Descending When it comes to describing how the AM.150 handles while descending, the word I keep coming back to is "solid".
Despite minimal chainstay protection, it's reassuringly quiet, which always helps instill a sense of calmness. The suspension is businesslike in the way it operates. Even with 30% sag and a volume spacer removed, there's loads of progression (I never felt it bottom-out) but at the same time, there's no sudden ramp-up of force making it feel like you've hit an invisible barrier before the end. Sensitivity near the start of the stroke is impressive, which is great for skimming across cambers or webs of roots without losing traction or momentum, but at the same time, there's plenty of support holding you up when pushing deeper into a corner. It's always measured with its use of travel, but it never feels harsh.
Much of the sense of composure comes from the suspension's built-in mechanical support (anti-squat and anti-rise) which stops it from slouching when you stamp on the pedals or pitching forwards when you jam on the brakes. The chassis feels stable and unfussy when things get hectic. This is partly why I preferred a less damped shock setup (especially on rebound) than recommended - you can run less damping for a more sensitive and lively feel without it becoming unsettled.
Even with my softer than recommended settings, it doesn't isolate you from the trail as much as some enduro bikes, especially when it comes to bigger hits, but the AM.150 is designed to be more of an all-rounder, and this is just a consequence of that support later in the travel which feels so good when pushing into corners and compressions.
The geometry is well-rounded, with no unusual quirks to get used to. Combined with the supportive and stable suspension, this makes for a composed and predictable ride in most terrain. At 65-degrees, the head angle is at the steeper end of the spectrum these days. When riding trails with little gradient and lots of tight bermed corners, jumps and rollers, this is no bad thing; it reduces the wheel flop and makes the steering quicker. With the rear suspension rewarding pumping and pedalling, this makes it feel nice and responsive. It's easy to muscle through tight turns and generate speed through them.
I briefly rode Gee Atherton's AM.150 at Dyfi bike park, which had the older tube set with a stiffer back end. Atherton say they updated the seatstay and chainstay since then, partly to add compliance on off-camber turns, although the bike I tested here still feels pretty stiff, which contributes to the solid and responsive feel when cornering hard.
When it came to the steeper trails in the Tweed Valley, the steering wasn't as predictable and steady as many of the slacker bikes these days. This is particularly true when there's a steep section with a step or trough into a corner. I definitely wouldn't describe it as twitchy, but not quite as steadfast in those situations as bikes that are a couple of degrees slacker. This is why I gravitated towards a setup with a softer shock, higher bar and shorter stem. The Fox 36 fork may not be as stout as the 38 mm chassis forks found on most enduro bikes these days either, and this may contribute to this steering sensation, but when I've tested the Fox 36 and Fox 38 back-to-back I found the handling differences in corners to be small. It's over large bumps and holes where the stiffer fork performs better.
The AM.150's supportive suspension and relatively steep head angle put it closer to the trail category than most thoroughbred enduro race bikes. This is easily forgotten given the downhill tires and the downhill pedigree of the siblings it's named after. But while there are enduro bikes that are more comfortable in the rough and more stable in the steepest chutes, the AM.150 holds its own compared to those bikes while feeling more at home on mellower and flatter terrain. It's a highly versatile bike.
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I like the no bullshit approach. Form, function and validated by none other than the Atherton family. If I had the money I would buy it in a heart beat.
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How was that?
the Athertons and Dave likely know more about this than you.......
yes I have ridden DH bikes. the thing about reach is that it is hugely dependant on stack. a DH bike has a ton more stack than an AM or enduro, so the reach is, on paper, less in a comparible size. On the bike it is different as you sag in far more. Secondly, a DH bike has a far different fore/aft balance(longer, slacker fork and longer stays), so they tend to be ridden a bit more off the back than a modern enduro/AM bike should be(I say should because there is obvious nuance and personal preference here. I am only speaking to the general layout and design intention).
Seriously though, you're weight is primarily centered at the BB, the proportions front to rear are important, I just think that going super slack isn't that important, it's all a balance, but the triangle that is BB, hands, front wheel contact point are the key metrics. I guess as I've got older I'll take the efficiency of my Foxy to let me right more, and the speed it carries through 90% or DH trails over the gains I got on my 170mm enduro bike I had before on the other 10%.
I spend a high percentage of my time climbing to enjoy a descent, so the climb needs to be comfortable for me
I wasn't trying to mock you, merely discussing the naming convention not relating to the intentions of the bike.
Which is the right bike? Please tell me, I need to stop buying the incorrect bike all the time.
Not sure what you want to tell me with your snarky second line? It sounds like you know quite well which bike you want.
were also very close to releasing two new models - the 130mm mentioned in the comments and a something that you guys asking for more travel are going to love...
We found people didn't actually like the full custom option - it freaked them out having so many options!
www.pinkbike.com/news/robot-bike-co-r160-custom-review-2016.html
Can’t remember whether they bought the company or bought their own production facilities in the end.
Bike radar has a article covering it all.
Wouldn't you just always pick the shorter seat tube and use a longer dropper? What benefit is there from a longer seat tube?
www.athertonbikes.com/media/athertons/tech-sheets/AM.150_GeoChart%20(REV.A%20-%2017.01.2022).pdfREV.A%20-%2017.01.2022
Serb’s articles are truly informative, detailed, systematic, and reliable. I feel like I learn a ton from his articles.
Great review.
Yeah, every one knows if your forks aren't thiccc enough and you try to ride in the "enduro" category, you'll just die! They should put bright orange warning labels: "Do NOT go full-enduro on this fork, warranty will be void and death may ensue". It doesn't matter if you're light and don't require or want the extra stiffness and weight, or if your fork is skinny but made differently to still have sufficient performance for you. If you're missing 2mm, you're f*cked!
Been following the whole Atherton bikes development for years and I can’t get rid of the feeling that there is something missing from the whole project.
Could just be that it’s all been done on the quiet unlike other builders who tend to splash their bikes all over media.
but that style is exactly what i want. frameset below 4k please. and chainstay little shorter than 445 @athertonbikesteam
I'd love to try one. If it was in the budget, I'd likely buy one. THIS is what a premium bike should look/ride like!!!!
but seriously in order to buy one of these you have to really really want the technology behind the frame construction, otherwise I don't see the attraction and ultimately don't see any benefit to the tech used other than to stand out
1. better frame fit as 23 standard sizes
2. extreme strength and durability
On this second point, we put all of our frames through the EFBE Category 5 (DH) test, as well as the Category 4 (enduro). The first frame we had tested with them had been used by Dan A in Dyfi for 6 months prior to testing, and still passed all 8 tests (many manufacturers use a new frame for each individual test).
Additionally, we have our bikes constantly being hammered by the WC race team and Dyfi dig crew, so know in real world conditions just how tough our bikes are.
The Athertons took a big leap of faith putting their name behind a new technology (it would have been a lot easier to go down the traditional material/manufacturing route) but they did this because they saw first hand just how tough the frames are.
But don't take my word for it - come and ride one at Dyfi!
I see this AM.150 as the "dh rider's trail bike", something that feels different enough to provide a nice experience, but still comfortable to push your limits on
The DW6 is so efficient that a few extra grams in the tubes quickly become irrelevant when you start pedalling.
But that's just us! We quickly learnt that you can't please everyone so the best thing to do is design products that we believe in. Cheers.
We genuinely expect the bikes to last forever, albeit aside from excessive crash damage (though our carbon tubes are actually very repairable if they do take a big hit).
We believe this because we use a design principle called "infinite life". This means that the frames will never be stressed beyond the Fatigue Limit (or Endurance Limit) for the individual parts and materials.
In practise this means that you can repeatedly load our parts to our maximum defined stress (which are equivalent to extreme DH riding) and they will never fatigue.
cheers!
Our tubes have been designed with a "zero growth" principle which gives added resilience to impact damage. There is a slight weight penalty that comes with this, but we think it is well worth it.
Strength and durability are at the top of our design requirements for every product.
That’s probably why my bike, the Revved GG Pistola, isn’t more popular. With the Spur, Epic Evo, Spark Trail, and a few other whippets in the market, a 7.5lbs frame/shock with “only” 130mm seems overly burly. I could rock a 160mm Gnarvana and only add a few grams.
1. the carbon tubes actually make up a relatively small proportion of overall weight so the net result of this approach is very minimal
2. we actually have a number of different carbon layup specs which we vary across products. These changes are actually driven by flex/compliance performance, but a consequence is a lighter tube on less aggressive bikes.
3. Most importantly, our principle testers are called Dan, Gee and Rachel! They don't care what travel a bike is - they are going to ride it how they want and expect it to take what they throw at it, again and again!
Cheers
Thanks for sharing all the details Atherton Bikes!
Anything is possible with AM (additive manufacturing) but we are a small team so need to prioritise project very carefully. But it is definitely on the cards - we have a long journey ahead of us! Cheers
All the best with the new bikes, looking really positive!
1. Clearly there are not a lot of these bikes around to demo. If you were to suggest a similar bike to demo (to get a feel for suspension and ride) what would it be? Ibis Ripmo?
2. The review mentioned it takes 16 hours (!) to print a set of lugs. Do you have multiple printers? If not wouldn't this mean you can only make ~500 frames a year?
Thanks
@chrismac70: I felt exactly the same until I took one for a test at the Dyfi bike park. My local trail is Cannock which is very pedally and so I wanted something that was equally as good on this type of trail but I could also take to the Alps for high alpine natural terrain riding, which is steep, very rocky and has a tendency to break bikes. After riding it at Dyfi, it climbed way better than I expected but the confidence it gave immediately when going down was a revelation. Solid, nimble, poppy and flickable were the words I kept repeating.
The stability at speed on the motorway section at the bottom had me laughing out loud.
I've ridden a lot of trail and enduro bikes and it had a unique feel of mid way between the two which is exactly what I want. In short, I'm sold
Great article!
When it's kept in a simple shape (i.e. a simple tube instead of complex sharp shapes), and when it is only subjected to simple load cases (i.e. away from complex multi load scenarios like at a bottom bracket), and when it doesn't have inserts creating stress raisers (i.e. around pivot mounts) then it is very well suited.
Its also surprisingly repairable if it does take impact damage. Our race team have used frames that have had a rock strike and then been repaired. Again, simple forms that are subject to simple loads are easy to repair. Cheers.
USD > Euro
USD price > Euro price (excluding all taxes)
WTF, where did i go wrong?
Mountain biking?
We've thought and tested very carefully around the different types of enduro style riders and think we've got a good balance between our two offerings. Keeps an eye out..
The fact that you're here in the comments section supporting your product, ideas and design says a lot about you both as people and as a company... Keep up the good work
Time will tell the longevity of this design. After 3-4 years of ownership and hard charging.
But many our firstfifty customers have also had bikes for 2 years now and we've yet to hear of a failure..
www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC85QaN0hng
Also I was selling Lotus when the Elise for came out with the Rover K series engine. They fell apart!
And yes a few were put in ditches and walls!