Review: We Are One Arrival 170 - An Enduro Race Bike That Can Climb

Nov 13, 2023
by Matt Beer  
You're likely familiar with the We Are One backstory by now - the company has made a name for itself crafting premium carbon frames and rims in Canada. Three frames exist under the Arrival name, with either 130, 152, or 170mm of rear travel. This boutique frame is subtle with minimal paint and branding but stands out nonetheless.

We're focusing on the Arrival 170 UDH MX, which is what I’d call version 1.5 of their enduro race bike, since the geometry and kinematics haven’t changed, but the entire rear triangle has been redesigned to accept SRAM’s Universal Derailleur Hanger. A second welcomed addition is a flip-chip built into the seatstay pivot to accommodate a 27.5” rear wheel while maintaining the full 29er geometry.

The frame comes in three sizes and uses a dual-link suspension, yielding 170mm of travel. That's paired with a 170mm fork which rests at a sub 63.7-degree head tube angle, making it plenty aggressive, but not crazy-slack.

We Are One Arrival 170 Details
• Carbon frame, made in Canada w/ lifetime warranty
• Travel: 170mm front and rear
• Wheels: 29" front and rear (MX compatible)
• Super Boost 157mm rear hub spacing
• 63.7° head tube angle
• 76.6° seat angle (L)
• Sizes: M, L, XL
• Reach: 445, 472, 497mm
• Chainstay: 447mm (XL: 450)
• Weight: 14.6 kg / 32.2 lb (as pictured)
• Price as shown: $8,299 USD
• Frame only: $5,499 CAD / $4,299 USD (w/ RockShox SuperDeluxe Coil)
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bigquotesThe Arrival 170 is cut out for enduro racing. It's plenty capable downhill, but isn't as single-minded towards descending as other long-travel bikes that can be cumbersome in flatter terrain. Matt Beer





Frame Details

We Are One Arrival 170. Photos Max Barron
The Arrival frame now accepts a UDH and features a flip-chip at the seatstay pivot to maintain geometry if swapping between 27.5 and 29" wheels.

The front and rear carbon triangles can be built into three unique bikes: the Arrival 152 on which the platform is originally based, Arrival 130, and the 170. The biggest version requires its own set of suspension links, a longer shock, and a fork of equal travel. The upper plates are braced by a carbon bridge, saving 50 grams over the aluminum version of the past.

Glancing over the frame, We Are One has all the usual areas that cause complaints covered. On the rear triangle, there is healthy layering of rubber to silence chain slap, as well as BB and downtube protection. This high-end build uses few cables. When the brake hose enters the downtube, foam tubing eliminates rattling noises - internal guides were omitted in favor of superior carbon compaction.

Other areas worth investigating are the lack of ISCG tabs and accessory mounts. We Are One does offer a proprietary chainguide, however SRAM’s X0 Transmission cranks carry their own bashguard, relieving the frame of any forces from rock strikes.

We know not everyone loves 157 Super Boost rear wheel spacing (probably because they already own a 148 Boost wheel or frame), but zoom out and look at what We Are One have implemented with the Arrival's chainline (55mm) - they're paired the wider 157mm spaced hub with the 148mm crankset (168mm Q-factor). By combining these components, they've reduced the angle of the chain when in the lower gears - arguably, the place you spend the most time. Who wouldn't welcome less drivetrain wear? Smart.

Overall, the frame is well thought out with room inside the front triangle for a water bottle and a small fender to protect the linkage from debris. Another worthy mention about the build quality is the high tolerance on the hardware which is apparent when switching the Arrival between rear wheel sizes. All of the threaded components along the frame feed into female chips that can be replaced if damaged, excluding the BB shell.

Geometry & Sizing

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We Are One evolved the Arrival 170 to cater to enduro racing, making the wheelbase longer and the head angle slacker than the 150. Those measurements land in the ballpark of what we’d expect; aggressive for bike park speeds but not unwieldy when nose-picking around 180-degree switchbacks.

The headtube sits in what most would consider the slack range at 63.7-degrees while the seat tube rests at a reasonably steep 76.6. When slack head tubes and mega-steep seat angles meet, they can cramp the seated position and put a ton of weight into the handlebars. The Arrival 170 leaves enough space without placing so much weight over the back wheel that you’ll loop out.

Our size large frame stretches to a 472mm reach at the front half and a 447mm chainstay for the rear end. The medium frame uses the same chainstay length, but that grows by just 3mm on the 500mm-reach XL frame. When scoping the vertical measurements though, the 100mm headtube and 20mm BB drop add up to a low stack height of 624mm. A low-rise 20mm bar doesn’t help a forward weight bias, but that’s easy enough to change to suit your style.

Another figure to point out is the seat tube length and dropper post height. The seat tube length measures 445mm, about 15mm longer than a Santa Cruz Nomad. The size large was provided with a 170mm RockShox AXS post which has a bulkier clamp head and therefore a taller stack height than most mechanical droppers, which is something to keep an eye on if you require more clearance in that area.




Suspension Design

We Are One Arrival 170. Photos Max Barron
The Arrival 170 uses its own set of links that differ from the 130 and 152 travel models. It also uses a longer 205x65mm stroke shock.

We Are One hasn’t disclosed kinematic graphs, the anti-squat and anti-rise are likely high on this dual-link design due to its resistance against pedal bob and neutral braking characteristic.

On the leverage side, the Arrival 170 uses longer links than the 130 and 152. That calls on a 205x65mm stroke shock. This build came with a RockShox Super Deluxe Coil which was tuned for We Are One. You can also choose the air version of that shock as well as a Fox Float X2.

Off the top, the SuperDeluxe Coil moves with a light action and then quickly ramps up to a firm mid-stroke for support. Overall, the Arrival is quite progressive. Rarely did I hit the end of the travel.




Specifications

Specifications
Release Date 2023
Price $8299
Travel 170
Rear Shock RockShox Super Deluxe Ultimate Coil
Fork RockShox ZEB Ultimate 170mm
Headset Industry Nine ZS44/ZS56
Cassette X0 Eagle Transmission
Crankarms X0 Eagle 170mm
Bottom Bracket SRAM DUB BSA 73mm
Rear Derailleur X0 Eagle Transmission
Chain X0 Eagle Transmission Flattop Chain
Shifter Pods SRAM AXS Pod Ultimate Controller
Handlebar We Are One Da Bar 20mm
Stem We Are One Da Stem 45mm
Grips ODI SDG Lock-On
Brakes SRAM Code Ultimate Stealth, w/ 200mm F, 180mm R rotors
Wheelset We Are One Convergence Triad 30mm
Seat SDG Bel Air 2.0
Seatpost RockShox Reverb AXS 170mm

We Are One Arrival 170. Photos Max Barron
SRAM's T-type derailleur bolts straight to the UDH mount.

We Are One Arrival 170. Photos Max Barron
Da Bar and Da Stem combine to make Da Package. The Arrival came with a 20mm rise bar and 45mm length stem, but I favored a shorter, higher setup.





Test Bike Setup

Since their launch, there have been some critical misunderstandings surrounding how to set the sag on the Arrival. The 130 and 170 are designed to ride at a typical 30% sag, whereas the 152 travel version rides at a lower 23-25% sag. Two triangles, three rear travel figures, various shock strokes - I can see how confusion could develop, however, We Are One has a detailed shock setup guide on their website. Adding sag gradients to the rocker links might have eliminated that issue.

A 475 lb spring was supplied with the bike, which was much too firm. I settled on a 425 spring, which after one turn of preload on the coil spring sat perfectly at the suggested 30% sag number.

The shock tuning guide mentioned above also includes damper settings, which is always a welcomed starting point. Specifically, they suggest the rebound, high and low-speed compression be placed in the middle positions, while the hydraulic bottom-out should be 75% of the way closed. I didn’t stray far from there throughout testing.

To counteract the slight change in dynamic position that the 27.5” wheel seemed to inflict, I added a half turn of preload, plus an extra click of LSC, depending on the grade of the trail.
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Matt Beer
Location: Squamish, BC, Canada
Age: 36
Height: 5'10" / 178 cm
Weight: 170 lb / 78 kg
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For the fork, I’d bounce between 83-86 pai in the 170mm ZEB with the compression clickers nearly in the middle. The HSC was turned one more click open and the LSC one more closed (from their middle position) - rebound would vary with spring rate and trail type, but ten clicks from closed was the norm.

I mentioned the low 20mm-rise bars and opted for a 35mm rise Da Bar. Shortly after, I swapped out the 45mm long stem for a 35mm as I found the steering swung more intuitively for my taste.

Next, I switched the front tire for the MaxxGrip compound of the Maxxis Assegai and installed a Schwalbe Big Betty rear tire with the Soft compound, Super Gravity, since the 27.5" rear wheel supplied for the test didn't include any rubber. Stiffer wheels and more supportive downhill casing tires found their way onto the Arrival to cross-compare along the way too.

Lastly, the 180mm rear rotor was replaced for a 200 to dissipate heat more effectively.

We Are One Arrival 170. Photos Max Barron
You could easily be fooled that this Arrival has 170mm of rear wheel travel because it climbs exceptionally well, providing gobs of grip and pedalling efficiency.

Climbing


Let’s get straight to the point, the Arrival 170 is hands down the best climbing long-travel bike I’ve ridden yet. Honestly, I could be fooled on the uphills if you told me it only had 150mm travel. Given that I’ve ridden the 152mm travel version of this bike, is it any better at climbing?

I’d be inclined to say yes. There’s less BB drop, so you gain some crank clearance, the chainstays are longer for more balance, and the increased travel makes for unrivalled traction. Furthermore, the support doesn’t melt away when you hammer down on the pedals.

Spinning up is equally as pleasant thanks to the comfortable seat tube angle that’s neither too relaxed nor too steep. In fact, the Arrival came with me on multiple backcountry days where I’d normally grab a 120mm bike. Its efficiency made me question, why not have the safety of more travel on these types of rides when you’re absolutely bagged by the time you get to the downhill segments?

On those transitions, though, I was drawn back to the dropper post constraints. I’d love an extra 10mm of drop from the Reverb AXS and jostled with the perfect height. On long or heinously steep climbs, I’d need that extra bump up. Conversely, I’d have to lower it back down for descending.

We Are One Arrival 170. Photos Max Barron
The Arrival 170 is cut out for enduro racing. It's plenty capable downhill, but isn't as single-minded towards descending as other long-travel bikes that can be cumbersome in flatter terrain.

Descending


By the time you read this, we will have wrapped up the 2023 Enduro Bike Field Test where the Arrival 170 would have gone toe to toe against similarly matched machines. In that test, there was a clear differentiation between enduro “race bikes” and others that we’d never want to put against the clock, yet still felt confident descending on.

Where would the Arrival 170 slot in? After spending a good chunk of the late summer on the stealthy bike, I can confidently say that it’s best suited to enduro racing, and less freeride smashing.

Sure, the travel, angles, and sturdiness are there, but it requires a little more poise and control at high speeds and in steeper zones. A bit of that comes down to the suspension. The light action tracks and carries speed across stutter bumps incredibly well, however, the early progression requires a strong rider to time compressions precisely on steep, chunky trails. On occasion, I’d experience an unexpected “spike” as if I’d bottomed out, particularly when on the brakes.

I bet with a tiny bit more BB drop, the high-speed stability would become more predictable. The sense of standing “on the bike”, as opposed to “in the bike”, comes back around. It doesn’t always appear to settle in.

Basically, the Arrival will do the work but you can’t casually hang on - you have to work for it. There’s a trend amongst the We Are One’s bikes because we hinted at similar findings on the 152.

Switching between 27.5 and 29” rear wheel sizes presented a phenomenon that I’ve noticed with other bikes that are convertible, like the Giant Reign. In the MX setup, the bike rode lower and slacker, although on paper, the geometry is preserved. The sensation is backed by the fact that the position of the handlebar appeared to be rolled further back than before.

The 447mm chainstay made the most sense with the smaller wheel too, finding a balance of sportiness and cornering stability. Either way and as expected, I could ride more aggressively with the smaller wheel behind me.

Given the flip-flopping back and forth between wheel sizes and throwing other shocks on there, I was highly impressed with the craftsmanship of the frame - creaks and groans from re-mounted hardware were never a worry. Aside from the foam tubing slipping slightly and leading to a minor cable rattle, the Arrival 170 is incredibly quiet all around.


We Are One Arrival 170. Photos Max Barron
We Are One Convergence Triad 30mm internal width rims are said to be 33% stronger and 18% more damped than their previous generations of carbon hoops. No complaints here.


Technical Report

We Are One Convergence Rims: We often hear about riders favoring aluminum wheels over carbon for their compliance. The Convergence rims are the third-generation of carbon hoops that We Are One has manufactured. Their unique shape allows the nipple to optimally align with the angle at which the spoke enters the hubs. 28 spokes are used up front and 32 out back, regardless of the rear wheel size. They were anything but harsh and stood up impeccably, barely needing the turn of a spoke key.

SRAM X0 Transmission: All of our tech editors are well-versed on the Transmission drivetrains by now and agree that the shifting is SRAM’s best work yet. However, I’ve had to re-position and re-torque the direct mount T-type derailleur more than once. This component requires a high torque to hold it in place; 35Nm to be exact. An extra tug on the torque wrench was needed for it to stay put.

RockShox Super Deluxe Coil: RockShox has come a long way with their new generation of shocks, winning the 2022 Pinkbike Suspension Product of the Year award with the Super Deluxe Coil. Dollar for dollar, the features built into the shock, such as the hydraulic bottom-out, are unrivaled. This tune in particular brings outstanding suppleness and control to the Arrival.


Which Model is the Best Value?

If you’re looking at a We Are One Arrival, you probably didn’t stumble across it by mistake and were already aware of the high cost, but this isn’t one of umpteen thousand catalogue carbon frames pumped out of a factory overseas. The dollar figure is high, but so too is the component level and frame quality - those are hard to beat.

Adding to its value is how adaptable the Arrival can be. The two triangles serve as a multi-bike platform (as discussed in the Frame Details section above) - the 170 can even tout a 190mm dual crown fork. Similarly, the 152 accepts up to a 170mm fork. Between the link kits and rear wheel changes, there are a ton of options.

This complete Arrival 170 SRAM X0 AXS Transmission build that I tested has sold out, but a GX AXS kit rings in at $7,599 CND / $5,919 USD.

If you back up a bit and strip it down to the frame, an Arrival 170 frameset checks out at $5,499 CAD / $4,299 USD with the Super Deluxe Coil shock. That’s basically the same price as a Santa Cruz Nomad, without a shock. Factor in that the Arrival is made in North America and the value is impressive, if you’re looking at premium bikes.

According to We Are One, they’ll continue to build limited edition runs of Arrival UDH MX frames.

We Are One Arrival 170. Photos Max Barron
We Are One Arrival 170 UDH MX
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Santa Cruz Nomad

How Does It Compare?

During Shock Week, I spent plenty of time riding the Whistler bike park on the Nomad. Santa Cruz’s long-travel mixed-wheeled bike has what I’d consider near-perfect geometry that’s worthy of freeride antics, yet still excels as an enduro race bike.

At a later date, I took the Arrival in the park as well. Sailing over jump trails, I never felt as surefooted. You have to ride the Arrival with more focus, whereas on the Nomad, you can get away with pointing it in the right direction and holding on.

Numbers-wise, the head angle, reach, and wheelbases are virtually identical to the Arrival 170. The major difference comes from the BB drop and stack height. 10mm doesn’t sound like a lot but it does bring a secure nature to the Nomad when pointed downhill.

For 170mm travel bikes, they’re both alive at low speed, however, the Arrival wins out when it comes to generating speed by pumping through the trail and its astute climbing abilities.

As for the technical features of these bikes, each frame has a few aces up its sleeve. The Nomad offers in-frame storage. On the Arrival, there aren’t even accessory mounts under the top tube. Tools and such are left to be strapped to the outside of the frame.

Then there are the flip-chips. Like most Santa Cruz bikes, the Nomad has a small adjustment to tweak the angles and BB height minutely on the lower link. Over on the Arrival, the toggling seatstay pivot restores the fixed geometry when switching between rear wheel sizes.

As for the frame quality and workmanship, both brands build sturdy, durable bikes with lifetime warranties.




We Are One Arrival 170. Photos Max Barron
Up, down, all around - it's hard to find a more versatile 170mm travel bike. Yes we love it, but a couple small quirks do exist.


Pros

+ Frame craftsmanship is on par with (or above) premium brands
+ Light on its feet for a 170mm-travel bike
+ Small bump sensitivity equates to impressive traction up and downhill
+ Incredibly versatile across a variety of terrain making it a killer enduro race bike

Cons

- Requires more focus to descend steep, rough tracks compared to other “smashy” enduro bikes
- Suspension can firm up unexpectedly when deeper in the travel
- Three frame sizes limit riders at either end of the height spectrum




Pinkbike's Take

bigquotesSomeone recently asked me, "Are there any bikes you actually like?", possibly poking fun at my highly-critical nature. Of course those exist. It's impossible to create a bike that perfectly suits all aspects of riding, but if you're looking for a long-travel bike that has nearly all corners covered, the Arrival 170 is one of my top picks. 
Matt Beer






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291 Comments
  • 137 11
 Looks great, adjustable travel and wheel sizes, rides well, and made in Canada w/ lifetime warranty. It's expensive but it's not really THAT expensive when compared to other brands. This bike could seriously be a buy once, buy the linkage kits, and ride it for 10 years type of bike.
  • 21 171
flag wyorider (Nov 13, 2023 at 9:20) (Below Threshold)
 If it fits. Only 3 sizes is inexcusable on a bike this expensive!!
  • 45 0
 The 152 frame set with a lyric is on sale for $3400 right now too, my credit card is sweating in my pocket
  • 23 5
 @wyorider: you’ll fit
  • 9 7
 @wyorider: I think that only 3 sizes is part of the reason it's so affordable.

The median wage in BC is about $35/hr.
  • 9 71
flag wyorider (Nov 13, 2023 at 9:57) (Below Threshold)
 @scantronnn: Actually at 178cm, I like my reach between 455 and 465. That's a VERY average number for most brands. So could I ride one? Sure. Would it fit optimally? Nope!!!!!
  • 38 2
 I bought the 2021 Arrival 152. Absolutely love it. Matt's review of the bike in that year's pinkbike video series is what sold me. And I have repeatedly told people I will ride this bike for 10years, I don't need more travel, IT WOULD NOT CLIMB ANY BETTER ...blah blah blah.

And now the esteemed Mr Beer had to go and write this review. Matt, you son of a bitch, you may have just made me liar.

PS Any one want to buy an Arrival 152 2021. We are one's best enduro climber, I promise Wink .
  • 16 0
 @goffboy: can’t you just buy the 170mm links?
  • 3 0
 @wyorider: have you factored in that the head tube length is only 100mm?

If I roughly compare it against a bike w/ the same geo, except for a 465mm reach and 115mm head tube, the "effective" reach is similar to the Large Arrival reach.
  • 27 0
 @wyorider: Looks like you’re out of luck, dude. What can we say? Sometimes life is not fair.
  • 6 19
flag nickfranko (Nov 13, 2023 at 12:15) (Below Threshold)
 What are you talking about? It costs as much as an entire Specialized Enduro, which also has a lifetime warranty.
  • 18 7
 When did Specialized become known for their warranty? I thought their reputation was for not honoring those…. and lawsuits
  • 4 0
 5500 for a frame.
  • 12 0
 @wyorider: no matter how many sizes a bike brand offers, my optimal reach(the only thing preventing me from riding like Matt Beer) is always between sizes. Something something bike industry
  • 1 0
 @loosegoat: tell me about that
  • 3 1
 @nickfranko: made over in Taiwan*
  • 5 0
 @goffboy: you don’t need the 170, the 152 is incredible. I have both linkages, and afterwards I went back to the 152. Then I managed to get my hands on a coil, and now my 152 is the best it’s ever been.
  • 4 0
 @goffboy: having also had the 152 and now having moved on to the 170 I can confirm it climbs very well, surprisingly so. There’s really very little noticeable difference on the way up at all.
  • 6 16
flag p1nkbike (Nov 13, 2023 at 18:03) (Below Threshold)
 idk i paid the same price as their top build (8500USD) for a brand new Relay PNW: 170mm, fox factory, dhx factory, TRP DH EVO brakes, XO SRAM transmission - but.. it also has a motor Wink (and worse wheels, but thats about it)
  • 2 1
 @madmon: 5500 what? The frame price is $3899, same as Santa cruz, ibis, transition...
  • 5 0
 @aphollis: 5500CDN
  • 4 2
 A carbon buy once bike?..... Sounds like triggers broom to me
  • 2 7
flag adam3419 (Nov 13, 2023 at 21:48) (Below Threshold)
 @madmon: yeah they can’t afford eggs but 5k for a frame. Nah just nah F that
  • 2 7
flag adam3419 (Nov 13, 2023 at 21:49) (Below Threshold)
 Suck this
  • 1 10
flag adam3419 (Nov 13, 2023 at 21:50) (Below Threshold)
 @goffboy: f*ck it. 5 k f. Off
  • 4 1
 @wyorider: get the 475, higher riser bar, shorter stem, taller stack, done you’ve got your 465mm reach, stop crying and think more
  • 1 0
 @wyorider: Personal preference, buddy. I'm the same height as you and ride a 161 with a 490mm reach.
Most bikes I know and am therefore interested in won't reach your preferences. If they do, they are the smallest frame.
  • 4 0
 Doesn't matter how well the frame is made when it doesn't fit you. Short-ish reach and ridiculously tiny stack is an instant disqualification in my books.
  • 2 0
 @Muscovir: You think the reach is short? I know they don’t have a small frame or an XXL, and those people are out of luck. But looking at the medium and the large, the reach is 447 and 472. So many bikes I’ve been looking at lately are all in the neighborhood of 450 for medium and 475 for large (+/- 5mm). Being American and all, I’m no expert in the metric system, but 3mm shorter than that won’t make that much of a difference. Hell, your spine compresses more than that each day. The reach is definitely in the right neighborhood compared to everyone else—for large and medium, anyway. I don’t pay much attention to XL.
  • 8 1
 Anyone else been seeing this wyorider a lot and think, damn this guy is super annoying and unreasonable
  • 1 1
 @Seebema: Hence the downvotes to oblivion.
  • 1 0
 @austenselk: Noted. Thanks. And I was being mostly sarcastic. Article induced FOMO. I love my 152 arrival.
  • 2 0
 @TheR: The reach for a size L doesn't appear short if you look at it in isolation, yes. But because the reach is so short in combination with such a tiny stack height, your hands and feet will end up a lot closer together than they probably should be. Resulting in a bike that feels quite small for its on-paper size.
  • 42 5
 170mm post seems like another case of "spend 8k and immediately replace the dropper"
  • 75 14
 That's the nature of any sram outfitted bike right now. Between the brakes and their too short dropper, I won't buy a sram kitted bike right now.
A one up 210mm and a set of hayes or trp evo brakes is what any "premium" kitted bike deserves.
  • 15 0
 The real problem - and the only blemish I can find on an otherwise stellar looking bike - is the short seatpost insertion paired with a slightly longer seat tube. Interesting that they don't show either on the geo chart, almost like they know they are lacking. At 230/40mm for sz1/2 anyone with a short inseam is not running anything longer than 150mm, which is too short these days.
  • 4 0
 @Nathan23: Is there any top-end built that gets specced with Hayes? Asking because that's all I use now - not that I'm buying a new bike anytime soon but just wondering...
  • 2 0
 @Jvhowube: the Nukeproof Giga in the field test had Hayes
  • 9 4
 So new high end bike and they wan to change the dropper, tyres and rotors. For another non Canadian brand that would be enough to get the bike slated
  • 2 0
 @Zaeius: the max insertion is in the FAQ, and it's currently listed as 250-270mm depending on size. But I can't find seat tube length.

@WeAreOne can you clarify the seat tube lengths?
  • 5 1
 And looking at the kink in the seat tube, I don’t envy the job of replacing the AXS dropper with a cable-actuated one.
  • 2 0
 @jdejace: Go look again. S1 - 230mm. S2 - 240mm. S3 - 250mm. I asked WAO for their seat tube lengths and they gave me the following: S1 - 430mm. S2 - 440mm (article says 445mm). Based on the insertion number one could deduce a 450mm seat tube length on the S3.
  • 1 0
 @Zaeius: I'm looking here in the FAQ

www.weareonecomposites.com/en-us/products/arrival-170

Is there a different place for the MX? It's the same front triangle so I'd be surprised if there were a difference.
  • 7 3
 @Zaeius: So your basic 200mm+ dropper isn't going to sink to the collar with that insertion limiting seat tube. At 445 or 450mm you'll effectively have to add 50mm to your seat tube measurement. That puts a large frame at a 300mm seat tube. The fact that you have to hunt for this is telling. They know it's an issue and would rather you find out after you spend the $4000 for a frame and have to run a short post. If a large frame doesn't have somewhere close to 300mm of insertion, it better have a seat tube that makes up the difference. So 250mm of insertion, should be a 410mm seat tube length. Weird how this was danced around in the article, like they were trying to avoid calling it out. I've been in the position where I bought a frame and figured it out the hard way, running a shorter post that either had to be positioned too high or not high enough due to these constraints, I try to make sure not to repeat that when looking at potential new bikes.
  • 4 2
 Unless, of course, 170 works out just fine for you. So I’m covered. Sorry for the rest of you!
  • 1 0
 @jdejace: Weird. I am getting my info from an email with WAO and also listed here: www.weareonecomposites.com/pages/faq

AFAIK it is the same front triangle for all of their bikes so Im not sure how they get a 20mm difference unless there was a running change to free up more space?

@WeAreOne - can you please explain the discrepancy between insertion depth and let us know which is correct?
  • 2 0
 im so over the extreme dropper demands. Last time I bought one there was only a 150mm choice 5 years ago and I bought 3. No rules no problem
  • 7 2
 A 200mm one up will cost you a fraction of what you sell the AXS for, work better and be more reliable. It’s almost a feature!
  • 7 4
 @Zaeius: my issues:

-Brake line routing under the bb. I’ve had lines sheared from rocks, plenty of friends have as well.
-Non guided internal routing. On a bike this pricey it should be.
-Interrupted and long seat tube limits dropper insertion for us #shortkings.

I want to love this bike, i just couldn’t buy it on those reasons no matter how well it rides unfortunately.
  • 3 0
 @dirtnapped: i didnt even see the brakeline until you mentioned it! That is a huge loop under the bb. Wow. I would love to buy one but would need some changes before id consider it. I love their story, the wheels are great, the bike looks amazing, now just come up with gen 2 and fix all the things that need to be improved.
  • 5 1
 @Caddz: I've been on this bike for a while, and the brake line on bottom is a non issue. I have since changed to Dominion A4s, probably my biggest gripe on brakes was just personal preference.
  • 1 0
 @Jvhowube: Good question. I've seen a lot more bikes with Shimano brakes and Sram drivetrain than any alternative brakes. Beyond Sram and shimano, TRP seems the most frequenty of the bikes I look at, with Magura second then low end garbage before Hayes or Formula shows up.

Everyone I know that rides Cura swears by them, have yet to see then on a stock build. Bike came with Guide, G2 or DB8? Cura 2 piston swap immediately.
  • 2 2
 @Hayek: Easy job as there is an access port on the down tube/ bottom bracket area.
  • 4 5
 @heinous: cough cough, bullstuff on the works better! Got both and I don't miss the extra 40 mm of the OneUp when I am riding any of my AXS Reverbs due to the better actuation and crisper return.
  • 5 0
 @andrewbikeguide: if you’re not missing 40mm of drop in a 170mm bike ,ridden in it’s intended terrain, you’re both lucky and in the minority.
  • 2 0
 @Hayek: it’s surprisingly straight forward, I’ve done 3 installs on Arrivals and if your process is good it’s straight forward.
  • 2 3
 @heinous: Or I remember riding a 150 mm travel bike with a 120 mm dropper and know how lucky we are to have awesome reliable 150 mm + droppers these days.
I am not saying I wouldn't swap to a 200 mm AXS Reverb, should Rockshox release one, but the dropper difference doesn't stop me riding anything that my brain isn't already already yelling "WTF" at me anyway.
The price difference I have to totally agree with but if I wasn't running an AXS Reverb I would be using a 9point8 Fall line due to low pressure and ease of home rebuild (in addition to reliability, performance and cold weather performance).
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 @Caddz: no. I can drop my 210mm oneup all the way down in my L frame.
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 @s100: Then something is off, the dimension from the collar the end of the actuator is 297mm, the actuator is 15mm, so the post inserted to get to the collar is 282mm. If you can sink it to the collar, wouldn't the max insertion be >282mm if not >297mm?

I guess at the end of the day, being such a critical parameter for a lot of buyers, I'm not sure why it has to be a mystery. Not something I'd want to be figuring out after the fact either way.
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 @Caddz: I think the tricky part is not all the insertion limits are a "hard stop." It could be where a 31.6mm cylinder will no longer pass, but if it's just a slow kink in the tube or something like that an actuator may be able to pass. The actuators are different shapes, lengths, some rotate, just makes for a lot of variables. I suspect that's why you're seeing a lot of conservative numbers.

The dropper insertion is one of a handful of numbers that I frame shop based on so I share your frustration. If you don't have someone to tell you "I can slam this dropper to the collar on this size frame" it's best to just err on the side of caution.
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 My XL seat tube measures 450mm from the center of the BB to the top of the seat collar and my insertion is 270mm. You could then subtract 10mm from both dimensions for all smaller sizes based on the fact the max insertion depth in the FAQ is 10mm per size.
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  • 28 0
 Also NSMB kind of likes this bike a little
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 Great reviews on both sites, and interestingly both find the 152 kinda unconventional.

Shoutout to NSMB bringing the 'hidden menu' Arrival 140 to the attention of the masses, ie 130 configuration with the shock stroke of the 152, and a bigger fork (up to 160mm). There's been quite some positive reviews from users, this is another solid option for this already incredibly versatile bike.
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 And they also concur that this is a bike that needs to be ridden fast and with ample force. Its not ideal for beginner or even intermediate riders. Fit racers might love it, though.
  • 4 0
 Weirdly enduro-mtb weren't so keen if you read between the lines of their review. They also said the opposite of this review in terms of mid-stroke support, which they said was lacking. Same shock as well - who should we believe?
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 @bash80: I’m on a 170 and echo Matt’s assessment. It’s supportive and a great climber but not exactly plush. Both opposites of the Enduro-mtb review.
That review has seen some discussion on the WAO Facebook page as it doesn’t quite align with our experiences.
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flag wyorider (Nov 13, 2023 at 9:22) (Below Threshold)
 @Ttimer: Fit racers who only fit one of 3 sizes......
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 @samsonr: Yeah I'm pretty confident that spring rate was incorrect for the reviewer.
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 @bash80: I'll take NSMB's thorough and borderline obsessive takes and Matt's riding chops over enduro any day.
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 @bash80: probably because they didn’t have the home made rose tinited glasses on
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 @samsonr:

This is an analysis done from an image grab and plotting the pivot points, so accuracy is lacking, but Andre at Linkage Blogspot shares what the rate curve for the WR1 Arrival 152 looks like: linkagedesign.blogspot.com/2022/03/we-are-one-arrival-2022.html

The 170 can't deviate too much from this as the FT pivots can't move locations so the curve shape is likely similar. The sensitivity at the start can be explained by the low starting rate. The increased and reportedly firm mid-stroke support comes from the fact that progression rises sharply to the sag point and in the active travel zone, say from 20-70% travel. This is consistent with comments of not being able to sit in the travel as much. Rate curves that rise sharply and then fall off on longer travel bikes tend to contribute to the feeling of "too much support".

The 27.5 rear wheel swap likely has some small geo effects but more so the rate curve gets translated to a less supportive, more linear shape.

Again, take all this with a grain of salt because WR1 hasn't provided any accurate kinematics for proper analysis. Also lots of other small effects on the suspension characterization and dissection can be discussed but that's too much to write about here and kind of pointless without any actual data.
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 @kperras: ideally it wouldn't be up to brands to provide kinematics. The program that blogger uses is not exclusive, it's available with a professional license for a nominal fee. Or if you are curious and want to play, a personal copy is only $25

www.bikechecker.com

It should be tech editors/reviewers providing this information, then they could standardize the output ie a certain reach range, the same cogs for antisquat and pedal kickback, the same estimated CoG. There are many variables and when left to the brands they give a bunch of stuff that can't be directly compared.

This would be a really nice way for a bicycle review website to distinguish itself.
  • 2 0
 @samsonr: I’d agree with that. I came from a Firebird that snapped almost immediately. The Arrival isn’t quite as plush, it ramps more in the mid stroke. It also steers better, especially on off camber turns, and it’s much quieter.
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 @heinous: what makes a bike steer better?
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 @Dogl0rd: fork offset, shorter stem
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 @valrock: it's the rider not the bike. Wait no it's the bike...no
... It's the accessories not the bike
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 @samsonr: I find mine pretty plush. Still building my 140 so cannot compare it yet. Haven't ridden the 152 (been told one has to be "on it" to get the best out of it) as I always like a 'big' bike for Sea to Sky riding and the extra safety blanket and a shorter travel bike for guiding.
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 @Dogl0rd: A stem that matches the trail of the fork, proper rise and bar sweep for the height and the style of the rider, proper bar width for the height and arm length of the rider (narrower than most "wanna be like Minaar" riders think), proper fork set up and proper tyre pressures. Good body position and good technique.
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 @Dogl0rd: I had exactly the same components (except bar and stem, although still same dimensions) and set up. The main difference I felt was that the Pivot front triangle felt like it twisted a bit, whereas the Arrival front triangle feels more direct. Turning in to off camber turns, especially downhill, the Arrival was noticeably quicker.
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 @heinous: cool I couldn't remember what was better in off camber, flexy or stiff. Honestly I don't think I'm good enough to notice the difference
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 @Dogl0rd: I kept hearing this statement, not a bike but a rider. Well, I got myself the first carbon bike this year with a very nice climbing-oriented suspension... and yeah... it's a bike not a rider Big Grin
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 super boost is 'smart' when it's not on a pivot. good to know!
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 How I read it is that chain lines are too far outboard to be efficient in the lower gears where the rider is likely struggling the most.

Combining existing standards (supperboost hub, boost BB/crankset) gets around this oversight and improves the chain line where it matters to more people
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flag MP-mtb (Nov 13, 2023 at 9:08) (Below Threshold)
 I stopped reading at that. Don't care how well it rides, won't even consider it.
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 @pmhobson: That's how I take it as well. He was pretty clear that they combined 157 rear with the more narrow crankset to create better chain lines.

No one wants a new standard. But if I am going to accept one, it is when I am buying a new bike. And there is little argument to be made that Super Boost does offer some material benefits.
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 @pmhobson: You can run non boost cranks on boost frame for same effect and it works like a charm.
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 @MP-mtb: So, for the sake of argument, let's say that the Arrival is a 10/10 performer. Universal praise from all reviewers. Climbs like a 120mm bike, descends like a DH bike, geo is perfect, and it comes in at 32 lbs. Pricing is reasonable for such a high end bike (I am not saying this is the case - its just a hypothetical.)

You would throw this bike off your list because it means a new rear hub for your wheelset?
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 @malca: check chainstay / chainring clearance first
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 @KJP1230: and @mattbeer - what is the chainline? guessing 55mm based on comments but not sure.
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 @DaveRobinson81: Likely yes as that's what most boost cranksets are at nowadays. This would be equivalent to running a boost wheelset with a 51.5 mm chainline. I'm really happy about this as I haven't had good luck with modern chainlines - my girlfriend's bike (fuel ex 5) drops the chain when pedaling forward in 1st gear without a chainguide...
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 @alienator064: 'Superboost' should be 56-57 and you can get chainrings/cranksets for this even with 73mmBB. Personally I would prefer to see a 83mmwide BB shell - get the bearings as far outboard as possible.
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 @DaveRobinson81: Yep. I have a switchblade with a superboost rear and 56.5 mm chainline. Works great and q-factor is not noticeable. Tire clearance is huge, and no heel rub issues. 157 is clearly the superior standard over 148, and even existed before 148(!!!), but here we are nevertheless.
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 It's not that it is "on a Pivot" more that it is not on a chainstay length of 435 mm especially on size Large and XL frames.
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 Nah, still annoying and a deal-breaker Big Grin
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 @KJP1230: I have 0 157mm wheelsets, but have a number of148 boost wheels, so yes sticking by my opinion. Pivot has also been unilaterally ruled out as a brand for the same reason, plus to a lesser extent PF BB. I don't need more hassles for 'theoretical' improvements.
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 @DaveRobinson81: Yes - 55mm chainline, 168 Q-factor.
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 @mattbeer: Thanks! If anything, a touch 'narrow' for superboost, but makes a hell of a lot more sense than 55mm chainline on boost... cheers
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 @MP-mtb: you know that it’s not at all a big deal do replace the rear hub on your favourite wheel. We’re talking about a premium level toy where they’ve clearly explained the performance benefit of the superboost/boost setup and you’re closed to the idea because it requires a different hub. That’s like saying I would love a gt3 rs and the money isn’t a problem, but a 335 rear tire is stupid, I already have a set of 315’s mounted on wheels that fit my other car.
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 @idontknowwhatiexpected: I tend to agree. If a bike is good enough, I'll happily eat $150-300 for a new hub.

Then again, I don't change wheel sets..ever. I build one up for the given bike, and I absolutely stay on top of truing, tensioning and changing rims when things get beat up. I can see that if you have multiple wheelsets, and you want to swap them around regularly, it would be a pain to buy/build multiple new hubs.
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 @idontknowwhatiexpected: Maybe they did explain a clear performance benefit, but I don't believe that to be the case, otherwise would have actually taken off years ago when it was introduced. Regardless I certainly didn't read about it b/c it's a deal-breaker for me, but you do you. Sure you can replace the hub, but that's another $500ish (quality hub, spokes, wheel build cost) on top of an expensive frame in a market full of really really good bicycles mean you don't need to make compromises with proprietary parts.

Porsche doesn't sell just frame+bodies to my knowledge, which I imagine many are looking for in frames like this.
  • 18 2
 This bike is super compelling - but the lack of frame sizing makes it a challenge. At 6'2", I've really settled into frames with 480-490mm reach, with the ideal spot being about 485. The decision between 472 and 497 make this a real stretch (pun intended).

If its good enough, one could find a way. The stack is a bit low, so you could always use a very short stem + spacers under the bar + a bit of bar roll to make the 497 work. But the sizing jump will leave some folks with some compromises.
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 I'll immediately add some positives to my own comment Smile

The price for this build, especially from a true boutique provider, is great. $8.3k for this build kit is downright cheap compared to other brands that manufacture offshores - premium wheels, frame, drivetrain, suspension, and general kit.

The aesthetics are awesome. Minimal branding, letting the futuristic "stealth fighter jet" angles speak for themselves!

Coming in at 32.2 lbs. with a coil shock is superb for a 170/170 bike - especially when combined with the climbing abilities described above said a coil (!)

If they offered the reach numbers I need, this would be a no brainer at the top of my list for possible next bikes.
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 It has low stack so running a fuckload of spacers would shorten the reach. Or short stem with high rise bar to achieve the same grip position.
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flag wyorider (Nov 13, 2023 at 9:22) (Below Threshold)
 Yeah-I'd also be between sizes. On a bike this expensive that's a serious oversight. I suspect an Atherton would do all the things this one does AND you could specify reach (beyond several stock options) if you wanted a true boutique whip.
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 @malca: That's why I said what I said. Run more spacers to effectively shorten reach. Short stem.

I said all of that.
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 With the low stack it probably fits closer to a typical 485 mm reach 29er.
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 @wyorider: holy smokes dude. We get it, you are unique. Get different bars, different stem, some spacers or something and please shut up about the sizing.
  • 6 1
 @jaycubzz: yeah literally just change the stem or something. It's 1cm.
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flag wyorider (Nov 13, 2023 at 9:58) (Below Threshold)
 @jaycubzz: I'm NOT unique. 455-465 reach is one of the two most common sizes in any brand's range.
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 @wyorider: sure, I'm also 6'2", but stem and bar adjustments exist for this sole purpose. If a large was 470 and an XL was like 510, then yeah 2cm would be a pretty significant change to get to the middle. Clearly the bike works. A 10mm change in stem, stack, and bar setup is going to be practically the same.
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 Personally, I see being in between sizes as a testament to how versatile I am
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 Every 10mm of stem spacers reduces your effective reach by ~4mm.

Given that the XL Arrivals stack height is 10-20mm lower than most other bikes, you're dang close to your ideal reach number. I'm 6'1" barefoot, and the XL is definitely the one I'd be looking at from a sizing perspective.

Personally, more noteworthy than reach, is the stack height, which seems low for an XL size. I keep a giant list of bikes geo around, and I just did a check for kicks.

Out of 53 bikes in the list (yes, I'm a huge nerd), here are some of the more interesting comparisons in terms of stack height: Spoiler, none were shorter, even the downcountry bikes.

Ibis Ripley AF: 631mm
Transition Spur XL: 632mm
Rocky Mountain Element XL: 633mm
YT Izzo: 635mm
Transition Spire: 637mm
Specialized Enduro: 638mm
Ibis Ripmo: 642mm
Rocky Mountain Altitude: 652
Santa Cruz Megatower: 658mm
Raaw Madonna V3: 677mm

Average (of the full list, not just the selection above): 644mm

The Arrivals stack height is 17mm less than the average XL, and a full 50mm shorter than the Raaw Madonna V3 XL.

Something to think about for the taller folks at least (most taller guys I know have a fair number of stem spacers, and ~30mm riser bars or so at least).
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 @ocnlogan: also something to think about in terms of climbing performance
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 @wyorider: dude. Stop being such a princess. A stumpjumper evo in neutral settings goes from 450mm (S3) to >470mm (S4) reach. You think you're so special that you can't fit on big S's flagship, arguably the most mass market high end mtb made!?
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 @KJP1230 frame reach is different from effective reach.
What is your effective reach ie the distance from the centre of the seat post (on the saddle at full pedal height) to the centre of the handle bar at the stem?
This is the measurement that allows comparison for seated pedalling between frames/ models.
Mine is 73.5 cm as a 189 cm tall rider (6'2.5" in American).
So an XL Arrival 170 with a saddle height of 795 mm (from the centre of the crank - 170 mm) to the centre of a 45 mm reach Chromag Riza stem is 73.5 cm. For reference to the stack I am running 40 mm of spacers under a 38 mm stack stem and using a 45 mm rise SQ-Lab carbon bar.
Exactly the same distance as my XL Norco Sight with a 40 mm 9point8 stem thanks to the slightly slacker STA. Obviously only running 20 mm of spacers under the stem due to the longer head tube (120 mm).

And being centred when standing is a function of front centre to rear centre balance and proper set up.

I 'test' rode a Large Arrival (around a driveway as I knew it was going to be too cramped immediately) and there was no way I was going to enjoy pedalling it.

Do I think that the Arrival is perfect? No but I am a picky bastard. It is also my job to look at how things could be better on bikes and components.

1. It should come with plugs for the cable/ hose ports that an AXS user is not going to need. Apparently RC Li-Polymer safety plugs are the perfect fit but it would be easier for WAO to buy a bulk order of them from some RC supplier and then provide a handful with each frame than it is for me to find an RC Supply shop that actually stocks them.
2. The rear brake hose should never run under the bottom bracket but it hasn't been an issue in 800 km of fairly debris intensive riding.
3. The bottom bracket hatch should also come in an AXS version so I don't have to ghetto 3M 2228 tape to close the RD cable port I am never going to use. That said the BB is enclosed in a carbon tube so water ingress from the hatch cover or frame is not going to be an issue.
4. The XL frame (and possibly the Large) should have the 200 mm brake adaptor as standard or 'on order' option but I get that it is easier to add a PM +20/23 for most people than have to find a 180 mm adaptor if one is more slightly built. As Matt indicated there is some science to running the same size rear rotor for better heat dissipation as even the best brakers tend to drag the rear brake a little.
5. The top tube could be 20 mm higher and the standover would still be amazing but it would allow for a 120 mm head tube on the XL, which would mean better steerer support, and a more useful amount of room inside the front triangle for the water bottle and an accessory mount (it is really tight for a standard bottle) for the emergency pouch.

Am I going to swap it for anything else? Heck no. It is the best riding frame/ bike I have ever had and it is awesome.
So good that I went and bought the Arrival 130 as my 'short' bike.
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 @wyorider: It's not that long ago that in the same production year, the largest pivot firebird ( fitting up to 6"3') had a 400 reach, and the mondraker foxy in smallest size had 458 reach. So two Enduro bikes with no overlap whatsoever in the full range of sizing. If you're curious, the year was 2015, the biggest foxy was 518 long. I think your expectations of having every bike brand doing the same thing is ultimately bad, and leads to stagnation in development. WR1 chose to reduce their cost by streamlining their offer and pass on the savings to buyers.
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 I'm 6ft 2 and have a 485 reach kenevo sl. Its too short so have a 510mm S5 on the way. 35mm stem and a few stem spacers plus I'm going to bump travel up 10mm to take reach back and it should be good to go.. You 100% should be looking at bikes with 495 reach and a 450 ish chainstay. XL Nukeproof giga fitted me perfectly.
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 @andrewbikeguide: how are you liking the 130? Hard to find much info on that and I've been interested in one.
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 @andrewbikeguide: I don't inherently agree that effective reach will be different than reach, aside from the influence of stack heigh and ultimate preferences for bar height/spacers (which effectively shorten actual handle position as they grow).

I've explained this elsewhere, but here goes: for the purposes of trail/enduro riding, I have an absolute pedaling position that I prefer (and paid to have analyzed by bike fitters). Assuming I am using the same crank arm length and pedals on each bike, this always puts my saddle position and hips in the exact same place relative to the BB. Therefore, reach is an indicator of how long a bike will feel when I am both seated and standing. For each 1mm that reach grows from the BB, that will be +1mm of effective reach since my saddle position is 100% related to BB position.
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 @KJP1230: It's a triangle and you're only using one side. Reach, stack and the seat angle (real and apparent) all change the dimensions. Don't blinker yourself to reach alone. If you've had a bike fit, map it out, then you can compare different models to make it all work for you (I did).
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 @FuTAnT: That's not true. Regardless of stack heigh, I know where I want my bars and I will use a combination of spacers, bar rise, bar roll to achieve my handle bar position. These same factors can also have incremental impact on true reach, as adding more spacers, rise and rear-ward bar roll will effectively shorten reach.

But STA does not affect anything, so long as I can use fore/aft movement on the saddle rails to get that saddle where it needs to be, which will ALWAYS be related to the bottom bracket. This is because, mechanically speaking, there is an optimal pedaling position for a given type of riding - and it does not change so long as crank length and pedals/shoes remain the same.

Therefore, reach is a perfect, 1-to-1 indicator (along with how reach will be impacted by spacers/bar rise as a function of stack) of length of bike feeling. Because I am always getting my saddle in the same spot relative to BB.
  • 18 4
 Funny observation here but the majority of negative comments are from yanks... it's an amazing bike for like 6400 US, what's the issue? And before WynonaRider jumps in here to say it, I get it dude, 3 sizes.
  • 4 0
 For a boutique brand, limited sizes are hardly worth criticizing. I'd rather have more small brands create truly awesome bikes and pick one that happens to fit my sizing needs, than buy a large brand bike that is offered in 7 sizes.
  • 16 4
 This bike is nothing but Awesome!!!

I own a (2024 SP1) with upgraded Push 11.6 coil shock & Trickstuff Maxima Brakes
- Nicest looking bike out there.. hands down
- It rides incredible in the bike park
- The craftsmanship and detail presented with the raw carbon weave is spectacular
- The company is awesome to deal with... Customer service is a 10
- The quality of all their products is top notch and are worth every dollar

Wishing WeAreOne HUGE success for years to come!
You deserve it!

Cheers
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 "with upgraded Push 11.6 coil shock & Trickstuff Maxima Brakes+ --> flexxxxxxxxx...!
jealous actually... is an incredible set up. What are you running out front?
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 @CDT77: Zeb Ultimate for now.. getting the new PUSH Nine.One inverted fork once I can get my hands on one. You can checkout my ride in my profile
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 @thetonester: yep. either that or the EXP fork would suit that bike. I've always run 11.6's.. but always on Evils. That Arrival is sick. I ran into the owner of WAO on my local (Cumberland BC) trails on the pre-production Arrival years ago. Looked good then too
  • 3 1
 Thetonester! Makin' copies! Tonerama! Tooooones!
  • 9 0
 These things are pretty amazing. I'm based in Brisbane, Australia, so they're rare as rocking horse poo. I built it up from a frame set rather than a complete bike. Arrival 152, Fox DHX2 shock, Fox 36 160mm fork and a Bikeyoke 218mm dropper on the S3 or XL size. I'm 6foot (183) and like riding the larger frame (every large frame I end up getting I always end up running out of leg / seat post extension on).

There's lots of hidden details that you wouldn't even notice if you purchase and don't built it up.
- The cleanliness and tolerances are amazing. Look inside the frame tubes and there's no messy resin, loose fibres or anything like that. It's super neat and tidy.
- The bolt tolerances are rather tight, so the point where when you insert / remove something you are taken aback at how nice it feels (geeky stuff).
- Whilst it uses 157 super boost, you need to check the frame details. The rear axle uses flush mount on both sides, so the recieving and insertion end don't go any wider than the frame
- The inbuilt protection and shock cover are great
- Routing the cables when building it is a stressful exercise and something I dare not wish to repeat, but I got there
- For those looking at reach numbers, look at seated reach numbers (you need CAD or similar to start comparing), and also think about bar ride, stem length etc. The obsession over a specific reach can be sorted through some set-up whilst seated (seat position etc) as well as standing (stem length and rise).
- The bike is super efficient when pedalling. I came off an Ibis Ripmo AF which is a very good pedalling bike, then demoed the Arrival 170, then bought the 152.
- It picks up speed. Put it through some corners and it feels like it wants to just push you out of them. It's amazing how it seems to just accelerate
- The cornering and handling through corners I've been really impressed with. Whilst previoulsy I sometimes tended to wash (I'll blame technique), this has much more confidence in the front end and tracking. Perhaps more neutral, allows me to move around more, but it's amazing.

I too wish We Are One all the best. It's a brilliant bike. I don't think you need to be a super hero to ride the thing by any means. It's fun and super poppy to ride. Drop the heels and have a hoot. It rips, super happy with the purchase.
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 With the downfall of GG, major brands pulling out of EWS, DHWC and retailers falling into admin, I think we also need a reality check on wether these smaller brands will be around in a year or so. Im routing for them, but spending up to 10K on a product that might be unsupported in 12 months is kind of worrying.
  • 24 0
 There was a podcast recently with Dustin Adams, which was refreshingly candid regarding some challenges they've faced and managed. They do small production runs with sensible pricing for the times that seem to sell well, which to me shows prudence and acumen. They seem to have adapted well, and my utterly unfounded layman take is that their rims and wheels sell really well and should by themselves keep the biz running. The podcast also mentions quite some projects in the works. Anyway, my opinion matters little but I have plenty of belief in the company. Oh, and addition fun titbit is that Dustin said that the Arrival is due for an update.
  • 15 0
 In we are ones case, it's pretty safe to assume they'll stay around for a while. They sell A LOT of wheels, and they can keep a closer eye on production and margins with production in house.
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flag KickFlipABike (Nov 13, 2023 at 9:09) (Below Threshold)
 Spending up to 10k on any bicycle, motorized or not, is just dumb.
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 @chaoscacca: probably also a reason they don't make really small or big frames. The payback for a new layup for few potential customers just isn't worth the expense.
  • 7 0
 Brands don't fail solely due to being small, small brands can ride out downturns and recessions if they are managed correctly, the issue is how they are managed and forecast for it.
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flag wyorider (Nov 13, 2023 at 9:26) (Below Threshold)
 I find the lack of sizes on WAO to be a serious issue, but sadly the demise of smaller bike brands (more of that in the next year or so) has to do with boring stuff like supply chain management NOT product quality. WAO is doing a decent business selling wheels (sadly with crap i9 hubs-not DT) and their supply chain is as local as possible, so they SHOULD do okay-regardless of how good their stuff is. Companies that under-then over ordered manufacturing capacity (since very few bike companies make anything) and parts are in the crosshairs now.
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 @wyorider: DT are now offered
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 @wyorider: all their wheels are built to order and they will work with you to build around most hubs if you don’t like i9 or dt
  • 1 0
 ... and you'd need warranty help for what? As if any of us who'd buy this bike, would keep it for more than a couple years Wink
  • 4 0
 At the moment they are a wheel company with a frame habit. The wheels will carry them through any dips in the frame / bike market. I think you are very safe.
  • 6 0
 With short legs I like mullet bikes but I have noticed the same thing using links that supposedly preserve geometry but feel slacker and lower on the trail. I have an Orbea Rallon but also found a similar sensation on the Stumpjumper EVO. I wonder if has something to do with increase leverage on the rear shock even with sag set the same?
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 If all other aspects of geometry are preserved (and it's a big if), changing the BB drop from the rear axle will make a tangible difference. But the smaller wheel and less BB drop should make it easier to manual and hop, which seems opposite to what you're saying. So yeah, maybe you're onto something with the leverage thought.
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 Noticed the same thing.
Kinda happy that I’m not the only one
  • 7 0
 Hey Matt, Great review!. I'd love a few words on how you though it compared to the Ibis HD6?
  • 2 0
 Same! Specifically how does it climb? (Not that I'm in the market for either bike)
  • 5 1
 Stop dropping the post halfway for pics. I want to understand where the seat ends up in relation to the bb when at riding height even if the pic "doesn't look as good." I can clearly see the seat is all the way way forward in the rails and the actual seat tube angle looks rather slack. When will these bike companies figure out that it sucks when the actual and effective ST angles are far apart?!? Effective STA is only good at one designed height.

While I'm complaining about the geo on this bike, the stack height is way low for a 170mm bike. This ain't no cross country bike. Don't make me ride with both a ton of spacers and hi rise bar.
  • 1 0
 @eggzackly I've never understood why they do this in photos of bikes...
  • 16 8
 I think that every enduro race bike can climb but i could be wrong...
  • 3 1
 Surely, that was his point!
  • 7 2
 No bikes can climb.
  • 6 1
 @mi-bike: This bike is not heavy enough to climb
  • 4 0
 Finally got to race mine in a local enduro event this weekend and I'm definitely not good enough to do the bike justice. It loves chattery, rocky sections you can run through with plenty of speed. I will say, I've also noticed the issue with the spikes on heavy compressions. At the end of a long race day, I came into a dip and didn't have the strength to push back when the bike compressed on me and ended up taking a handlebar to the chest. All in all, though, it does everything I want and more. Climbs great, descends better than I can ride it, and you're almost guaranteed to be the only one riding this bike if you live in the lower 48. It's an eye catcher for sure!
  • 3 0
 I'm pretty sure the spikes are from flex in the lower linkage, as Giant bikes do this too, and the lower linkage is a pretty similar design.
  • 26 19
 Best looking bike on the market by far
  • 12 10
 Dear Downvotes

Hear me out…this bike is pure sex in its natural state. Raw unpainted, hand laid, carbon fibre. Chamfered edges, this thing is quite literally a stealth fighter jet or an F1 car. The continuous lines from top tube to chain stay, the symmetry in the cock pit looking down. Hand made in house components and machined bits, the simplicity of da bar and stem, the convergence wheels, the molded rear fender. Forget the geo, sizing, kinematics, blah blah blah, It’s all made in Kamloops BC- This thing is farm fresh, certified organic. AAA Grade.

Have you ever seen one in person ?

Name a better looking bike, I double dog dare you.
  • 8 1
 Superboost?!?!?! Let the comments begin!
  • 5 0
 Matt puts in some sensible and detailed bike reviews & comparisons… and he explains his perspective. he’s an asset to the PB staff
  • 3 1
 Great bike in many areas.

But for taller folks that stack height on the XL is worryingly low. That’s like 40mm lower than the size LARGE Raaw Madonna V3. I know riser bars are a thing, but once you get over 40-50mm range the options drop quite a bit.

My bike has 650mm of stack, and 38mm riser bars on iir for reference.
  • 1 0
 Tall stack fan here too. I emailed Atherton Bikes a while back enquiring about a custom geo with the tallest head tube and shortest seat tube. They essentially laughed at my request and directed me to the Raised Reverse concept by Bronson Moore.
I mentioned that I’m currently running 76mm rise Protapers on a XL Meta 29 (130mm head tube) with 15mm spacers under the stem. Wakey wakey bike industry, we want longer head tubes!
  • 5 0
 It sounds like their bikes are just as good as their wheels! WAO for the win!!
  • 1 19
flag mdlimonhosain88 (Nov 13, 2023 at 13:10) (Below Threshold)
 hi sir,how to buy this your product

tinyurl.com/sexme89
  • 3 0
 An amazing bike built by a forward-thinking company. Not my personal style of riding, but working at a bike shop has shown me that these do their job exceptionally well. Big up WAO!
  • 2 0
 I replaced my slayer with the 170 arrival and this review is surprisingly spot on. It’s a faster but much less forgiving bike. I also found that it needed a 180 fork or a shorter stem as the riding position was too far forward otherwise. MX is also the way to go. I found mid stroke support to be a bit lacking on the big hits. bike climbs like nothing else and yes the dropper is too short so for trail rides I need to pull it out an inch and for park days put it back down…
  • 2 0
 I'm just not in the market right now, but if I was, this one might be on the short list. I use my 170mm bike as my "trail" bike so I care more about it's all around abilities (climbing) more than its pure descending speed.

Maybe some day I'll need a new bike.
  • 3 1
 Is this a bad thing I don’t really read the reviews anymore on bike about the arrival. I just go straight to the PB comments. To read how fortunate I am to have an arrival of my own to ride. Love my bike. Thank You team We Are One. Best bike going hands down.
  • 2 0
 "The headtube sits in what most would consider the slack range at 63.7-degrees while the seat tube rests at a reasonably steep 76.6. When slack head tubes and mega-steep seat angles meet, they can cramp the seated position and put a ton of weight into the handlebars."

In the past few years, when geo numbers look like this from other brands, it's been described more negatively. We were pretty much at a point where when I saw a new bike's geo chart I would know what PB was going to say. Makes ya wonder why certain brands are seen more positively than others. On the other hand, it's nice to something get some love that doesn't have a 90º STA, 60º HTA, and a 1000mm reach.
  • 2 1
 I'm a huge fan of WAO, I have a early set of their rims built by a local shop as they recommended and they haven't ever needed attention. The pod on PB with Dustin made me like them even more. And,,,,,,I went for the Nomad 6 in XXL. If you are 6'4" with long legs you have zero chance of getting a good fit, in fact, I'm guessing many taller people will have trouble, the high BB, low stack is a bad combination for taller people, you end with that perched on top situation. The Nomad is the first bike I've had that finally gets my bar height up around seat height like you shorter riders get to enjoy, and that's with lots of spacers and a 35 rise. My ideal would be the Raww Madonna in XL, 530/stack for days.
I traded in a Stumpjumper in S6 to get the Nomad and even the Stumpy in 6 didn't' get me to this fit, this heaven that I have been waiting for for an eternity. Do I miss the smaller bike on my local trails where the Nomad is supposed to be too much bike, not for a second. If I were much younger, much more skilled maybe I would want a short travel bike and I'm guessing that 90% of the riders out there given the chance to ride one of these newer long travel bikes would not prefer a short travel bike if they're riding anything that isn't just smooth and boring. Since I started MTB, ten years ago the game has changed drastically, the riding position, (enduro/moto?) is so different, requires a different design of bike, finally we're getting to what makes sense.
  • 1 1
 obviously too late since you've already spent the money, but Geometron / Nicolai go very long reach and have lots of adjustable bits. I bought a G1 with 530mm reach and the highest BB and longest CS they offered and been super happy
  • 1 0
 6’4” also. Tried an xxl Megatower 2 with all the reach and stack and found that the front end just got too light in corners. Understeer and front end pushing. Straight line smashing and climbing it was perfect but any kind of high speed corner and it was a fight to keep the rubber side down. Currently on an XL Arrival 170 and a Pole Voima. No geo issues with either (although the steep seat tube on the Voima turned out to be a surprise cure for numb nuts). My hunch is that the chain stays need to grow with reach to keep the front wheel weighted.
  • 6 0
 Great review Matt
  • 2 0
 Does WAO have brackets for 200mm rotors available again? It seems they were hard to come by. Might be an expensive bike, but it's better value than the Santa Cruz with its race face/i9 1/1 wheels and it's Code Silver brakes.
  • 3 0
 I really can't afford that frame price, as much as I'd love to buy from a local-ish company. Need some more made in Canada Alu options for the budgeteers!
  • 3 0
 Let’s talk about the Wheels… right now there is a huge sale for the convergence wheel set (November 2023). Does anyone have a set and what is their opinion?
  • 1 16
flag mdlimonhosain88 (Nov 13, 2023 at 13:10) (Below Threshold)
 hi sir,how to buy this your product

tinyurl.com/sexme89
  • 4 0
 Thanks Matt! Have a cyber-hug Smile
  • 7 3
 For that spec, that’s an amazing price
  • 7 3
 not really, but it is good for a boutique bike made entirely in Canada.
  • 5 2
 @danielfloyd: on any other bike except for yt and canyon, that spec would be at least 10k
  • 2 20
flag wyorider (Nov 13, 2023 at 9:39) (Below Threshold)
 Meh-at that price it should have more durable hubs and a better dropper. Shouldn't have to replace parts out of the box on a bike north of 5k.
  • 1 10
flag mdlimonhosain88 (Nov 13, 2023 at 13:10) (Below Threshold)
 @wyorider: hi sir,how to buy this your product

tinyurl.com/sexme89
  • 5 1
 How does it compare to the prime thunderflash?
  • 3 0
 I just want to know where he got a 425lb coil spring for that Rockshox coil?? I think that would be sweet spot for me.
  • 1 0
 @samsonr: very interesting. I thought my only option was a SAR coil, but recently I saw something that RS was maybe going to start making springs with 25lb increments. I was hoping that rumor was true and he had got his hands on one.
  • 3 0
 @kingch24: They seem to exist, my 170 came with a 475. Inside line stocks RS springs in 25# increments.
www.theinsideline.ca/rockshox-metric-coil-black.html?id=94980281&quantity=1
  • 1 0
 @samsonr: wow just found some 25lb increment coils on Fanatik too! RS sure did this quitely!
  • 3 0
 RS do produce 425 LBS springs, but they come in black color only:
thelostco.com/products/rockshox-metric-coil-spring?variant=42786319007942
  • 2 0
 @catamplifier: just ordered one from them! I knew they talked about doing 25lb increments but never saw anything about it happening. That should have made PB front page! That along with new forks no longer having bleeder valves!
  • 1 0
 @kingch24: the saddest thing about it is that 25lbs does not give you a lot from my experience
Had a 450-500 switchable spring and it changed the sag only by 2-3%
what I mean is that not all spring are exactly what they are claimed in terms of LBS
I mean... maybe for someone riding light springs this should be a lot, but for heavy riders I don't fill like it makes THAT difference

PS: glad you got one! hope it is up to your expectations!
  • 3 0
 I'd like to see a good head to head with the Yeti SB160. Both these bikes seem to have the same review comments.
  • 2 0
 Check out @redrockmtb on insta. Guy shreds and buys every enduro rig under the sun and put this over the SB160.
  • 1 0
 @Blownoutrides: He doesn't go into much detail comparing them though. Was a fan of Outer Bike for the number of demos you can ride but that seems to have dried up.
  • 4 0
 It's got more sharp angles than that amoured Tesla truck.
  • 1 13
flag mdlimonhosain88 (Nov 13, 2023 at 13:10) (Below Threshold)
 hi sir,how to buy this your product

tinyurl.com/sexme89
  • 4 0
 Under BB cable routing needs to die.
  • 1 3
 True, via wireless shifting.
  • 3 0
 @s100: Just went back to manual shifting. Wireless was a failed experiment for me.
  • 2 0
 My shop carries We Are One, and this bike is phenomenal. It outclasses most of the other brands we have out. Also, their wheels are the best in the industry right now.
  • 2 0
 152 version with a 170mm fork is ABSOLUTELY AMAZING! Incredible bike and impressive craftsmanship.
  • 2 0
 Reading this review I was waiting for the arrival of the "Climbs Like a Goat" in Pros
  • 3 0
 one of the best looking bikes on the market.
  • 3 2
 83-86 psi in the Zeb can't be right. That's what suggested pressure would be for a 230-240lb rider. I'm 170lb and hover around 64 psi.
  • 6 1
 If there is one thing I've learned: riders who are truly fast (not me!) often prefer suspension that is MUCH stiffer than us normal mortals. Smile

Fox suggests that my fork should be equipped with ~100 PSI for a rider of my weight. I've found I am quite happy with it at 88, and even the low 90's is way too stiff for me.

I was riding Whistler a few years ago with a former motocross racer. We were talking about suspension and I remember being blown away at how stiff he was running his fork. Turns out, when you are racing top-to-bottom at mach speed, you're multiplying the force your weight drives into your fork and the need for an ultra stiff spring to match.
  • 3 0
 I was also thrown by Matt Beer's fork PSI. I'm 178lb (8 lb heavier than Matt) and RockShox recommends 62psi as a starting point for my 170mm ZEB Ultimate. I have been slowly trying lower PSIs because the suggested starting point is too firm for me. I'm currently at 58psi and planning to go even lower on my next ride.
  • 4 0
 @KJP1230: i think it's just a typo. Today's suspension is too good to have to run an overly stiff setup no matter how fast you are. A few psi maybe but not 25% more.
  • 18 2
 @kingch24, Matt runs his fork quite stiff, but keep in mind that his riding abilities / speed are at a very, very high level - his needs and preferences are different than most riders.
  • 4 0
 @KJP1230: most people are running their suspension too slow, too soft with too many volume spacers. Biggest game changer is failing in your suspension and tyre pressures.
  • 7 0
 @thenotoriousmic: I agree. I was just riding with a buddy on a brand new Yeti and he was saying that he wasn't too impressed with the performance. I asked him what his shock and fork were set at in terms of pressure and he stared at me with a blank look before shrugging.

Nothing like an $8k bike riding around at the same spring rate set by they shop during the build up. Smile

That said, while I am not racer-fast, I am assuredly pretty quick. I generally like my suspension a bit on the plush -but-fast side of things.
  • 4 2
 @mikekazimer: I get that the level he's riding at is way above typical, but running 20psi more in that fork then typical and then 30% sag at the shock doesn't really add up. I've seen settings that some top level reviewers and even pro EWS guys are running and they don't seem that far off from today's manufacture suggested settings. That's definitely a newer phenom. I know there was a time in racing that running super stiff suspension was the only way to make up for dampers and air springs that just couldn't keep up, but that seems to be long gone away. Interested to see why/if he's running that much pressure. I've found the new Zeb to be difficult to achieve full travel which resonates with many other reviews.
  • 3 0
 Yeah, that seems a tad high. Maybe he has a defective shock pump?
  • 6 4
 Rocker pivot in the middle of the seat tube is an auto-fail. Amazed how many designers overlook this.
  • 4 1
 It's not a careless overlook. Pivot points on bikes have to be in a specific spot down to the mm to obtain certain kinematics. Some Kinematics are influenced by the chain which is driven by the human which is sitting on the seat which is in the seat tube. Simply moving a pivot forward would drastically change the bike.
  • 3 1
 I should also point our that some bikes have straight seat tubes with the pivot in front but these bikes are either high pivot or mullet. Kinked seat tubes are there for wheel clearance for a 29" hoop, this kink sometimes pushes the seat tube into the space that a pivot occupies.
  • 5 2
 Start with a full seat tube and go from there. It's a critical feature, especially in the smaller sizes.
  • 2 0
 @bitterbiker: If that's the priority then sure, but there will be a compromise in wheelpath/anti-rise/anti-squat plus geometry and then you have to fit a water bottle on top of all of that lol.
  • 3 1
 @bitterbiker: then you end up with a Knolly.
  • 1 0
 Err, one should also update the main article with the Black Friday Special deals on at WAO right now too. www.weareonecomposites.com

Pretty good shopping!
  • 2 0
 Well priced. Most other mass-produced high-end carbon frames often cost more.
  • 1 0
 Can we get the low down on the photos for this story? Looks like they were shot on film! Lots of interesting texture in there.
  • 1 0
 Does Superboost limit the size of the rear brake rotor? 180mm seems pretty small for the use case of this bike.
  • 3 0
 nope, I run a 200mm.
  • 5 7
 She’s a looker for sure. If I had to choose between this or a SC Nomad, hands down I’d choose the Arrival every time. I’m a little confused about what you were trying to convey when explaining how you need to be “precise on timing” bigger compressions when riding steep tracks..? Does it feel like it’s wanting pitch you forward? I personally feel that if I’m riding steep rough tracks I’d want the bike to sit just a bit into its travel to allow me to focus on where I’m going. When riding my V2 Hightower on steeper rough tracks, I’ll sometimes notice my body position getting pushed further forwards which can put me into panic mode
  • 3 24
flag wyorider (Nov 13, 2023 at 9:28) (Below Threshold)
 Nomad fits more people (more sizes), has a pretty extensive dealer network, and has a normal height BB.
  • 6 0
 @wyorider: it’s funny cuz I’m in Albuquerque, NM and there’s not an SC dealer but there is a WAO dealer.
  • 4 3
 No mention of the horrendous pedal kickback on the Arrival. Flat pedal riders will want an O-chain device. SC has figured out dual link kinematics.
  • 3 1
 @wyorider: what is normal? Richie seemed to do ok with his 353mm BB this year.
  • 2 0
 @bradwalton:FWIW my arrival 170 seems to have the Least pedal kickback of any of my previous bikes. And I’ve had a bunch. It might exist from top-out to sag but beyond that it feels like it disappears.
  • 2 0
 @bradwalton: weird, I get less kickback on the arrival than I do on my enduro.
  • 2 0
 @Ferd: @s100: you guys must be clipped in. I couldn’t keep my feet on the pedals on trails I’ve been riding for years and never had a problem before
  • 1 0
 @bradwalton: flats at Whistler bike park.
  • 2 0
 @birdsandtrees: Really? Who's the WAO dealer here?
Not that I have any interest in buying one but I think Sport Systems is a SC dealer.
  • 2 0
 @Lostrodamus: ahhh maybe you’re right. Only stopped in there once. BikeWorks is a WAO dealer. They don’t necessarily have frames on the floor, but are definitely a dealer.
  • 2 0
 @bradwalton: I was going to say...Have a close watch of that suspension action video in this article.but now that I look the bike is rocking forward and back so that distorts the displacement.
  • 2 0
 @birdsandtrees: Thanks, I appreciate it!
  • 1 3
 "When slack head tubes and mega-steep seat angles meet, they can cramp the seated position"

It doesn't have anything to do with the head angle, it has to do with reach. Shorter reach and mega-steep seat angles make for short effective top tube. It doesn't matter what the head angle is, unless you're specifying that wheel base and rear center is fixed and only seat tube and head angle change, but reach will also change in that case. And since reach is usually much more of a driving factor than wheelbase, it makes more sense to compare by reach (as most sizing does) and thus this comparison of ETT and head tube angle does not make sense.
  • 1 3
 "The sensation is backed by the fact that the position of the handlebar appeared to be rolled further back than before."

"Appeared"? Why didn't you measure it? Check the angle of the controls in each setting.

Could also have a lot to do with chosen wheels and tires. Same rim width? Same tire, brand, tread, casing, size, and pressure?
  • 1 3
 "I bet with a tiny bit more BB drop, the high-speed stability would become more predictable. The sense of standing “on the bike”, as opposed to “in the bike”, comes back around. It doesn’t always appear to settle in"

Maybe then you shouldn't haver decreased the sag with that extra half-turn of preload:

"To counteract the slight change in dynamic position that the 27.5” wheel seemed to inflict, I added a half turn of preload"

Sounds like you intentionally raised the BB a bit, then complained that the BB needs a tiny bit more drop. Which is it?
  • 1 0
 @mattbeer Tried a 50 rise bar or higher to make the effective stack higher?
  • 1 0
 hate to say it but $6,000 for a boutique carbon GX AXS build is pretty damn good
  • 2 0
 I freaking love mine!
  • 1 13
flag mdlimonhosain88 (Nov 13, 2023 at 13:10) (Below Threshold)
 hi sir,how to buy this your product

tinyurl.com/sexme89
  • 1 0
 Nice shots with the ol' sony 12800 move, looks good.
  • 2 13
flag mdlimonhosain88 (Nov 13, 2023 at 13:10) (Below Threshold)
 hi sir,how to buy this your product

tinyurl.com/sexme89
  • 3 3
 Tall person just noped out at that stack height. I love your rims WAO but GTFO with this thing.
  • 1 1
 It looks cool, but the unusual sizing and unreasonably short and low geometry is a deal-breaker.
  • 1 0
 Love it but the cost, specs, and market this is tough.
  • 1 0
 Kinematics are comparable to a Horst link bike.
  • 1 0
 Looks like a Tesla I’m wondering if it’s bulletproof
  • 7 7
 A breath of fresh air seeing reasonable reach numbers.
  • 5 1
 Unless you’re 6’4” and the trails you ride tend to be of the faster/straighter style..
  • 3 33
flag wyorider (Nov 13, 2023 at 9:27) (Below Threshold)
 Only 3 reach numbers is a breath of crap
  • 1 1
 Super boost PLUS, don't forget the PLUS. And super boost plus is EW
  • 2 5
 I talked to a SRAM rep on a bike festival this year. They've had two of those frames for testing with their Transmission and weren't overly impressed by the quality of the frame.
  • 1 0
 Da Arrival.
  • 7 7
 superboost? pass lol
  • 4 1
 Yup
  • 2 4
 Which Model of Giant Reign is this ?
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