with my new build since I have plenty of room, but I am amazed how well the 100mm gets out of the way for even aggressive XC racing on this frame so I only will if this dropper dies.
I'm curious if this will take the XC race terrain in a new direction as bikes become more capable. My XC rig (2018 Oiz) 100/100mm travel bike tackles (unfortunately) single black diamond climbs and descents on local trails where local professionals continue to blow my mind on what is possible up and down on an XC rig. Kudos to put together a rig with a dropper, 2.4" tires and 120ml under 23-ish lbs.
NOW HUCK TO FLAT!!! hehe...
It’s both fun to ride and very fast from point a to point b
And realistically a pound lighter than that Scott with nothing goofy light on it. Ok Berd spokes are goofy…
xtr 9100, 9.8 R dropper, 240/Berd/Newman wheels. Other nicely light, but not dumb stuff.
Also, are you looking at the 2022 model? It’s much heavier, since it uses the Fuel EX front triangle.
Actually the last model all had 435mm chainstays
That says it all. Fantastic bike.
Spark + Blur = Spur
indeed
pun intended?
Is this even a complete sentence?
www.srsuntour.us/products/dual-remote-lockout-handlebar-lever
This bike is fast on the downs and ups. (granted it's the right type of trail)
I want. It's beautiful.
reach = 441mm
head tube angle = 67.2°
wheelbase = 1,159mm
As written it contains the phrase "and wheelbase at 441mm", which taken literally indicates wheelbase = 441mm. Not the end of the world, but makes it hard to parse at first glance.
I've written a whole bunch of comments way more potentially inflammatory that haven't received the amount of downvotes compared this one quite tame one about grammar. Whatever happened to constructive criticism? Shit, it's not even really a criticism at all, just a suggestion for a damn grammar disambiguation. It even started with applause for the author's initial response!
Oxford comma FTW!
make corrections and improvements to (a text).
"these studies show him collating manuscripts and emending texts"
Either amend or emend fits, but emend is specific to written text.
Besides, I didn't do it while she was working, that's the proofreaders' and editors' job (which it could be argued they didn't do), so your analogy falls down right off the bat.
It wasn't intended to be rude or condescending. Not sure how you got that from what I wrote initially. I didn't say "hey stupid, don't you know how to use commas? this sentence makes no f*cking sense, you should know better. now fix it ASAP." Because that would be rude and condescending. Oh wait, you gave a nice example of being rude and condescending by implying the only job I can hold down is working fast food. Poor form.
I can "offer" whatever I want in the comments, that what they're for. Just like you can. You think the comments box at a fast food restaurant is only filled with adulations and hyperbolic praise?
Might be an issue on a rental bike, won't be an issue on your own bike.
I find it also very interesting for us readers how two reviewers with slightly different foci can judge nearly the same bike or parts differently.
Even on the size M shown here, the bottle is simply wedged in there with no use in real life (try taking that bottle out in the middle of a race lol).
I feel XC people have a bad understanding of the low and slack because is often goes with heavy and long travel bikes but I reckon a low/long/slack short travel or hardtail bike would be competitive in XC. When I'm gassed after a long climb, the last thing I want is a twisty nimble bike I have to cautiously steer. I just want to let it go and relax. A longer bike is also beneficial in the climb because it offers a better traction since the rider's weight is more centered.
I'm not in the market for a Spark but I'll be buggered if I'm paying AU$5500 for a Rhythm fork and Formula hubs.
I TAKE IT ALL BACK!
what is this review? your analysis for why its a better descender than the Blur is that it "felt less twitchy"? That's it?
any bike can be XC with that rats nest with levers on your handlebar.
how does the bob compare to an epic Evo? Epic? Supercaliber?
you contradict yourself here:
"As soon as you push down on the pedals, you can tell that you're riding a race bike."
but then you say "I found the mid-lock position that reduces the travel to 80mm was a good compromise between comfort and all-out speed."
so the bike bobs. JUST SAY IT. how can 120mm be the new XC if it bobs badly enough for you to rely ton the CRUTCH that is a PROPRIETARY shock (that you wont be able to get parts for in north america btw).
this is a blogvertisement and you should feel bad.
Probably hella slow.
He ran 120R and 110F in 2021, but is running 120 f&r for 2022.
Dang, you sure got me there, with my lack of research and all.
The PNW does not have XC races going on late fall through late spring.
Stop making excuses for the self described largest mtb publication in the world being lazy on their XC tests. They used the same methods as any other class of bike. Its a slap in the face of people who take racing serious. If you want to claim to serve a niche actually serve it. Don't try and force us to think fun matters, or make lazy excuses. Race the bike. Try as hard as you can on it. Do some laps. Take some times. Fly to a race, make some content.
If I can travel the country on 800 a month and afford 8k bikes, living in a school bus, im sure the pinkbike staff can be given whats necessary to not use bro science. Someone who buys 400 dollar pants to ride slow in the rain and drink beer after surely is not the person to do xc testing.
Because she used to race back in the day? She hasn't touched zone 5 for 1.5 hours in 10 years.
Go to a race, enter the race, ride the bike hard over some laps. She said this bike was designed to do laps on a short course with multiple rough descents and technical climbs. Is that what she did? This bike was made to ride all day. How did it feel 3hrs into a 7 hr ride across the Arizona trail? Did that longer lower slacker lead to pedal strikes and dabs on uphill technical switchback? Did I t climb extended climbs better in the fully open middle or lock? How was the water bottle access. How did it handle climbing out of the saddle aggressively? Etc.
They can afford all the equipment any xc team has for measuring things. This is outside online. They fly people to Antarctica for photos hoots. Get real. EFFORT
You're making an excuse for an unneeded piece of kit, in my humble opinion.
I guess that's the difference between XC and downcountry now?
The SPARK is for freds, who worship Nino and are so fat they need a lockout to ride in the middle position.
Xc courses are the same they have always been. Except the UCI. The spark is a fast light trail bike. The blur is a race bike. Nino needs a -30 stem, if the spark was a race bike he wouldn't need so much drop.
Oh, you’re *that* a*shole.
Carry on…
How did that go?
120/120, and you were hella stoked 9 months ago.
I only call you out personally because you’re a real dick with no friends.