Descending Here's the headline - this bike isn't particularly exciting, but it is a safe pair of hands. In a world of weird, wonderful and sometimes outright concerning, the appeal of the palette cleanser shouldn't be understated. It's somewhat subdued and predictable, and although it doesn't feel like the most sophisticated suspension or a genre-defining take, it's a pleasant bike that is easy to get along with. But for those who don't have the opportunity to try many different bikes, what does that mean? And how does that feel out on the trail? This can be broken down into three key areas: stiffness and compliance, suspension and geometry. Let's start with the foremost.
Despite a somewhat slight-looking rear end, one that has the notable absence of a bridge between the stays, the Occam is a suitably direct and stiff bike. Not least, I imagine, due to that bracing arm that envelopes the water bottle. You can really carve turns on this bike, and if you're somebody who likes to square things off, this bike feels confidence-inspiring and very consistent. There is no lurching or flex that should undermine your confidence. It does this all while managing to be comfortable. How much flex is good is a complicated matter with no one clear answer, but the Occam is a really nice blend of stiffness and compliance. You know where it will be underneath you without being so stiff that it resists every and all twisting forces to its detriment. I think it depends not only on the rider's style and application but also on the character of the bike. This leads me to my next point - suspension.
When you slam on the brakes, there is a degree of weight transfer into your hands, but overall, what happens to your weight is both reasonably consistent and easy to predict. If you want to pop and preload, the midstroke will handle it very well. Flat pedal riders might feel their feet threatening to get quite busy on rough, choppy trails under harsh braking and rough sections. The suspension and drivetrain feel very interlinked, and as a rider, this is something you will feel both in the sense that it inhibits tracking as well as the degree of fatigue on long, rougher runs.
The bike is adequately stiff for dunking your rear wheel into ruts and hoping for the best.
The geometry of the Occam also blends well with these prior two characteristics. It's definitely slack, long and low enough, but it doesn't exaggerate one to the other's detriment. The bike is slack enough to hold its line but steep enough to be reactive. It is long enough to offer stability but short enough with a positive enough front to feel direct. These traits complement the poppy suspension and stiffness.
While the Occam might not be the most exciting bike or offer anything groundbreaking, it is direct, responsive and comfortable. In some ways, it's a really well-rounded bike for riders looking to get out there and have a predictable good time, as opposed to one that's aimed at core riders who want something to unlock that final tier of performance.
Thats all I can say .
And in exchange, the owner ends up with more fiddly brake / HS bearing changes (even stem changes, in some designs), plus the headset bearings themselves seem to be more open to contaminants thanks to the entry ports for the cables - it’s crazy just how poor condition some of these upper headset bearings are in, on 12-24 month old bikes, particularly when compared to even cheap zero stack or external cup headsets that have seen the same use / maintenance.
Plus, I’ve already seen some “interesting” wear marks from cables making contact with steerer’s and internal frame surfaces..
On TT bikes, when applied for an aero benefit (since apparently every watt counts in the upper tier of that niche market) it’s arguably an acceptable trade off.
When making MTB’s look fractionally more “pretty” comes at the expense of their durability and workability, I for one don’t think the trade off is worth it.
And you can choose your cable routing path, and how often theyre supported.
Why are you guys so bothered, when theres a perfectly easy solution
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Quick suggestion. whatever ones you get, if they come with tape installed, remove it, and use alchol to clean any mold release agent thats on the clips. A quick soak, and wipe down works great. same with where youre going to stick on your frame, clean with alcohol.
Some good quality double sided tape should hold em on for quite sometime. If they pop off, rinse and repeat
Quick suggestion. whatever ones you get, if they come with tape installed, remove it, and use alchol to clean any mold release agent thats on the clips. A quick soak, and wipe down works great. same with where youre going to stick on your frame, clean with alcohol.
Some good quality double sided tape should hold em on for quite sometime. If they pop off, rinse and repeat
Youve usually got some options, but itll make you cringe a bit.
Bottom of bb, theres usually loads of material to make a small hole, same with seat tube, just above bb junction.
Makes for easier routing, better dropper lever feel, etc.
Making it without the need for those ports all over is in theory making it cheaper ....not that bike prices are coming down but anyway
That's the main reason , saying it looks clean is just a cheap sensible excuse for them
I'm the same boat as you , I will never have a bike with that dumb bullshit
I'm wondering if PB users have had similar warranty issues with Orbea, or this was just bad luck?
www.reddit.com/r/MTB/comments/1by60p8/warning_orbea_rallon_snapped_shock_strutmount
People love to slate things.
It's pretty inexcusable what we pay for bikes to have failures like this and then just tell the customer they are SOL and have to pay for it, particularly when they designed a bike with known issues. It feels like you roll the dice with a lot of brands (incl some big component manufacturers ) when you submit a warranty claim, some go out of their way to find a reason not to replace or repair things, sometimes to the point it seems like they spent more trying to justify not replacing it than it would've cost to just fix it in the first place. Others go out of their way to be helpful and take care of you. It's inexcusable the first category exists to begin with, but there are a handful of brands in the second category that I've tried to prioritize in recent years and it is really nice not feeling like I have to roll the dice when something breaks.
But I'm not getting another one unfortunately. In general for much the same reason.
The rear wheel pivot decided to drop a bearing after a few months. It was just pressed in with nothing really keeping it in place. Fortunately it was possible to glue it in place since it took five months to get a new seat stay on warranty. The dealer where I got the bike had repeatedly failed to even register and then it still took several months after that was uncovered. But eventually I did get a new one.
Personal warranty experience from Bird and friends' from Transition, Canyon among others had us back riding within a week or two with either few questions asked or even for self-inflicted damages quick and reasonble crash replacement handling.
Also I wasn't very impressed with the robustness of the design of the last one. The frame pivots ground themselves to death since they would keep coming undone if not torqued way above spec. When I finally figured that out all the frame bearings had a terrible fit since carbon wears really fast. Rideable but prone to creaking. Didn't even try to get that one on warranty after the first experience. I asked a few other dealers but since I hadn't bought it there they wanted to charge me to even check if it's warranty. I get that they need to pay their rent but it's not good brand marketing to have your branded dealers send customers away without even looking, there has to be a deal to cover those situations in there.
And this last bit is something I'd really wish for someone to look at in the tech report: Will the frame hold up? There are bad designs out there, is this one of them? We already know the Fox 36 GRIP2 is a great fork but it's almost impossible to figure out if a frame design is well thought out or not from home.
Do they even have trucks in the Land of The Blunt?
solved it,
Super easy, hwats next?
What're you, Orbea in disguise?
Same with ibis and nukeproof (rip). No problem.
Canyon however was an absolute shitshow
In less that two weeks I had a new chainstay for a 2023 Orbea Wild M-Team
100% would get another Orbea bike (purchased from that dealer) though the headset routing on this latest model is a nonstarter.
I guess I’m a weirdo and prefer left loading because I fiddle around with the bottle with my left hand while my right (dominant hand) controls the bike and rear brake. Seems better to me haha. However, not having the option to choose what side the cage loads is a downside for sure.
What’s wrong with left loading to you?
I think you mean seatstays. It definitely has a bridge on the chainstays.
The best I've seen so far is few slo-mos during the field tests, impossible climbs and a huck to flat. I like to see suspension working (this article even shows an Industry Nine ad where a bike is being ridden before showing the shock being squished), but I like more to see someone actually riding a bike.
Sometimes I think we just gather here to speak about spoke tension or how thick grips should be, but none of us ride the bikes.
Thanks for the grammar lesson Henry.
From us North American plebs.
Got any examples of this? I can only think of bikes with the same model name but with an SL/ST/LT/etc or travel-number suffix when travel is changed with only a stroke reduction*.
* (Which I also think is dumb: just run it long, and if you want more "pop" or "XC-feel", then run sag around where it would be with the short stroke and still enjoy the extra travel when needed.)
Should have gotten the coil shock
“- Is biased towards support more than all-out grip”
Should have gotten the coil shock
“- Gives a lot of feedback through your feet when descending”
Should have gotten… also ride clipless.
- Internal headset cable routing
Okay, that one sucks.
Btw we've ordered 2024 Occam LT for my wife basically 2 days after it was announced (it arrived just a few days ago though). We did that because she was riding previous generation Occam(MY 2021) and she loved it, bike was really solid, fun and helped to progress quickly. She rides more natural enduro-like trails than flow lines(but enjoy those too) so combination of Occam's agility with slack head angle providing stability and safety on steep sections looked perfect for her. Looking forward for some real shredding in the mountains
Is it "left-handed only", or just "with the left hand only"?
Because I'm left-handed, and it took a bit get used to only being able to grab the bottle with my left hand on a Stumpy, since I didn't prefer holding on to the bar with my only non-dominant right-hand. Indeed, I see most righties hold the bar with their right hand (also the rear brake on non-UK bikes) and grab the bottle with their left, if given a choice.
Maybe that's because comparing just the difference between starting and ending ratios doesn't tell the whole story. Doesn't even tell half the story, since the ratio at sag is also very important, as is the slope of the curve at all points, and especially the slope approaching bottom-out. Overall ratio comparison alone is maybe 25% of the story, only really useful as a rule-of-thumb to decide if a coil shock could be viable (without Sprindex or similar), not telling much about actual ride feel.
It's almost like talking about single numbers in isolation is kind of meaningless.
Scott, Merida, Orbea...
Is there something in the water over there?
For mechanics and owners who do their own work? No.
For Orbea's marketing that can check off another bullet point and move on? Yes.
As a hardtail rider, I have opt for the latter to keep my hypermasculinity in check.
What?
"There is grip to be had, but that's not to say the Occam doesn't feel somewhat sporty."
There you go again, conflating grip/traction with not feeling "sporty". What does that even mean? You certainly need traction to go fast on actual trails with rocks and shit. Is that not "sporty"?
And what about that nonsensical caption? "seated of the position"?
I have the 2022 version as I went down to owning one bike. Wanted something that can do everything "OK".
Pretty obvious a trail bike won't keep up with big enduro bikes going down or a XC bike going up.
Likewise in reverse.