Descending Stance - it’s a word that I’ve mentioned a few times which refers to how the bike sits under the rider’s weight. Prime calls it SHRED Dynamics, but I think they’ve nailed the overall prowess of the Thunderflash.
Often, bikes that are too progressive can feel unsettled through the beginning of the travel and ramp unexpectedly over consecutive square-edge hits. I didn’t find that was true here because I typically prefer a long-travel bike with less progression.
Once I found the optimal balance between enough sag to sit in the bike and not dive into the beginning of the travel, the Thunderflash became one of the stand-out rigs I’ve ridden in the last year. There’s enough small bump compliance that it doesn’t hang up at low speeds, but also doesn’t wallow through the mid-stroke either.
Versatility is one of the Thunderflash's highlights. However, a few numbers had me doubting its all-out downhill capabilities at first, primarily, the moderately slack 64-degree head tube angle and the lengthier 445mm-long chainstays.
Just because the overall weight is on the respectable side for this build, doesn’t mean that the Thunderflash isn’t a burly bike. In fact, it’s quite the opposite. The frame is plenty stiff but the suppleness allows the rear wheel to track rough, rooty, off-camber sections and still hold strong in sharp corners and compressions.
Again, the balance between the axles and actual bottom bracket ride-height kept me confident, descending “in the bike”, yet didn’t sap speed while popping rhythms on flowier trails. I had no issue leaning it into turns thanks to that steady, low center of gravity. You can drive through corners and compressions with your feet because your center of gravity lies low in the bike. That's another reason that the head angle doesn’t need to be overly slack here.
Under braking, there’s no need to hang off the back and upset that centered position and the suspension is still active while on the binders. There’s no sense of firming up or squatting into the travel at all.
Picking out flaws in the Thunderflash requires looking beyond the ride characteristics. There’s plenty of rubber protection against the typical chain oscillations, but on occasion, a large impact would result in the odd “whack”. Debris can build up below the shock, and that cable routing is smart in theory, though tedious to replace when the time comes.
Since it was hard to fault the Thunderflash, I was curious to explore what a -1-degree headset from Works Components would do for two reasons. First, I wanted to shorten the reach and gain some leverage over the front of the bike. Secondly, to see what doors the extra slack Thunderflash would open up on descents by stretching the wheelbase. Basically, this led to geometry very similar to Transition’s Spire, just 10mm shorter in reach - a closer fit for my height.
Those resulting changes led to ride characteristics that I expected. In straight lines, the cockpit of the Thunderflash felt slightly smaller, giving me more strength and range of motion to attack in steep zones. One downside, was that the increased front center length required more planning to navigate hairpin corners and some slight understeer on flat, unsupported corners. As always, there's a trade off to each change and for the purposes of enduro racing, the stock geometry is dialled.
Did I miss where Matt says what he thought of it running 63 HA?
But hey you look really cool in a broken down Subi.
There actually was a budget-friendlier build when the bike was first released.
For 5k € (yes, still too expensive for me) the C-Model had Fox Performance Elite suspension, GX 1x12 derailleur, EX1700 wheels and Code R brakes.
So it is just a very over priced Manitou Mezzer Pro.
Manitou should offer a front-arch Mezzer option with a choice of decal kit and cash in on the aesthetically "astute" crowd
From what I've heard and read the ERA is a very adjustable reliable performant fork with great supportive feel.
What sucks about it other than the price and US-based serviceability (are there EXT service centers in the US)?
I have a rather negative reputation on this site, so no matter where/what I comment on I always collect a few downvotes, plus my comment was kinda off topic I guess.
But to my main point, if you have a very well tuned damper, the ramp-up chamber isn't really necessary. Even for pros. If it was that much of a game changer, why would any pro choose coil, like many do? Coil is even less progressive than a traditional air spring.
With that said, the Industry Nine wheels were impressive in durability. Prime also spec'd the 38 RXF over the 36 which is noticeably stiffer in fore and aft flex.
Just changed my framebearings the first time (still ran ok). When i changed my housings on the Thunderflash, i just removed the shock straped the rear triangle to the seatstay and then you have plenty of space to reach all the clamps and entry/exit holes on the bottom. Love my Thunderflash still and do not wanna change it soon! Loving all the nice details, where other big brands took years to figure out, or still do! Such a awesome first bike from a small and young brand! Keep it up Prime
Which has a cracked upper headset shell (and a terribly loose swat door) since August 2022, waiting for a replacement frame from Specialized for 8 months now...
Prime's service probably wouldn't have been worse.
If we use this articles maths, a 3 degree headset would shorten reach by 30mm which is obviously not correct.
Also you are over-estimating the effect on stack here, its around 1.5mm a degree according to the online calculator, would you add a 1.5mm spacer and claim it decreases reach by 10mm?
@mattbeer - any ideas how you came to the 10mm figure?
It’s still incorrect to say an angle headset shortens reach by any amount more than a couple of mm / a noticeable amount though.
I admitted I got it wrong dumbass but I will say again, angle headsets dont reduce reach as he suggests.
It sounds like all that changed was stack above the headtube or basically an increase in stem / bar height, the same as increasing the amount of stem spacers.
The actual angle headset won’t have reduced your reach.
Good points: was available within 2 weeks in July 2021, looks great, responsive after sales service, great suspension,
Bad points : the bearings are quite a pain to replace, the frame tends to chew up rocks between the front triangle and the lower link due to the bowl shape of the front triangle near the shox, ACROS headset bearings with locks are not durable at all and are expensive to replace
I upgraded it with a pair of We are One wheels, it makes it a bit sharper
Acros was always a pain, even before they invented those plastic integrated cable guide headsets
I replaced the cup and put a cane-creek cup and bearing , so I don't have the blocking function anymore, the T of the fork can touch the plastic protection under the frame that I turn the handlebar all the way
I've done the math and depending on the exact dimensions of everything involved (headtube, A2C, cup dimensions, etc) you will have effectively shortened the reach by 2 or 3 milimeters. A neglectable amount.
Seb Stott got first dibs on the Hope HB916 but it's a bike that ticks all the boxes for me.
"It's a Thunderflash, bitch."
It's hard not to say "bitch" after saying Thunderflash.
Does the suspension feel a bit like Mondraker's Zero @mattbeer ? I loved my Dune & Summum about 10 years ago. Felt like a hot knife through butter but still pedaled well.
Love the way it climbs (which is absolutely not my priority) for an Enduro Bike with that specs.
Customer Service of Prime is a dream - they respond super fast and help out where they can.
Never regret my decision - Keep it up Prime!
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