When recently reviewing some E13 LG1 Race wheels, one name came up in the comments several times - Spank. Yes, I think there is a leaning towards alloy wheels within the Pinkbike community, and not without fair reasoning, but the kudos going to these wheels felt too intriguing to ignore.
I might be going against the grain here, and indeed the feelings of the very community that I'm trying to serve, but I do quite like carbon wheels. Not just for their feel, or any one particular ride characteristic, but rather because they don't ding or dent.
Spank 359 Vibrocore Details• Wheel size tested: 29/27.5"
• Intended use: Downhill
• Rim dimension: 30.5mm width, 19mm profile
• Hubs: Spank Hex 3.5° engagement
• Weight: 2199g total (actual)
• MSRP: $349.99 front / $479.99 rear
• More info:
spank.com In fact, in my experience, the only way to guarantee imminent wheel failure is to wax lyrical about how reliable they are on a podcast and then wait for wheel failure to strike at the most inopportune times.
However, when weight isn't so much of an priority you can build them both strong and heavy. Unburdened by the restriction of gram hunting, I've enjoyed great success with carbon wheels on downhill bikes. After testing the E13 wheels, and having a really positive experience, going to the alloy Spank models I wanted to not only compare ride quality but also longevity. Because, so far, a carbon wheel that has had no breakages or issues is quite a hard prospect to find fault with. That said, it isn't particularly difficult to find fault with the price tag that could be nearing $2,000 USD.
Much in the same way that carbon wheels were once novel, I think you could argue that Spank's approach is also novel and features some fresh takes. Firstly, these wheels feature Vibrocore. This is essentially a pressurized foam inside the rim. Why? Well, to reduce and deaden vibration. It might sound trivial, but Spank is all in on this tech. It works in a way similar to how you might try and reduce echo in a room by putting padding on the walls. Secondly, they have no interest in making carbon wheels. Thirdly, in the same way some notable bike brands from Taiwan also make frames for customer brands, Spank does the same for other wheel brands.
Claims, specs, and making rims for the great and the good are one thing, but let's look at these wheels in particular.
Design & SpecsAt the heart of these wheels are the 102T, 6-pawl 3.5-degree Engagement Hex rear hub. The engagement is fast, and the hubs sing out in a characterful ring. They're less of a dull clack and are more of a high-pitched clicking. When going to more teeth on a ratchet, it can be the case that these teeth have to become shallower by their design. This can then mean that there is a risk of slipping or intermittent drive. To get around this, the freehub uses 6 independent pawls with 3 steps per pawl. This means there are 18 engagement points per click, and this should safeguard against any slipping.
The hubs, front and rear, are J-bend. That, coupled with alloy rims probably says something about these wheel's intentions and the core mountain bikers these are being aimed at. The hubs can go between 150 or 157 mm spacing and the endcaps to change between were supplied.
The wheels have an easy-to-interpret rating system. This rating puts in simple terms what the wheels are able to withstand. According to Spank these wheels will work well for a rider of any weight under heavy impacts. In fact, kudos to Spank for a well-sorted website and copy. I know it seems small, but all the information is clear and concise. In recent years, mountain bike websites have started to feel like you have front-row tickets to a David Copperfield light show. The simple clarity of the Spank website was something of a tonic when looking up tech specs.
The wheels on test were 32 hole rims, with triple-butted spokes and brass nipples. Should you choose, these wheels are available without the Vibrocore foam for $20 less. Spank puts a lot of the details you would want or need on the hubs or rims, such as something like ERD. However, I wouldn't be opposed to them marking flange diameter too while they're at it.
Test SetupThese wheels have been used over the peak months of summer riding in Whistler Bike Park. While it hasn't been wet, it's certainly been dry, dusty, and rough. The wheels have been mounted to Specialized's Cannibal tires in 2.4", or my favorite, the 2.4" Maxxis DHR2. The 29er Cannibal tire weighs 1397 grams. It's well-damped and incredibly supportive. My experience with the tire is that it can feel wooden at higher pressures but when getting down to 25 psi and lower it really comes alive. I run the same pressures in both front and rear. When on the Maxxis tires, I would run 26 psi front and rear in the 2.4" width downhill casing. I do tend to find the Maxxis sidewall slightly less supportive for all-out ability at withstanding compressions, but I also find it a slightly more malleable and better tracking casing at lower speeds. Both are good but, much like the compression damping in your suspension, more damping is better at high speed and less can feel like it offers more grip at lower ones.
These wheels were tested on a Santa Cruz V10. I love this bike. During testing, the difference in feeling when doing back-to-back testing with the E13 carbon wheels on the same tires was stark (during back-to-back I used the DHR2). I tried to experiment to see if I could show this with a BYB Telemetry kit but sadly I couldn't extract anything conclusive. I was hoping to see a difference in axle speed on high-speed chatter but it was just too difficult to replicate, as well as control line choice and pressures to within tolerance.
The bikes came pre-taped with valves installed. Tire installation was a breeze.
On the TrailThese wheels offer a muted and controlled ride. Ultimately, they're not that stiff but it wouldn't be right to call them flexy either. I would say they're very middle of the road in this regard. They are noticeably less stiff than the E13 wheels and lack that sharp, precise feeling that a carbon rim can give, but so too do they forgo that bite-back you can get with a stiff wheel.
While I did notice the flex, I wouldn't say it was light-years ahead in terms of radial flex or comfort through the big chunder. If mountain biking was just taking straight-on hits that only require radial flex then I think the carbon wheels do a great job. The difference is when the wheels have to manage both direct and twisting forces at the same time. These wheels handle torsional load very well and have a great amount of flex for keeping momentum when taking off camber hits, like when you are at risk of getting pushed off line or coping with harsh braking bumps and setting up for a turn
Is the Vibrocore a silver bullet in terms of comfort? Truthfully I can't discern that. They do offer comfort and I would say that these are more comfortable than the LG1 Race wheels in some instances, but it's not universal - and on square edges when the bike is lined up on its y-axis, any benefit is negligible or non-existent. Plus, all the gains in comfort are bought and paid for with what's given away in steering precision, compared to a stiffer carbon rim.
What this wheelset excels at is granting the rider less deflection through choppy terrain. Does that come with less precision? Yes, especially in high-load turns that want to chew you up and spit you out. But if you're a rider who likes fast, techy trails and loves getting yourself into trouble on rough trails, and then getting yourself back out of it again, it's probably a worthwhile trade-off. The 359s are not so razor-sharp as some stiffer wheels, and in the right situation that's not a bad thing.
DurabilityThese wheels have been great at taking a beating. There have been square hits, side-glancing hits, front-and-rear-all-at-once hits, and both wheels still spin true. I did have to retension the rear once, but when I did so the bike was still very much rideable. With a tire fitted at 25 psi, the spokes had a deflection reading of around 15, as opposed to the 20-25 that it should read. (I tend to measure spoke flex with tires installed at pressure as the compressing force of the inflated tire can change spoke tension quite significantly). It was an easy-to-remedy problem though and I think in keeping with my expectations of a downhill wheel.
When driving the bike into compressions through the apex of catches on Whistler downhill, one of my favorite test tracks, the front has felt like it has hit nothing but pure rock. The ability of this alloy wheel to shrug off this style of hits, the type that in my experience usually ends up with a dented or buckled rim, is very impressive.
The hubs sometimes squeal, which is annoying. Quickly pulling them apart remedies it though.
Pros
+ Strong and reliable
+ Blends torsional and radial stiffness well
+ Comfortable through chunder
Cons
- Not the most responsive to steering inputs in high-load turns
- Intermittent squeal from hub seals
Pinkbike's Take | The 359s blend some interesting features with the style of wheel that your average mountain biker loves. A simple and effective product that represents what the right blend of design, clear language, and familiar technology can achieve, all at a price around half of what a carbon wheelset might set you back. Is the Vibrocore revolutionary? I'm not sure it is, but I also don't think it has to be - it's more about maximizing the package of an alloy wheelset than trying to fundamentally reestablish what an alloy rim can or should do.— Henry Quinney |
Before Spikes, I literally bashed 26" Tweet Tweet rims for 10 years, a bit heavier but bombproof rims.
Rear finally developed a wobble after experimenting with low pressures in rocky terrain. Started breaking spokes after 3 years. The rim is pretty hammered but no problems at the joint.
Replaced the rear rim with another 359. Front 359 still going strong. Chips in the logo finish and scratches/nicks is all.
Ran an Oozy Trail345 for a while after killing a RF rim on a different bike. Rode that for a few years, including a decent amount of park. Was in good shape when I sold that bike.
I sent pics of the suspect seam to Spank support, and he said it looks fine- meant to have some movement.
After trying again, we got them to seat, and seal, and they’ve been good ever since. And I do stupid things on a short travel bike..
The trade-off of comfort and control is right on the money for my, and with my carbon frame and Trust Message fork, the lateral stiffness seems totally up to the task. Sorry, but I love them..
And the mechanic that installed my new Specialized Eliminators on my Spank Oozy 345’s was an idiot, and was fired soon after he failed to get my tire mounted. He blamed everything on the seam, and now I’m running them hard for two seasons already.
Simply put- when airing up a tire on a Spank rim, pay extra attention to the tire staying concentric on the rim. Might take two tries instead of one..
It was clean, too clean, all four bearings were destroyed.
Funny, I’ve been running my other Spank hubs for years with no issues. Lucky for me, my SRAM hub adapter fit right in.
Just two bearings to swap, rather than four.
I never use a high pressure washer.. Coincidence?
Given the flag im sure you own an American made bike?
Want faster engagement than you need? I9, but you’ll burn up bearings, snap axles and/or break the drive ring (which you can’t service yourself.
Want fast enough engagement and bulletproof function? DT star ratchet hub, laced to a DT rim.
I don't need high POE hubs on the road, at all. That trend is also silly. My deep Roval wheels have 36 tooth and that is more than enough. 66 on the Zipps is a waste. Just more drag.
I'd rather have a 36 POE DT on a DH bike.
Why the i9 hubs? Parts availability last summer, was my only option to get riding again. Never going back.
1. These wheels need consistent spoke tension on the upper end of the spectrum (110-130kgf)
2. The wheels tend to be built poorly, so have them done up properly before riding, and broken in properly.
3. Get them right and they are indestructible.
Have moved them over to my full sus now, and they still holding up great.
Spank rims, in a word- compliance. I don’t want to give that up for anything, even if it would match the carbon motif of the rest of my bike..
I've got some spray foam laying around...
In the moto world, pumping your bars full of silicone used to be a thing.
That’s a lot of liquid grams..
"(I tend to measure spoke flex with tires installed at pressure as the compressing force of the inflated tire can change spoke tension quite significantly)"
Does any wheel manufacturer say to use that methodology? If they say X tension it is almost certainly just as the rim, spokes and hub. While you are obviously more knowledgeable than me as I've never built a single wheel but that struck me as an interesting point.
They are all doing fine. Only reason I switched to DT Swiss for my 29" enduro bike is because they are cheaper and Spank doesn't do these wonderful colors any more...
@Spank-Ind please bring back those colored rims!
As for the rim bed shape, I think it is good to be aware that with some tire inserts it works better than with others. Actually as there isn't one but two (off)center channels, a round insert like Pepi is quite easy to install as it leaves the grooves vacant whereas those with a channel through the (like Tannus) will be a good bit harder to deal with. ProCore is horrible on these.
Yes I'm aware some options mentioned here (26" wheels, tire inserts, hardtails) only apply to a minority of readers. If you're not one of them, don't bother .
My 345’s were on close out to make room for the new models, and Spank didn’t want to sell them to me! Tried to tell me they wouldn’t work!! They did..
I’ve seen unlaced rims from them- usually around $100. Just make sure they’re the latest greatest!
A 32 hole is holding up much nicer, but still needs way more attention to the spokes than most any carbon rim or a much stiffer alloy rim.
For the price though, even adding in the time spent with spoke wrench and tensiometer, they are great. Hub is bomber, quick, and zippy sounding but not super loud, I expect it to stick around for quite a few rims.
And perhaps correcting mistakes (or "omitting a clear and important word", is that's the way you want to spin it) promptly, that would be nice, too. The Onni article still implies that lower pressure is a way to solve excessive bottoming out, and the Onni gets dinged for that.
The total price for the wheelset is $800ish.
If suddenly people start talking about how they cost thousands, it might lead readers to believe that's what they cost.
Thanks!
If the first comment is about an incorrect price, and that comment string grows, then people might be inclined to believe that's the price.
It also threatens pinkbike's relationship with brands - good or bad review, pricing is a major components of advertising. A company could have a product that doesn't get a glowing review, but is so much cheaper than everything else that people will still buy that product. If consumers think the product is twice the MSRP without ever checking, then they'll never considered it because not only does it have a bad review, but it's overpriced. Thus, Pinkbike has a certain obligation to be truthful in their review (for the reader) and accurate in their product information (for the brand.)
I'm pretty sure that the Nukeproof Horizon v2 is the same as the Canfield Special Blend wheelset.
@henry - I thought Fratelli made the rims for Spank?
"Pro: good balance of compliance and direct steering
Con: squeal? (I have 3 of those hubs, 1f, 2r, never heard it)"
It's like saying "Pro: daytime is bright. Con: daytime is not dark." That doesn't help anyone, because you can't have the antipodes of bright and dark at the same time. If you take away the pro, you take away the con at the same time, automatically.
When switched from Rosm 60 carbon rims to aluminum Spank 345’s, I instantly nailed my personal impossible climb!
Though the ID of the rim did increase, IDT that was all of it.
It’s was a trail, it was steep, it had rocks.
Have pleasantly discovered, a few days after warranty expired, that the valve hole was destructed on rear rim (diagnosed as heavy oxydation). Spank denied production issue, Stan's denied their ammonia based sealant to be responsible, wheelbuilder washed his hands of it (despite them, as Spank at the time, recommending Stan's sealant).
For the full history, out of structural confidence in my rim and disgusted by the various company attitudes I stopped mtbiking for a long period, switching to road bike instead. Wheelbuilder, french based Asterion, finally accepted (years later) to do a repair (resin based) to the valve hole, clumsily trying to charge me for that despite oral engagment they would not. Fast forward a few years later, in the end that did not stopped me to continue mtb, but the time ratio to road bike is clearly in favor of the lycra activity. General fitness improved, so there's still that.
Cannot recommend a company who does not stand by its product. Sorry Spank, buy yourself a customer oriented policy first.
I just don’t understand why anyone would run aluminum rims at this point.
I switched from carbon to Spank Oozy 345’s and felt like I picked up 2” of travel! I actually had to retune my suspension for this.
I destroyed an “enduro” SRAM Roam 60 Carbon rim without tire contact or suspension bottom out. And I don’t weigh much.
I feel the weight difference on the road- when it turns to dirt, somehow that disappears.
I love everything about the feel of the 345’s. Give me a new set of carbon wheels, and you’ll find them in buy/sell immediately.
BTW, everything else on my bike is carbon, including the fork.