Review: Last Tarvo - A Sub-30-Pound Enduro Bike

Apr 15, 2022
by Mike Kazimer  
The average weight of an enduro bike seems to have crept up over the last few years, thanks in part to longer travel dropper posts, heavier duty tires, and burlier suspension components. Those are all useful advances – I'll take a slight weight penalty to avoid dealing with broken parts or flat tires any day - but they do mean it's not uncommon for bikes to end up weighing 35 pounds or more depending on the frame material and just how burly of a build a rider chooses.

Last are doing their part to put a halt to that trend with the 160mm Tarvo, which they say is the lightest enduro frame in existence. It checks in at 2080 grams, including shock mounting hardware. The carbon frame is made in Germany, and meets the Category 5 ASTM standard, which means that hitting up the bike park won't void the 6-year warranty.
Last Tarvo Details

• Wheel size: 29" (mixed wheel option available)
• Carbon frame
• Travel: 160mm / 170mm fork
• 64-degree head angle
• 438mm chainstays (size 185)
• Sizes: 165, 175, 185, 195
• Weight: 29.7 lb / 13.5 kg (size 185)
• Price: $9,319 USD
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Last offers an à la carte style build program, allowing customers to individually select each component for their dream machine. The Tarvo was launched in 2020, but some unforseen global circumstances meant that it took longer than expected to get one in for review.

It was worth the wait, because the bike that arrived had an especially dreamy build, including Trickstuff's super powerful Maxima brakes, SRAM's XX1 AXS wireless drivetrain, Newman carbon wheels mounted up with a Maxxis Assegai EXO+ tire in the front, and a DoubleDown casing DHRII in the rear. A 170mm RockShox Zeb Ultimate fork and a SuperDeluxe Ultimate air shock take care of suspension duties.

That'll all added up to an impressive light 29.7 lb (13.5 kg) on my scale. Total cost? $9,319 USD. Last don't currently sell to North America, though, so potential buyers in America or Canada will need to add on the price of a plane ticket to pick one up.



bigquotesThat sense of being propelled down the trail is great on smoother, more rolling terrain - in sections where bigger bikes can feel bogged down the Tarvo felt like it was surging ahead, eager to get around the next corner. Mike Kazimer




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Frame Details

The Tarvo's carbon frame looks absolutely stunning in person. There aren't any strange shapes or awkward bends to be seen, and way the top tube line matches up with the seatstays is especially pleasing to the eye. The same goes for the bend in the seatstay where it curves around the rear brake caliper. Even the carbon fiber downtube protector looks gorgeous. Okay, maybe the seat tube could be a little shorter, but that's more of a geometry nitpick than anything to do with the quality of the frame itself.

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Two powerful magnets hold the lid of the downtube storage compartment in place.

It used to be that the ability to hold a water bottle inside the front triangle was noteworthy (the Tarvo has that covered), but now the focus has shifted to secret storage compartments inside frames. The Tarvo has that too, with a design that uses a really strong magnet to keep the door in place. It takes a little bit of practice to get the hang of opening and closing the hatch, but there's plenty of room in the downtube for a tube, snacks, and a small pump or CO2 inflator.

Other details include SRAM's universal derailleur hanger, internally routed cables via tubes that are molded into the frame, and a threaded bottom bracket.

For riders interested in going the mixed-wheel route, Last offer an MX rocker link that gives the bike 170mm of rear travel and helps maintain a similar bottom bracket height with the 27.5" rear wheel. Another possibility is purchasing the rocker link for the Cinto, which would reduce the rear travel to 145mm to create more of an all-mountain machine. The links are priced at 399 Euro.



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There aren't any pivots to be seen here - the Tarvo relies on flexstays to allow it to go through its 160mm of travel.
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How about that carbon downtube protector?


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Geometry & Sizing

The Tarvo is available in five sizes, each one designated by the height in centimeters of the riders it's intended for. That means riders choose from 165, 175, 185, and 195 options instead of the typical S, M, L, XL. I'm 180 centimeters tall, so I went with the 185 version, which has a 485mm reach and 438mm chainstays.

All sizes have a 64° head tube angle. That head angle was calculated with a RockShox Lyrik - with the 170mm Zeb my test bike had it gets a little slacker, dropping to 63.7°. The chainstay lengths vary depending on the frame size, starting at 430mm on the size 165 and going all the way up to 444mm on the 195. Seat tube angles hover around 76-degrees, and in a nice touch they get steeper with the larger sizes in order to ensure taller riders don't end up too far over the back of the bike.

The 455mm seat tube on the 185 is on the longer side, at least compared with the direction that geometry is going. Luckily, I was just able to run the 213mm BikeYoke dropper that the bike was equipped with since I have fairly long legs for my height. Some riders may end up being limited to shorter travel options due to the seat tube length.

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Suspension Design

One of the ways that Last kept the weight down on the Tarvo was by eliminating any pivots on the swingarm and going with a flexstay system instead. Flexstays aren't typically seen in this travel bracket - they're much more common on shorter travel cross-country and trail bikes. The seatstays are designed to flex slightly as the bike goes through its travel, and Last went with a kinematic that meant the amount of actual flex required is fairly minimal.

The Tarvo has a very progressive leverage ratio of 36%, which allows it to work with both air and coil shocks. That percentage is on the higher side of things – for reference, the 160mm travel Orbea Rallon's ratio is 24%, the Transition Spire is 22%, and the 170mm YT Capra is 32.8%.

The Tarvo's anti-squat values vary depending on the frame size, but all of the sizes have the same value at sag, which is 106%. That number decreases as the bike goes through its travel, although not that drastically – it never dips below 85%.



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2020 Last Tarvo


Specifications
Price $9319
Travel 160mm
Rear Shock RockShox SuperDeluxe Ultimate
Fork RockShox Zeb Ultimate
Cassette SRAM XX1 12-speed
Crankarms SRAM XX1 175mm
Bottom Bracket SRAM Dub
Rear Derailleur SRAM XX1 AXS
Chain SRAM XX1 12-speed
Shifter Pods SRAM XX1 AXS
Handlebar Newmen Advanced - 25 x 800
Stem Newmen 40mm
Grips Ergon GE 10 EVO
Brakes Trickstuff Maxima
Wheelset Newmen Advanced SL A.30
Hubs Newmen
Tires Maxxis Assegai 2.5" EXO+ / DHR II 2.4" DD
Seat Ergon SM Enduro
Seatpost BikeYoke Revive 213mm



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Test Bike Setup

The Tarvo's build kit leaves little to be desired, and I only made a few small tweaks to suit my personal preferences. I ended up swapping the Ergon SM Enduro saddle out for the same model in a wider width - my sit bones get along better with the 148mm width instead of the 135mm version. The Newmen handlebars measured 780mm and were paired with a 40mm stem, so I didn't need to change anything there.

As far as suspension goes, I did a fair bit of experimenting before settling on the following for my 160 lb weight (all clicks from full closed):

RockShox Zeb Ultimate: 54 psi, no tokens. LSC: 15, HSC: 4. Rebound: 9.
RockShox Super Deluxe Ultimate: 164 psi (30% sag). LSC: 9. Rebound:6.

Testing took place in Bellingham, Washington during the transition period from winter to spring, and from mud to magical dirt.


Me.
Mike Kazimer
Location: Bellingham, WA, USA
Age: 39
Height: 5'11" / 180cm
Inseam: 33" / 84cm
Weight: 160 lbs / 72.6 kg
Industry affiliations / sponsors: None
Instagram: @mikekazimer




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Climbing


On longer travel bikes, seat tube angles seem to have settled somewhere around the 77-78-degree range. The Tarvo's 76-degree angle is a touch slacker than what's starting to become the norm in this travel bracket, but I was able to move the saddle forward to get a comfortable position. After all, that's what those rails are for. Once that was done the seat climbing position worked well for me, and I didn't experience any discomfort on multi-hour rides.

I'm not going to spew any hyperbole about how this lightweight machine climbs like a cross-country bike, because it doesn't. Even with a sub-30 pound weight it's still fairly long and slack, and it has beefy tires that aren't exactly known for their low rolling resistance. Honestly, I found the lack of heft while climbing to be most noticeable during the first few hundred yards of a ride, and then I'd forget about it as my attention turned to other things, like the trail in front of me. However, the Tarvo's ligher weight does make it easier to toss over a shoulder during hike-a-bike sections, and if I had to choose between a relatively light bike and a heavy one before embarking on an all-day adventure I'd pick the lighter option.

The suspension remains fairly calm during seated climbing, but standing up out of the saddle does result in a fair amount of movement due to the change in the center of gravity and the supple initial portion of the shock's stroke. That movement can be reduced by adding a couple clicks of low speed compression, or there's also a lock-out lever that eliminates almost all shock movement. Overall, it's not quite as efficient feeling as the Orbea Rallon, even though both bikes have manners that make them easy to live with on rides that involve big climbs to get to the goods.

There's plenty of traction for getting up greasy, slimy sections of trail, and when speeds slow down the Tarvo still remains pretty manageable. I'd put it into the 'neutral' category when it comes to tighter, more technical climbs – the Tarvo is a mild mannered machine that gets the job done without much fuss.


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Descending

It's on the descents where things get interesting aboard the Tarvo. On some bikes, I'm able to set up the suspension, hop on, and feel comfortable right away, with barely any need to touch a dial for the rest of the test period. That wasn't exactly the case with the Tarvo.

Ever see those videos of the guys that get fancy new Lamborghinis and then immediately wrap them around a telephone pole because they went all gas, no brakes? I had that feeling a few times aboard the Tarvo – there were moments when it felt like it was trying to escape from underneath me. In certain situations, typically at medium speeds when there were multiple impacts in a row, it felt like it wanted to leap forward, and I had to make a conscious effort to rein it in and stay centered over the bike. By the end of the test period I felt more at home, but it's worth mentioning that this isn't the absolute easiest bike to get accustomed to, or at least it wasn't for me.

The high level of progression may play a part here – the Tarvo doesn't give up its travel as easily as something like the Canyon Torque that I recently tested, and wants to sit up higher in its travel rather than settling into it. There's good small bump sensitivity, and I was able to use all of the travel when warranted, but the ramp up before the end of the stroke does give the bike a more energetic rather than planted feel. I ended up running the rebound on the SuperDeluxe a little slower than usual, which helped to create a calmer ride. That sense of being propelled down the trail is great on smoother, more rolling terrain, and in sections where bigger bikes can feel bogged down the Tarvo felt like it was surging ahead, eager to get around the next corner.

The Tarvo's geometry felt well suited to its enduro-ish intention. We're starting to see some brands dip their toes into the world of sub-63° head angles, but I have a feeling that we're getting close to the limits, at least when it comes to bikes that retains some level of versatility. The Tarvo's head angle, reach, and chainstay length all felt familar to me, since I've ridden several bikes with similar numbers, and worked well on the variety of terrain that the bike saw.

At higher speeds the Tarvo really came alive – the feeling that it was trying to escape faded, replaced by a smooth sense of precision. That high level of progression means there's little need to worry about harsh bottom-outs, and it'll get airborne with minimal effort. I'd worried that the light weight would would make it feel nervous or flexy, but those traits never appeared, and there was plenty of stability when pushing into corners or going flat out down an open section of trail. Again, it's not the kind of bike that encourages you to chuck it into a nasty pile of rubble without any forward planning, but it's also not a delicate flower - it can definitely take on the rough stuff without faltering.

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Last Tarvo
2022 Orbea Rallon review
Orbea Rallon


How Does It Compare?

The Tarvo sits in a class of its own when it comes to its suspension design, since there aren't many (or possibly any) other flex pivot bikes out there with 160mm of travel. In any case, what bike does this boutique compare to? Let's pit it against the Orbea Rallon, another bike that's light, fast, and has a storage compartment in the downtube.

When it comes to geometry, both bikes are pretty similar on paper. The Tarvo's 64-degree head angle is the same as the Rallon, and both bikes have a 485mm reach. There's only a 2mm difference in chainstay length between the 185 Tarvo and the large Orbea, although Last gets a point in their favor for using different chainstay lengths for each size.

The Rallon has a steeper seat angle, which I preferred, and I found the overall seated position to be more comfortable on tricky climbs. The Rallon also has a shorter seat tube length, which makes it easier for all riders to run longer travel dropper posts.

When it comes to downhill performance, both bikes have more of a fast-and-light feel as opposed to something that encourages smashing your way down the trail. They both feel like race bikes rather than bike park machines, with climbing manners that make them work well for rides with a variety of terrain.

I rode the Rallon with a coil shock, and was impressed with the balance of traction and support that it delivered; I'd be tempted to go the same route with the Tarvo, especially considering how progressive its suspension kinematics are.


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Technical Report

Trickstuff Maxima brakes: The Maxima's remain the smoothest and most powerful brakes that I've ever used. A light touch is all it takes to scrub off a little speed, and a firmer pull makes it possible to come to a complete stop anywhere, no matter how steep the trail. Of course, that performance comes at a very high price – literally – and with Trickstuff in the process of being acquired by DT Swiss it's harder than ever to track down a pair of these incredible stoppers.

Newmen SL A.30 wheels: The carbon Newmen wheels have a great feel on the trail, and the hub is nearly silent while coasting. However, I wasn't as impressed with the three-pawl system – partway through testing it starting making a 'popping' noise under heavy loads, and when I pulled it apart one of the pawls was slower to return than the others. I cleaned everything and applied fresh freehub grease, but after a few rides the popping returned. Luckily a new spring and pawls is only $7 or so, but not needing to touch them in the first place would be even better.

In-frame storage: It's great that more and more companies are starting to take advantage of all those empty downtubes. Last's use of super-stong magnets is clever, although it does require a little more finagling to use compared to the latch style systems used by Specialized, Trek, and others. I also had the 'door' make some noise when I have a full water bottle on it – the weight of the bottle was making the cover rock back and forth. A strip of mastic tape solved the issue; something to keep in mind if you end up with a Tarvo with a mystery rattle.



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Pros

+ Incredibly light for a race-ready bike
+ Absolutely gorgeous frame finish
+ Size specific chainstays

Cons

- Very progressive suspension design can make shock setup more challenging
- Seat tube could be steeper, and shorter




Pinkbike's Take

bigquotesThe Last Tarvo is light, quick, and beautifully constructed, with ride characteristics that make it stand out from the crowd. It's far from your run-of-the-mill Horst Link bike, and because of that it can take a little longer to unlock its secrets. For riders with a fast, precise riding style the Tarvo delivers a very engaging ride, although those who prefer to point and plow straight through anything and everything may want to look elsewhere. Mike Kazimer






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185 Comments
  • 292 1
 You know, for a bike with trickstuff maxima brakes (1,200 euro alone), an ultralight german-made frameset, and full XX1 AXS, this bike is much better value than a comparable build from Yeti or Santa Cruz... puts into perspective how crazy the pricing on some of those builds has gotten
  • 74 53
 Nobody has ever considered buying Yeti or Santa Cruz for value though. They know that they are wasting money on paint.
  • 42 2
 @alexisfire: which makes Santa Cruz’s paint choices even more confusing. They have some gorgeous combinations like the orange and gold on the high tower or the gulf racing like powder blue and orange of the tall boy. Then they have baby poo green of the nomad and pastel lavender on the bullit.
  • 2 21
flag bok-CZ FL (Apr 15, 2022 at 9:15) (Below Threshold)
 @alexisfire: well I did twice, second hand, I've lost something about 250-300 bucks after 3 years of riding sb6, I don't expect my actual sb150 to get far from the price I paid for it
  • 23 1
 Bronson AXS Rsrv USD $12199 + tx at 8% = $13175

Tarvo as tested $10210 after subtracting 19% VAT and adding 11% duty

Tarvo DHX2 frame $4585 after

Nomad CC DHX2 frame $4149 +tx = $4480
  • 9 21
flag zsandstrom (Apr 15, 2022 at 10:33) (Below Threshold)
 @alexisfire: If by "value", you mean "the highest discount from MSRP of the build components", then I'd agree. However, there are a lot of non-build related value items to consider. For example, SC and Yeti retain value exceptionally well, so resale as a percentage of purchase price is a value-add later on. I also personally think that if you're buying new, the boutique brands are built better (in the sense of the bike shop mechanic being stoked on a "cool brand" and doing their best). Then there's also the fact that if you want a suspension platform that isn't horst or single pivot then you are going to pay a premium on the frame.

Not saying that value doesn't matter; just that "value" means something different to everyone.
  • 20 0
 @zsandstrom: it’s not 2002. You don’t have to pay a premium for a dual short link bike. Also the reason why Horst link bikes are so common isn’t because it’s a cheaper or easier way to build a frame......
  • 32 0
 @zsandstrom: who is brave enough to buy a second hand yeti with no warranty?
  • 32 0
 @chrismac70: an oral hygienist
  • 53 3
 @zsandstrom: If we're talking value though, consider this: One of the bikes in question is very expensive because it’s an extremely advanced design by a university professor of mechanical engineering and is hand-made in Germany by one of the worlds leading composite material specialists. Every inch of it screams high-end quality. Also it is the worlds lightest frame rated for Category 5.

The other one doesn’t really have any of those things going for it but is very expensive because it says Santa Cruz on the badge.
  • 12 0
 No doubt. With the 4 dollars I saved from not signing up for beta, I can almost afford it.
  • 2 1
 The lavender is dope@Afterschoolsports:
  • 3 1
 @chrismac70: even new with warranty would give me hesitation after what my former local Yeti dealer had for an experience with them.
  • 3 3
 @zsandstrom: good points. Plus other valuable adds like Santa Cruz's awesome warranty
  • 2 2
 @Afterschoolsports: Ripmo AF Deore Cascade S35C logo: USD $4812 all in
  • 6 0
 One of the first $10k bikes I've seen that look worth that much. Maybe only other is an Atherton...
  • 3 0
 @Muscovir: you nailed it!
BTW: I ordered a Tarvo last November. It should arrive next week. It’s pretty much the same spec as in the article—except it’s gonna be a mullet and a gx drivetrain. But I also went for the Trickstuff Maxima as Shimano was not available. Can’t wait anymore
  • 118 0
 Finally- A bike named after what place I get in enduro races!!
  • 15 0
 Yeah I was thinking First would have been a better brand name choice but then you would have to live up to that and who needs that kind of pressure.
  • 10 0
 There is honor in being DFL
  • 4 2
 the trouble with last place, is it's really hard to always be the first DNF. lol
  • 4 0
 If you ain't first...yer Last.
  • 3 2
 @ReformedRoadie: that doesn't make any sense? I mean, there's second...third, fouth......HELL! there's even fifth!?
  • 1 0
 Wonder if they will make me a 2nd Last?
  • 1 1
 @conoat: 2nd place is 1st place loser.
  • 2 0
 Damn Ricky I was high when I said that.
  • 1 0
 @conoat: Ricky Bobby man!
  • 46 1
 The eye watering price makes a lot of sense when I realized it had AXS drivetrain and Trickstuff brakes. I'm guessing you could get this down to a much more reasonable $6k if you slapped some XT level stuff on it.
  • 10 7
 And potentially even lighter with the XT!
  • 17 1
 NVM looked up weights. AXS weighs about the same as XTR. You could put xtr on the bike and save a decent chunk of cash.
  • 14 8
 @rbarbier12: yeah but then your bike doesnt sound like a robot and instead looks like its from 2005
  • 1 4
 @rbarbier12: does that weight allow for cables and housing? it usually does not, so thats another 80g or so
  • 4 0
 @conoat: it does! Shifter weight includes cable and cable housing and is a part of the total calculation.
  • 2 13
flag conoat (Apr 15, 2022 at 12:39) (Below Threshold)
 @rbarbier12: so what is the allotment for different frame sizes?
  • 35 1
 At Last! Someone made an enduro bike that is lighter so that I don't have to be.
  • 3 3
 Let's hope it will Last long enough in the durability department.
  • 12 0
 Don't ride up grades, buy upgrades!
  • 3 1
 @dfbland: 6 year warranty, id guess its built to last
  • 1 9
flag conoat (Apr 15, 2022 at 12:18) (Below Threshold)
 @drfunsocks: that's 5 ish years longer than I keep a bike. 6years is the same as 2 or 200. lol
  • 26 0
 what a stunning looking bike!
  • 20 0
 We have one of these in the office. The personal Bike of one of Out employees. To See ist up close makes you realize how we'll this frame is made. Absolutly stunning. So far the only other bikes i know that can compete with that quality are Unno and Stoll. true pieces of Art.
  • 20 1
 hey a flagship bike under $10k! What a deal!

In all seriousness tho, the first $10k (mountain) bike I ever saw was an S works Enduro from like 2014, so given inflation, supply chain issues, the general rise in bike prices, this thing is pretty cheap. That S works from 8 years ago didn't have electronic shifting, didn't have carbon hoops, nor Trickstuff Brakes.
  • 19 1
 Comment regarding the seat tube angle. If you were able to slide the saddle forward to get your preferred position why would it be an issue? I would prefer that middle ground option to a really steep seat angle.

My big issue with the new "Triathlon" riding position is that it puts way too much weight on your hands and uses way less hamstring in the pedal stroke. Not so enjoyable in flat and intermediate terrain. Of course half my comment is directly related to envy associated with the difference in body types between pinkbike testers and I. I did lots of hard work at the dining table - like most readers - to have this issue Frown rather than hard work on the bike.
  • 2 0
 You bring up some good points.
  • 6 3
 This is so true! But after long, low and slack marketing teams had to come up with some more BS.
  • 19 3
 @bigkev123, I wouldn’t say steep seat angle are BS - they make it possible to feel comfortable on bikes with longer reaches without feeling too stretched out during seated climbing. A lot of it has to do with the intended use of the bike, and the amount of travel. Steeper seat angles work better on longer travel enduro bikes versus shorter travel trail bike. That’s due to the increased amount of sag - your seat angle will change more when you’re sitting on a 170mm bike compared to a 120mm bike.

As with anything, there are limits, as I mentioned in the review. Still, I bet most riders wouldn’t mind if the Tarvo had a slightly steeper seat angle.
  • 6 0
 Those of us with long legs appreciate the steep SA as it makes it easier to get to that on top of the pedals position. I agree with some bikes it can feel weight forward. You can correct that by raising your bar height which moves you back. The thing is bikes with 74, 75ish angle can be really tough to get that right position. I think around 76 degrees you get a nice middle ground, around 78 degrees I start feeling like the top tube is getting too short. So for me 76-77 is 'ideal.'
  • 2 2
 @mikekazimer: I understand. I'm 6'3"/190cm riding a 160mm trail/enduro bike, but feel a steeper SA would benefit me around 10% of the time. For the aforementioned reasons.
  • 3 0
 Moving to a steeper STA (from 76 to 78, say) will raise the saddle vertically. For a Large-size fitting rider, your saddle is between 12-20mm higher. So a frame designer who is paying attention will increase stack to keep the saddle-to-bar drop from becoming extreme. This would solve any hand-pressure you'd feel sitting on the bike (it would feel like your "normal" riding position). On this 185-size Last the stack is 640 (which is tall for a L frame), and that should increase to 650ish for a steeper STA. Again, if the frame designer is paying attention.
  • 6 1
 @mikekazimer: Disagree also with it being BS- BUT the steep angle is not for everyone. I am a 5'10" rider with Gorilla arms. The steeper seat angle makes complete sense for the long legged folks as pointed out here but for the longer armed dudes - it puts way too much weight on our hands. Agree that the steeper angles are great on the super steep sections - but I just scoot forward for those. The other 90 percent of the time I climb way better in the non-tri position.
  • 1 0
 It likely comes down to body type and proper stack setup. I’ve had steep seat angles for years on multiple nicolais and transitions, but extra weight on my hands has never been an issue. I’m 6’ tall with proportionate arm length, so I can understand people with different body types may not experience the same benefits. Also worth noting that, unlike triathlon bikes, long travel bikes like nicolai have lots of sag, and the effective seat angle slacks out a couple degrees while sitting on it.
  • 19 1
 Love the raw carbon Begone you heinous paint Weight weenies rejoice
  • 16 1
 Complaints: seat tube is too tall.
Able to fit the world's longest dropper post without issue.
  • 10 5
 Right, but my legs are fairly long for my height. I want everyone to be able to fit the longest dropper post possible, and lopping 10 - 20mm off that seat mast would help make this more likely.
  • 7 0
 240mm of OneUp says "ahem".
  • 5 24
flag conoat (Apr 15, 2022 at 12:36) (Below Threshold)
 @mikekazimer: what? you can't just "lop off the seat mast" on a bike like this. lmfao. you know better than that. shameful.

that seat mast height is set by the maximum insertion depth. which is dictated by layout of the sus. shortening the mast height will accomplish f*ckall. SMH
  • 9 0
 @mikekazimer: better mention the fact that the seat tube is straight and therefore offers lots of insertion depth.

The Speci Enduro has a 420 seattube in S3 but only ~20cm of insertion depth.
Or, especially in small sizes, the Trek Slash or many Giant/Livs where you often have to run a 125mm post.
  • 2 0
 One thing I've been wondering: with really low seats and long travel bikes, don't you get tire rub at bottom out?
  • 2 0
 @kanioni: That used to be a problem on dh bikes and early enduro bikes because of slack actual seat angles. Real world example; my 2022 patrol is setup with 180mm rear travel (cascade link), and it has a super short (430mm) seat tube, but I can still slam the seatpost all the way down for bike park days without the tire hitting it at bottom out. The steep seat angle solves that issue.
  • 11 0
 Bummer that's the last Tarvo. I would've been interested.
  • 9 1
 so a down-country bike designed to accommodate 160/170 suspension (I say that as a complement)
  • 4 0
 Thought it was an XC bike at first sight. Looks clean!
  • 8 2
 Without being sarcastic, I'm really wondering how long will that chain/seatstay last with that amount of travel considering that those are flexstay and the intended purpose of the bike.
  • 4 2
 Ive wondered about this too. Does the extra travel actually reduce stress on the stays, or add to it?
  • 10 0
 The stays don't flex all that much, they mainly push the rocker link. The change in angle should be only a few degrees regardless of travel.
  • 10 0
 Seems to me it should work pretty well. Fatigue life for composites is pretty excellent, so as long as they designed the max strain in that area to be low (which it sounds like they did, since they mention the flex is only a couple of degrees) then it should last just as long as the rest of the frame.
  • 16 0
 I just measured it in Autocad, max deflection is 0.87 degrees (moves up 7.9 mm), which happens mid-travel. By max travel there is zero deflection.
  • 3 0
 I have a feeling that is why it is so progressive. Probably couldn't accommodate a bigger rocker link that would make for a smaller change in leverage rate as there would be too much deformation in the seat stays to make it through fatigue tests. But just in case that isn't very obvious by now, i have no clue about any of that
  • 13 0
 Composites work brilliantly in applications where flex is desirable. We use carbon leaf springs in some of our robots at work. The compliance in the landing gear of some of our UAV’s is 100% due to its carbon structure. I believe we stopped the test once it surpassed the equivalent of 500,000 rough take off and landings at 300% of MTOW.
  • 3 0
 I live in the region were Last is located many locals own that bike never heard of a broken frame. Some of them ar hard rippers
  • 1 1
 @DavidGuerra: I wonder if this affects resistance to motion in the suspension. There must be some drawback, otherwise why have we been putting up with bearings back there this whole time ? Is this design a Horst link or does it become the equivalent of a single pivot ?
  • 1 0
 @preston67: Every flex stay bike I've owned had a spring effect at some point in it's travel. One bike had so much at top-out that it would sag slightly with just the bike weight.
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 @preston67: This is a single pivot with linkage-driven shock. The absence of a pivot above the rear axle makes no difference. Regarding the resistance, it might be too small to matter, but after the initial resistance the tension of the material is pushing down on the shock, which in theory could contribute to reduce progressivity. But, this is considering that the "resting" position of the seatstays/chainstays is at full shock extension. The zero deflection point might instead be at 25% sag (and 75%). In that case the material would flex in both directions, the maximum deflection would be 0.435 degrees, and since the deflection is so little it would make even less of a difference. Or, it does make a difference and the extra resistance at the last 25% of travel is adding to the progressivity!
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 @preston67: I wonder if part of it is a simulation/design constraint. I imagine designing a flex region that has the flex characteristics you want in an effective pivot while still being strong enough to hold up is non-trivial, particularly since structural simulations for composite parts with complex shapes is already tricky to begin with. There's also gotto be more uncertainty in how your suspension actually behaves compared to your simulation, as opposed to a design with a bunch of pivots that you can just put into Linkage and know more or less exactly how it's going to move. If the weight savings are minimal doing a flex stay compared to all pivots, it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of companies just don't want to bother with the added engineering hassle and cost.
  • 1 0
 I recently saw an aluminium bike with this same design. Unfortunately I can't recall which. The flex is so little that even a material that's not especially prone to bending (due to the extra thickness that's required) like aluminium can be used!
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 @DavidGuerra: Salsa Spearfish 2012 was aluminium and had flex pivots. (only 80mm though)

Owned one, no issues.
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 The Kona Hei Hei was a alloy flex stay.
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 @DavidGuerra: nice man. Appreciate the effort!
  • 3 0
 If you consider how much all kinds of flex every frame has during hard riding, I doubt this design makes much difference in reliability.
  • 3 0
 What bike manufacturer makes a bike designed for people who are 6'3"?? It's always right in between sizes which means large feels like a dirt jumper and xl is a cross country bike in seat tube height. It's surprisingly difficult to be not 6'6" or 6" exactly.
  • 3 0
 I'm slightly below 185cm, ride a previous generation Rallon in size XL whose every dimension is extremely similar to this 185 bike except for the 483mm seat tube, and I ride a 210mm dropper with 17mm to spare. It's true that I would have to reduce the travel of my dropper to 200mm be able to ride the 195 size, but is this the new standard now? You gotta be able to run the largest dropper on the next size bike above your recommended size? I think there's a risk of seatposts not being long enough with this trend, or not getting enough insertion.
  • 6 0
 Can you make a 177? That's how tall I am
  • 4 0
 dude you are only 2 off of 175. try being 180, where youre 5 off either
  • 4 0
 This bike isn’t cheap, but is a good deal for the cash. Also, sounds like a minor spec tweak or 2 (wheels and maybe coil) it’s a ripper.

Not gonna lie-I want one.
  • 1 0
 I'm sure it would be super nice with a coil! I wouldn't mind going back to a 31 lbs bike (with a coil)!! Big Grin
  • 4 0
 @mikekazimer 74 PSI Zeb seems super high for your weight. How did it feel. Same weight and height and I’m running 60 PSI.

Erik
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 Ah, good catch - that should have said 54 psi.
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 The two big mistakes -IMHO- here are: Air Shock with low volume chamber ( an X2 would be defintely be better, coil is the way to go... An EXT which is light, made in EU as the brakes) and a ZEB which to me is overkill (35mm or 36mm are just fine) and erases a bit of the weight advantage.
  • 8 3
 Looks like a Spur. Durocountry?
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 How much did it cost?

They gave it to me!
  • 3 0
 Super cool to begin to see boutique and high-end component brands as OE spec on builds. Trickstuff, EXT suspension, etc. Let the good times roll!
  • 3 0
 Thanks for this @mikekazimer! Now in addition to a Spire and an Arrival, I also want a Tarvo... (what a time to be riding bikes!)
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 @mikekazimer Is this the same frame as the recently released Asco & Celos as I’ve seen one or two people suggest? If so did you try it with a shorter stroke shock and fork? Would be interested to see how that would compare with your Spur. Or does it need a different rocker link?
  • 3 2
 I might get taken out back and offed for saying this, but I would not want my enduro bike to be 30 pounds. I wouldn't even want it 33. I think a lot of the stability and composure of my enduro bike comes from the weight. Obviously other things like good geo a good frame design (high pivot 4 bar). but at the end of the day I think weight is a huge contributor. don't believe me? go ahead and throw some burly wheels and dh casing tires on a mid travel trail bike and see how much more stable it feels.

Im not hating, I think it is insane and impressive that LAST as managed to keep it sub 30 with dd rear tire, but just voicing my personal opinion. feel free to tell me why I'm wrong.
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 Regarding the issue with the freehub, I wonder if the grease used was too heavy? I'm no expert on this, but I had 2 occasions where pawl springs broke, in my Pro M4 hub's freewheel. Was unsure of the reason, then started to suspect it might be due to the bog standard grease I'd used!

I'd heard of people using oils instead of grease, so I tried a few drops of Fox Gold fork oil. Freehub's been fine ever since, & is appropriately noisy, too!
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 I built mine earlier this year and after riding it for a couple of weeks in Finale I am sure this will be my main (enduro style) bike for the next 10 years at last. It's anything I want from a bike, looks beautiful and frankly is so much more capable than me...
  • 1 0
 "Making the distance between the pivots points bigger tends to smooth out the suspension curves and give smooth changes that can translate to suspension predictability when you’re out on the trails." It's been said tested and written before, why the hell do you set aesthetic so much more important than function? Same is for the Glen and the Celos. It's a shame because it's the "only" downsides on these bikes
  • 4 0
 lol my 115mm bike is 29 lbs.... with factory and XT.
  • 1 0
 My 180mm bike is 37 pounds with Saint.
  • 3 0
 I know a guy who swears on Last bikes. He and his wife are both into their second one and now I start to understand why ;o)
  • 1 0
 Been waiting for a a bike that makes a seamless line that connects from the top tube to the chain stay in a perfect line. Looks exquisite! ++ for the carbon down tube protector
  • 1 0
 See: Transition Spire and Sentinel.
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 @ohio: the spire, maybe? But it kinda breaks in the middle. This tarvo looks like it could be one literal piece. Like a hard tail lol
  • 1 0
 after buying one and still not having it delivered its more an nft than a bike. really frustating after paying 9000€ for it.
8 month waiting and counting. promised was 2 month ago
absolutely the last time for me
  • 1 0
 Nice to see the Air Chair roll on Galby getting some love. Side note, how come I don't look nearly this composed and handsome when I roll it?
  • 3 0
 that's cheap for a complete these days
  • 1 0
 Are flex stays here to...stay? Do you think well see them more and more on bikes? How flexy was it compared to your spur kaz?
  • 2 0
 That is my kind of bike. Lightweight enduro-type rig. Looks sick. I just would have made the cables shorter and cleaner. Wink
  • 4 1
 I would put a coil on it
  • 2 1
 Coil and some better wheels and this looks like a winner!!
  • 1 2
 Why do we insist on Frame storage in the middle of the downtube? I think its honestly ONE of the reasons i dont buy those bikes as its useless unless you used the supplied bag.
While intenses CHAD system get coverd in mud or whatever on the outside, its the best idea so far.

Also: yay anther bike in the market to split Customers again - Soon there will be so many brands each will only sell a 100 bikes a year.
  • 3 1
 Looks nice except the seat angle. I would never buy anything again with less than 77.5 effective and 72 actual.
  • 1 2
 The MTB industry is so disorganized and trend dependent. I'd love to see some legit market analysis on percentages of overall purchases per unit per price point. Then, how about some data on typical rider performance relative to that. What percentage of a person's yearly salary should they spend on their bike? At the end of the day you just can't buy improvements that outpace skill, ability, training, and mindset.
  • 2 0
 What's income got to do with priorities, and how many people really think they're buying skill vs. just a different, maybe more fun riding experience?
  • 1 2
 @mikekazimer are there any durability issues to look out for with flex stays, not to be all “i’m an engineer” my heads telling me there only a finite amount of flex before the stays would inevitably begin to weaken and glue/fibres begin to separate and crack, that’s without taking any impacts to a potentially vulnerable area.
  • 2 1
 My XL Fezzari La Sal Peak with a DHX2 and 170mm 36 with pedals was 30.61lbs. Not bad
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 You can never have too much progression. I'm glad most MTB manufacturers have seen the light and are making all of their bikes more progressive(except Orange). Gone are the days when the leverage curve looked like a roller coaster, and to those days, I say good riddance.
  • 11 2
 Yes. This. Stop with 19% on DH bikes, or 20% on enduro bikes, you just end up bottoming them on a 1m drop unless you run high pressures and stiff settings ...
  • 6 0
 @Ploutre: Agreed 100%. Progression for the people!
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 @Almazing, it's definitely possible to have too much progression. You're right, though, overall we're seeing a lot more consistent leverage curves.
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 Agree that it's good we've moved away from roller coaster curves, but what's the difference between frame-designed progression and just adding volume spacers or a progressive coil to the shock? Seems like a linear leverage frame is more flexible, because you can make the shock progressive but you can't make the shock regressive (I don't think?) so the frame's design really only sets the lower limit on progression.
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 @charliek22222: Personally, I find it harder to tune the rear shock on a linear rear suspension. Mainly because I'd be attempting to tune the shock to work well for its entire travel range, which is impossible. With very progressive suspension, you can run your normal sag, or maybe even more sag, but the mechanical progression of the rear suspension itself does most of the work at the end of travel. One thing to not is that mechanical progression built in on the bike is consistent. Very consistent. But relying on an air shock for bottom out resistance is not as consistent due to the environmental factors, friction, design, etc.

So in essence, I can tune a shock for off the top and mid stroke feel, while letting the bike handle the rest of the travel. With more progressive rear suspension designs, one might not need to stuff the larger volume spacer in to their air shock for shits and giggles anymore. And obviously, it works best for coil.

@mikekazimer Well, yea. I was just be facetious. There's a sweet spot for progression, but only a few MTBs have reached it.
  • 4 1
 Mate, Orange have literally just unveiled a linkage bike which has more progression.
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 @chakaping: Must've missed the press release. Glad they're seeing the light now too.
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 @mikekazimer: nice review Kaz! Wish you tried it with a coil as well, so we could get your impression on how that works. Very little info to find on this bike. It's stunning!
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 Depends on what kind of riding you do. I think in very technical, rocky terrain having too much progression can keep the bike from sagging/squating down when that may be beneficial. Probably some moderate progression that can be tuned to more progression with the shock is what most manufacturers are doing these days. Too little progression and the bike can feel kinda dead.
  • 4 5
 give me a pure linear kinematic and I am happy. then control bottom out with the shock(like EXT).
  • 2 0
 You can have too much, but agree that a lot of current bikes don’t have enough. I’m on a Reign 29 and the rear shock is all ate up with volume spacers-could still have more ramp.
  • 3 1
 The front brake cable is an eye sore
  • 2 0
 trickstuff brakes sooo nice man
  • 1 0
 Do Invisiframe do a wrap for downtube protectors? Guess I can make my own out of an old tire
  • 1 0
 My 2011 carbon Enduro weighed this much but it was 26" and was not ASTM 5. It cracked at the BB after 2 years.
  • 1 0
 Looks like an enduro spur. Beautiful. Still probably easier to get this bike in North America than the spur.
  • 1 0
 My 2017 S-Works Eduro, Medium, with a coil, and pedals, and Airliners inserts, weighs in at exactly 30lbs. All stock parts.
  • 2 0
 With EXO tires?
  • 1 0
 @gspottickles918: Yes, DHR and DHF, 2.8s
  • 1 0
 I had this same bike with out inserts and an air shock and it was 32 pounds on a good day what magic did you use to cut down the weight
  • 1 0
 I'm calling bullshit on the transition from winter to spring. It's still full-on winter here.
  • 2 1
 check out that seat mast!
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 Get a light enduro bike and be a dick about it.
  • 1 0
 then you put a ZEB on it an wish it had a coil shock
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 @SickEdit: or just coil it. If you’re laying out the cash-I’m sure you could get the build you want.

I’d coil it for sure.
  • 1 1
 Cable routing looks a bit sloppy to me, at least where it comes out of the head-tube?
  • 3 5
 You can build an enduro bike as light as a trail bike but it still won’t do ‘trail’ duty as well as a trail bike. The angles, travel, and tires just feel dead at slower speeds.
  • 9 1
 My 170mm bike IS my trail bike. DD tires, coil front and rear. Just pedal harder.
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 Pedaling harder doesn't match the fun level of a bike made for the trail your riding. 170mm is a blast... some times@JSTootell:
  • 2 0
 looks amazing.
  • 1 0
 Super cool, definitely the Last bike I'd buy!
  • 1 1
 What’s with all the words and pictures? I wish you just made a video of the review.
  • 1 0
 Says no one ever!
  • 1 0
 Mixed wheel size? 26 Front 29 rear? Hot Rod!
  • 1 0
 Did't know ZEB Ultimates have 5 clicks of HSC....
  • 1 0
 mohican. Next model should be called the Mohican.
  • 1 1
 I’m tryna figure out why seat tubes are still long
  • 1 0
 all gas, no brakes
  • 1 0
 also beauty of bike.
  • 1 0
 love my last glen 2019
  • 1 3
 I’m surprised they put XX1 cranks on that. Not rated for Enduro…

Anyway nice to see the review!
  • 4 0
 they fine tbh unless you smash the living fuck out of them
  • 4 0
 @XCplease: and even then! you should see my XX1 cranks after 2000mi, a million feet of descending and 5 different enduro races! they look like they have been doing meth for 45 years, but still pedal and perform perfectly!
  • 1 0
 @XCplease: Mine lasted about 5 weeks before a small root took the left arm completely off. Sram says to my inquiry “XX1 are not rated for Enduro” and “no, we dont sell just the left side as a replacement”

So, yeah, No. not going there.. x01 from now on
  • 1 0
 @Ferd: so you smashed the f*ck out of them...
people like @conoat have had them for a long time and put them through a lot and they still perform fine
I prefer hollowgrams tho
  • 1 0
 @Ferd: so you smashed the f*ck out of them
User error retard
  • 1 0
 @XCplease: hey a*shole, nice to you again. How’s that spandex?

user error or not, Sram said “you should be using X01, because then I could help you out”
  • 1 0
 @Ferd: if you smash the f*ck out of them they will break
  • 1 0
 @XCplease: oh really? Wow. Now I see! FFS
  • 1 3
 snap crackle pop last tarvo
  • 5 8
 Years go by and I still hate "flex stays" etc.
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 Why do you hate them?
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 @DavidGuerra: because I don't believe in the in the long term.
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 @EnduroriderPL: And do you base this belief in anything specific? The flex is rather reduced, and in fact the seatstays and chainstays flex more by hard riding alone, in berms, rugged terrain etc.
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 @DavidGuerra: as I wrote before I don't believe in flex-whatever in long term. All of marketing is based on some cycles of use and usally they say "we did it, it was boring and we think it will be ok so shut up and gave us your money"

I will take weight panelty for normal pivot instead of thinking when the material will so tired that it will let go.
  • 2 0
 @EnduroriderPL: Take the penalty if you wish, but that won't happen. And flex in bikes is not a matter of you believing in it or not - it happens, even on the stiffer designs. If you see slow-mo footage of DH riding in fast, technical sections you will be alarmed at the angles the rear wheel gets into. Surely a few degrees, it seems to me, while the flexstays of this bike flex less than half a degree to do the full travel.
  • 1 1
 @DavidGuerra: I'm not talking about bike flexing because we all know that is a fact. I'm referring only to replacing pivot with flexing material. For me it's not worth it. I don't want to change rear triangle if I can swap just bearings.
  • 2 0
 @EnduroriderPL: You're looking at fatigue as a given but look at leaf springs for instance, they will flex indefinitely for all practical purposes, fatigue will only happen due to excessive cargo. With 0.5 degrees of flex, whether it's spread through the entire seatstays or focused on a specially designed point, fatigue is not to be expected. Well that's the premise of the bike, but you are of course free to distrust it.
  • 1 1
 @DavidGuerra: leaf spring do fail and need replacing. It's just a matter of time. Time will tell if fatigue will be present on that bike.
  • 3 0
 @EnduroriderPL: that isn't how the material properties of carbon work though. aluminum? yes...it fatigues. carbon, steel and Ti all have the ability to flex infinitely with zero degradation so long as it doesn't pass a plasticity threshold.
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