When it comes to quality hubs, spokes, and rims, DT Swiss is a brand that is held in high regard, even by keyboard warriors’ standards. Aimed to tackle gravity riding, from the World Cup downhill circuit to events like Red Bull Hardline, DT Swiss introduced their FR 1500 alloy wheelset.
These replace the FR 1950 with a higher-end hub and redesigned rim, which DT Swiss claims to reduce the occurrence of snake bite punctures during testing. They’re available in dual 27.5 or 29”, and also mixed diameters on hubs for popular enduro and downhill bike frame spacing.
Weight-wise, they're lighter than some carbon competitors and cost roughly half as much. Whether that adds up in the long run can be determined by how hard you are on wheels, but we'll let you know below how ours fared.
DT Swiss FR 1500 Classic Details• Rim material: aluminum
• Wheel specs: 27.5 or 29" diameter, 30mm internal width
• Spokes: 28 front, 32 rear - J-bend Competition double butted
• ProLock Squorx ProHead aluminum nipples
• Drivers: Shimano HG, MS 12, SRAM XD
• Hubs: DT Swiss 240
• Hub width: 15x110mm, 20x110 Boost - front / 12x148 Boost, 12x150(157) - rear
• Weight: 2039g - actual (MX, 157, XD)
• Price: $1,152.80 USD / €899.80 EUR / ₣946.80 CHF
• Warranty: 2 years on all components
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dtswiss.com The redesigned edge has a wider surface area. When tested with an undisclosed leading tire brand, the new rim proved to reduce the number of pinch flats by up to 17%, compared to the FR 1950 Classic wheels.
Design & SpecsUnderstanding DT Swiss'
naming scheme can be complex, but it makes sense once you know the code. High-end alloy rims get two letters, and the lower the four-digit number, the higher the hub quality. Following that series, a word is used to describe the spoke type.
To de-code the wheels reviewed here, they use their premium mountain hubs, “Classic” J-bend spokes, alloy nipples, and aluminum rims featuring a welded seam versus a pinned join.
At the heart of these wheels are 240 hubs that run on DT’s Star-Ratchet system. The two clutch plates have opposing ramped teeth and are pushed together by a spring on each side. They rotate with little friction and put out an identifiable hum.
At the rear wheel, the 157mm wide option is built to the Super Boost specification, not the regular 157 DH option. The difference here lies in the spoke bracing angles (although the spoke hole offset on the rim can also influence this). Super Boost 157 maximizes the hub width and moves the disc-side flange further outboard for more lateral stiffness. 157 DH uses a narrower flange width but the same spoke length per side and therefore the same tension, at least in the case of DT Swiss's hubs and rims.
Changing drivers or rear hub ends caps is a tool-free process. The front hub caps take a bit more muscle to remove and press of sorts to replace them - a socket or similar sized cylinder will do the trick.
Moving outward, the spokes are DT Swiss’ J-bend, double-butted type and thread into aluminum ProLock Squorx ProHead nipples. Compared to brass nipples, you’ll save about 25g per wheel. The end of the nipple that rests in the rim eyelet can be tightened with six-sided Squorx tool, in addition to a regular four-sided spoke key. The nipples are not the longest that DT makes, so some attention is required when fitting a spoke key on there to avoid stripping them.
Aluminum is still DT Swiss’ preferred rim material for gravity riding but the big talking point is the new rim bead profile. During development DT Swiss observed that the wider lip reduced flat by up to 17% when using control tires.
Pricing and weightThere are a ton of numbers being thrown around here, however, the 1500 refers to neither the price nor the weight. With a price tag of $1,152 USD, the gravity wheelset weighs in at 2039g (as tested).
Cost-wise, that’s not too far above another popular alloy wheel chosen by multiple World Cup teams, Stan’s Flow MK4 wheelset, which goes for $995 USD. Those come in all the same hub widths as the FR 1500, plus they include a 3-year warranty and 1-year crash replacement too.
Both wheelsets use double-butted, J-bend spokes and welded rim joints. The one upside to the DT Swiss is that you can upgrade the hub to a quicker engaging hub, but that can be a rider preference.
Test SetupThese wheels from DT Swiss are aimed at the freeride and downhill racing crowd so fitting them to a mixed-wheel Nukeproof Dissent Carbon that was in for testing seemed most appropriate. It wouldn't be out of line to consider mounting them to enduro and E-bike bikes either, however, DT Swiss has specific wheels for those segments too.
The hub dimensions used were Boost DH (20x110mm) and 12x157 Super Boost with an XD freehub body.
Mounting everything went as planned and even the stiff sidewalls of Michelin’s DH tires inflated easily using a regular floor pump for a tubeless setup. These were primarily set between 22-25 psi, depending on conditions. That might seem low, but those tires have a much stiffer casing than Maxxis or Schwalbe downhill tires. When Maxxis DH casing tires were installed, the pressures went up by 2-3 psi.
Ride ImpressionsCarbon rims aren’t all built to the same stiffness, but what about aluminum hoops? Aren’t those basically all the same? No, but the differences can be less apparent. I’ve also found that aluminum wheels can also rely on spoke tension to provide certain ride characteristics more than carbon. That could be because a carbon rim naturally retains its shape - aluminum will do that too, but to much lower degree.
The DT Swiss FR 1500 wheelset gives a comfortable ride that is fairly stiff yet sends very little force from rim strikes through the bike. When the tire does bottom out against the rim, the noise and feedback is damped and dull, in a positive way. There were a few more of those than I’d like to admit as they were put through their paces during Whistler Crankworx.
Carving through turns, I never felt the rear wheel was too noodly at the stock spoke tension. They also tracked well across off-camber sections of trail without bouncing me offline or chattering through brake bumps.
DurabilityThe FR 1500s have lasted the better part of a season with regular bike park abuse, including both dry and rainy weather stints. At the center, the hubs still spin freely and quietly. The Star Ratchet never skipped a beat and hasn’t shown signs of wear. In fact, the stock grease is still looking pristine.
Generally, I’d say I’m not overly abusive on wheels, keeping in mind that accidents do happen. However, I did manage to put a moderately small flat spot in the rim without recalling any poor line choice during the particular lap. That led to a very slow leak at the bead, but after pouring some extra sealant in and swishing it around, the problem was resolved. Other than that minor setback, no tires were blown off or pinch-flatted.
In terms of maintenance, I never experienced any sudden loss of spoke tension after the first few rides, and the wheels only required one or two quick visits to the truing stand throughout their use. During those jobs, you’ll want to use DT’s square spoke key that captures three corners of the square nipple. Those aren’t always on hand, which is why I’d prefer brass nipples for the sake of a small weight penalty. For the price, it'd be swell if the precise spoke key was supplied.
Pros
+ Reasonably stiff and robust for aluminum wheels
+ Hubs are well sealed witout sacrificing rolling resistance
+ Factory build held tension for impressively long period of time
Cons
- Aluminum nipples work best with specific spoke key - use of common spokes keys can strip the soft metal
- Front and rear rims are specific to the spoke hole count, which means you can't carry just one spare rim (if you use the same diameter wheels)
Pinkbike's Take | Overall, the DT Swiss FR 1500 wheelset has been the most reliable and trustworthy alloy option I’ve ridden. They’ve lasted through a solid chunk of the summer aboard a downhill bike without asking for much in the way of maintenance.
The low-friction Star Ratchet system and comfortable ride quality make the FR 1500s a desirable choice for racers who are seeking efficiency and compliance. — Matt Beer |
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I don't watch high-school level math videos and they aren't for me--but does that mean that I think they should never have been posted and make fun of the people who do? No.
"They're [Loam Ranger] just pissed that they aren't as big as Pinkbike." I think thats Loam Ranger's point...The guys at Pinkbink feel fine posting their perspective "looking down" from their giant brand on the new influencers posting videos/tiktoks trying to build their own content, but don't see how that stance is hypocritical/egotistical. Don't get me wrong, I love the field test videos, but by Henry's logic, why should I take advice/compare what bike to buy from a magazine company that hired a bunch of "failed racer low-lifes" who want to give me their opinion on the newest bikes?They're not experts (as in racers or engineers), so why should they post videos on it? By Henry's notion--they are just as much a "failed racer" as anyone else making YouTube videos. What do they offer more than anyone else? They're just like the rest of us. But because they work at Pinkbike, they feel fine looking down on smaller content creators who post content "bumbling down the train."
It's the negative/looking down egotistical hypocrisy that's the concerns. Sorry for writing so much but I despise "empty suit experts" to reference The Black Swan by Nassim Taleb.
He took 2 15 second sound bites from an edited 1 hour podcast and presented it without context. And that’s kinda what media does now. Clickbait title and thumbnail. Outrageous short clip. Cartoonish shock reaction.
If you are upset, go back and listen to the pod and get full context. You owe yourself that if nothing else.
Please keep bumbling and having fun.
Punching down like the PB guys did in that podcast is just a completely shitty thing to do, and LR took offense and decided to surface the shittiness to his own audience. (Note: he's already got more than 50% of the subs of the PB channel, very nice considering how big and old PB itself is) There is literally no reason to bitch about newbie vids on YT unless you just want to be mean. Everyone has to start somewhere.
They even have been known to respond to criticism right here on the site sometimes with "you don't have to read/watch it!" They need to take their own advice, and also not be complete a*sholes towards people just getting started with riding and sharing their love of riding!
It _IS_ worth getting pissed about. They _are_ representing the whole site by getting paid by the site do to a podcast for the site. They are representing the whole industry by virtue of the fact they're one of the biggest and most well-known sites in the world. They are allegedly leaders of the business as "Managing Technical Editor" and "Senior Technical Editor & Video Strategy Manager". The guy in charge of videos is telling people not to bother posting their own videos to the biggest user-driven content site on the planet! And the manager of all technical editors agrees with him! That's f*cked up, since Pinkbike and the rest of the mtb internet community wouldn't f*cking exist as it is without people sharing janky videos of "bumbling down trails". I mean, PB's CMS _still_ has hosting and favoriting for user-posted videos and pictures: it's literally made for and of the very thing they're shitting on!
Not to mention that one could easily argue that no one needs to post yet another video of someone bumbling through "how to clean your headset". Questionable value demonstrated perfectly right there, since there are only a thousand of those arlready. That vid could have been replaced with a couple paragraphs and a handful of pictures, but I guess video views are more important than article views for the bosses over there, hence the recent proliferation of redundant videos about basic bike shit. Perhaps why they now want to discourage competition, and they're doing it by disparaging the very thing they grew from.
It is funny that us mortals shouldn't upload our rides, I mean how else do they get Friday Fails??
I'm only 145lbs and typically run 24/27psi with a rear insert, but went through a 511 in about a year and a 541 in 4 days (those were four Whistler days). I'm pretty tired of rebuilding alloy rims and leaning towards going all in on We Are One's.
Curious to hear what's working for other riders.
A good rim replacement is cool. Wao is great in that regard. Others not so much.
Using mechanically locking nipples with Stans powder and rigorous pre-stressing has helped me a ton, I'm definitely of the opinion that a sub-par wheel build combined with a rider who never checks spoke tension is the root cause of many many short-lived alloy rims.
I've been toying around with building a hybrid (alloy front, carbon rear) wheelset, love the way alloy rims ride (especially on the front) but I'm not convinced you can build any alloy DH rear strong enough to truly be "set and forget" level of reliable. DT or Spank 28h front paired with WAO strafe 32h rear would be how I'd build it up.
I swapped to 511's and they are straight as they are bought them. 195 pounds from 23 read 26
The custom MK4s I had built for the hardtail have been bulletproof and I intend to get a FR541 built up for the Status. Anything 28H I stay away from.
Very impressed with the Ibis Blackbird alloy wheels that i have on another bike. The wider rim gives 2.5 Maxxis tires a very nice profile. I raced the Trans Madeira on those wheels with Maxxis DH tires and no inserts and never had an issue. I think that the Ibis alloy wheels might be my favorite setup currently
My own DT EX511 builds are fine, and I have a bag full of the OEM nipples because people didn't want wheels built with them. More decent nipples for my own builds I guess....
I've also not noticed spoke key engagement issues, but maybe these nipples have shorter keyed sections than the ones that come with the rims only. Greasing under the heads of the nipples helps keep the nipples turning easier in the long term.
FWIW I wouldn't use alloy nipples if I was riding in the wet all the time, and keeping the bike in a wet environment but otherwise I'm not too picky.
@rbsnyder333: exactly. The grams saved are tiny. The same EX511 that had aluminum nipples that started popping off in their second season was rebuilt with brass nipples back in 2019. Not a single issue with that wheel since.
Did you see it published somewhere? Or dealer only info or somesuch.
They're bordering on a carbon wheelset in terms of price so I'm scratching my head a little trying to figure this one out. A set of We Are Ones are only ~$400 more and you get Carbon and I9 Hydra hubs, for comparison.
Another argument I'd make for carbon (for WaO since we're already discussing that brand) is the lifetime warranty. My experience with carbon (Raceface rims in my case) has been flawless so far in ~3 years of riding them so I don't really agree with the sentiment that they will break in a year. But all brands are different
i9's also require a dedicated set of specialty tools to service-DT you only need bearing tools. WAO rims are good-but better than DT? No. And you'd have to burn through 3 DT rims to get to the same cost.
Personally, I ride the North Shore/Squamish/Whistler mountains, riding pretty fast and hard and I'm about 230 lbs with all the gear on. No broken carbon wheels under me yet. My riding buddies with carbon aren't as big as I am (175 to 200lb range) but they certainly ride harder, also without a carbon rim failure in their history.
Any flat pedals should be benchmarked against Deftraps.
Any wheels should be benchmarked against DTs.
Without that context, a product can get a positive review even if that product isn't as good (or as good a value) as the best option.
Hilarious that you had to put an "FYI" on this. They're supposed to be giving us the info!
About the spoke tension, can somebody redirect me to some proof of this having an impact on wheel stiffness??
In theory, the only case where it has an impact is if some spokes see sometimes 0N of tension during the ride... Which should never happen right?
Isn't this the case with any spoke nipple? Even brass nips can get stripped if you use the wrong sized tool. And is it the material or the size that has you concerned? In the main article the short length was mentioned, but the con was about the material itself...
You made me go look up what the stock ratchet is. DT site is a bit cagey, but I assume "EXP36" means 36 teeth, or 10 degrees.
These look burly, but are crushed in price by Santa Cruz Reserve alloy DH wheels with I9 1-1 hubs & lifetime warranty at under $600 shipped to your door.
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