How Does It Compare? Trek and Specialized have each cooked up SL eMTBs that showcase their product development team’s skills - there’s little left to be desired if you’re in the market for one of these sub-18kg machines. The Fuel EXe and Levo SL don’t exactly line up against one another in their stock configuration, however, depending on how you set them up, there could be considerable overlap.
The Fuel Exe has 10mm less travel at either end, but a 160mm fork isn’t out of the question. Out of the box, it arrives with dual 29” wheels. Again, swapping the stock parts for a 27.5” rear wheel will make it more “flickable”. Those two attributes point the Fuel EXe closer to a 60/40 split of up descending and climbing, versus the Levo SL’s 70/30 realm.
A critical change for Specialized to keep up with the market meant bumping the SL 1.2 motor up 50Nm of torque. That matches TQ’s HPR50 now, however, Trek’s integrated battery holds 40 more watt-hours. One thing you don't want more of on an e-bike is noise. While the Levo SL motor acoustics aren't loud, it does have a slightly higher pitched whine compared to the TQ, particularly at higher RPMs.
Both the Levo SL and Fuel Exe came in the flashiest trim available, however, the Trek slightly undercuts Specialized in terms of pricing. The Levo SL S-Works costs $1000 USD more than the Fuel Exe’s $13,999 USD price tag. House branded carbon bars, wheel are found on each bike, along with SRAM’s top-tier T-type wireless shifting and Code brakes. Tires are another item sourced within each brands’ garage. Specialized’s rubber is light years ahead of the plastic-like Bontrager treads, which were swiftly removed from the Fuel EXe.
Another bonus point for Trek is the entry price. Aluminum Fuel EXes begin at $5,499 USD and still use the sought after TQ motor. Oddly enough though, only the aluminum Fuel EXe is equipped with a interchangeable headset cup to alter the angles which is an option that Trek’s customers spending top dollar would appreciate. Of course, this could be accomplished using aftermarket headsets if desired.
Technical Report Fox 36 Factory: Before the burly 38 fork, the 36 served as the long-travel single crown for in Fox’s lineup. Between the two, there is a subtle difference in stiffness and how the air spring operates, but it still packs a punch. With the Grip2 damper and fool-proof volume spacers, it’s still a quality bit of kit for enduro and trail bikes.
Code Stealth Ultimate Brakes: The master cylinder may look different on the outside, but internally, they use the identical parts to the previous generation Code RSCs. A reshaped lever has a rounder side profile which seems to be welcomed by all. Most apparent, the brake lines exit on an angle to tie into stem clamps for a neat and quiet setup.
SL 1.2 motor: Bumping the torque from 35 to 50Nm may not seem like much on paper, but it’s significant on the trail. Grinding up climbs and lunging up tech moves comes with an added boost. It’s also much quieter than the first generation motor and most importantly, less whiny.
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Fox forks 25% off So lets call it $1000 all in.
Carbon wheels better than this $1500 max
GX drivetrain ( i would go with Shimano XT ) $600 add another $500 for a GX drivetrain.
Brakes - $500 Again I Would go with XT
Choose your seatpost $350 max
Carbon bars and stem - $250
Seat - $100
Pedals $100
Grips - $30
So between $4-5k max on parts. But realistically , you can get new take offs of all of those for cheaper.
The point being, they are charging you $9-10k for the frame.
Scroll down to the Spec Level graph. They have added up the price of the individual components so you can pick the best value bike at every price point.
Little difference
It's a 43% increase. That's a huge increase, even "on paper".
Let’s let that sink in a minute
Yes. It's insane...
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No. It won't keep up with full power bikes. Period.
Its increased torque was barely noticeable to me ( 200+ lbs) over my 35nm KSL and wouldn't be a reason for buying it.
Compared to the 1.1 SL motor on my KSL the thing is gloriously quiet and I'm envious.
It's a beautiful bike in person. I love that they ditched the sidebar brace.
My KSL gets similar range to a standard Levo but with more effort of course. I'm guessing the new motor will deplete the batt a little quicker but the beauty of an SL bike is that you can pedal a dead one home pretty easily.
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Or a bicycle with a battery.
The weight of the Levo SL is amazing and it has some nice attributes, however the Chainstays are too short (running 27.5 rear wheel in the long chainstay position lowers and slackens this bike drastically), the STA at least 2' too slack and really the battery a fair bit too small.
I studied this bike a lot but ultimately found the Relay (*now on sale btw) offered a lot more of what I was looking for in a mid-power e-bike. The very average ring controller and display of the F60 doesn't matter a bit in real world use. The bike matters, and it's phenomenal with the best mid power powertrain in the industry.
But really, to get proper geo, a much needed bash guard, more travel and 35% more battery, yah its going to weigh more.
I found that climbing up to ride this route using the "Trail mode" and more is not a problem: www.trailforks.com/ridelog/planner/view/482766
Again, that will depend on the motor tuning and the system weight (maybe you're carrying a heavier pack today).
The best part though is that you can still pedal when the battery runs out though
Tyres, rider weight, settings, ground conditions etc.
It's a 320Wh battery and its pretty efficient. So it will do about the same as most other SLs per Wh for a given power. (And probably better than ones like the TQ which isn't the most efficient).
On my gen 1 bike I get 20 miles and 3000feet of climbing in a conservative trail type mode. I can squeeze this to 30 miles and 4000feet in a low eco mode. Or I can spaf the whole thing up against the wall in 10 miles and 2000feet in full turbo the whole time. 175lbs rider on fire-road/tarmac climbs.
Range extender adds about 50% as you would expect.
Wonder what the battery/motor replacement situation will be in 3 years.... seems to me the ebike is the epitome of designed obsolescence
I watched my e8000 bike get absolutely smoked by ep8s with fresh batteries, and I still chose to go ride. Because it was always worth it. Shitty trails are fun, more DH laps are right there, and that 27.5" bike with the 180mm fork was the best XC bike I ever rode! Dudes are super precious with this stuff, it's eye opening how much they want to be angry.
I just bought a Norco Optic for 2000 bucks. It's a perfect little ripper bike, but I really don't when I'm gonna ride it--if it's good for that bike it'll be better for my new eeb!
I’ve done this very same ride on a 540wh Decoy in 3:07 moving time. Both close to fully depleting the battery at the end of the ride.
But as some have stated, it depends on your weight. I’m 155lbs and my LSL is under 37lbs with pedals included at the time. Currently it’s got a Zeb and coil shock and weighs 39 but I am running an Assegai EXO+ out back and Assegai EXO up front.
For the ones crying about the price: don't buy the S-Works one, simple as that. Mine is an expert, changed the fork to Factory 38 and I would never chhange anything else on the bike.
Riding anything other than steep / dh on an E feels sluggish and stupid to me.
40lbs is basically the weight of a kitted enduro rig…it’s a pig and is meant for proper riding, not trail.
It takes a close look to identify this as an e-bike.
Perfect on the descend. Thinking on swapping stem for a 35 mm
However, from a still relatively newbie back to mtb after a long time.
Who would this bike genuinely benefit. In which I mean, if I purchased it, It would be a waste of money because I simply aren't good enough a rider to probably notice where the price has gone.
To all you shredders out there, wouldn't you be a little shit scared at this breaking? I known these companies have warranties etc but I'd just be thinking about scratching it and shit breaking. Does this bike make you any better a rider than a 8k bike without all the bells and whistles this has?
Which I don't do with my bike
somehow it doesnt look like he would stay on the trail which heads left
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The back end won't pass you on corners
You can steer with your hips
All the wet/loose/sloppy corners become velcro traction producers
In the steeps you can weight the rear and brake, and its like tossing an anchor, the spike digs in and keeps you in line
You must have forgotten that the reviewer @mattbeer is a freaking CANADIAN NATIONAL CHAMP
The west coast canadians know a thing or two about traction on pretty much any kind of vehicle.
I have ridden a wet scream rear, swamp thing front years ago, which had a bit of what you describe.
I'd still want a mud-friendly front tyre here in the UK tho
Prefer the stevo overall but the LevoSL gets me on the trails on what would've been recovery days before I owned it.
The SL is also magic for some local parks where I can 3x my normal laps vs the stevo.
Been riding for nearly 30years and the SL is 100% a no regret, only upside (other than bank balance) purchase.
I ride 6x week and the SL gives me 50% more trail in the same timeframe vs the stevo.
Hard to argue with more corners, laps etc & my heartrate monitor confirms the gains are still there as it makes you work to access the assist.
This is a hobby, they're all toys.
I would bet you use batteries. In theory the major brands have recycling programs.
I doubt you would even notice an increase on your electric bill.
All class 1 ebikes are pedal assist only. All the decent emtb s are class 1 .
Not lazy.
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Trail riding is best done with a trail bike…
Unless you’re disabled or 70+…why even consider this silly thing?
I like E bikes, but put Dh components on them and ride proper terrain otherwise they are just sluggish as hell.