Descending Short-travel bikes can often act a bit confused, almost like they want to party but they also can't hold their liquor, end up causing a big scene, and you end up needing days to recover. Sound familiar? You think it'll be fun, and it is for a while until those decisions start to catch up with you, and then you're upside down in the rhubarb. The SST can party harder than most, though, and you're less likely to end up with a hangover and no memory of what happened thanks to its easy-going suspension and handling.
Let's talk suspension first, with Reeb's flex-pivot Horst Link-ish system doing some very good things on the trail. It's quite active and supple over small impacts that you might not see but that definitely affect traction, and that goes a long way to make the SST feel more stuck to the ground than most bikes with this little suspension. That's a big help when it's really wet, really dry, or anytime traction is iffy, be it cruising down a section of tame singletrack at maximum pace or creeping into a vertical rock roll that demands zero speed and all the concentration. This isn't the bike for those do-or-die moves, of course, but I'm not here to tell you how to live your life or that the SST doesn't love to roll the dice every now and then.
When you do roll the dice on a short-travel bike, you might sometimes find that the geometry lets you get into situations that the suspension can't get you out of. Or vice versa. That's not the case with the SST, however, with the opposite end of the stroke being nearly as impressive. There's more than enough ramp-up with the RockShox air shock that my test bike arrived with, and there were times when it felt like I had an extra 10 or 15mm of help, especially on fast sections of trail with big compressions and holes when you're just trying to hang on for dear life. Reeb has done a hell of a lot with just 120mm of travel.
There's plenty of life to the SST as well, as you'd expect given that it's on the shorter side of the travel spectrum. Apply all the usual cliches here about it being playful and all that, but I think a big factor is actually how sure-footed the bike is; that stability gives you the trust to do those side hits and useless but fun moves, much like how a long, slack enduro bike can also be surprisingly playful for the same reasons. If you're confident on a bike, you'll relax and have more fun.
On the handling front, Reeb could have easily made the SST a too-slack, too-sloppy short-travel bike that's fun in a few places and a burden in most... But that's not what they did. Instead, the SST feels more middle-of-the-road; it has the stability and poise to not feel too on-edge when the trail gets really steep and sketchy but doesn't mind tame, meandering descents either. The first compliment comes from that classic in-the-bike positioning that most 120mm-travel rigs don't provide, as well as the 140mm-travel Pike that's an ideal match for the SST. Far from feeling unbalanced, the 140mm fork suits the SST's intentions and I don't think I'd want more or less travel up front.
If I had to look for some criticisms, which is exactly what we're supposed to be doing here, there are faster, more enjoyable bikes if your rides involve a ton of smooth, rolling terrain rather than sustained descents. Yes, the SST is a decent all-around machine everywhere, but it's far better suited to rougher trails and longer downhills where the bike's active suspension and forgiving nature work for your benefit.
How Does It Compare?A few short-travel bikes I've spent a bunch of time on recently were the Fourstroke LT from BMC, Allied's very impressive BC40, and the new aluminum Norco Fluid. Those three span a pretty wide range of intended use, with the 130mm Fluid and 120mm Allied both being more in line with the SST than the racier and much less forgiving BMC. Obviously, with low weight and carbon fiber in the recipe, Allied is taking a very different approach than Reeb, but there are some interesting similarities on the trail regardless of frame material and intentions.
If you're looking to do some racing, it's going to be the BC40 for sure and that's not a surprise at all. Likewise, if you're more into covering ground quickly - the BC40 is a rocketship - but either bike could also be your short-travel trail bike that's ready for more. While the ingredients couldn't be more different, the two bikes handle similarly on the trail; both are remarkably planted through any and all corners, and both instill more confidence than you might expect. They also share some rear-suspension attributes, although the BC40 feels sportier and more rewarding on the gas.
As for Norco's Fluid, it has a bit more rear-wheel-travel and is aluminum rather than steel, but it has a similar personality in that both it and the SST are solid, ready-for-anything trail rigs. Obviously, there's a pretty wide price delta between these three bikes but, that aside, I'd recommend the Reeb for anyone who appreciates something different, the Norco if you want the most bike-for-your-buck, and the Allied if you're a closet cross-country dork who wants more bike but doesn't want to go up the climbers any slower.
If I pay $2-7 overseas labor, what will that person every buy from me, my neighbors, my state or country?
Barter and trade are the root of money and bartering that skips over your neighbor countrymen will eventually leave you no one to barter or trade with & no one can provide you anything in return.
Maybe we will eventually send all of our purchase power to China and they decide they want to come to the US and just claim our food production capacity through force.
For now, I'd rather not.
This is absolutely what I hope my next bike will be, and now there's no disappointment that the steel frame isn't "cheaper" than a carbon one. Really excited that a bike like this even exists.
"Can I get custom geometry?
Come ride the stock geo and drink a beer with us after your demo. If you're 6'9" and the XL isn't big enough – we're the frame company for you. For most folks our stock sizing works well, so we only do custom geometry in very select cases."
Right now, we are focusing on shortening up our lead times to ensure customers are getting frames in a timely manner. Custom geometry slows down our production, which we cannot afford right now with the amount of stock geometry orders coming in. In the future when we have frames in the shelf, we will be more open to custom geometry.
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If its 3kg or under, I don't see any point in using aluminum or carbon fiber outside of XC racing. Steel does feel good to ride, it can be so much cheaper than carbon, and is the lowest eco footprint of the bunch.
The thing about a lightweight frame is that it's not free of compromises, even ignoring durability. Seb Scott talked about it in his weight article (rigid sprung mass vs total sprung mass and unsprung mass), and I think you'd probably lose some of the SST's characteristics on the descent that a lot of people would consider positive traits if you went with a lighter carbon frame.
If someone wanted to bias their short travel bike towards a bit more climbing efficiency on smooth trails (Levy makes it seem like a wash on tech trails given the traction advantage) based on their preference I think that's totally reasonable. But I have a hard time believing a lightweight carbon frame with the same components will descend like the SST. At the end of the day I think almost all modern bikes are good and it's all about picking the (relatively modest) compromises that fit you and your riding best.
Maybe a more interesting comparison in terms of cross shopping would be a mid travel carbon bike. Does the extra travel make up for some of that traction on the climbs and confidence on the descents?
Exo and Exo+? Thin, flimsy, unreliable, no sidewall support. They don't do a bike like this justice.
Enduro weight and efficiency but XC capabilities.
You can get it sub-30lbs if you really wanted to with a Spire-like build (SID, inline shock, narrower rims/lighter wheels, etc), which I know some folks have done. Mine with a DBCoil IL, carbon wheels, and a 150mm Lyrik weighs ~32lbs, so dropping in a lighter fork, shock, brakes, carbon bars, etc would def get you below 30, if that is what you are after.
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I have silver Pike like on the bike shown in the article. I think I'd pony up the extra cash for a frame that matched it if a silver as sparkly as City Lights was possible
I'm aware of the funk la ruta and know that it's can be single speed, but I get the impression that bike is more intended for xc/adventure
Once you get over the slightly higher weight on paper, and just ride it... you realize that everything about the frame is just dialed: great suspension design, great balance, extremely comfortable climbing up steep stuff.
Good to see all manufacturers aren't following the same route.
I have owned alloy and carbon FS and I was sceptical about steel FS bikes. All I can say is that I enjoyed test rides on the Flaremax and Jeht and intend to buy a Cotic next year. (new colours?)
TRP brakes look a lot like Shimanos; not identical by any means but they give me a generation or two back Shimano lever body vibe. I wonder if they're using the same OEM.
What I would say is the TRP's #1 asset is that they just work. No finicky anything - no rattling pads, no wandering bite point, no stuck seals, no "bleed them every week" issues. They manage to just work while also being more than powerful enough with modulation for days.
The trp does have better lever shape and adjustments, but otherwise the formula are just better. I don't know yet about long term durability, but I'm gonna out some MTX pads in the trps and hope that brings them up to par with the formulas.
Glad to hear there was a better outcome this time than when Pole allegedly made a similar mistake.
The geometry of the rocker and it's pivot locations has a big affect on how much the Horst or Faux bar rear pivot has to rotate. You will see that most of the flex pivot bikes have a similar shape to the rocker to further reduce the amount of rotation needed.
"While it looks like a single-pivot layout, the chainstays sport a flattened section just ahead of the axle that's intended to mimic how a Horst Link functions but without the extra bearings and pivot hardware that you'd usually see here"
Usually on these "faux bar" type systems, there would be a pivot somewhere along the seatstay above the rear axle (as an example see Kona Process 153). The Scott Spark doesn't have that pivot. Instead, the seat stays can flex slightly upwards. But they only do it by a couple degrees. It's so few degrees of movement that you won't visually notice it.
They are both great, but I have them build entirely differently. The Sqweeb has a heavier coil shock, burlier fork @ 170, inserts, heavier wheels, and slower tires. I built it out like a big bike and it rides like that. I have my SST built out probably burlier than most with a DBCoil IL, Lyrik, Dominion A4s, I9 Enduro wheels, and some other heavier components. My Sqweeb is within a 2-3lb difference of the SST based on my scale.
I admittedly haven't tried the Sqweeb in the 130mm setting, so I can't compare there, but I feel like with the Sqweeb you have a much more planted feel than with the SST. The SST always feels pretty composed even in really rough chunky stuff, it continues to track well, but it transmits more feedback to the rider. It's also more lively riding and takes rider input better than the Sqweeb does IMO. Both track well, but if you are barreling into some really rough rocky or rooted sections, the Sqweeb is more planted and comfortable than the SST is. I feel like the SST pedals more responsively than the Sqweeb does, but that could be because of the tires/wheels/inserts that are different between the bikes.
I think the way to look at it is that the Sqweeb can size up and the SST can size down. You can make the SST a more "downcountry"-esque bike with XC tires, Pike, inline shock, etc and it take it well, but you can't really do that with the Sqweeb. You can also run it into the aggressive trailbike category with a Lyrik/Coil/etc. The Sqweeb can run a 170 fork, 150 rear end, or it can run in the same category as the SST with 130 rear and aggressive trailbike components. Both can be trailbikes, but they lean away from each other depending on how you build it out from there.
Bikes look same damn good with straight tubes and seat stays that line up with the top tubes.
What a lot of people fail to associate with the cost, excluding the obviously needed internal Kashima, is the 3D printed flex stay and the shock junction / seat tube.
That expensive process and vision to do it are what make this a rare and worthy treat in sea full of Rocky Mountains, Yetis, Transitions and Ibis in that price tier.
Value wise, this frame should outlast every model from those manufacturers as well.
Love my SST!
Also I'm sorry to be that guy, but as a European, I don't really care about "made in the US". I see why it is important to you, but for all I care the Reeb could have been made on the moon.
Who lines the valve up with the tyre brand logo and who lines it up with the tyre model logo?
New Question,
Would it be a great idea for wheel makers to make two holes in the rim for two valves to make the OCD of both poll takers sorted?
New Fact:
This way you can have one valve thats all bunged up with sealant and one working..
Four players each with one track pump attached to each valve
Each person gets one pump at a time
Person that ends up blowing the tyre off the rim looses
The difference between this and the bigger bikes was not huge. Still wish @prosauce would weld one up with another inch of travel.
Despite all its proprietary bits, at least a Genius still takes a standard size shock!
I love the new Genius, but ironically it actually doesn't come with a "standard" shock. It may be a standard 185 mm eye-to-eye length, but the shock itself is anything but standard. The NUDE technology is fully proprietary to Scott.
The answer is that they aren't. But some people feel so much cooler and more interesting buying food from a truck than from a restaurant that their memory of the flavours is warped. Most people are quite literally more interested in what other people believe about them (and their food choices) than what they themselves think. And this causes them to do silly things like buy lower quality food (and bicycles) than they could do. And then genuinely believe that they must be enjoying it more than they think.
You should stop caring about other peoples perceptions of the choices you make. Don't buy a bike that you think will make you look cool. Buy a bike that will give you the most enjoyment on the trail, even if you wrapped the whole thing in a sheet and couldn't see it. Even if you rattle canned the whole thing brown and sharpied out all the logos. Your own enjoyment is more important than the enjoyment you fake on instagram.
And since this is steel, it will definitley scratch the itch for some people, for whom a carbon bike just wouldn't do the trick.
So the Optic is significantly different from the Smuggler, where as most 120-130mm trail bikes that came out after the Optic are more or less the same geometry-wise, even 3 years later.
Nevertheless I'd love to see Transition come out with a new version of the Smuggler. The more great bikes the better.
Personally I had a mk1 Smuggler with slackset and offset bushings, it was rather more planted than poppy.
I do agree the Optic seems to have become the template for the modern short-travel shred sled though. Possibly my favourite genre of bike.
On a bike like this, ETT is just as important since you'll be spending most of your day seated.
edit: the EFF jump from L-XL is also laughable on this bike. literally double the mm jump compared to all the other sizes. if you are 6'1-6'3, there is no size here for you. it's like they think no one between 6 feet and 6'4 buys bikes. silly and shortsighted.
make better sense?
I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that bike companies aren't sending any geometry chart to production without making sure several people they trust in each size bracket ride the test mules.
Looks like a cool bike. Reeb makes cool bikes.
smh about 3D crap that could be made by a human not a bot.
Now downvote the crap out of me I say STOP THIS INSANITY.
Much like american cheese is becoming trendy, so is making bikes out of steel. Sadly most trends are driven by people who are driven by having the most insta likes, more than by having the best performing product.
This isn't for Lycra clad strava dorks. It's for people who want a bruiser without having a bike that's as responsive as a wet rag