Descending My very first ride on the Scor took place up in Whistler, so I decided to start by feeding it some classic technical trails, with names like Korova Milk Bar, Rockwork Orange, and Wizard Burial Ground. They're full of steep rock moves and semi-awkward slower speed maneuvers, trails that reward precision over just trying to blast downhill as fast as possible. The Scor more than held its own, and any initial doubts I had about its capabilities quickly faded away as I worked my way downhill.
The geometry plays a large part in how comfortable the bike felt in the steeps, but the suspension deserves a mention too – the Deluxe Ultimate shock is very well controlled, with a smooth ramp up at the bottom of the stroke. It's a trait we noticed with the Scor 4060 a couple of years ago – there's no harshness towards the end of the travel, which makes it easier to plop off a drop or push through a pointy rock garden without worrying about running out of travel.
Yes, there are obviously limits – we're still talking about a 120mm trail bike here, and I'm not about to say it can go wheel-to-wheel with a full-on enduro bike. However, the fact that it can handle those more technical trails while also remaining entertaining on mellower ones is worth noting. The suspension opens up nicely at higher speeds, and it can deal with quick impacts very well.
The concept of one bike being more 'fun' than another always annoys me a little, mainly because mountain biking's supposed to be fun no matter what. That said, tossing in an extra manual here, pumping a roller there, and maybe slashing a berm over there is a recipe for a good time, and on the Scor those maneuvers are very easy to execute.
Speaking of recipes, there's been a lot of talk lately about the ideal chainstay length, and I've even seen equations floating around that are purported to be the key to making most perfectly balanced bike in the world. I'm not convinced that there's one magical set of geometry numbers out there, and the 2030 is a prime example. I do typically prefer bikes with longer chainstays, and yet I haven't had any instances on this bike where I thought that a longer back end would have improved things.
Transition wise, this bike really makes me think about my Smuggler V2 which I enhanced with a 150mm Lyrik + a -1°angleset: fun and capable, even if 120mm are harsh even with a good shock.
Limits are tight when it's about a good trail bike that you wanna everywhere....
And of course, having a carbon bike is a must. My "cheap" ALU frame doesn't get much attention :-)
5010 is the only bike like it, bit it's hilariously expensive at $7000CAD with an NX build. They dropped the price.to $6300 this year bit thats still too much
But I think mullet in this travel bracket is particularly silly. Whatever it’s geo, it’s still a trail bike designed for covering ground. Without looking, the shortest travel mullet I can think of is the new-ish version of the 5010 at 140f/130r. That thing is dumb. Not as jib friendly as prior versions, not as fast or efficient for hauling ass over longer rides.
This thing looks legit as is.
I recognize it doesnt adjust the CS length, but maybe its in a real good spot where it is?
Nicolai is good if you want to ball out but they dont allow as much customization.
for marino check out:
www.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=211605&pagenum=1
reebcycles.com/pages/build-your-dream-bike
longer travel fork, with a smaller rear wheel helps to lift the bb if youre going to mullet what is typically a full 29 bike
I figure a person that goes mullet from a small wheeled bike will have a certain experience. Someone that has a 29er and goes mullet will have a different experience. A bike designed from the ground up as a mullet will be different than a converted one.
@mikekazimer can you comment on a flip chip at the rear of the bike, I dont think I caught that in your review
The frame can be converted to 130mm rear squish with a shock service that allows more stroke but this isn’t a user friendly swap. The frame is also rated for up to a 150mm fork but Mariano Schoeffer, the engineer on the project, this would mess with the geo some. Fortunately there is an adjustable head angle like that on the 6040 so you could keep the 64.5º sweet spot close to where it is. There is also a flip chip in the back that moves the bike to 65.5º and raises the BB by 2mm. I'd personally love to try it as a 150/130 machine.
assume youll drop 10mm with a 275, gain 2 with the flip, and another 8 with the fork, and youre back to close to stock.....adjust the headset cups to alleviate the slightly too slack HA due to the 150 fork, and I think youre there. Im not sure where the SA, reach, stack end up in all this, but hell, a couple mm's wont mean a damn thing...
You’re free to follow me down some of my local trails, btw.
I gave up on the dream. I couldn't swap my wheels or my drivetrain because of superboost (you have to buy new CRANKS even for superboost). I couldn't find anyone running the 429 in mullet mode to review it. You can't buy a complete. Pivot won't sell frames unless it's a tuesday and they're in a good mood, and when they do the price is twice an Ibis- ripley frames currently $2500). Also have you looked at all the non-custom superboost mullet wheelsets? All zero of them?
Imagine an official mullet build you can't buy as a frameset and you can't buy as a complete.
I couldn’t find any other info on it either
What evidence are you talking about, outside of your own opinion?
What 29 bikes have you tried that have led you to this opinion?
Hell if you’ve got a PF bb, you could even try a concentric bb cup to correct bb height/SA
I think most of us get caught up in what we are told, rather than just giving it a go
This would sit right about there as well without the 150 fork
To build on that, other mullet trail bike options:
The Bronson. The Kona process x. Digit datum. The transition patrol. There's even a stumpy evo mullet out there.
In the 120mm category, it's slim pickins for mullets.
You never trust someone who tells you to trust them,
And someone who tells you that “I’ve been doing this for 45 years” has been doing it wrong for at least the last 15…..
Definitely wasnt an early adopter of 29er wheels, as I said, I was on 26 till 2018....I gave them a go back in early 2000's, the geo wasnt right for them, or my style of riding.
If what you prefer to ride is bermed jump trails, then they might not be for you, I prefer steep techy stuff, they work great there. They arent quite as good in the really slow stuff, but the trade offs make up for it.
Good luck to you out there
‘That tells me you couldn’t ride a 26 very well and saw no tradeoff because your tires rarely left the ground but you washed out/went otb too much. And this is exactly why everything is 29 now, no trade-off if you’re lower skilled”
You’re just trying to be aggressively contrary, which you’re more than welcome to be.
My comment made no mention of there not being trade-offs, you’re just reading into it to have some sort of argument.
I also didn’t mention 37-40 29ers, both my bikes are 33ish lbs, one short travel, on long travel, both are very “playful” and a tonne of fun to ride. There’s an awful lot more than wheel size that dictates whether or not a bike is “playful”, and even that is completely subjective.
Your insistence that smaller wheels somehow require more skill is just an attempt to make yourself feel better, while putting others down. It’s unfortunate that you seem to have som much of your identity wrapped up in a 1 1/2” wheeel size difference, but I wish you luck out there.
I feel the contrarians are the 29’er riders saying, “ohh speed is fun and they’re just faster” .. “Oh it’s heavy but hhey it’s monster truck” or whether or not 29 suck for jumping not being a factual matter.. Let me know when you see a 29” dj or slopestyle competitor.
I think you, like a lot of 29’er lovers, don’t want to admit you ride them because it just makes mtb easier and softer for you (and noobs) while making bikes not as fun for people that don’t need big wheels for comfort/don’t want the tradeoffs. But hey, I’m sure shopping at bikes at walmart will be easier, too? I mean more fun.
Youre kinda ranting off about things that I had never mentioned.
I wish you all the luck in your future endeavours
Sure man
Oh, dang
What is it, dawg?
I forgot it's my bike’s new Tire day
Didn't get a gift for it?
Other plans got in the way
It'll be so disappointed
Damn, I forgot it, too
This could have been avoided
What the hell are we gonna do?
[Verse 1:]
My bike’s been so alone
Ever since my tires blew (Cold)
No new tires to wrap it tight
Life has put it to the test
I know just what you mean
My bike's been so sad and gray (Word)
My old tires can't satisfy ever since they blew that day
Hold up
You thinkin' what I'm thinkin'?
I'm thinkin' I think it too
Slow up
What time is it, dawg?
It's time for a switcharoo
We both love our bikes, bikes with grown biiike needs
I say we break 'em off
Show 'em how much they really mean
[Chorus:]
'Cause I'm a TireLover
You're a TireLover
We should ride each other's tires
Ride each other's Tires
I'll mount that new Tire, where that old blew hazy
Ain't no doubt this shit is crazy
Riding each other's Tires!
[Post-Chorus:]
'Cause every Bike needs a New Tire tight
If doing it is wrong, I don't wanna be right
I'm callin' on you 'cause I can't do it myself
To me, you're like a brother, so be my tire lover
Who the hell has an enduro bike and then goes on to drop 7.5K on another bike, that is mostly the same, but slightly less travel.
My dream mtb fleet would be: a modern hardtail to keep things real, a trailbike for pedally days and a big enduro bike for the serious stuff.
Remember how retired and loaded your dad is? Yeah.. see?
Commencal Supreme, the previous model
Transition Spire, check
Transition Scout
Deviate Lowrider Ti
Forbidden Druid, or Scor 2030 or WAO Arrival 130
Spesh Epic Evo
Chromag Rootdown Ti
I am also getting there:
Standard 125R BMX race bike for the pump track
Devinci Spartan
Norco Optic C (frameset on the way)
Kona Honzo ESD
At first, the Optic and ESD will share the same fork, wheelset and dropper, but will both end up being complete builds after a year or so.
I love those bikes
And finally, dare I ask about cable routing?
We know what you’re thinking and no, it doesn’t go through the headset. It is internally routed but it’s fully guided and rattle-free to make life easier and quieter – both on the bike and in the Pinkbike comments section.
I would say, well played there.
now looking at this bike costing 7300 with a gx drivetrain just doesn't sit well with me
Scor was the component brand of BMC (think Roval for Specialized)
They just reused the name
How can you compete with both lifetime warranties from both Santa and evil ( and the lifetime bearing once a year on evil too )
I don’t know
Evil charged me lot for a 1/8 ounce touch up jar of paint.
€2600 for carbon front triangle, full GX, pike ultimate, deluxe S+ (2023), newmen wheels and maguras.
It's an absolute riot in my opinion, and the price is insane (in the right direction).
They can put all the nice parts but it’ll still ride like a cheap bike
Glad they added some legitimate frame storage (at least better than the 4060).
Also, what's with the extremely low stack height? What were they thinking... That's an instant disqualification from my whish list.
I wish this bike had 448 chainstays. (Rocky Mountain instinct)
But I’m 6-4 and love my enduro geometry (transition spire)
That being said, and reading reviews// comments of other trailbikes where the people complain about long stays and steep seatubes, it appears that there is a modern bad ass woods weapon mountain bike for all of “idiosyncratic” us !!!!
XL: Optic / 2030
Wheelbase: 1275 / 1267
Reach: 517 / 510
Suspension: 140 - 125 / 140 / 120.
Scor does a better job for larger riders vs Norco, at least in this comparison. I'm managing a XL but 6'0"
I built a Trail 429 a year ago and pretty much stopped riding my enduro bike. No question it’s slower at top speed, but it does everything better at normal speed and it’s more fun.
"no" but its a beauty
120mm travel 140 up front 20mm front axle super boost rear 64headangle and a good reach with some dh wheels and rubber.
That’s what we all need.
Where is the review of said fork?
Asking for a friend.