Hunt is a UK-based direct-to-consumer brand that makes wheels, as well as having strong ties with their sister-brand Privateer bikes. They've recently shaken up their range by releasing the Proven range of carbon wheels. This whole new family of wheels aims to deliver a carbon wheel at a good price, as well as offering more than just low weight. In fact, I would go as far to say that the primary reason Hunt has made these wheels out of carbon is about feel and compliance more than a number on the scale.
Hunt Proven Details• Wheel size: 29"
• Intended use: Enduro
• Rim material: Front & rear specific carbon layups
• Rim width: 30mm (internal)
• Hubs: 5° RapidEngage
• Weight: 1929g total
• MSRP: $1,266 USD
• More info:
www.huntbikewheels.cc In some ways, the Proven Endruo wheelset, which also have an XC counterpart, are a good reflection of where the carbon-wheel debate is currently at. Yes, you can make a carbon wheel very light, but to only pursue a low rim weight wouldn't be to explore the full landscape of potential benefits.
If you ask your average mountain biker about their thoughts on carbon wheels, the word "failure" might just come up, and it's not without good reason. When carbon wheels used to fail, which is thankfully a far less common occurrence these days, the result would often be a spectacular explosion, rather than the dinging or bending you might see on an alloy rim of similar quality. However, over the past decade or so carbon wheels have arguably become more reliable than alloy offerings, and that's for several reasons.
Firstly, it's more common to see a carbon rim suffer enough damage to warrant a replacement without shattering like glass. Carbon wheels aren't vulnerable to dinging or dents. As somebody that quite often dings alloy rims, it's nice to have a wheelset that is quite simply good or it's not, without having to question whether one, two or three dents are enough to warrant replacement. It also seems that more and more carbon wheels aren't hamstrung by having to be light, and more brands are making heavier, racier and more durable wheels. Hunt are by no means the only brand to explore the idea of burlier and more durable carbon rims. You only have to see World Cup riders' bikes, where racers can go a whole year without so much as breaking one single wheel (Pinkbike Racing's Ben Cathro did three seasons on one set of Reserve rims before putting them out to stud).
This divergence of what a carbon wheel should be was a long time coming. Yes, there are some people that may well see carbon rims as a gateway to reduce the weight of their XC bike, but I think for most riders and racers, we just want something strong and reliable. This distancing from the ideal of low weight has also led designers to explore another property of carbon wheels - their comfort. You can, of course, find many alloy wheels that are comfortable. The issue isn't so much if it can be done with anything other than carbon, because of course it can, but rather how that comfort is balanced with lateral stiffness. Last year I reviewed the Trail Wide V2 wheels from Hunt. While they were very comfortable, and were 200 grams and half the price of the Provens, when you pushed the bike into turns they did feel more vague on the front and flexier on the back.
DesignThe wheels use front and rear-specific carbon layups and spoke gauges. This is all to try and give the front and rear wheels different qualities, and let them play and do what is demanded of them. The front's design and build puts a greater emphasis on comfort and compliance, whereas the rear is meant to be more impact resistant.
Hunt oftentimes publishes their internal testing data from their self-made jig. In the instance of the Proven enduro wheels, they show that they're the most impact-resistant wheel they've ever made, as well as beating some other notable industry competitors. However, by their own admission, they weren't able to make it quite as resilient as the Reserve 30 HD wheels.
The rims use a 30 mm internal width and a 37 mm outer. Their 23 mm profile does make them relatively shallow. This, I would imagine, is interlinked with compliance. Both wheels use 28-hole rims. However, the front uses a more flexible 1.6 mm central diameter spoke, whereas the rear uses a slightly larger 1.8 mm. The rims are intended for tires between 2.35" and 2.6". The front hub uses a 6061-T6, and the rear a 7075-T6 alloy. Both use Revo bearings with full contact seals with extra thick 17mm axles. The engagement of the freehub is 5 degrees.
I should have cleaned the hubs but I didn't as I'm a bad boy.
Test SetupDuring testing, I ran these rims with and without inserts, and with several different tires. A great deal of time was spent on Vittoria's new Mazza Enduro Casing tire (around 1500g), a Mazza and Martello combination in their trail casing with DH inserts (950-1000g with Rimpact Pro in the Front and CushCore Pro in the rear), Continental's Krypotal range in their downhill casing (around 1200 g), as well as Versus All Mountain tyre in both the Gravity and the Trail casing (1500 and 1050 g respectively).
Pressures varied a lot. In the heavier tires, I ran as little as 22 psi in the front and on the lighter tires as much as 26 PSI. My rear pressures varied, too, going between 25 and 30 psi. I spent a great deal of time on these wheels in the mountains and volcanos of Patagonia, and then riding around Squamish. To say these wheels have seen their fair share of rocks would be a drastic understatement.
On the TrailThe Hunt RapidEngage hub did all that was asked of it. I think 5 degrees is very respectable and is very adequate for my intentions.
The wheels offer compelling claims about comfort, so how does that stack up on the trail? Well, honestly they're pretty good. That said, they've very much within similar realms of comfort to other wheels. However, there are three things that set the Hunt Proven apart - they're stiffer and more impact resistant than alloy wheels that offer a similar level of comfort. They're more comfortable than wheels that can shrug off the same type of hits, and finally, while I acknowledge that there are other carbon wheels that can offer these traits, I would say the Hunt manages to include them in a far better value package.
My personal preference for wheels, and it should be noted that I like riding natural, fast turns and off-camber tech more than all-out braking bumps, questionable hucks and bike-park chunder, is a lower spoke count and a laterally stiffer rim. I have found that this setup tends to bleed into my desired traits for a wheel.
The front wheel does track well, and I look forward to coming back with more data and comparison as I conduct a compliance test on several wheels that claim to have comfort at their core. The Hunt Proven wheels were a wheel that just blended into the bike, and I never suffered any fatigue due to a harsh, rigid feeling front end. In fact, I would say these wheels deliver the comfort of the Trail Wide alloy wheels, with a similar weight, but the lateral stiffness of the Enduro Wide alloy wheels, which are quite a bit heavier.
DurabilityI had several large impacts on these wheels, and had the rim clanging-and-banging off any number of rocks and roots, but for a long time there were no failures or burps. Before I go into the eventual failure of this wheel, I want to preface it with my thoughts and expectations around what is reasonable to expect.
Firstly, shit happens. I rode these wheels for six months, and really battered them several times, and they stayed true and intact. Eventually, I hit my rim so hard that it sliced a tire open at the tread through a Cushcore Pro insert. The sheer noise at the time made me think I'd killed the rim.
A week later, after replacing the tire, I came off a drop while I was bracketing some suspension, and I blew the rear. It's so hard for me to say exactly what happened or be sure, but I think I damaged the wheel after the first impact, and then teased the damage out with the second. Coming off the drop, you do land in rough terrain, and as you do so you are trying to brake as you land to scrub speed. There is also a chance I just got on the brakes a fraction too early.
I did my best to label the cracks to help show where the damage was. It looks like the whole box-section between the two spokes was damaged. You can also see cracks at the spoke holes.
If what happened was the first scenario, then it's actually quite an amazing thing that a rim can fail but still hold air. I've seen this before in E13's range when I worked on the World Cups. One of their rim revisions made this huge leap where yes, the rim would fail, but it would almost always get the rider home. If this is the case, then the subsequent and more spectacular failure is something that could have been prevented by me checking it more stringently. However, I'm afraid to say I just swapped the tire without thinking and carried on riding.
Ultimately, it is disappointing, and calling a product line
Proven is asking for trouble. I think it should be raised that oftentimes the most frustrating part of product failure is often the downtime as you wait to get your bike back up and running, no matter how generous the warranty program is. It's also worth noting that at over 1900 grams these aren't particularly light, which may well negate or bypass one of the main reasons to get carbon rims in the first place for some. If you're paying more for a wheel that is heavier than it could be, it wouldn't be an unreasonable expectation for it to not fail.
All rims break if you push them hard enough. Any World Cup team could tell you that. The
H-Care policy seems quite fair too. They'll either send you a new rim and pay your local bike shop's labour, or you can send it back to be relaced. For what it's worth, I enjoyed my time on these wheels and, despite the failure, I would still say they're a good product at fair price.
The hubs themselves on the wheels spun free and smooth for all the miles I rode on them. This is doubly impressive considering I rode them during a very wet South American spring before a long and wet Canadian winter.
Pros
+ A fair price for carbon wheels
+ A good blend between compliance and stiffness
Cons
- Rear rim failed
- Not especially light
Pinkbike's Take | The Proven Carbon wheels were going great... until they weren't. All things break, and Hunt's warranty does seem fair and comprehensive. While I wouldn't suggest that carbon rims are consumable, or it's not concerning, if you hit things hard into rocks sometimes they break. The ride characteristics of the wheels do what they set out to, with a nice blend of compliance, stiffness and weight, all for a reasonable price, too.— Henry Quinney |
but ultimately, a 1900g wheelset for $1266 that still breaks, is the worst of both worlds.
"Firstly, shit happens. I rode these wheels for six months, and really battered them several times, and they stayed true and intact. Eventually, I hit my rim so hard that it sliced a tire open at the tread through a Cushcore Pro insert. The sheer noise at the time made me think I'd killed the rim."
I had that happen on them too. I chipped it a bit. They did not break. It's been 3.5 years I think.
Now, I'm convinced DT rims are very likely to be much better made than Hunt, but, honestly, one rim breaking doesn't mean they're bad or will break. Also mines are 1500gr lol. 1900g feels quite heavy indeed.
What's also interesting is that Pinkbike can destroy a brand by snapping fingers honestly. Anyone at pinkbike can break any rim, even the most bomb proof. And so can I. All it takes is one single really bad hit at the wrong spot. Having them break in test doesn't mean they're bad. Having them not break doesn't mean they're good.
Ultimately, I think Pinkbike editors while they think they're just being honest, should look a bit further than the tip of their nose when they post such articles. Either they think it broke when it should not have, cool, say that, we won't buy. or don't even post it, IMO.
no one learns a thing from that, besides these shills are horrible, and nothing they say matters.
At least Hunt are made in Taiwan and not communist China/Vietnam where the bicycle industry has been migrating for cheap goods. Taiwan is a progressive democracy but I would still rather support skilled jobs closer to home.
Carbon rims: We Are One, Enve, Zipp, the ever expanding Fusion Fiber products (Revel, Evil, Chris King, Forge and Bond)
Hubs: Industry Nine, Onyx, Chris King, Hadley, White Industries, Profile, Project 321
Based on the way I ride I haven’t dinged a set of ex471’s in 3 years (they will now break this weekend) so for me this rim is strong enough. So a carbon one needs to be lighter and give a better ride characteristic to be even worthy of consideration otherwise why bother with the extra cost?
For me, I could easily go through 3-4 alloy wheels in a season, didnt really matter much which brand, I could dent, ding, break, etc pretty well anything I tried. I started to use more value priced rims, cause there was little sense buying and lacing DTSwiss rims only to get an extra couple weeks out of them.
Finally, I decided to give some carbon hoops a go, and its been 2 seasons, not even having to touch them. Nothing, no dings, no broken spokes, not even a half turn with a spoke wrench. Couple that, with a more precise feeling on the front, and increased rigidity on the rear, and i'm a happy guy. It also means the price of the wheels has been offset by having to repair/replace the alu hoops I'd go through in a season.
So, a product might not make sense for you, thats fine, dont buy the product, easy peasy. But the product might make sense for others.
I do tend to run inserts and higher pressures than some. It's pretty rare for me to have a rock get all the way to the rim though the insert so I can't help but think that in this case Henry may have been running his pressures too low if he found rock bottom that many times. Doesn't seem that far to make a thing of the failure if you're going to ride like that.
Also what kind of riding are you dont' on these - and guessing it may not be suitalbe for DH bikes?
I raced XC and DH bikes for years, moved to enduro, and mostly use an Enduro bike everywhere. Now a Spire, previous was an alu Sentinel. I also have a Fugitive for a "little" bike.
I ride in very rocky areas, and have little mechanical sympathy. I ride like I dont have to buy the parts, simply because thts when I'm having the most fun, and its the only way I know how
I run WAO Unions, 25rear, 23 front, full full fat cushcore (because I like the feel, rather than for rim protection)
I ride in very rocky areas, with little mechanical sympathy, WAO Unions, with DHF/Disscetor combo, full fat Cushcore 25r/23f. I ride park, DH, and everyhting else on them on my Spire. I'm on my bike 4-5 times a week.
I also have a Fugitive as my "small" bike, that I coach on, its been short traveled to 120r/140f, I also run CushCore XC in those wheels.
I havent had an issue yet, so the wheels have already paid for them selves. There is no downside for me, as durability takes precedence over weight and price
I run EXO casing tires, and don’t have any side wall issues really. My punctures come from sharp rocks or cactus, that, and wearing them out on the rocky terrain.
That being said, I haven’t run Michelin tires for ages, so I’ll give them a go on the next tire change to see what I think.
I really like the way CushCore feels, and it’s great that you can finish a stage flat, but I’ve noticed essentially zero protective benefit. I have just as many pinch flats with or without it, running the same pressure.
Sharp rocks, at least under my fat ass, slice through the foam like it’s not even there.
I have this trail by me that has a very particular rock. if you hit it, you are getting a flat. period. 20psi, 40psi, insert, carbon, AL......flat. The ownder of the bike shop at the bottom of the trail system, calls the rock "vacation fund". lol
some people ride like they are invincible, then after making a terrible line choice, blame everything except themselves.
I'm just trying to suggest that maybe this broken rim review isn't very fair. Maybe any rim would have broken they way he set it up and rode it. We may never know!
Why do you need the newest version?
is there something about the previous ones that doesnt fit our needs?
Honestly I've been pretty stoked on the set of TR32s I've gotten from them. They handle repeated 6-8ft drops at my local park and did great for me on my last trip to do TWE. Thats all on their cross country rim, so Imagine the TR37 is pretty solid.
Like, if you don’t wear out a MaxxGrip tire in a season, just because Maxxis comes out with a longer lasting tire, (which is perceived as better) it doesn’t actually offer any benefit to you.
So while there shou,d very well be differences between the new and old one, if the those differences don’t bring any value, then we should be questioning whether or not there’s any need to pay more, buy more, get new shit, other than our dumb monkey brain wanting MORE.
Being stoked on what you’ve got is great, Litebike still makes the NOBL rims, so anything other than cosmetic changes would filter into their rims as well
I have a Specialized rockhopper from 2005 thats still kicking but just because it hasnt snapped doesnt mean I'm gonna only ride that and buy nothing else until its dead.
I talked to Nobl and the newer series wheels are of their own design. Just because they are made in the same factory does not make them the same. If that were true then all bikes are basically Merida or Giant since they make bikes for most brands. Its more complicated than that.
Why do you need the newest version?
is there something about the previous ones that doesnt fit our needs?
Which you kinda walked around, until this post.
You’re obviously free to buy what you want, I was wondering what prompted you to buy the newer version.
Obviously Nobl is going to tell you that it’s their own design, and completely different from what the manufacturer they use does, that’s marketing.
And while the new ones might be a different rim from Lites, the truth is, it was simply a different sticker for years, you were simply buying a brand name.
Do you think Merida's bikes are identical to Specialized? They're manufactured at the same place so I guess they are all exactly the same. I think you forget that yes, there is plenty of marketing hype, but also things do actually develop, change, and improve. Thats why bikes are as good as they are now.
"Why do you need the newest version?
is there something about the previous ones that doesnt fit our needs?"
As that was the part that I was referring to you not answering at first, I then noted that you did provide reasoning for wanting the newer version.
I actually do drive around in a near 20 year old truck, as it fits my needs still, runs well, and anything newer just has more/bigger screens, and more gizmos. I'll run that truck until it dies, or the costs of repairs outweigh the costs of purchasing something else. Then it'll likely be another used truck.....
I'm not trying to antagonize you here, I was simply asking a slightly leading question.
And if I'm honest, its all hype man, everything we are being sold is hype. Yes Meridas bikes are pretty well near identical to Specialized, and Treks, and Transitions, and so on. We are being tribalized into thinking that these insignifigant differences have some sort of meaning, take a step back from it, and be honest with yourself. You think you can "feel" the 100 gram difference? Did you weigh em, against the old ones, prolly not.
You think you can "feel" a 12% increase in stiffness, come on, we cant, but we eat that shit up.
Glad youre happy with your wheels, hope they provide everything youre looking for
2) I'd rather ding a bead than crack a rim-all day.
3) You want proven, reliable 2kg wheels, DT has some nice alloy ones for less money. And when you do bust a rim (it happens) a new one is something like $130
*not all pawl driven hubs are garbage.
It's really annoying that so many companies are just using "meh" pawl driven guts, having their logo etched on the shell and claiming their hubs are in any way proprietary or premium. Kind of like companies that machine parts that are much better made cold forged and claiming that to be any kind of benefit.
But.....the sheeple believe..............
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Has a thumb width dent in the profile facing the cassette.
I could have bought 3 sets of those wheels for this price and have 6 years or more worth of wheel life.
If I hear even the slightest echo in the background, I'll assume you're dropping a deuce and WILL downgrade the "experience" accordingly. And for crying out loud...put the dog out if you're gonna be professional.
V2's I think are actually a proprietary design (102T ratchet is not shared between other Novatec designs??), but it would be worth reaching out to them (and not Nukeproof) if you have had the issue. Email carrie@novatecusa.net. If no luck you should update here so others know...
I've ridden a few carbon rims and have always been totally underwhelmed by them. No notable difference in ride feel... other than that burning thought in the back of my mind of how expensive and potentially catastrophic it might be when the carbon fails. I asked myself why I was using them and couldn't find a good enough answer.
Will I shave milliseconds off my Strava time by using carbon rims? Yeah maybe... but who cares? Who really cares about anything? Life is pointless.
Anyway aluminium is better.
-Stronger and more impact resistant
-Same weight
-More compliant (carbon wheels are far too stiff for me)
I have a pair of 481’s on hopes that have completed over 6000miles and 1,000,000ft of descending. No cracks, no dents, a few broken spokes.
I'd guess the DT setup to be lighter.
....pick....erm, none?
I got DT Swiss EXC1501 with DT-240 hub at 1700gm for about the same money. What's the reason to stick with Hunt?
And they're good: being run by a bunch of teams, even ones with title sponsors that make tires. Also getting wins already.
Not sure why they are so damn heavy.
And then say: "I think I damaged the wheel after the first impact, and then teased the damage out with the second"
You're contradicting yourself and emphasizing the reason some people already stay away from carbon. You can't always tell if carbon is damaged.
My thoughts - the wheels ride great and I'm a fan of the trail feel. Durability is lacking, I broke the rear rim under normal riding conditions and get this, I've been recovering from a shattered knee cap which has meant reeling back my usual pace as I ride cautiously. I wanted to believe the marketing, but given the outcome of Henry's review and of my own experience, these are just plain lacking in the durability department. A shame.
Lifetime warranty - I submitted the warranty claim as of Thursday last week and have not gotten a response. A follow up email that I sent this morning was met with a stock reply. I'm still hopeful that they'll get back to me soon and assist me generously, but I don't think I'd recommend these to a friend. Especially given the price increase.
Curious what shop, or bike park you work at?
Is it possible youre just seeing more WAO wheels than others?
WAO, wheels, around here anyway, prolly outnumber all others by 2 to 1, so there would be a potential that you might see more failures over others. Keeping in mind, WAO's get bought up bu those that destroy rims, not those looking for the lightest rim out there, so the use case is completely different.
But I think you make a good point that people buying these rims are specifically doing so because they're tired of destroying alu rims and are wanting to take advantage of the warranty. This combined with their popularity means that you might simply see a larger number of these rims in for replacement.
Realistically, you can't make a genuine assessment of durability without comparing the riding styles and failure rates across a broad dataset. I don't think a guy making snarky comments about his anecdotal experience at his local bike ship qualifies as that.
Minimally, we know that WeAreOne replaces all damaged wheels with brand new wheels, including shipping them to your door, free of cost. So if they were failing at a spectacular rate, their business would be taking a substantial hit.
Just 30mm instead of 33-35 front and 30-33 rear sick!
5* poe rando hubs rad!
Crackin performance? Awsome.
The think that you are reading something meaningful because it appears on the Web, but these "reviews" are of no more relevance than hearing about the washing machine of a friend of a friend of yours, one than was cleaning well, but broke after six months of use, and concluding that you should not buy it.
Occasionally one of these products has a problem, like in this case. The wheel cracks and ... so what? Are we supposed to draw any conclusion from a sample of 1? Will all the wheels from huntbike brake? Or none of them? and this is just a fluke?
Any wheel will brake, and if you take a number of them, in different occasions, for a spin, one could eventually fail. You'll never know why tat one did, or if it is more or less prone to fail than the others. And that is why this kind of "testing" is just completely useless. It is just pseudo-journalism, perfectly made for the inane pro/con chat that follows in the comments.