Frame Details It should be no surprise that the Epic 8 comes exclusively in carbon fiber, but it's not quite as simple as one single frame offering. As per usual, Specialized is releasing the bike in the standard 11m layup as well as the slightly lighter 12m S-Works. Both frames have stiffness profiles tuned to each size's typical rider, meaning an XS will be far more compliant than the XL. This requires some re-engineering with each new layup schedule, and hopefully yields a better ride for each person in the range.
The big news with these new frames is the introduction of SWAT storage to the Epic platform. Where it had been avoided in the past due to weight considerations, the bikes now feature the 4th version of the system. The door is more secure than past versions, the lever is easy to operate, and the door feels very secure and stable, even with a full bottle on top. Apropos of Seb's
recent poll, it seems people are split on how passionate they are about the in-frame accessory cubby, but I for one am a fan.
In order to shave some precious grams off the frame (perhaps to make up for whatever gains accompanied the SWAT addition), Specialized co-molded the upper shock mount into the frame, making for an extremely efficient layup. They even went so far as to machine material away from the underside of the toptube at the forward shock mount, removing material and giving better access to shock lockout cables.
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Both frames feature a removable rotation limited on the headset, meant to keep the controls from nailing the toptube in the even of a crash or just a mere bike tipover. If you end up installing a higher rise bar, you can simply remove that limiter and go back to busting out perfect X-ups on your race bike.
The team pulled out all the stops to make the S-Works frame as light as possible, replacing all the suspension hardware with titanium counterparts, forming the shock yoke out of carbon fiber, and of course using that lighter carbon layup. One other detail that's luckily exclusive to the S-Works frame is headset cable routing, though it's not quite as bad as it may sound. Allegedly you'll only have to disconnect the rear brake hose in order to replace the upper headset bearing (a fairly rare job, to be fair), with the rest of the system remaining unaffected. This decision was due in part to the broader choice to give the S-Works frame no internal routing, making it essentially an AXS-only bike. There's provisions for the brake, but the rest is deleted for the sake of grams and simplicity.
Remember, every other bike in the lineup has standard tube-in-tube internal routing for everything, this hyper-efficiency is just reserved for the fanciest frame.
Frame WeightsClaimed weight for SM and MD S-Works frame + shock: 1795g
LG: 1840g, (45g more than medium)
XL: 1905g, (110g more than medium)
The 11m's frame materials, layup, and steel hardware + alloy shock extension put those frames 170g over S-Works 12m frames.
One thing to consider - you bolt a bottle cage to the door. The door does wear out and make noises or cracks. The edges may get worn down depending on the design with dirt and grime even if you don't use it. Different type of door/different plastic, but I'm on my 3rd Trek Checkpoint DI2.
Yeah, this looks like a great bike. I have a 2020 Epic Evo that I’ve setup with 130mm fork and Cane Creek DB-inline 190x42.5 shock. It’s a wonderful bike, and my only (very minor) complaints are all addressed in this update. Plus there’s storage in the frame with no weight penalty.
But can’t afford that anyway
@jfranci3 I've owned several 'Spec with cage, never ever had issues with the door. Only on one of the bikes the metal holding the door hinge would slip a few mm's every month, I just push it back and that's it. IDK why anyone, racing or not, would opt out of a frame door, and honestly I doubt the drag would even be close to 2% more. It's more likely the exact same drag, given what influences a mountain bike and the speeds and winds we ride at.
In the end I bought an Open with full Ekar and HED wheels for less money.
Pretty sure the new Stumpjumper will release pretty soon too. Probably at 140mm from what I hear, since the new Epic Evo is almost encroaching on the current gen Stumpjumper.
Yep and even 30 years ago they had great products. Really Spez, Trek, and Giant have done great things for the world of cycling that we have all benefited from.... And I don't own any of them so my opinion is fairly unbiased.
The claimed frame weight is not accurate:
flowmountainbike.com/tests/2024-specialized-epic-8-review-s-works
The S-works med frame was weighed at 2040g with flight attendant, remove 90g for flight attendant is 1950g.
The 2021-2023 Epic evo s-works medium frame is 1750g, that has a different shock with 10mm less rear travel and no frame storage. So maybe the frame storage adds 100g or 1/4 pound?
Now the 2024 Epic 8 Evo Pro frame is listed at 2210g per specialized, big weight increase there, downgrade to 11m carbon and has all the internal routing.
Some frames for comparison:
Santa Cruz Blur (100/110mm): 4.4lbs
Scott Spark (120mm): 4.1-4.4lbs
Transition Spur (120mm): 5.3lbs
Ibis Ripley V4 (120mm): 5.6lbs
Rocky Mountain Element (120mm): 5.35lbs
Yeti SB100 (100mm): 5.5lbs
Revel Ranger (115mm): 6.1lbs
Trek Fop Fuel (120mm): 5.96lbs*
Evil Following (120mm): 6.9lbs
*Denotes frame has storage compartment
(Both these comments cross-posted with other article since same frame)
Even the heavier normal frame crushing everyone but the Spark frames.
Not ideal, but if I was buying this I'd probably get a L, 470-480 seems to be my sweet spot on most my bikes and run a bit longer stem to get in a better climbing position....
I didn’t really read the into the review that much, but isn’t this bike still being raced by pros?
It's admittedly still surprising though given that the Spur and the Top Fuel are not aimed at spandex clad riders (or at least the Top Fuel isn't anymore), and this Epic is supposedly aimed more directly at customers who might otherwise be buying a Scott Spark RC, Trek Supercaliber, etc etc.
Does know how I can buy this without my wife finding out?
*taps head*
Does this mean the handling felt off with certain frame sizes?
So to maintain the same breakover angle, BB height has to increase as wheelbase grows.
Does this mean they are running stock down ready for the release of the new Enduro?
Has anyone any insider knowledge - your friend that works at Specialized has seen the new secret catalogue or something?
As for the new SW Epic 8, it wasn't a huge departure from my current Epic, EXCEPT for the FA. I love the FA. It worked flawlessly on technical steep climbs and handled the rough and bumpy sections very well. It's supposed to learn how you ride and your power output etc and gradually hone in on those numbers and better "adjust" the suspension to your riding style. I'd be very tempted to get the FA on my '22 Epic, but I know it will cost a pretty penny. Only downside I see thus far... 4 frickin batteries!
TL R Weird bike comparison, this new epic is a more capable and more polished epic evo already
And in contrast to previous bikes where the "trail" version is essentially just a 100mm bike with a 120mm fork on it, this looks like they thought about the geometry for both versions, and it can still be set in a "high" mode if you want to make it a little XC-racier.
Did the yolk whack the seat tube at the end of the vid? Was that just soft new paint and something attached to the bike?
The color of the Pro is worth at least 1/2 of the price difference between it and the Expert, to me. The Expert's red looks pretty good too, but the Pro color is the best of the bunch and looks amazing in real-world photos.
everything about this bike is exactly what I want
The Comp version in blue looks great!
Did you take the photos in an abandoned mill?
You're definitely feeling more at ease now. Less monotone, less looking at the floor. More voice pitch change and volume, more mannerisms and gesturing, better presentation posture. Great.
I hope you don't take this as overly harsh
Does the Element not count as an XC race bike?
@Tsoxbhk: Kaz fit Dario
@dariodigiulio: your crotch might like M9 in 50mm
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The standard frame allows mechanical drivetrain and dropper but routes all cables through the frame in a standard fashion, not through the headset at all.