Frame Details The outgoing Smuggler was the last bike in the lineup to harken back to the swoopy curvy days of Transition, with the new model landing in the angular aesthetic that marks the brand's new era. Alonside the change in form are a few updates to the frame's details, namely in the cable routing and headset department. Where the prior Smuggler Carbon had external brake routing, the new model snakes the rear brake through the front and rear triangle.
The headset has also gone the way of integration, with drop-in bearings replacing the pressed headset cups. This was done to facilitate the use of the new internal cable guides that terminate at the headtube of the bike, as those are apparently incompatible with the press-in aluminum cups seen on most other bikes. The integration is clean, but I'm sure some will bemoan the loss of aftermarket options there.
I wish I could say the updated cable routing simplified things, but it turned out to be quite the opposite. Where most carbon bikes are now employing fully guided tube-in-tube cable routing, the Smuggler stops a step short of that convenience. The routing ends a bit in front of the bottom bracket, with the carbon tubes' raw ends accessible via a big cutout in the back of the bottom bracket shell; I've dubbed this opening the Loam Cupboard. From there, it's a bit of a free-for-all through the stays, though those are easy enough to route if you start from the back. Ultimately, this means you'll have to remove the lower pivot hardware and swing the stays up in order to start fishing the cable up into the guide tubes, at which point they'll pop out of the headtube.
That Loam Cupboard does the job of getting the cables through the bike, but it also does an excellent job of funneling mud and debris into the frame. Every time I pulled the bottom bracket, I found a hardened plug of dirt crammed all around the BB area. I tried to shield it with some mastic tape above the stay, but it seems to get from the sides and below, and at a certain point you don't want to wrap every exposed gap. My advice here would be to make sure you use the plastic tube that connects the two bottom bracket cups, it'll go a long way in keeping crud from collecting and killing those bearings.
I asked the folks at Transition about this issue, and they're well aware of it, enough so to design a
little fender that shrouds the area over top of the hole. Dirt and water might still accumulate from underneath, but hopefully this would do a bit better than my mastic tape fix.
This hole sits behind the chainstay bridge, but there's enough of a gap for plenty of trail debris to accumulate.
There are no flip chips, no geometry adjustments, no extra gadgets or features - just a well-rounded bike made to ride up and down hills. Stick a water bottle in the frame, accessories on the top tube mount, and get out the door.
I thought Transitions like the Spur and Patrol were supposed to be brick shithouses that ride great, marketed towards “core” riders?
The 5010 GX AXS being 800$ CAD cheaper with pretty much the exact same specs as the Transition Smuggler GX AXS with better build quality, better paint, in frame storage and free bearings is definitely showing that Transition pricing structure is out of touch with the market.
They're just getting greedy. Tile was I would have loved to ride a Bellingham brand as it's just a couple hours north of me, but that time has passed as Transition and Kona have been moving up the pricing scale.
Obviously they are making more margins in those cases. And this idea that margins continue to rise and that doesn't immediately equal greed is silly.
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So spend your money how you want. Transition is an employee owned company. Long gone are the days of Santa Cruz being a small fun company. PON bought SC because the can make their money in numbers.
Deore has the exact same shifting performance as SLX or XY but is heavier but more durable due to the all steel cassette.
What do you think you don't like about Deore vs liking SLX? For reference my wife's bike has full Deore and mine full SLX and I cannot feel any difference.
"and does not have the shifting performance of SLX"
As I think Shimano doesn't even claim that. Just weight savings. To say you don't want the weight there (especially as it makes a difference in suspension performance) makes sense, but I don't get the thought that even if the maker says they shift the same, because of it being the more budget option it gets panned.
But to each their own. Happy riding.
Never been able to talk down a Deore evangelist, but that's the truth. It's a good drivetrain for how cheap it is. It's not fantastic.
I don't have much time with sx, so can't contribute much there.
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I also don’t know why they’re referencing performance elite in the review, yet it clearly show Factory in all the photos.
That damn Jeffsy Core 5 in space blue keeps beckoning to me: Full XO transmission, Fox 36 Factory with kashima, I9 hubs, just 32 pounds - all for just $6500 msrp? hot damn!
And CC @TransitionBikeCompany
I wanted to say Transition was like Nike (All branding and marketing with crap products), but I think Evil and Nike are much more aligned with their despicable business practices, transition is more like Adidas. Their bikes are still largely outsourced cad designs with marketing attached but their overall business practices are not objectively Evil.
Horst-link, nearly identical geometry (also size-specific), 34 Factory and Float X Perf Elite, XT drivetrain and TRP Evo brakes.
Also 31 lbs, but aluminum. No frame storage, but no weird hole in the bottom either.
These are basically the same bike. There's no way a carbon frame warrants an extra $3300.
To be clear, neither do I (although I also don't really don't dislike them, per se). I was actually pointing out how expensive Yeti frames are, even relative to other brands.
Where they (a relatively common/mass market brand) is selling frames in 4-5 sizes, for $500 MORE than an ultra boutique/relatively unheard of brand selling 3d printed Ti/Carbon tube frames offered in 22 sizes. Heck, you can get it custom modified in size for the same price as a Yeti.
Which, strangely makes Atherton frames a good value in comparison.
Unless its something groundbreaking, carbon frames need to stay at that MSRP of $2999.95 or less pricepoint that existed before all of this post pandemic greedflation took hold.
Lastly. What's with manufactures obsession with integrated headsets these days? Good god.
This ^ is a custom designed, made in Germany frame, and it's less expensive than a plastic frame popped out of mold?
Strange days for sure.
Just awesome bikes.
The fact that people think that carbon is a "superior" material and are subsequently ready to pay more for carbon is mainly based on gaslight marketing and nonsensical performance buzzwords.
Funny how emotional men get about brands.
Source - a man
They really need some kind of rubber gasket or seal that presses between both sides of the pivot to prevent dirt accumulating around the bearing. I've never had this problem with any other brand (SC, Specialized, REEB, Giant, Ibis, Intense) riding in the same area for whatever reason.
My Sentinel's rear triangle was so badly out of alignment that I had to twist it to reinstall the axle. It broke after a month and the one they replaced it with was aligned better, part of me wonders if frame alignment has been an issue, but since I've seen 5 different bikes with the same problem (some alloy, some carbon), I doubt it. That generation's Sentinel Carbon also had issues with the rocker bearings walking out of the frame, you can look down the rear triangle where the seatstay connects and see the outer races hanging out. Every bike in the demo fleet here had this happen as did my own, I had to press them back in with a retaining compound.
Either way, I ditched them as a brand entirely over this issue. I've had a lot of their bikes over the years and I hated doing it, but replacing bearings every 2 months is really annoying. I also thought it was really crappy to pay the same MSRP for a carbon frame as every other brand and not have internal routing, it's one thing if you are charging less than others, but it was annoying running a silencing kit on a high end frame.
Feels like Transition have go backwards. They are loved for maintainability and adjustability. This one has none :-(
Transition seems to make great bikes, but for the price, I'd rather have a Tallboy. For $6500 CAD, you can get a carbon Tallboy with GX, RaceFace rims + DT Swiss hub (albeit the 370), AND it's actually full GX, not the NX shifter. Or the Hightower for $7300, same build. The Smuggler is $8200 and comes with a NX shifter, WTB rims, and Novatech hubs. Sheesh. Who's buying this?
Dario: Are you aware that the hole in the bottom of the frame is letting dirt get through?
Transition: Yes
Am I being gaslit here? This seems insane.
That's hilarious!
Maybe they should just come out and say that Transition sucks at picking shock tunes.
That crossover compression stack they love with the huge gap is no bueno.
Phew?
Every other bike I look at seems to have significant gaps somewhere in its basic design that I can't get past. Also, many don't offer frame only options.
Fortunately for me, the cost of the frame one way or the other is a pretty minor concern in the scheme of things, but I agree that Transition's builds seem heavy and with poor spec selections for the $.
Alloy+ GX/SLX would be great.
Not sure how you can expect to move bikes at these prices when other brands are offering more for less money.
The Smuggler might be new and shiny enough to be selling at the moment, but I'll be shocked if we don't see Snugglers on sale here soon, and a "pricing correction" from Transition when new models or significant updates come out.
Most small boutique brands have been through several economic downturns.
It’s mainly the ones who got greedy during Covid and thought they could continue selling like that forever who are in trouble.
Cons-bearing wear and cable routing
These cons are common to direct to consumer “value brands” and might be an acceptable trade-off for saving a few hundred dollars for some folks. Not in this price bracket though.
I’d also be curious is the frame is perfectly aligned. Bearing wear that fast suggests it might not be.
Keep your paint immaculate on your mountain bike.
Clean bike is a fast bike but the fastest bike is the one you don’t care about the paint
What is the process that necessitates the addition of an angled shelf to the ends of the headtube as opposed to leaving it smooth? The bores still need to be aligned and concentric and smooth, and now they've added the shelves that also need to be aligned and concentric and smooth. It seems like just more work on top of the more work to make the guides.
However the pricing (in the UK) is bananas. Mixed with this being the only bike in their whole range where the alloy is not available frame only, and the carbon frame has been held steadfastly at RRP all year despite discounts everywhere elsecin the range. And then - my LBS/dealer start to hint at the quality not being what one might expect, the paint finish being poor... This review kind of backs that up. I ended up going with another carbon option, a superbly finished 'boutiquey' frame for less money and impeccable quality.
Disclosure - previous very happy Transition owner. Fear they might have jumped the shark with this one.
Cable Routing - It's just fine, and in fact addresses one of my pet peeves which is the loop of housing on other designs that is external around the BB before it goes back into the chainstay. Super clean. Also, with AXS there is really only the rear brake line to deal with and rerouting that is only a thing if your swapping brakes. Also, pulling the lower pivot bearings to swing the rear end up to enable routing MAKES you clean and check them. 10 minute job.
Bearings- I have 1500 plus miles on mine and they are still going strong. Maybe it's bike dependent but my experience is just different.
Pricing - Yep, I agree they are not the value they once were. Can't really fight that one, but to me the end product is pretty special so it is what it is
I guess you thought it was but is the X0 AXS really worth the extra coin over the GX AXS?
Perhaps this was worded incorrectly?
For a bit more than 300€, I've got a V.3 Smuggler from a V.2 by mounting a Cascade Components link + a -1° angleset.
Works perfectly, the only shite I keep is the poor rear tyre clearance, but otherwise I love my V2.3 Smuggler
I hugely desired Transition but lately I’ve been hearing some stuff on their quality… makes me reconsider as I was pretty much set on a tradition as my next bike…
Essentially boils down to: "In a vacuum it's an ok trail bike, but in reality there's others that do everything better for less money."
One does wonder what exactly happened to Transition. They used to be cool once but really seem to have lost the plot somewhere along the way...
not even remotely close in terms of value. come on guys lots of loyal customers but the $2k gouging really hurts
Not sure what other alloy frames are 2k now
For the 1.5# weight penalty (my actual difference using all of the same parts from my Spur except a longer fork and dropper on the Smuggler) the Smuggler is so much more bike and still fully entertaining on easier trails.
I do agree that the value isn't there, but I bought a frame and built my own and am very pleased with the end, 28.5# result.
Incorrect: Frame material, spec, price
FAIL
This isn’t actually something people give any amount of thought, is it?
Plus it has good seattube. No wonder it feels good.
Too bad for the rest.
Umm, the top-tube mount is definitely an extra feature/gadget.
And why can't you just get out and ride on a bike with flip chips or adjustments? There is absolutely nothing stopping you, besides your own neuroticisms, from just riding a bike in it's stock form, forever. At least with adjustments, _you have the option_ to later tweak things, IFF you want to.
You mention that the IS headset limits potential geo tweaks, but then praise the lack of intentional geo tweaks. You guys always want it both ways.
"as one that could punch pretty far above the assumed assumed pay grade so long as you're able to cash the checks."
Yikes.