It has been a busy couple of years for the bicycle industry. A few years ago, like so many outdoor pursuits, it was ticking along in happy near anonymity then 2020 rolled around the corner, and... well, you know the rest.
The push and pull of demand certainly hasn't only been felt within the cycle industry even if it is an area that feels like it's been hit very hard. However, as we moved forward into 2023 SRAM and Shimano, the biggest two premium drivetrain manufacturers by far were both busy readying the frontier for the new battle lines being drawn. SRAM received most of the plaudits for their T-Type drivetrains, but that's not to say Shimano hasn't been busy.
Linkglide XT Details• 11-speed, 11-50 tooth cassette
• Makes use of derailleur hanger
• Focus on durability & smoothness
• Linkglide runs through the whole Cues group
• Steel cassette
• Price: $343 USD
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bike.shimano.com T-Type is wonderful, but it's currently only available on very high-end bikes. While GX plugged the gap and sits below X0 and XX, I would still consider it costly, even if the performance is very good.
While much of the mountain bike world's attention was focused on SRAM's wireless efforts, Shimano delivered something arguably just as important - their LinkGlide-equipped drivetrains. All these drivetrains, which build up from their entry-level Cues groups all the way through to the XT drivetrain in question in this review, use technology that's all about interchangeability, streamlined product codes, durability, smoothness, and (not inconsequentially) improving the chances that your local bike workshop actually stocks the parts you need.
To do this they've moved all of the LinkGlide drivetrain parts onto linear pull 11-speed spacing. This means that with some clever use of limit screws or phantom clicks before sinching the cable most capable mechanics will be able to make any one part work in conjunction with another—providing flexible upgrade paths for less expensive bikes. It also means they've been able to invest in the technology that will see the most amount of return because it will feature in so many products, and that technology is LinkGlide.
LinkGlide utilizes taller teeth that are thicker at the base on a heavier steel cassette. The cassette, which does without the race-performance quick-shift of Hyperglide+, aims to offer the
smoothest shift Shimano has ever made, even if not the fastest. This is valuable for several reasons. Firstly, it pairs up very well with Di2 Autoshift on e-bikes. Secondly, the focus on durability and robustness plays very well into the goals of Shimano's budget-friendly Cues drivetrains. And thirdly, although it's pure speculation, surely this lays the groundwork for the new Shimano Saint. I would be surprised, and quite frankly a little disappointed if it didn't.
There is a Di2 version of the group, but that is currently only available on e-bikes. It's the LinkGlide technology that laid the necessary foundations for Shimano's FreeShift and Autoshift. Having ridden it, I was genuinely impressed by the performance. Normal bikes will have to make do with mechanical shifting, for now at least.
Linkglide XT DetailsThe Cassette Holds the TechAll too often you will see a new bike that has a fancy derailleur, a mid-tier shifter, and a bog-standard cassette. We've come to associate shift quality being something achieved thanks to great rear-mechs, but often the most eye-catching part of the drivetrain isn't the most important. This is definitely the case with LinkGlide. Most the novel technology is packed in the cassette.
The 11-speed 11-50T cassette that I tested weighs 624 grams and features 11, 13, 15, 17, 20, 23, 26, 30, 36, 43 and 50T cogs. Initially, upon the release of LinkGlide XT there was some criticism of the weight of the cassette. That initial model weighed over 700 grams. Since then, Shimano has shaved around 160 grams off. That 160 grams also represents the weight difference when comparing the slimmed down cassette to a Hyperglide+ 12-speed 10-51T, cassette which weighs 470 grams.
Not only is Hyperglide+ lighter but it also does so while featuring an additional cog. The range offered with Hyperglide+ is also larger (510% versus Linglide's 455%). All of this points to Hyperglide being the performance, premium option and it seems Shimano are very comfortable with that. Hyperglide+
is the technology that will give you a faster shift, greater range and lower weight.
LinkGlide isn't about outperforming Hyperglide+ as an option for racers, but rather about catering to the needs of entry-level riders, e-bikers and riders who want a durable cassette that is smooth under power. In some ways, all three of these groups have a common enemy: delicate componentry that can't handle being treated poorly. Whether that's somebody on their first mountain bike who perhaps hasn't quite yet honed their shifting technique, e-bikers whose motors overpower drivetrains on their way through the gears, or core-mountain bikers who don't care much for race performance as such, but want something that will prove both of decent quality and cost-effective.
How Have They Done This?LinkGlide uses a standard HG freehub body with 11-speed spacing, rather than the Microspline driver used on Shimano's Hyperglide+ drivetrains. While this does limit the size of the 11T (you cannot go any smaller due to the diameter of the body itself) it means that anyone that has a bike with CUES or just a bike with this style of freehub body now has the chance to incrementally upgrade their parts as they break or wear to a product line with quite a high ceiling in terms of performance.
The teeth are thicker at the base and taller. The tooth profile also has a different profile compared to HyperGlide at their edge. This again is thicker and looks to have a large angled edge. Shimano's aim is to provide the chain with the "smoothest" path possible as it crosses between two cogs. They hope to remove "shifting shock", which is what they refer to the rider generating and then picking up chain slack when changing gears, and can sometimes be felt as a jolt through the feet. This is going to be very useful for e-bikes, where drivetrains can sometimes be put under a huge amount of strain under shifts. Shimano claims that this shift is 3 times smoother when featured in their internal comparisons.
The cassette is also purported to be three times more durable. This is an impressive figure but it should be noted that these aren't independently verified, and goes off Shimano's data. That said, even if was merely twice as durable it would still be worth the weight trade-off and a slight reduction in range in my opinion.
ChainShimano claims that their chains aren't laden with the new technology like the cassette is, and are instead a much more conventional affair. Naturally, they say the system is optimized for a LinkGlide XT chain, but that it isn't strictly necessary. Oftentimes, the profile of the chain links can be similar or even interchangeable as you go to more expensive chains but the treatment or material changes.
Derailleur & ShifterLinkGlide XT uses a shifter that differs from their other high-end offerings in only one meaningful way - you can only grab one upshift at a time. They clearly expect this system to get specced on a lot of e-bikes, but some will miss the double shift option. Apart from that, they're very similar. It's ergonomic with ribbed panels for more grip. It's available in I-spec or with a simple band that is tightened with a 4mm Allen bolt. Ours weighed 119 grams.
The derailleur does see some small changes that will keep riders happy, while also including the features that people have come to expect from a Shimano Shadow mech - the relatively low profile, sealed bearings and a somewhat adjustable clutch that can be turned off with the flick of a lever. The smallest and largest cogs that this cassette is rated to work with are the 11 and 50T ones of the Linkglide cassette. It has a weight of 307 grams. There is a small amount of rubber protection on the underside of the mech body. Although this probably not going to save your mech if you hit something particularly hard, it should stop any chain-to-mech rattling. The mech uses a standard mech-hanger fitting.
PerformanceI have found the shifting performance to be excellent. The
slower shift isn't something you really notice, and it blends in with your riding. If I were picky, I would say it seems a shade slower going down the cassette into the smaller cogs rather than moving into the lower, bigger gears. It's very slight though. I think if you're somebody that pedals a reasonable cadence you probably won't notice it much at all. However, when on tech-climbs and trying to make a high-gear work I was thankful for the ability of the cassette to undertake unsympathetic shifts, if only because in those moments patience isn't always at the forefront of your mind.
Speaking of which, while the shift might not be the fastest or the quietest, it is very robust. You really can just do what you want and it never misses a beat. Over the past year, I moved away from the XT chain I started with and went onto Deore 11 speed and the cheapest chain in my local bike shop, which happened to be a KMC. Again, the shifting remained very good.
I did sometimes miss the double-click Multi Release you may well associate Shimano shifters with but you quickly adapt. The shifter is the one area that does feel that little less refined or premium compared to XT Hyperglide+. It's nothing huge, but there's just something about the ergonomics which feels that bit cheaper.
DurabilityI've ridden this drivetrain. A lot. Climbing-wise about 100,000 meters of elevation gained over the summer. Whether it's been endless bike park laps over the summer or big days in Squamish, the durability has been excellent and it shifts just as well now as it did on the first day. I've changed the cable once, but it's been very solid. No bushing play or binding in the mech has crept in over time, nor has it developed any noise or slapping when descending. All in all, it has been excellent in this regard. During testing I used the SM-CRM85 12 Speed chainring, and it worked very well. Again, this uses steel teeth and looks to have stood up very well to use.
Weight & Price I think this group set represents a great trade of between weight, durability, price, and performance. It may not be the best in any one category but for riders who want a compromise between all four this is a great option. It isn't as sleek as SRAM's Transmission but it's also vastly cheaper. Theoretically, you could get this cassette to last a very very long time indeed and just replace cables and chains as needed. If you paired this up to a steel chainring that could also be one less part to wear.
All in all, the groupset costs around $350 USD. This isn't cheap but I do think it offers good value for something that has been so consistently impressive for nearly a year, never mind the fact it should theoretically offer that level of performance for a long time yet.
SL-M8130 DEORE XT Linkglide Shifter - $66.99
RD-M8130 DEORE XT Linkglide Rear Derailleur, - $121.99
CS-LG700-11 Linkglide Cassette - 11SPD - $130.99
CN-LG500 Linkglide Chain - $22.99
I hope Shimano develop something similar with a short cage mech that will do a reasonable spread that is linkglide.
I've been on GX for a couple years now, and its been bulletproof, its my spec of choice for sure.
I have a bike with XT, and GX and prefer the lighter action of the GX, but theres very little between them. A full GX group with crank can be had brand new for a little over $600 on sale at TBS.
The 5130 derailleur is supposed to be good up to 48T (43T officially) seen the 5130 derailleur running 48t on a YouTube video.
Should be possible to run:
5130 10s Derailleur
8130 Shifter (5130 shifter has a display)
LG400-10 11-48T
www.pinkbike.com/u/tsipet/blog/does-the-future-have-fewer-gears-further-experiments-part-1.html
www.pinkbike.com/u/tsipet/blog/does-the-future-have-fewer-gears-further-experiments-part-2.html
www.pinkbike.com/u/tsipet/blog/does-the-future-have-fewer-gears-further-experiments-part-1.html
www.pinkbike.com/u/tsipet/blog/does-the-future-have-fewer-gears-further-experiments-part-2.html
This Cues/LG cassette is Available 11-39T / 11-43T / 11-48T
From the EP6 Range instead of the 8130/5130 groups.
And if I do it's my own fault for not remembering.
Chain length is key. Ditto b tension - with a longer b screw.
enduro-mtb.com/en/best-mtb-disc-brake-can-buy
Ps I know your used to sram where you need a stout 4 finger pull you don't really need to pull on the shimano like that..... so the Mc doesn't really flex as much as you'd think
Worse than greased budget v brakes.
Microspline is a miss TBH. Should have just used xD, or stuck with HG. I already run my Norco Optic with 12s Sunrace cassette on HG driver. Nice, cheaper solution than swapping the freehub: sunrace.com/product/csmz90-wa5. Works fine.
Maybe Sunrace will eventually do 11s on Microspline as well.
Definitely an XT shifer for the dual release.
Alu HG freehub bodies cut through too easy
I’m right there with you on preferring the feel of shimano - mechanical but refined.
I have pedaled around on Transmission, and it works really really well… but there’s no real connection and I miss that.
www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/climate-and-people/shimano-cycling-parts-made-by-modern-slaves-in-malaysia
www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2023/02/01/1152893248/red-cobalt-congo-drc-mining-siddharth-kara
Where do you read just underpaid?
"Workers at Shimano’s Malaysian supplier, Kwang Li Industry, say they have been subject to physical abuse and threats, unlawful salary deductions and recruitment fees, and unpaid suspension.
Due to the salary deductions, those working at the company earned less than Malaysia’s monthly minimum wage, leaving them unable to pay off expensive recruitment costs – equivalent to seven months of salary – tied to their employment."
So they are indebted to the company and unable to pay it off, that's slavery
Shimano should sort themselves out in any case.
(And this is just another reason to always buy secondhand if possible).
Cobalt -I get mined by slaves.
Choclate -Hold my beer.
foodispower.org/human-labor-slavery/slavery-chocolate
That is literally the definition of slavery.
The "employees" had to pay a recruitment cost back. That gets deducted from their wage leaving them without a paycheck because they are paying their employer to work. They cannot leave because they are under contract to pay that back. They also get other stuff deducted from their pay which keeps them there longer.
On top of that they are beaten.
Australia is one of the largest producers of Cobalt so not ALL NMC batteries support the DRC situation. Also, while we are at it, it is probably worth a reminder that fossil fuel refining is a far bigger consumer of Cobalt than the battery industry...
I’ve repaired a few XT clutch mechanisms. It’s a pretty simple job and requires maybe $10 in parts.
The gasket seal on the clutch doesn’t seem to keep moisture out effectively, and over time this causes the lower cage to bind up. If you pop the cover off from time to time to check for moisture that can go a long ways.
Beyond that I’ve had great luck with 12 speed Xt. It’s almost as reliable as 11 speed XT.
I use XT cables and housing, and replace yearly or when I notice issues. I also notice alignment issues faster w/ 12 speed, but that’s true for SRAM as well.
I'm 2 full seasons on mine without any actual wear issues, but I am used to going for a test ride before hitting the trail to make sure none of my gears are ticking and that I can shift through all 12.
* Totally acceptable to have 200 g aluminum cassettes from niche manufacturers for people with foam grips and bare carbon saddles.
If it's rotating or unsprung weight then that's worth another £1.
Carbon rims typically don't make the cut on this equation. Even though it's maybe £3 per gram as both rotating and unsprung mass the weight saving doesn't make up the price difference.
This anchor of a cassette makes no sense for me.
In other words, isn't it possible to design a frame around something like the HammerSchmidt crank so it wouldn't bob like crazy?
Imagine a modern HammerSchmidt paired with a small cassette and short cage derailleur (7speed DH stuff). Direct drive would be lower/climbing gear for no lost gearbox efficiency where it really matters (for most people).
Well done to all those spinning out 32x11 all the time!
Modern suspension is tuned around a 30-32T chainring. 1x has helped make suspension designs perform far better.
As it stands, my non-engineer brain still can't wrap my head around GIANT cassettes with huge derailleurs. Sure beats it beats a front derailleur and it's all 10x better than stuff years ago (at least from a range...not durability perspective), but overall feels like optimizing a dumb solution.
(and for those ready to scoff, come out to the PNW and I'll show you why)
If a bike is meant for gnarly, steep descents, it means it is climbing steep hills to get there. 28t is a winner. It saves weight on the cassette as well.
If it is a 160/170 travel bike, it is not meant for slaying XC KOM's, again, the 28t is just fine.
On the downhills, I'm almost never pedalling anyways.
26T/11T will allow you to ride comfortably at 30km/h.
If you're spinning out your AM or Enduro bike, you need to find some steeper terrain, or get a trail bike built around a 32t front ring.
I think some PNW manufacturers will hop on board with this soon enough on their longer travel bikes. (Looking at you, Kona and Rocky)
This is where lockout comes into play, IMO, on FS; it allows you to spin up the hills with the 26t.
I still prefer m8000 11-46 with a 30t chainring to any 12s groupset I've tried, because I wear them out too quickly. Your setup sounds better than what I'm running.
Full 9 speed drivetrain 11-46t for only $160! Looks like the 10 speed is only $40 more ($200) if you wanted the 48t option. Nuts.
Can further mix things up and run an X01 or XX1 derailleur with it .
It seems we may be headed that way, as the current round of heavier than previous tires are starting to become "acceptable".
It would be nice to see a GX cassette that lasts more than 3-4 chains. A 10 chain cassette is the dream.
Currently getting through 3 chains for each cassette, so if Shimano's claims are accurate then this would be 9 chains, but I'm sure you could squeak 10 out of it
I’m new to the mid tier drivetrain world but is ~3,000-5,000 miles the expected lifespan of a GX Eagle cassette? I’m mostly a weekend rider now but if I can get 2-3 years out of my $180 cassette, thats very acceptable to me.
Just like Srams new transmission line, it’s made for motors and not bikes…
This hits hard for Nissan owners.
Current 12 speed works well, but it’s a lot more finicky-I’ve finally caved and bought a derailleur alignment tool-eyeballing. The alignment doesn’t work on 12 speed (SRAM or Shimano) but I can get 11 speed shifting perfectly that way.
XT Linkglide seems like what most of us should be running-but I do LOVE multi-upshift.
I’ll be curious to see if this gets a decent amount of spec-looks like the best “mid-priced” option.
If the bike is CUES, yes it can be incrementally upgraded to Linkglide XT. In the latter case cited of being any bike with an HG FHB, "incrementally" is exactly the wrong word to use here. The shifter, RD, and cassette would all need changing at once. What exactly are you proposing are the increments?
My linkglide M8139 shifter have double upshift .All of its said in the review its right.but one thing needs to be highlighted: the ergonomic of the shifters levers are bad,horrible .Special the up shifter that is very close of the handlebar and many times we push the shifter with the tip of the thumb .The 12s shifter is much better in ergonomics ,the M8130 should be the same.
They changed what was good for worse
Fixing up a bike for a local lad I discovered the incredible value and quality of microshift and would definitely consider it for myself. And whilst 12 speed is great it is finicky and a wide range 11 speed is great, smallest cog not being 10t is fine, I'm not racing and I bet your not either. The future developments in bikes are definitely going to have to be focused on sustainability, not only environmentally but longevity for the user and repairability.
Its been great hearing about what Shimano is up to, higher quality mid range drivetrains are the future!
I waded through a particularly turgid NSMB piece about Linkglide to find that one of their writers tried it, and says it does work but it's a bit too rough.
Really interested to hear from anyone else who's given it a go though.
I’m in the market to replace an ethirteen cassette. This seems like a good option, but not if I have to get a new shifter and derailleur AND lose the double shift.
Someone on reddit compared the derailleurs between "old 11" (for lack of a better term) and link glide and said the pull ratio seems the same for the derailleur end which would make the difference in the shifter, but I don't know if anybody has confirmed it. Either way it's kind of a bummer because idk if there would be any way to keep double shift.
@henryquinney, don't you mean 'low gear'? High gears are the smaller ones...
*XX/XO Sram
cyclingtips.com/2019/12/the-best-bicycle-chain-durability-and-efficiency-tested
The suspended rear wheel/hub is just a terrible place for extra unsprung weight.
Unless you’re already out there..
Make it a pay site, keep out all the ne’er-do-wells..
Would be cool to see some blind tests with weights of tire inserts/cassettes or whatever. I bet cassette weight is imperceptible.
Btw I'm just doing this because I think it's interesting to calculate if my intuitions are correct (they often are not) and not just to provoke argument with you. I used calculators for your 800m on 20km ride with 75KG rider on 15kg bike vs 16kg bike. Lets say they do it in 1 hour which is achievable by regular non elite athletes. Difference is 3 watts for the duration or 9 kcal total.
Calories: 1,073 vs 1084 (via climbbybike)
Watts: 259w vs 262w (via arizona edu calc)
I don't want to ride a heavy bike either but calculations like this should guide most peoples purchasing decisions and save their money.
The 780 was a previous 2021 model, see www.ambmag.com.au/feature/tested-shimano-linkglide-xt-m8130-groupset-567494
That being said, Shimano owes us a lot on the MTB high end; SRAM is killing dolphins in an enclosed bay, so to speak.
Shimano please make some power moves, this piddly stuff sure seems like a waste of your R&D.
I hear that as a plus often mentioned. As a long time Shimano user (that has also used Eagle), it is just as easy to install a wheel...just a slightly different approach. It is muscle memory more than anything removing and installing rear wheels.
Point was - it's such an obvious little detail that makes life a lot easier/less messy. Borderline elegant. Why can't Shimano do something similar?
FTR: I prefer SRAM drivetrains, Shimano brakes. There. We're all different (except me)
Man, you're on a wrong channel here..
If other readers like his reviews that is totally ok, I’m not saying you have to agree with me