Four years ago we were busy analyzing
photos shot on a potato of Tahnee Seagrave's prototype Canyon Sender, and here we are again with an early look at what's likely the next iteration of that downhill machine.
This time around, the photo aren't as blurry, but the increasingly ubiquitous bike diaper is in place, shielding the exact suspension design from view. One thing is clear, though – the bike looks to use a high pivot suspension layout, with the idler pulley located above the front chainring, just behind the center of the bottom bracket. It also appears that there's a bearing around the rear axle, a departure from the Horst Link layout used on the current Sender.
Rather than being a rough aluminum prototype, the bits of the bike that are exposed are carbon fiber, suggesting that this will be unveiled sooner than later, at least underneath Canyon's World Cup racers. The World Cup kicks off at Fort William on May 3rd, so hopefully we'll be able to get the full scoop by the time racing begins. It'll be interesting to see if Canyon has integrated their KIS steering stabilizer system into the frame, since last year we saw Troy Brosnan using the spring-loaded device zip-tied to his top tube.
It's also worth mentioning that this new bike has an idler
and and O-Chain active spider, which theoretically shouldn't be required, since the idler eliminates the influence of chain growth, the issue that the O-Chain was designed to deal with in the first place. Maybe there's a secondary benefit to the device - some riders have mentioned that it helps
minimize chain slap, but it's also possible the team simply wanted the build to remain sponsor-correct.
older one more edges.
I've always liked Shimano brakes but the wandering bite point is very annoying. I've now changed to a shigura set up. Xt levers with mt7 calipers. By far the best set up I've had. Masses of power with a consistent bite point.
Althought only been 5ft 6 ISH a mullet would of been better. Had to limit my post drop to stop seat buzz. I also wander what cornering would be link with a mullet set up. Not enough to change bikes tho. I can see me rising this one for yrs now, or untill it breaks and I take advantage of the amazing warranty Santa Cruz offers. A V2 megatower with frame storage would be good
Also speaking only for myself, to each their own.
Now I have people trying to Make photos of my bike with a Potato...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=grNUgu0H9YA&t=2s
situations where the wheel would locked and the suspension would be compressing at the same time are pretty usually would generally amount to some kind of panic braking. Not something that’s happening continuously over the course of a ride.
The point is most people say they immediately notice a difference with an Ochain as soon as they hit the trail. I’m not doubting they do, but if they are cruising down the trail it can’t be because it’s reducing kickback or ‘decoupling’ the suspension, because that’s not happening while riding at any type of speed. As the other commenter pointed out, what the ochain likely does is dampen the feeling of the chain pulling as it slaps up and down.
If the idea behind all this was always the idea of the "chainless feel", instead of taking the chain of the bike, remove the pawls from the freehub. This would effectively completely decouple the suspension from the pedals the same as removing the chain.
Then test the bike with no pawls in the hub (but leaving the chain on) vs the bike with no chain. I have a feeling the bike with the chain still on will feel noticeably rougher than the one with no chain, although both have the cranks completely disengaged. Then you would know exactly how much of the roughness comes from the suspension forces and how much comes simply from the chain bouncing around.
www.vitalmtb.com/forums/The-Hub,2/2020-MTB-Tech-rumors-and-innovation,10797?page=253
Don't believe me? Just ask Loris Vergier:
www.vitalmtb.com/photos/features/pit-bits-1-world-champs-2023/loris-vergiers-trek-session
if you claim that you can feel a difference with an ochain on a high pivot bike, I'd suggest you also invest in some homeopathic remedies while you're at it.
No dampening stickers for me, but I will attest that the o-chain, makes my high pivot Session feel better in a straightline through rough chunder and under heavy breaking points in the steeps. No adverse effects noted.
Why don't you bring it up with the world's fastest racers to discuss further? I'm sure you would change Loris' mind using your supreme logic and facts!
I've A/B'd it on my session and it's a bit better... I'd say 5% improved in certain situations. No noted downsides. But I'm sure Waterloo Ontario provides the ultimate testing grounds for DH, so what do I know?!
m.pinkbike.com/news/review-forbidden-dreadnought.html
Neko Mulally, huge idiot:
www.worldwidecyclery.com/blogs/worldwide-cyclery-blog/o-chain-spider-explained-reviewed-by-neko-mulally
Paul Aston is drinking the Kool-Aid too:
astonmtb.com/product/customcommencal-supreme-fully-tuned-any-frame-size
So is TFR:
racing.trekbikes.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/TFR-Wednesday-Val-di-Sole-RB-214-1000x0-c-default.jpg
More idiots:
m.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=235756
O-chain absolutetly works. If it didn't, you wouldn't see half the WCDH field using them. The benefits get a bit fuzzier on idler-equipped bikes, however I can tell you that in MY experience, the o-chain provides an improvement on the HP Session. Given that TFR is also using repping o-chain on their race bikes, it would appear that I am not just some kool-aid guzzling kook.
On the flipside, it's you who seems to be the band-waggoner here... Have you A/B'd an idler equiped DH bike with an o-chain? Or are you blindly follwing the gospel of some dude on pinkbike with some fancy words and a computer program?
With that said I think some people assume that an idler eliminates all chain growth. But it’s really dependent on the placement of the idler in relation to the pivot and it’s not usually fully eliminated. So even if you believe the ochain helps with kickback, that would still apply to high pivot bikes.
Exactly! My previous Commencal Supreme v4 had quite a bit of feedback through pedals (or whatever you want to call it) under heavy braking in steeps. It's not like the presence of an idler autmatically elimates all those forces. Does an idler reduce these forces? Yes, but they arent necessarily erased.
The HP Session has something like 9 degrees of pedal kick back. The older model lower pivot Session had something like 25+ degrees.
www.pinkbike.com/photo/20406540
I'm running my o-chain on 6 degrees and notice a subtle improvement on my bike.
"The Superior is a white-skinned, white-fleshed, mid-season variety." Ok then
Lot's of HP riders run an o-chain, myself included. Yes it makes a difference. Perhaps less than other bikes, but it certainly improves performace by a couple %'s.
Might want to adjust your wording as it insinuates that o-chain doesn't affect any HP bike....
www.vitalmtb.com/photos/features/pit-bits-1-world-champs-2023/loris-vergiers-trek-session