Descending This is a particularly easy bike to ride fast on rough terrain. The rear suspension transmits that little bit less feedback when riding over very bumpy ground than most bikes. The H4 size in the slacker setting is super stable and surefooted when tackling steep and rough sections too. The combined effect is a bike that's forgiving of mistakes and easy on your (lower) body even when riding uplifted downhill runs all day. The long front center occasionally takes some effort to keep on top of - in a flat, loose corner I had to consciously put weight on the handlebar - but this could be mitigated by running the steeper headset and/or swapping the 35 mm stem for a 40 mm one (it's surprising how much difference 5 mm makes). I never felt like I should have gone for a smaller size, but for me, the H4 with the slacker headset requires focus to keep on top of the front wheel when negotiating tight, flat corners. Get a bit lazy and the front can run away from you.
The flip side is that when pointed down steep, nasty chutes there is no fear of going over the front or the front wheel tucking under. And of course, the ability to steepen the head angle and reign in the front-centre for flatter courses is a huge plus.
But while the HB.916 can be easy to ride fast, it's a little finicky to set up the Öhlins air shock for all-around riding. I soon realized I needed to run less than 30% sag to provide enough mid-travel support to match the fork through berms and when climbing, but too much less than 30% sag and it sometimes felt harsh on big landings and steps without using all the travel. It still soaks up brick-sized bumps nicely, but that hint of end-stroke harshness meant I was regularly adjusting air pressure/sag depending on whether the day's riding involved more bermed corners or steep steps and holes. I never found a setting that was a good all-round setup for everywhere.
Fundamentally, the Öhlins air shock doesn't offer much mid-stroke support, whereas the fork is very supportive in the first two-thirds of the travel. This creates some suspension imbalance, which could be part of the reason I occasionally struggled with front wheel grip in flat corners. Simply running less sag (as little as 26%) helped, but this compromised the smooth ride in other areas. Fitting a smaller volume spacer while running around 28% sag and plenty of compression damping offered a better compromise, but I strongly suspect a coil shock would suit the bike best.
The rebound damping tune was a little odd too. If set more than two or three clicks from fully closed, the shock felt too unsettled. It never topped out, but it came too fast towards full extension creating a pitching sensation. Anything more than halfway open was far too springy near the start of the stroke, but fully closed was perfectly useable, especially for long descents with big features. I was able to find a good setting in the 0-2 clicks range, but it's odd for me to be painted into a corner with the rebound almost as slow as it goes - I generally prefer the rebound fast. I think part of the problem is the shock's spring curve, which seems to generate more spring force near the start of the travel than some more linear air shocks, and this makes the rear suspension feel less settled into its travel. Again, a coil shock would solve this problem.
While I'm complaining, the Maxxis EXO+ casing tires wouldn't be my first choice. I never punctured, but the flexible casing still wobbles and pings when pushed hard on the rough terrain where the bike should excel.
I also tested the HB.916 with the
Fox 38 and RockShox Zeb, and preferred how it rode with either. The stock Öhlins fork is pretty firm right from the start of the travel and offers lots of mid-stroke support with a fairly firm damping tune. As the shock lacks support in the middle of the stroke, I found the suspension felt more balanced with the Zeb up front. Its spring curve matched the shock better, so the bike stayed more level and didn't squat as much during hard cornering. On the subject of forks, I've seen Hope's 35 mm carbon handlebar blamed for hand buzz, and while I didn't find this too problematic in either case, I think the Öhlins fork is more likely to cause hand fatigue than the bar.
But while setup isn't straightforward with the Öhlins air suspension, once you get it in a good place (around 28% sag in my case) and pointed down a rough and rooty race stage, this bike starts to make a lot of sense. I'm not sure how much the mid-high pivot takes the sting out of square edge bumps, but it certainly doesn't seem to hurt, especially when you're riding through repeated rock impacts. The drivetrain remains quiet, with minimal chain slap, which feeds into the bike's overall calm and reassuring quality when the trail gets hectic. At the same time, it's easy and intuitive to loft the front wheel or hop trail obstacles and to maintain a balanced weight distribution between the wheels - unlike some (very) high-pivot bikes. It's no jibber's bike, but neither the agility nor the climbing performance are overly compromised for pure descending speed.
"The bridge gets very close to the seat tube when the shock is sat on the bottom-out bumper and will just touch if bottomed-out hard"
seriously?
(I'm not buying one though as it's still more than I would spend.)
Seriously, that’s something that shouldn’t happen, even if the contact might be minimal.
Mine has about the same clearance as the tyre/seatstay bridge with my 90kg jumping on the bike (coil shock, no spring, still taken from a GoPro) - I am pretty sure I couldn’t bottom it out any harder with no spring.
I’ve since tested that a few times with some ugly overshoot bottom outs & can confirm (an H3 at least) does not get that close.
Also, no Ohlins on mine, which sounds like where most of the issues lie. Don’t know why they just don’t put anything else on it.
Accurate review although I thought it climbs better than average for a 160mm enduro sled…
Clearance using a 29x2.4" Big Betty on XM481 was good, when better, obviously, as a mullet... Exactly the same combo but 27.5x2.4". Still loads of clearance with a Kryptotal 27.5x2.4".
And never or noticed any issues with the bridge on either setting, with ohlins coil or Float X.
If I can be arsed tomorrow I'll put the chips back in 29" and measure up the e2e gap without the shock
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Maybe the shock. I only ever rode mine with an Ext storia, which keep you fairly high in travel.
I’ve had an ohlins ttx before and I remember that sat quite low in the travel when climbing.
@darkstar66: Don't need to have either, buy a better designed British bike like Deviate or Bird.
By comparison, the Hope (in my experience) rides better (albeit not with Ohlins), is quieter & better made. I can say I’ve not had any of the issues experienced.
Also for the record, if you are worried about tyre clearance on this (I’m not, I can get a full forefinger between the brace and a 2.4” Michelin) then really don’t look at a Claymore. The inside of the chainstay up by the linkage looks like I had a party with Wolverine
Deviate said their r&d into alternative materials and processes (e.g the ti bike) is about onshoring manufacturing....so its something they want to do.
When you are manufacturing overseas 1) you have to order in large batches (which will be a massive finanical risk to a tiny co like deviate 2) you have to wait 2 months while they ship on the water.
Whatever people's views are about this seat stay bridge, the consistent point across all the reviews of this bike is the manufacturing quality and finish of the carbon. Frame only is also at a similar price point to deviate.
I don't think this is the worst idea to have bren presented in pinkbike comments!
If it's so risky why do Deviate do it? Why don't they do what Hope do?
Maybe you should present your idea to Deviate
I wouldn't presume to know why Deviate have done what they have done. Hope is is £20m+ turnover business. Deviate I expect are at least one order of magnitude smaller than that.
I am sure if both parties wanted to do it they would have done it already.
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That's a Maxxis 2.5 by the way
Any 1 of those things would be a deal breaker for me, before even considering how the bike actually rides
Just like a Jaguar or a Range Rover has a perfect interior except it’s at the shop all the time.
Asian carbon frames are also all hand laid-and the clear coated ones are also perfect or close to it.
I do agree with issues setting up the Ohlins suspension. I had the fork revalved as it was too heavily damped for me. Also tried the bike with its original Ohlins coil, and a 2024 Float X2, but was dissatisfied with both and ended up putting on a Push Elevensix I had from a previous bike. Really pleased with that setup!
I was able to try one on pretty mellow trails, seeemed like a good bike, okay pedaler, but just can't justify it at this price. You can buy an Arrival for 11.5k with taxes, and you get the new X01 transmission, Carbon wheels, AXS dropper.
Top work, detailed stuff…
Ohlins doesn't have suggestions on the reviewed bike, yet, but I can't understand that setup.
"The bridge gets very close to the seat tube when the shock is sat on the bottom-out bumper and will just touch if bottomed-out hard"
This is a total deal breaker, surely. How it didn't make the con column is beyond me.
I wonder if it was designed for that setup and the full 29er was a bodge after later requests from the pro riders?
Awesome to see a properly british bike though, if I had cash to burn & if you could run mineral oil in the brakes instead of DOT it'd be on my shopping cart.
The heavy criticism being dished out is fully deserved if Hope is going to claim 29" compatibility; would've been better to call it a dedicated mixer and/or make a separate 29" version - which wouldn't be hard to do, since it requires only a couple machined pieces that are made in-house.
The lever feeling is lovely but not for everyone´s taste,lever has little dead travel and power come in a very linear way. Pad engagement is crystal clear,lovely in low speed low grip situations.
With this setup I got 0 problems since last winter,perfect for my enduro bike. But it is totally experimental,my rear brake is out of the box. I would not trust 100% doing both brakes same time from 0 without good testing period.
What's a consumer to believe, especially when its so hard to demo these bikes in the states?(!)
That's an incorrect generalization. There are plenty of "non-high-pivot" bikes with anti-rise averaging at or above 80%. Most simple-single-pivots (ie: Kona, Evil, Orange) are in this range, if not higher. They are definitely not going to "pitch the bike forward as much as" your hypothetical collection of "non-high-pivot" bikes.
I'm still curious about the TRP DHR evos, but at least in a parking lot test I prefer the tech 4. I've also ridden Shimano XT, code rsc's, and Saints. Magura sounds too on/off for me.
Of course I also prefer Dominions over Tech 4s, but the Hopes would be my second choice if I couldn't get Dominions for some reason
To me the initial bite of the Hayes is stronger, and then the two brakes felt very similar, with an intuitive, linear-feeling ramp up in power with lever stroke.
If you're looking for the most all-out power with least lever stroke it'd probably be Shimano Saints (though I've had very little time on them myself), but shimano brakes feel too easy to lock up to me. The Hayes have great initial bite but then feel easier to modulate through additional power. Your mileage may vary depending on rotors, pads, bleed, terrain, etc. etc.
I shorten rear brake hose, reconnect it, don't bleed the brake and work fine.
Best brakes and super powerfull
I've ridden both on the steepest things I ride (my brother has dominions and we swap bikes sometimes). After an adjustment lap, I'm perfectly happy with either option for the steeps, so this isn't just from a parking lot test.
I do prefer the dominion lever blade shape slightly.
You could have condensed it to
"Bit average, really expensive"
This bike is close to great, but now Hope needs to fix the remaining issues-and that should have been done before releasing the bike.
Quite a few comments from owners saying it’s a non issue & pretty much everyone else who has reviewed the bike has been overwhelmingly positive.
The tyre clearance thing is another non-issue. I’ve been running 2.5WT tyres front and rear in UK slop for months now and there’s absolutely zero tyre clearance issues.
This review, while mainly positive seems like he’s clutching at straws to find negative points.
Mid-high pivot = all the benefits of a high pivot + the convenience of a low pivot. Or some like that. Sincerely, the Hope marketing department.
Overpriced, overdamped and overrated IMO.
Con - cant fit a 3" gazza in the back, absolute rubbish.
As a privateer 161 owner, and as I know that you’ve been riding that one for quite some time, I still can’t figure out if I should or need to upgrade to another bike?
A little more playfulness and a little less weight would be nice. But, riding a canyon, that everybody will ride within the next couple of month, kinda puts me off …
Merida has the stupid head angle routing. Transitions are sooo expensive. Raaw is kinda a privateer - so why change. …
Would love your input!
But I got mine over 3 years ago as a frame only (was on the preorder list of the first batch) and many of the parts that I took from my old bike are crying out loud to be upgraded by now.
As upgrading fork, shock, drivetrain, etc is quite expensive, I’m a little hesitant if it wouldn’t be „better“ to get a whole new and shiny bike instead
However, a high pivot bike will probably never be good-looking in any traditional sense of the word.
Odd T47 BB choice
Has UDH but NO Transmission support
High-Pivot that is already dead and mostly hated
No tire clearance
A hard bottom-out will connect the seatstay bridge and seat tube
Hard to setup brakes and suspension (I do think Hope brakes are money, and Ohlins is legit though)
Rattly and broken seatclamp during testing
Using most industry standards now a plus
Around 8K
Que?
Anti-squat: Percent.