Frame Details The big (if unsurprising) story is the move to an internal shock. This keeps the shock and its eyelet bearings protected from debris, dust and mud. The plastic shock protector may look like a weak spot, but Scott say it can withstand harsher impacts than the old Ransom's carbon downtube, and if it does break it's a replaceable part. It doubles as a door to access the shock as well as a small storage compartment that can hold a tube or your skinny snack of choice. It clips into place with a button that has been reliable so far and houses a mini tool. While it isn't fully dust-proof, it reliably keeps Scottish slop off the shock. Scott say this allowed them to use small cartridge bearings inside the rear shock eyelet, which would be susceptible to damage if exposed to the elements.
After several wet rides and bike washes, the shock stanchion still has a coating of factory oil on it instead of the usual muddy slurry. I'd call that a substantial benefit. One
potential downside is a lack of airflow to the shock that could lead to overheating on long downhill runs, and this might cause a lack of damping and higher spring rate/pressure, creating a bouncy ride. Scott suggested the difference compared to an external shock is only equivalent to a few psi at most and the effect on damping is minimal. I certainly haven't noticed unusual changes in suspension feel while descending, but I haven't been able to test it on very long Garbanzo-style runs.
The TracLoc shock is based on Fox's Float X but has an extra air chamber that is shut off when the cable-operated remote is set to the second position. This has the same effect of adding a massive volume spacer to the shock - it makes it far more progressive, adding support especially late in the travel. It doesn't make a measurable difference to sag, though. Scott say this reduces the travel to 130 mm, but technically there is no hard limit, just an earlier, steeper ramp-up of force through the stroke.
The third setting on the remote adds a threshold to the compression damping, making for a firm, but not locked, suspension feel. While the shock is unique to Scott, they have worked with Fox to ensure that any upgrades to the regular Float X shock will be compatible with theirs, and it can be serviced by any Fox service centre. It's also worth noting that you can run the Ransom with other shocks (coil or air) if you don't want the TracLoc feature, though one notable exception is the RockShox Vivid Air which doesn't quite fit inside the plastic door.
With the shock hidden, Scott designed a sag/travel indicator that sits between the BB and the lower link. This indicates the true travel or sag at the rear wheel as opposed to the shock stroke. This is important because, with most bikes, the leverage ratio between the axle and the shock changes dramatically through the travel, meaning 30% of the shock stroke usually corresponds to more than 30% of the rear wheel travel. Scott's design accounts for this so when it indicates 30% sag you're getting 30% true sag at the axle, which is slightly less than 30% of the shock stroke.
The rocker link is designed to be super stiff and pivots on two large bearings that connect it to the mainframe while housing the PF92 bottom bracket. There are no ISCG tabs for an aftermarket chain guide, but an integrated top guide does the job alongside crank-mounted skid plates. The frame is category-5 tested (for bike park abuse) and is rated for forks up to 180 mm but not dual-crowns.
Cables can only be routed through the headset, and bikes are built with them running through the headset spacers too. If you don't want to run the one-piece bar and stem you can buy a Syncros stem, which routes the cables into these spacers but clamps to a regular handlebar, or you can use an Acros headset top cap with regular round spacers and any stem.
There's a flip chip between the lower short link and the chainstay that keeps the bottom bracket height the same with a 27.5" wheel. It also shortens the chainstay from 440 mm to 432 mm, so it's kind of a two-in-one affair. The idea is that shorter riders or bike park jibbers opting for a mullet rear wheel will likely want a shorter back end too. The Ransom ships in 29" in all sizes as it's primarily designed as a race bike. An angle set offers 0.6 degrees of head angle adjustment (63.8 or 65 degrees) with a neutral headset (64.4 degrees) included in the box.
There's room for a full-sized water bottle in all sizes, but no extra bosses for tools stored outside the frame. There is loads of room behind the bottle if you want to get creative, though.
The old Ransom has always been known as one of the lightest enduro bikes, but the six-bar layout surely adds some bulk. Scott say that putting the shock in line with the downtube and concentrating the shock forces around the bottom bracket (where it needs to be strong anyway) helps save weight from the front triangle, but they admit the new bike is a little heavier than its predecessor. The claimed weight for the top-end 900 RC model (tested) in size Medium is 2,800 g, w/o shock but including including axle, seat clamp, frame protection, covers etc. That's nothing special for a carbon enduro frame these days. The other models in the range have an alloy rear triangle and a lower-modulus carbon mainframe, for a claimed weight of 3,450 g.
I don’t care that it looks like an e-bike. I care that the headset cable routing is the dumbest idea brands have tried to shove down our throats in a while.
Hey Scott. Add me to the list of customers who will absolutely never consider any of your products with through headset cable routing.
Do you really service hoses and cables so often, honestly? And even when you do - with full internal routing cables being better protected from the external factors, you'd normally just replace the cable within and not the whole hose. For majority of riders this means that hoses won't be replaced in a couple of years within normal use.
Bike with headset routing is nothing important to me, but it does not bother me either. It looks neat and clean and it protects the cable all the way down from one end to another, so, again, can someone just explain it to me? (apart from that we are at the comment section )
Sure, valid question. But the short summary is "yes, It appears I do the things you hardly ever do, more frequently than you do, and this makes all of those tasks harder/longer/more annoying. And if you have to pay someone else to do it, it will cost more because of that additional time".
Here is the more words version:
1) I live in the PNW, which is exceptionally wet. The through headset cable routing allows a direct path for the water to get onto the top of the bearings and their seals. This is bad for bearing life. I've had my current frame for exactly two years, and I've replaced the headset on it once already. I don't desire to add bleeding the rear brake/re-indexing shifting and readjusting my dropper post to the list of things I need to do to complete that job.
2) Makes other easy jobs, harder. Like if I want more/less stem spacers (or a new bar/stem in this case). Usually that is a simple 5min job. With this, I have to bleed the rear brake, and re-index the shifting. Not monumental work, but work that doesn't need to be done with normal cable routing.
3) I replace cable and housing for the rear derailleur at the same time, or replace the housing every other time. The inner housing can start to rust (especially at the derailleur end), which means a simple new inner cable swap doesn't always poor shifting. And I do this seasonally. In the 2 years I have had this bike, I think I've had 3 shift cable housings on it.
4) Cables/hoses much prefer to be bent as little as possible for longevity/performance. Through headset cable routing puts a lot of tight bends on cables, and routes them next to the steerer tube, which can cause problems (some road bike carbon fiber steerer tubes have been cut by them rubbing). It is a not ideal situation.
Thats mostly it. For road race/time trials bikes chasing tiny marginal aero gains, I acknowledge that the additional pain of maintenance/setup is probably worth it.
For mountain biking where the bikes are abused in worse conditions (way more dirt/mud, larger impacts, etc), and where aero is much less important, it seems like the negatives are greatly outweighed by the positives (which, is mostly "it looks better to some people").
But don't take my word for it.
bikerumor.com/what-bike-mechanics-really-think-about-internal-cable-routing-headsets
So the feature that makes it so you have to replace your cables/housing a lot more often to keep it running like a $5000+ bike should run has the unfortunate side effect of making the replacement job a much bigger pain than it needs to be.
True, there are different implementations of the idea, some better, some worse (in terms of work required to do other work).
Thanks for calling it out. I might be an irritated consumer, but I also try to be an not-biased irritated consumer, and at least complain about the correct stuff.
(also, I said "try" )
@ocnlogan: comprehensive answer - thanks for that! It's interesting to see different perspectives that arise from different use cases and environments all over the world.
However, just for the sake of a constructive debate:
1) So you replaced bearing once in two years which is normally a period where you'd also at least bleed your brakes and dropper. And that only happened on one of your bikes (we don't know whether Scott's bearing protection design might be better - and eventually will get better). Apart from that you can clean the upper bearing like I answered above.
2) Just out of curiosity - do you really change the height of your stem so often?
3) Routing mechanical cables through the headset does not make it (almost) any more complicated than routing them through normal internal routing (through a downtube) - so almost no difference here.
4) I can relate to that, but eventually designs will get better (maybe they already are) compared to first versions that were cutting the steerers. Actually I've never heard of it later on. Apart from that , I think that nobody detects that the cable in the headset is slightly more bent than it would be if routed outside (I mean, why would anybody care - or at least why would 99% of the bikers care for this?).
I'd just like to point out that majority of the the riders aren't disassembling their headset monthly, they are not changing their brakes every half a year, they do not change their stack height every three month. These riders will actually see benefit in cables being hidden (also protected to some extent) and the same goes for the shock. And that's just if we leave aesthetics aside
And yes - of course, I understand why mechanics hate it and I'd never wanted to have bikes with headset routing in my rental fleet. But that's another use case.
All do all these on a regular basis on my bikes and all of them become much more of a hassle. Why would I buy a bike with this when it does nothing to make it ride better, just more difficult to work on.
It’s not just people bitching because it’s something new. It serves no practical purpose. Aesthetics only.
Sure, I'm open for non screaming discussions .
1) Its more the fact that doing one task requires another 2-3 tasks. I bleed my brakes whenever they need them. But I don't bleed them when I need to change my stem.
As a side note, have you tried what you described? While you can access the upper bearing without disconnecting the brake hose, its a giant pain, because now you're trying to service a bearing, with limited access (whatever slack is there, like in the image), while holding the bar/stem and trying to pry the seal off the bearing. Thats how I serviced my Konas headset (loose ball bearings in a cage), which was a pain. And that was easier than what you're describing, as at least the cables weren't running through the center, and I could get them all the way out of the way.
2) When I first get a bike, yes actually. I think I went through 2-3 handlebars, and ~5 combinations of stem spacers on my bike before I have settled on this last config, which has been on there for close to a year. Thats 5-15 more times bleeding brakes than would normally be needed.
DH racers regularly change their stem height track to track (although, again, edge case).
3) Assuming internal cable routing without tube-in-tube, I probably agree (although the tighter turns of headset cable routing might be harder, can't comment until I've had to try it). For external cable routing, or tube-in-tube conventional internal routing, both of those will be much easier than fishing a housing.
4) This is going to be a hard one to discuss I think, as its very much a "feel" thing. People may/may not be sensitive to it. But, I can say I have felt kinks in dropper post housings before (blind, I identified the problem via lever feel, investigated, found the bike shipped with a sharp kink/bend in the housing, routed new housing, fixed it). So I "think" I would appreciate smoother routing of cables (more bends/sharper bends means more friction, which negatively impacts shifting).
You're right, most riders aren't disassembling headsets every month, or changing out their brakes/stem spacers all that often. I disagree that through headset cables are more protected (they are less... imagine what happens when you spin the handlebars 360 degrees like in a crash). In my mind the only actual benefit of through headset cable routing is aesthetics. And it feels like the "price" we pay for that (all the other things we've discussed) is just too high for that.
To be clear, I'm not as worried about the shock, which is why all my comments are about the routing. I can see a hidden shock having some benefits that seem to justify its existence, and as long as accessing adjustments and removing it for service isn't a pain, I've got no real problem with it.
Agreed.
I replaced my stock headset with the Hellbender. Good stuff so far.
The bearings are stainless, but the better part is the better sealing of the headset dust cap/crown race.
1. No lines run through the stem, there is no reason to disconnect the brake line if you are swapping stems. Same as normal routing.
2. The headset spacers are split rings and can be removed and rearranged without disconnecting any cables or brake lines.
In fact, you're on a road trip you have been planning and looking forward to for months, maybe even a year. Maybe its a place you've always dreamed of riding over sea's, maybe you spent lots of money to go there, maybe you've poured all of your vacation time for the year into this trip, or you're racing and have spent a ton of non-refundable money on race fee's? You're now on a bike that requires more time to fix, and you may not have the tools, clean space or time to fix a usually simple issue that your more likely to run into on a trip where you're riding all the time such as:
Headset bearing replacement(or the entire cup if they still using plastic Acros headset cups)
Damaged brake line
Damaged dropper line/housing
Damaged Shift housing
Game over. If its in riding season, most shops where ever you are are booked up tight for a couple weeks, and while they'll leave some time for emergencies for riders like a hose or housing replacement, but any of those above issues with headset routing means basically doing them all and taking 1-3 hours to do it correctly, not rushing, which is not fitting into their emergency repair timeline. You're done. Plans out the window and if your with friends, are they waiting for you to get you bike fixed if your planning on driving to another location?
Any riding plans you had are now subject to the bike you chose being unserviceable within a reasonable amount of time because a lack of using independent systems so the bike looked cool. Routing a brake hose, dropper, or gear cable through an external bike usually takes minutes. On a Trek, Santa Cruz, Yeti, etc., all of those can be replaced in 30 minutes, no need to take apart the headset, removing the fork or even the front wheel, even possibly removing the shock to get your hands up into the frame to guide things through. One system can be delt with without affecting another. With headset routing, for one issue you have affected 3 other system for no reason, which means more time and not everyone's going to be able to accommodate you. How much is your time worth?
Then you add proprietary parts, what if in handing one of the repairs above, a plastic spacer is damaged? There is no Scott dealer near by and you are again, stuck.
Most of the headset routed bikes also have a knock off Trek "Knock-block" style of thing to stop the headset from over rotating. These breaks ALL THE TIME and are far less robust than the trek ones were. I've had to fix far to many brake lines in the last few years because the headset stopper was damaged in a crash and the headset over rotated, cutting the line inside the frame. It happened to one guy that stopped in on trip to Canada from Europe was game over on day one because banjo hoses were sold out last year for a while in Canada and renting a bike for two weeks was extremely expensive. Time to fix it didn't even come into play with this one, it was the cause of a poor design damaging itself and an inopportune time.
Just not worth it.
Maintenance complexity and a need to have all the cables at precise lengths. Yes I do ride a lot and do a lot of cable replacing.
Cables may be protected from the external influences, but I have seen too many cables destroyed by rubbing each other. Looked worse than an externally routed cable on my fathers bike after 10 years of use.
I have also seen a steerer almost half cut with a shifter cable on an old Commencal with a routing through headtube from the front (way before this monstrosity came). That's a thing I don't want to risk.
Big NO NO for me. But, everyone should buy what they like
I'm enjoying the non-screaming debate. I own a Spark with the same headset setup, along with other normal bikes, so I have some opinions.
As I think someone else pointed out, no need to bleed or do anything special to try new stem / bar / spacer combos. However, you will miss out on the "integrated look" while you try stuff out and you'd need to buy either the scott stem you want (extra $) or the acros headset cover (appears to require a bleed) for long term use.
I have found most of the "problems" people assume a non-issue.
-No issue with cable wear or bends (I don't try to "stealth" route though with a bunch of zip-ties to the handle bar, I don't care about the looks).
-Actual cable routing is *easier* than most internally-routed bikes because of the giant holes in the frames.
-No issues with headset bearings 2.5 years in. They are actually well sealed and a glob of grease is easy to add without disconnecting any lines.The top one is actually better protected than the normal headsets I maintain! The bottom one is also well protected but probably gets more water directed its way. That's a 5 minute job to replace though. Slip-fit and no cables routed through it.
- Spinning the bars 180 doesn't do anything. There is no knock block feature. If you spun 360, you might pop off a piece of plastic. Worst case that plastic piece breaks.
The spark for me has been the lowest maintenance bike in the family despite being the highest mileage. The internal shock is the only one I can't really tell the difference when I do a service, so that benefit seems real.
Actual dislikes I have:
- I wish they'd shipped with the acros cover/regular stem so I could just use any old bar/stem more easily instead of spending $70 on a stem
- While I haven't had any issues, I feel like they should put one of the solid lube bearing in the top headset just to mitigate the concerns everyone has. I might spring for this if I ever do need to replace it. It's not like it's a big spend compared to the whole bike.
- The dropped cable housing is very thin and flexy. Nice for install, but weak. And the duncan (JD/brand-x) droppers suck, so I always want to push extra hard on the dropper. I and a few others have actually split the housing. It's been fine now that I know not to treat it like a gorilla, but still annoying
FWIW, username is tongue-in-cheek and I'd actually prefer external routing, but people really like to freak out a lot about maybe having to do an extra 30 minutes of work every couple years when the Scott (the one have at least is easier to work on most of the time).
1) Internal shock
2) High leverage shock ratio
3) Headset cable routing
4) A bunch of unnecessary levers on the handlebar
5) Integrated bar and stem
6) Stupid price difference between full carbon & carbon & aluminum mix... (just make it full carbon...)
7) "Female specific paint"
8] Unnecessary electric drivetrain
9) Looks like an ebike
Scott may know something about elon musk's brainchips or mutants--I think they're already working with extra thumbs...they're in cahoots with Big Lever for sure
On the other hand, kudos to them for finding their niche.
10) $6,000 gets you SX/NX drivetrain.
Is this a f*cking joke?
Given most people seem to ride shocks until they start making horrible noises, then send them to a service centre to get "serviced" (i.e. mended), it may actually save you time.
Not to mention they've changed their twinloc system over the years and not all shocks and such work with their system, so it was annoying when half the time Fox or Scott would be out of stock on their proprietary parts for hilariously long amounts of time (albeit this was 2020-2023).
They're called Shockwear for dirtbikes, and they cost like $13-20.
Also, $6500 for an NX build with DB8 brakes and basic suspension? Scott, WHAT ARE YOU DOING??
Scott: *Removes Twinloc for Grip2, cleans up the front end and makes it compatible with a wide range of shocks*
Pb comment section today: This bike is crap!
Maybe you brought this upon yourselves haha. Jokes aside, to no big surprise to anyone - I love it.
"but to do this you need a new stem and/or headset top cap that's compatible with the cable routing"
As the owner of a 2023 Scott, and a 2023 Bold Linkin, both of which use the exact same headset setup - everything you need to run a 'regular' stem is available and did, in my case, come with the bike.
Take a look at Brendan Fairclough or Scotty Laughlands bikes - both been running Scotts with their own personal choice of stem/bar.
Total non issue.
(For what its worth, I have the Syncros bar/stem on one of the bikes and really like it).
You can go full integrated... semi integrated with the syncros stems that have the funny cap at the back, or 'regular' stem of your liking.
As per many commenters here - I've always been sceptical. But I bought the first bike a year ago after persuasion from my LBS that it was not something to worry about. Heck, it even had a press fit BB. Been so pleased with it, and the fantastic build quality of the Scott Carbon frames (paint job, finishing, the best 'box of spare little bits' I've ever had from any manufacturer) I have since bought a second (the Bold), using the same level of integration, and its the same story again.
Everyones welcome to opinion, thats how the world works, but from an owner, I can categorically say that many of the 'issues' are simply not issues at all.
The low COG, the tracloc, the climbing/descending balance, the ability to slam a massive long seatpost and get mega drop even if your a shortarse, all of which are shared with this new Ransom, are really good. Wont be for everyone though.
Nice review !
The look isn't for everyone - I think that's a valid basis to reject fully integrated designs. And if I lived in a wetter climate I might share concerns about headset longevity. But it's too easy for people do dismiss these bikes as gimmicks, when the performance is there in spades. I love diversity in bike design - yesterday I demoed a Switchblade, which is the polar opposite of this, and I loved how it rode and its straightforward concept. My road bike is an Aethos. There's value in both complexity and simplicity, and I don't like to see creative execution discouraged like this. At least Scott sticks to their philosophy.
Is it harder than a s/s rigid steel pub bike? Of course. Is it an issue? Nope.
Have a friend measure your wingspan and use that as the height measurement for most fitment charts. If the standover fits, you're money.
What I do hate is SX on a 6k boke. That's wild. I'd prefer Deore.
These don't feel like bikes for riders, but for boutique consumers.
Marketing at all costs is a terrible thing.
I’m riding the Genius for more the a year and this has been the most silent and easy to work on bike I’ve ever had. The cups can be rotated, spacers can be changed,… in 30 secondes and you don’t need to bleed the brakes. The headset design works really good. I have not changed a bearing after 1 year of racing. They are still in good condition. And yes, there was mud and abuse.
If you want to work on the cables, it’s even easier because you can put your arm inside the frame to guide the cables.
Headset cables - check
Press fit bb - check
Proprietary tune/shock - check
One piece bar/stem - check
Lack of Iscg05 tabs - who would want those?!, check
Would it be fun to ride if I didn’t have to own it? Absolutely. Does it look cool? Eye of the beholder, but I would say ya.
Would I ever buy it? Hard no.
But hey, if your trust fund means you don’t work on your own bike and don’t mind paying 2-3 times more for bike service, party on…..I guess.
At the end of the day, it takes less than an hour to pull an EJ motor from the chassis and it's often the easier way to do a clutch/flywheel, head gaskets, or access the steering system.
This pricing is completely out of touch for a fussy bike with some features that enduro riders won't want.
Sir: the cover fell off while riding and there was no way i was walking over that boulder.
In order to do this, we’ve designed a fairly complex linkage that sits right in the line of fire instead, plus we’ve routed our cables through the (sigh) upper headset bearing.
That should all make for durable & hassle free ownership…”
Sram released flight attendant few years back, why bother with cable tourism?
Are they also going to replace your shock?
PinkBike keyboard warriors will always hate at price and internally cable routing, or anything new and progressive, but I am mechanic and have no issues with this. There’s either a bunch of incompetent or lazy bike mechanics out there if you really think this is that harder the any other bike to work on…I find this to be very straightforward if you know what your doing.
Price is very fair for what you’re getting. Stop complaining. It’s not like taxes where you’re going to have to cough up money to pay.
For those that haven’t worked on internal shocks. This set up is by far way easier to access than any Santa Cruz bike. The shock is easy to access and the sag indicator is really intuitive to set up for customers.
Fun Fact: Ambient air temp changes cause the shock pressure to change quite a bit. It won't be fun at all to check the shock pressure for a ride.
Scott "hey baby, Scott says a lot of things"
However, at first glance I also see such price tags on Santa, Yeti and Rocky Mountain, and the other brands.. The only thing that's a bit annoying is that no AXS dropper is fitted, but that's probably because it wouldn't have worked with the Trac-Loc on the handlebars? that's my guess.
Is there any experience regarding the durability of the bearings and paint?
(Love my Linkin!)
It's pretty simple and comes from e-bikes and e-bike rider that aren't educated on bikes, mechanics and repairs. They still do crash or put the e-bike in the back of the car and by doing so they pull on cables (wires) which damages the cables and makes them have interruptions with all sorts of issues. "I cant turn on my bike at the switch anymore but by the battery it works!" To sort this manufacturers did the internal thing so the cables to the front light, remote and display don't get damaged as easily. As a roady I love the aestetic of the cable free roadbikes. For example deda dcr-s or the ritchey x-night sl. On bikes like this it just looks bulky and ugly. I don't like it and don't want it on my personal bike but I can still understand why they do it.
SCOTT: let’s put two mechanical cables through the headset.
Yeah!!
Holy crap, they saved us from being off by a whopping 0.6mm*, if we rigidly stick to setting sag to exactly the percentage they said with no dialing at all!
Take my money!
*(The change in rate around sag is so small as to not matter. Especially here where the average leverage rate is really damn close to the rate at sag. 30% wheel sag is 170 * 30% = 51mm. 30% shock sag at the ~2.75:1 rate around sag is 62.5 * 30% * 2.75 = 51.6mm wheel travel. 51 - 51.6 = -0.6 wheel travel difference.)
If your stanchion is regularly covered in mud, perhaps you want to check the wiper seal. And if it's coated in mud after several washes, something is terribly wrong with your process.
- $10k build is closer to 34 pounds, in an XL
- the review specifically mentioned it's a fantastic climber
- this comment section is definitely not cheering it on...
The fact that my Ripmo AF weighs 35 pounds-with a DD rear tire and CushCores does make me question the value proposition of the Ransom though.......
What fork and wheels are on your AF?
Further proof that Bold Cycles is, in fact, Scotts 'experimental' brand. Most of the development work here comes from the Linkin and the Unplugged.
As a Bold owner (very happy one) I can't wait to see all the comments about things which actually turn out to be complete non-issues (cable routing, servicing, maintenance, tracloc is pointless etc etc...)
This looks excellent.