State Bicycle Co Release Affordable Entry-Level Fat Bike

Nov 23, 2023
by Jessie-May Morgan  
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State Bicycle Co has released the 6061 Trail+ Fat Bike, retailing at just $999.99 USD. That's almost half the price of entry-level models from Trek, Fezzari, Kona and Giant. It's also $300 USD cheaper than Rocky Mountain's most affordable Blizzard, and $300 USD cheaper than the Surly Wednesday at its current sale price.

At such an attractive price point, it would be foolish to expect a boundary-pushing geometry, or cutting-edge components. So, do manage your expectations here.


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As the name suggests, State's offering runs a 6061 aluminum frameset. Floatation over the snow is delivered by reasonably high-volume 26" x 4.5" tires, though many of the aforementioned models run 27.5" wheels for even better rollover capabilities. State has gone with Kenda Juggernaut tires, which appear to have a less aggressive tread pattern than some, putting rolling resistance over bite.

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Tektro cable-operated disc brakes of the two-finger variety take care of speed management. It's an interesting choice of spec, given the freezing risk presented by sub-zero conditions, especially if under-maintained. Taking care of forward propulsion is a 9-Speed Shimano Altus drivetrain, with a clutch-less derailleur.

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The State 6061 is available in four sizes; S-XL, said to accommodate riders from 5ft 2" up to 6ft 4". Reach numbers are short, even in the context of other fat bikes, ranging from 409mm to 443mm. The head tube angle is a conservative 71°, with the seat tube at 73°.

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Riders looking to fully load their bike for shopping trips could be well accommodated, thanks to the mounting points for a rear rack, but those with ambitions of longer bike packing missions will want to consider other options. There are only two sets of bottle bosses on the front triangle, and the aluminum fork is completely bereft of mounting points. Sure, there are various hacks for mounting cages to forks that are sans bosses, but they are invariably less well-refined solutions with limited weight capacity.

Sure, it's not the most versatile fat bike out there, but the value for money is hard to contest. And, if it's the difference between getting out for a pedal, and not getting out for a pedal...

State Bicycle Co is a consumer-direct brand, shipping bicycles that are 90% assembled. The brand does offer a five-year warranty on all bicycle frames, so long as the owner is able to provide proof of professional assembly.

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  • 160 0
 Fat bikes are not dead, we’re just niche riders up in northern Minnesota and the snow belt. We groom a good majority of our single track all winter long to keep the fun going.

In the silent snow covered woods of winter the sound of snow squeaking under your tire at zero degrees with the frost hanging on the bare branches of a Birch trees on a morning ride follow by a good hot sauna afterwards. Thats a nice place.

If you’re going to live where winter buries you in snow you have to have an outdoor hobby or you come to hate it, be it far bikes, xcountry skiing, snowmobile, ice fishing what ever.
  • 18 0
 I had the chance to go snow biking in the Lebanon Hills near Minneapolis a few years ago. Trails fully groomed by an even fatter tyred motorcycle so you could see the road ahead clearly. Had a huge amount of fun. I felt pretty intrepid hauling a fat bike around in -20 deg C, until I got trounced by a guy in lycra, twice on the same loop! Can't justify one over here in the UK though
  • 27 0
 Speaking for all of Canada… I see you, @Wanaber. I see you.
  • 15 0
 Fatbiking is alive and well in eastern Ontario and western Quebec. Given how short the season is, a budget bike makes a lot of sense especially if its upgradeable over time.
  • 13 1
 Down in the desert, fat bikes rule the sand
  • 12 0
 Word. People tend to view fatbikes negatively here, but they're fun and a great way to keep riding, or moving in general, if you live in a place with real winters. 100x better than hitting the rollers in the basement. Pedalling out alone on snowy trails, crossing frozen streams and ponds and forging your own path, in the absolute silence of the snowy forest... Pretty special. My ICT also gets racked up in the summer, great bike for getting groceries with the kids when it isn't in snowy mountain bike mode.
  • 15 0
 I own a shop down in Southern California and I have a group of customers who bought fat bikes and explore all the sand washes around Palm Springs in the winter. I think there are little pockets of fat bikers everywhere. It’s really cool the uses people come up with for these.
  • 4 0
 It’s extremely popular here in Utah.
  • 4 0
 @shandtke: just barely eclipsed by skiing
  • 3 6
 @conv3rt:
Sorry bud, no fat bikers here on the west coast. I'll be riding my regular bike all winter long.
  • 1 2
 @conv3rt:
Don't mean to rub it in. haha.
  • 4 0
 @JefWachowchow: I live near that trail. If you happened upon one of the LCR team riders, those folks are *fast* and you should feel unbothered as the rest of us are mere mortals. The snow conditions do not turn all of us into superhero strength!
  • 6 0
 Being out in the forest, after dark, without any trail grooming, -15C and loosing your bearings for a minute… That’s a nice place.
  • 4 0
 @JefWachowchow: Leb gang unite. It's a nice little set of trails - we don't all live in the PNW!
  • 2 0
 @JefWachowchow:

Bought my Cube Nutrail back in 2016, converted to 1x11, Saints, dropper and 4.8 Maxxis FBF & FBR. It's been to Fort William, Glencoe (crashed & burned on the red!), Coed Y Brenin, Chicksands, Cannock Chase, Schladming bike park. I'm not exactly Danny Hart on it, but it's still fun at my level. Has also been ridden in the snow and on sand over here.
  • 5 0
 @notthatfast: Lots in the interior of BC.
  • 2 0
 I borrowed a Salsa Bucksaw years ago as a demo from my LBS while my bike was under the weather. I had an absolute blast riding it in little pocket of SoCal. I live in "Horsetown USA" with soft packed horse trails everywhere and a sandy riverbed.

If my budget allowed, I would totally have an N+1 fat bike for when I don't want to adventure far or fast, just riding in the hood.
  • 1 4
 @michaelasnider:
But none on the coast Smile
  • 2 0
 @notthatfast: Until you more North.....
  • 1 0
 @RegularCyclesLLC: I didn't feel bad. We were just out for giggles, and not being used to that climate, trying to keep the stay warm enough but not get sweaty balance right. I was just impressed. He got cheered both times he passed us.
  • 2 0
 @intelligent-goldfish: I live in UK but my head office is in Minneapolis. Fortunate to have a couple of colleagues over there that ride and they always look after me when I visit. Some cool LBC's in the city too.
  • 3 0
 I also happen to live in a place where fat biking is a very strong niche. But not snow, it's a combination of big sand dunes, beaches, and lots of rainfall. The ground is relatively firm year-round. It's fantastic.

Florianopolis/Brazil.
  • 2 0
 True that! I live in a ski town and hall the people here moan and complain once it starts snowing. Its a ski town, what do you expect? Move if you don't like it. Oh yeah and we have great groomed fat bike trails too!
  • 1 0
 @JSTootell: n+1 for sure. You’re right i also have low land and swaps around. The floatation on soft ground is so nice.

Surly intergalactic headquarters in Bloomington Minnesota has the Mississippi River bottoms out it’s back door soft loose sand left behind when the mighty Mississippi recedes from spring high waters. I’m sure that was one of the impetuses for the Pugsley OG.
  • 2 0
 @Kiltymac: Yeah I had the same fatbike for 6 years! I bought a new Norco frame (700$ in 2017) and put 11speed XT, DT 350 with sunringlé rims, oneup bar and dropper post, bud&lou etc. A good bike that cost me around 2200$ (CAD) but was value more at like 3000$ when comparing with new complete bikes. Too expensive for me, for the short period of time we can ride those. Then all the 4-5-6000$ carbon fatbikes started to be cool...wayyyy to much money for a bike without any technology, the same thing as roadbikes for me! If you can buy a not too expensive fatbike with good rear hub, tires and dropper post for winter, you're good to have a loottt of fun!!

Then after 6 years, I was loving it so much that I decided to build a realll custom bike, like I do for my mtn bikes! RSD frame but with an Mastodon fork (heavy but now can ride it 4 seasons, as I only have a big enduro bike for summer), light carbon wheels (mainly to switch summer/winter tires easily), etc. It was expensive but I love fatbiking as much as mtn biking (when not too cold lol). All that to say that you don't need a super expensive bike to have a looott of fun during winter! Smile What an addictive sport!!
  • 1 0
 Still plenty of us riding them here in Steamboat Springs, Colorado. It's a great way to stay in shape and stay outside all winter!
  • 3 0
 @Kiltymac:

And covered in salt on the drive home. My fat bikes (wifey and mine) are where our summer drive trains go to ease into retirement
  • 1 0
 @bhuckley: in university I had a beater bike I rode all winter. The drive train lasted one winter. When possible I put my bikes inside my van year round.
  • 47 2
 State Bicycle has tried this idea before and generally flopped at it. They even tried a steel frame singlespeed fat one time, because that's what entry level riders want... a single hard gear when trying to pedal across a soft surface with extra rolling resistance that takes more effort.

As for the geometry, 71/73 is very out-dated for a fat bike angles and the top tube length and reach numbers are also similarly out of date for the frame sizes.Most likely they lucked into a batch of frames someplace that the manufacturer couldn't sell to anyone else.

As to the components, one of the worst rolling fat tires and one of the cheapest groupsets they could get (as Shimano is dumping Alivio due to excess inventory now that their new Cues lineup is getting all the big brand OEM attention). But they don't identify what the dropout spacing is and that's an important consideration when it comes to longterm fat bike ownership. Its obvious they're QR open dropouts but what's the spacing ? Is it 170/135, 190/135, 190/150 ? And what's the BB shell width of the frame ? What chainline is it designed for ? It looks an awful lot like a repainted version of the defective On One Fatty Trail frames that had the 170mm dropout spacing but the chainline was that of a 190 bike, and the chain stays were so wide that very few cranksets fit properly (SRAM Fat cranks don't, the arms smack the stays). And square taper BB and cranks at this price point is ridiculous.

Finally I get to commenting about the price tag... the Rocky Blizzard for $300 more gives you modern slack fat geometry, 27.5 wheels, a 10 speed Deore group with clutch derailleur, tubeless ready Sun Mulefut 80 wheelset, tubeless ready and studdable Terrene Cake eater tires that roll better and provide more traction than those Kenda Juggernauts, 197/150 thru axle dropouts, a proper external bearing crankset & BB and is a whole lot more fun bike to ride. And there are cheaper options that are at least as well equipped available in North America from Mongoose so I fail to see why anyone would even consider this model from State Bicycle. The Dolomite ALX (which is essentially identical to the Argus Trail listed on the Mongoose website except for the paint color) is available from Walmarts USA for $598USD and when Walmart Canada had them in stock last they were $598 CAD. For that you get a 135/190 spacing 6061 alloy frame and fork, similar wheels, better rolling and lighter tires, a microshift 2x8 drivetrain with a better gearing range (but they're easily converted to 1x setups as its a HG spline freehub body on the rear), slightly more modern geometry, and you save $400, which is plenty enough to have a bike store mechanic go over the assembly if you're not mechanically inclined enough to do it yourself. Or get the bike delivered in the box to your door and assemble it yourself.
  • 9 7
 This is not intended for most "hardcore" Mt bikers. Is an easy to own bike. The QR's are not great but if you never upgrade your wheels they are fine. Believe it or not, but geometry is not everything. This frame will allow you to upgrade the brakes, add studded tires, add a dropper post, play with the gearing and use the bike for a very long time. All the details you describe are important for upgrading, but if you just want to ride in the snow on a fatbike this will get you there without breaking the bank or endangering your marriage.
  • 14 3
 This is almost a dang book.
  • 5 13
flag everythingsucks FL (Nov 23, 2023 at 7:09) (Below Threshold)
 @generictrailrider: all for a bike which @deeeight clearly isn’t the target demographic. Reads more like he has an axe to grind.
  • 3 0
 @Sscottt: Insofar as you can add a dropper post to any bike, yeah sure. However this one lacks a hole for internal dropper routing.
  • 7 1
 @barp: for a $1000 bike, I’d be willing to drill the hole myself
  • 6 0
 this bike is what? 1000 USD? You can buy exactly the same specs Northrock ( Giant ) at my local Costco for 800 CAD. The rims and tires are equally shit, but this is not bike you will be upgrading.

I was looking at similar options when I was looking with idea of getting into winter biking, I am glad I spend 2,5 times on a Trek Farley 5 because I got at least 2,5 times better bike Big Grin

Also - if you are thinking of biking in the winter, just do it Big Grin
  • 2 0
 @Hayek: Haha, fair enough!
  • 4 10
flag sanchofula (Nov 23, 2023 at 13:57) (Below Threshold)
 Wow dude, that’s a lot of typing … maybe use that energy for a ride Wink
  • 4 1
 @sanchofula: he actually has a valid point, cheap bikes are cheap for a reason, and lot of people might think they are getting a good value here, it might be the case depending on how you are using a bike, but for MTB use case this is not a good deal.

You should use your energy to become a better person rather than trashing someone trying to help. Your mom agrees with me Big Grin
  • 3 1
 @Sscottt: Its intended to get people into fat biking and it fails in most respects to be a good entry point to doing it. My 2011 Salsa Mukluk has more progressive geometry than this, and clears a 26 x 4.4 tire with a 1x drivetrain. The used bike market across North America is just saturated with good options the past couple years as people who bought during pandemic lockdown measures discovered they didn't enjoy fat biking enough once they could go to gyms / fitness centers again during the winter, and are now dumping their fat bike purchases. I found an immaculate 2016 Trek Farley 5 which again, way better equipped than this 2023/24 model, and way better geometry, for $800 CAD to be the "entry level" one of my best friends requested I help him locate, in order to try out fat biking himself.

Also because STATE omits so many important details on the bike from their website and also weren't included in this review, we don't know how easy or hard upgrades might actually be. If the seattube isn't 30.9 or 31.6 for example, fitting a dropper isn't going to be an easy peasy thing to do. Like the author of the review couldn't even be bothered to take a tape measure to tell us while she had the bike in her possession, or remove the seat post and read the diameter printed on it to include in her write-up.
  • 2 1
 @everythingsucks:

Given that I'm the guy who wrote the extensive original reviews of the Northrocks and other the sub-$1000CAD Fat bikes which are held up as the reference bibles for modifications by people across Canada and the USA, I know a thing or two about what makes a fat good for the entry level rider, and for the money, these aren't a good choice. Maybe during the pandemic shortages 2 years ago they might have been viable at the price point, but not going into the winter of 2024 when there are so many better options both new and on the used market (like FB Marketplace or here on Pinkbike in the buy-sell section).
  • 3 0
 @Sscottt: geometry IS everything
  • 2 0
 @deeeight: it isn’t a review, its commentary on a product announcement, she’s seen as much info on the bike as you have
  • 3 0
 Borealis Crestone is actually in the 70s for HTA as well. And has great reviews. I have the Blizzard, and at 66HTA it works just fine to have it slacker, and obviously is better for summer trail riding. But, in the winter, a little extra front wheel traction is not a bad thing. I do have to agree though, the price for an A10 Blizzard on sale is almost the same as this, and many times better, in terms of futureproofing.
  • 5 1
 This guy fats.
  • 2 0
 @Hayek: But you can’t use a dropper on that frame anyway. A rider who needs - if we take the largest size as an example - a 443mm reach, will, with a giant 530mm seattube, have no room whatsoever to drop the saddle.
  • 43 1
 Why does the price point matter for geometry? It's free.

(unless you use the absolute cheapest, crappiest old cataloge frame you could find of course)
  • 18 0
 Probably that's the case
  • 4 10
flag onawalk (Nov 23, 2023 at 7:27) (Below Threshold)
 So you asked a question you clearly know the answer to, good on ya
  • 4 0
 Its probably a factory catalog bike, so custom geo was probably more.
  • 5 0
 It’s gotta be some old stock cuz that geo, even for a fat bike, is waaay outta date.

$1000 for a crap package is still $1000, probably better off buying a nice used fat bike or some XC gear.
  • 3 6
 This is the biggest naive misconception regularly propogated by Pinkbike editors. Sure geometry is free but it's only free to the designers. You dont sell a budget bike with good geo. You sell an expensive bike with good geo. You want good geo you pay more as you ar likely more informed and more experienced and are therefore likely to pay more anyway for your bike. Its pretty basic economics and business sense. Its either pretty naive or idealistic to suggest otherwise.
  • 9 0
 @puukkopedro: Reality check - Compare the direct to consumer $999 State fat bike against a $1299 Rocky Mountain Blizzard. The Rocky does cost a bit more, but standards and geo are thoroughly modern, every single component is better, the bike is about 5 pounds lighter, and it comes professionally assembled and supported by your local dealer.

So, yeah, good geometry truly is free.

If the State were charging $600 (which is much closer to what it is actually worth), you might have a point. At $999 plus shipping, there are better options.
  • 1 0
 @nnowak: To be fair, thats 30% more, and if you are shopping on a budget, there arn't many bikes that touch the State at $999 new. However... if you go used you can likely get something nicer with a few miles on it for the same price.
  • 1 0
 @dmackyaheard: State charges about $50 for shipping a bike. The actual price difference between the State Fat Bike and a RM Blizzard is only $250. The biggest problem with the State is that it is priced far too close to a "real" bike, but the spec's are really no better than a $500 Walmart special.
  • 2 0
 @nnowak: I understand the argument to get the RM Blizzard (I am about to buy one myself), but I also see the point of the State at its price point. Also, its on Black Friday for $899 right now, which I imagine will return as a sale later in the winter as well. In terms of quality, I would say State bikes are way better than Walmart. I had one of their Klunkers, and while the fit n finish wasn't as nice as some others, its alot better than department store.
  • 29 0
 When's the huck to the fat test?
  • 27 2
 It's been said 100 times before... Geometry is FREE. A 71* HTA and 443 reach in an XL is absurd. Color looks good though...
  • 14 5
 I kinda think on fatbikes you can appreciate old geo more. You're seated a lot, going slow, probably on flatter terrain. I mean, some people wanna rip trails and do jumps and hit dirt etc on their fatbike, but I think a lot of people are just doing chill XC loops on their fatbike and not riding like it's summer. Slack seat tube is nice when you don't have a dropper as the bike feels less up your ass. All this said, I kinda hate fatbiking.
  • 5 3
 Just because something has been said incorrectly several times, does not in fact, make it true. Slate is just using an off the shelf design, which of course makes it cheaper. Any changes to that design, are going to make it more expensive. Just like purchasing a bike with custom geo, is going to make it more expensive. If its a design youre going to use several thousand times, over several years, economy of scale can bring that price down, but thats not likely the case with a fat tire bike...
  • 8 0
 @jesse-effing-edwards: 71 is insane though. 68-69 degrees is really lively on flatter trails and still feels good on gnarlier stuff
  • 4 0
 @nfontanella: In spring I sold my old (9 years) geometry fat bike with a 71 degree head angle. I replaced it with a new fat bike that has a 68 degree head angle.

The difference between the 2 bikes is night and day. I sure don’t miss the ol’ beast that was nervous as heck and not much fun to ride down anything challenging.
  • 5 1
 @gdharries: Ok fine, it sucks! haha (don't ride these damn things anyway). I just feel like I've ridden fat bikes years back and it wasn't the geo holding me back, it was the dumb snow everywhere and fat ass tires, ahhaha
  • 2 0
 @onawalk: They could go off the shelf and NOT be obsolete geometry.
  • 5 0
 @jesse-effing-edwards: no, i have a new blizzard c50 and had a farley 9.6. The new geo compliments the fat tires way more.

No stupid self steer, The slack steering makes it go straight. The vertical seatpost keeps it from being a wheelie king up hills.
  • 2 0
 @jesse-effing-edwards: I think this is a bit of a misconception on fat bikes: HA, rake angle and tire diameter play a really big roll in just how (un)intuitive fatbike steering can be. Compared to my MTB, my fatbike has a 68deg HA, some rake (just eyeballing it), 4.9 inch width tires and a metric ton of rotational inertia when riding with spikes. When leaning the bike into a turn the front wheel wants to tuck in even more and I have to give pressure on the handlebars like I want to counter steer. It feels bizarre after a summer on the mtb. If I'm riding on rutted ice (old ski tracks) the handles bars want to squirm around so much that they feel like they are alive. It might just be me but when booking it down a trail that is alternating between ice, snow and pockets of slush, I would definitely appreciate stability over playfulness. I'm just not sure the recipe for stability on a fatbike is the exact same as on an MTB.
  • 1 0
 @gdharries: my 12 year old Salsa Mukluk has a 1 degree slacker head angle than this thing from State, longer top tube (in the same 19 inch "large" frame size), shorter chainstay length, same fork offset but longer fork length, a lower BB drop and lower standover height. The soon to be 8 year old Salsa Blackborrow I'm building up for this winter, is a half degree slacker than my Mukluk in Head Angle but otherwise pretty similar #s which again are more progressive than the State. The new Salsa Heyday is another half degree slacker (now at 69) and still at 73 for the seat angle.
  • 1 0
 @deeeight: Of course they could, but that would increase the price, you see that right?
they likely get a good deal on this frame, and have some cheap parts to throw at it, to flog some fat bikes for winter.
Theres nothing obsolete about the geo, dont be so dramatic, you can literally go and pedal this bike all day if youd like.
  • 1 0
 @deeeight: wild, you mean different bikes, do in fact have different geo, fancy that
  • 17 0
 If you live in a cold snowy climate a fatbike is a great way keep riding year round. Here in Newfoundland we get an extra 3 months of riding on groomed trails each winter. That sure beats being indoors on a trainer or (shudders) a Peloton.
  • 12 0
 or my winter activity: moping at the front window, whining and waiting for spring.
  • 3 0
 here in Alberta, I used to snowboard and hike, but most of the season now snow conditions are shit, which makes it perfect for fat biking. Also, my bike cost about 3 - 4 weekends of ski resort tickets Big Grin
  • 3 0
 @plyawn: get out to Canmore Nordic Center. Rent their RM Blizzard, rush to the LBS and get a fatbike... you will be exited for next winter Big Grin
  • 2 0
 Yeah, I used to snowboard here in Quebec but got bored of having so much ice (warmer, sometimes we have rain in January, February..) so now I just buy a ticket if we have a big snowstorm, otherwise the fatbike is 100% more fun!! Plus now I don't have that mtn bike disease of whining and only thinking about spring! I even feel sad when the snow is melting because I would like to ride more in those perfect 2/-5 C degres, sunny, spring days!!
  • 9 0
 26" wheels are Not dead!!! Hahaha
Jokes aside, glad to See fatbikes still, but prefer 27.5/29" for Real World biking, Not only city Powers.
Shocked by the fact that a hardtail with shimano altus and shitty mecanic brakes at 999$ on a directtoconsumer brand and still Considered a bargain..
I'd better Buy a Surly for that price, much better Retail value and company ethics
  • 6 0
 $999 for a new Surly? Frame only maybe?
  • 3 0
 And steeeeeel, miss my Pug Ops massively- such a great bike
  • 8 1
 @droppedthelimes: i rather Buy a second hand Surly than a new bike like that for the same Price, Man...
  • 1 0
 Surly Wednesday comes with Avid BB5's and a modern 12 speed. Steel is real. Glad to see other options out there though
  • 1 0
 26 fat tire is prob larger than 27.5' in diameter. my 27.5' fattires are massive, probably larger than my regular 29' ers
  • 1 0
 @droppedthelimes: 30% off completes and framesets until December 11th, part of their global fat bike day celebration. That puts the complete Wednesday at $1299USD (and its frameset at $559) and for that money you get a nice butted 4130 chromoly frameset, SRAM SX Eagle 12 speed and Avid BB-5 mechanical disc brakeset, SX Dub Fat Crankset, 15x150 front and 12x177 rear thru axle spacing and wheelset built with Novatec hubs and Surly M.O.B.D. tubeless ready rims, and the tires are Surly Nate TLR 26 x 3.8s (but the frameset will clear up to 26 x 5.25 or 29 x 3.0), 69HA/73.5SA, longer toptube and reach #s than the State, better standover clearance, better warranty, the headtube is 44mm cup sized so easily converted for a tapered fork if you want to run a suspension fork in the non-snow months.
  • 9 0
 Around these parts, its pretty much required if you want to ride year round... come late November, ditch the trail bike and haul out the fat bike... suffer through a few weeks of mud/no snow... Then once there is enough snow and stuff can be groomed its absoltuley epic. Given the good deals to be had right now; I don't know why anyone would bother with such a crappy geo bike... You can score a base model Norco or Rocky with good geo for around that right now with a better parts kit
  • 2 0
 Just picked up a Bigfoot 3 for $1100 at the lbs
  • 11 0
 Two wheel drifting fatbikes down steep trails with drifts of snow inside the berms is actually more fun than anything.
  • 2 0
 Oh yeahh!!!! I am always sad when mtn bike season ends, don't want snow and cold temp to arrive, but once the fat season is started, oh mannn it is so much fun! Every spring is the same thing, I don't want the snow to melt and am sad of the ending of the best time for fatbiking!! Frown
  • 6 0
 I bought an entry level fatbike last winter, and while it's not as much fun as summer riding, it's way better than I anticipated. The same trails in winter on a FB are completely different: off-camber roots no longer an issue but even moderate steeps much more challenging.
I have these Tektro mech brakes and they work as well in the cold as the warm, which is to say not great in any condition, but don't seem to be affected by the cold. The cheap freehub is a different story; I've had two freeze up and then shred the pawls under load. Of course these cheap wheelsets have integrated hubs too, so after 2 under warranty I expect I'll be paying for the next one. Also the thought of buying a new set of tires is a little scary - I should start looking for deals now.
  • 1 0
 re: tires
As long as you keep the pavement riding to a minimum, stay on snow, and don't air them down too low, preventing sidewall damage, fat bike tires will last many winters. The not airing them down too low can be a costly lesson.
  • 1 0
 @dlford: Yep, very few fat bike tires are designed/constructed to be ridden at less than 5psi and that comes back to haunt many owners who never bothered to look at the pressure rating on the sidewall.
  • 1 0
 You only need good tires, rear hub and dropper post for having max fun on a fatbike! I had a super cheap one for 2months, then built a real one (not too expensive but perfect parts that never broke) and it was a game changer!! Bud & Lou tires with homemade screws were ''cheap'', a DT 350 rear hub and 180mm OneUp dropper post was a must for those icy, spicy, situations were you can be as low as possible! Depends what type of trails you are riding too... but yeah, a 350 rear hub is a must! Never touched it in 6years while you hear everyone complain about their hubs, even Hope and I9 ones sometimes! I had my old summer Guide RSC which were PERFECT for winter as you don't want powerful brakes, you don't want to lock those wheels on snow! Best is DOT fluid too, not mineral, so Shimano is really not your best bet on a fatbike! lol

Have a good season!
  • 10 0
 This is probably a miss due to geometry but more fat content please!
  • 8 1
 Altus lol at least spec Deore and MT200 if you want your users to have an acceptable experience
  • 10 0
 Cable actuated bakes works surprisingly good for a fat bike on snow.

My wife's fat bike has the same Tektro as this State bike and on really cold days (-20 celsius or less) they works better than my Shimano hydro brakes. No wandering bite point too!!
  • 2 0
 @Biggs427: I have these on my entry-level fat bike and they seem to work as well in the cold as the warm, which means not great in any conditions, but can confirm in my experience they don't seem to be impacted by the cold.
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 Shimano oil gels just below freezing, they're shitty winter brakes. SRAM's otherwise horrendous Level brakes work surprisingly well because they're difficult to lock up and DOT fluid stays fluid to -40 ish range.
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 @DizzyNinja: Turning a con into a pro,, nice Smile
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 @Biggs427: The Shimano brake seals also 'shrink' when it gets really cold letting that gelled mineral oil out onto the rotor (and the pads) which ends up being a lot of noise and not a lot of stopping. There is a good reason a lot of winter bike packers run cable disc brakes.
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 @DizzyNinja: I managed to lock up my Level Ts this morning!! Glass ice under the new snow contributed to the lack of surface grip despite the studs ( I may or may not have been going too fast for that bit of trail and I may or may not have been paying attention as I may or may not have been admiring the scenery and day dreaming!).
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 @andrewbikeguide: Level T has just that slight bit more lockup power than regular Level tho, I've used both.
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 @DizzyNinja: It's a three finger job with Levels in my experience, MT200 will lock with 2 fingers and Likewater fluid.
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 praying for a heavy winter. Last winter sucked up here in the north east. Groomed and frozen fatbike trails are unreal fun....just flowy awesome white carpet.
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 Just bought a used fatty in part to double reverse hex the snow gods and hopefully get dumped on this winter!
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 Might be slightly cheaper than the Rocky Mountain Blizzard base model but the spec and geometry are worth the few extra $$$. The studdable tires alone on the Rocky more than make up the difference in price. So if you live anywhere with icy conditions, studs are a must have to keep the rubber side down!
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 "It's an interesting choice of spec, given the freezing risk presented by sub-zero conditions, especially if under-maintained."

What freezing risk? Is there a freezing risk for the cable operated mech? Mineral oil brakes have way more risk of getting crappy in the cold as the oil thickens.
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 I have Sram Level T and rode it at -25C ( CELISOUS!!!!) after bike was on the balcony all night at -33C ( again C, not F Big Grin ) and they worked same as in my +25C basement
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 @valrock: Level Ts are surprisingly bomber probably due to being so simple. The only thing that really changes with inside and outside temperatures is the tyre pressures (which I am sure you know).

There is nothing quite like seeing the 7 psi tyres become 4 psi tyres by the time one has pedalled from the 13ºC garage to the -15ºC trail.
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 I've used my SRAM's in -40 reliably. Lookup the conversion of -40 if you're wondering which units I'm talking
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 I only run mechanical discs on my fat bikes. Never any change in feel no matter the conditions. Made the switch after mineral brakes on a new bike leaking fluid past the pistons in cold weather and contaminating everything!
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 @DizzyNinja: -40 is the same temperature in either F or C.
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 @deeeight: Thanks Bill Nye
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 @deeeight: well done clap emoji x3
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 I just bought a RM Blizzard A10 last month and I’m really happy with it so far. The cable Tektro brakes are fine for now. Deore 10s is smooth and has enough range for me. Good tires and wheels that are tubeless ready. I was hoping to find something on the used market but there wasn’t much at the time and one of the shops in town had a promotion if you buy an aluminum fatbike you get a $200 gift card. I put that $200 towards a 180mm OneUp V2 dropper that was on sale
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 you only need as much of a brake as tire can provide grip on a snow... so not that huge of an amount. Do not worry about it, upgrade when the original hits a bucket ( which is probably never)
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 Congrats! I've really enjoyed mine. I did find that the rear brake line aimed down like that ices and locks up during the winter. Naturally the cable gets some moisture on it from actuation and the housing is routed such that water just pools at the bottom. And subsequently freezes. Ended up going to Magura TrailSport (any hydro would do) and haven't had problems since (even down to -20F). If you're ever wanting more capability, get yourself a Mastodon - even the comp model adds a lot to the bike!
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 "value for money is hard to contest" Really? Watch me. A 40 pound fat bike with an 11-42t 9 speed drivetrain and geo from the 1980's would be a miserable introduction to fat bikes. There are plenty of used fat bikes available for significantly less than this thing and the vast majority have better spec's and better geo. A thoroughly modern Rocky Mountain Blizzard A10 is only $1299 and they can be found for closer to $1000 with current sales. Quite simply, there are much cheaper bikes that are no worse, and similarly priced bikes that are much better. That does not sound like a good value to me.
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 Biggest thing for someone buying a budget bike is making sure the geo and hub spacing are modern. Everything else can be upgraded later.
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 "At such an attractive price point, it would be foolish to expect a boundary-pushing geometry, or cutting-edge components. So, do manage your expectations here."
I don't agree with this statement; geometry is "free". It doesn't cost more to make a bike slack than it does steep. Look at the Rocky Mountain Growler; cheap and cheerful, but slack and aggressive.
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 Meanwhile, the fatbike bubble was over years ago here. I bought a 1-year/2 rides old fat 5 years ago for less than 25% of what the stores wanted for the same model. Buy & sell has hundreds of listings at super cheap prices, they're not moving. Heck, bikes aren't selling new or used.

I haven't used mine for a couple of years since selling our mountain cabin, but I can't be bothered listing it as it probably won't sell, or the price would have to be a 6-pack of cheap lager.
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 With Norwegian alcohol prices that's quite valuable lol
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 BS, fatbike is simply better on a snow, packed snow, ice and etc. Added benefit is that when you drive to riding places simple fat bike will take much more beating from salt and other road crap than your summer complicated full sys. It was never a bubble, it is awesome for places that get real winter
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 @valrock: agree, but the bubble I'm referring to was that over here everybody bought them - not to ride on snow only, but to ride on trails in summer. All kinds of brands pushed them. Now there's hardly anything available new. Me & the Mrs bought them slightly used cheap, and had plenty of fab rides on snow for a few seasons - so much so that our XC skis hardly saw any use.

But the fact remains, there's just no market for them anymore - at least in the south where I live where proper snowy winters is very rare now. We're still doing night rides sans studs, just came back from one.

A wild guess - my excellent alu 26" fat, 1x11 GX drivetrain, Bluto fork, dropper post, 4.8" Jumbo Jims, SRAM levels would get me maybe USD 250-300 now. And it's done one ride since a full service incl BB, brakes, drivetrain, wheels.
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 @knutspeed: wow yeah, I guess won't make sense in Florida, where I am you would sell it for 1000 USD easily
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 I bought a moose cycles (canadian direct to consumer) fattie for commuting to ski on in Whis a few years ago. I can't recall what the geo numbers were, but I want to say it was if not progressive, but rideable. IE pretty long and not hyper steep, to the point it got taken down micro climate and wasn't actually scary.

The equivalent is on offer now at 1000 USD....

moosebicycle.com/collections/fat-bikes/products/fb1-2023
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 It's nice to see someone replace Framed in the market. Framed had more options but it's nice to see someone other than bikesdirect offering budget fatbikes.
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 That was my first thought...when they went under there was a big hole in the market for super entry level fat bikes.
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 Mty wife has a 2019 Moose 2, I have a Blizzard 10. (That took 360 days to arrive after I ordered it) Threw on a pair of DOT hydros, on the Blizzard. Huge improvement, the Mechs that SUCKED, for my +110kg. Built up some 29r wheels so can use them commuting in the non-snow months (close match in circ/ diameterto 26 x 4.5 tires). Both bikes are redonkulous fun like this. Most of the "ofd handling" with fat bikes is down to the resistance and mass of those tires.
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 Very cool. I actually find that I turn the clutch off on my Blizzard's Deore Derailleur, to get better shifting quality in the winter. So, for the intended use of this thing, it's actually not the worst to have a lower end derailleur. At low speed fatbiking, the chances of the chain coming off are pretty low. For higher speed trail riding, sure.
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 Is steep geo on fat bikes really a problem? I thought they were aimed at endurance riding on sand/snow rather than steep tech stuff.

Also I'd say that choosing a "catalog frame" is a legit spec choice for manufacturers offering low-mid range bikes. If it qiuacks like a duck it is a duck
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 The color of this fatty is amazing. Not similar but when I think dope colors in the plus world, I recall the Best surly color, in fact one of the best production bike colors I can remember was the “demonic sparkle party” from one of the last few editions of the KRAMPUS. Black with red sparkle gloss topcote. I still want one. Shoulda woulda coulda.
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 Pinkbike hates fatbiking and refuses to acknowledge it exists as a real and fun part of the sport. First they gloss over "snow biking" in UCI's announcement and refuse to acknowledge that fatbike racing is a thing.

Then they post this absolute dumpster fire of a bike shaped object as a representation of the sport.

This is not a fatbike... this is a town bike some dingus brand manager put together with bottom of the bin parts they need to get out the door.

Try harder!
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 Meh... just buy a used fatbike with nicer parts for the same price
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 It is non-thru-axle, and the geo is not suspension-corrected. Two big roadblocks on the upgrade path.
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 and without knowing the fork dropout spacing, it might be an impossible path to a suspension fork. 9x150 QR has been tried by a few brands, Rocky Mountain and KHS about five years ago, Moose more recently than that as a few brand examples, and NOBODY in the aftermarket has ever offered a suspension fork for that spacing. Its only ever been 9x135 QR, 15x135/142 thru axle or 15x150 thru-axle (and the 15x135/142 are pretty rare as the dropout standard appeared and was rendered obsolete in less than 2 years by Rockshox doing the Bluto in 15x150).
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 My FatBike is dead.
I blew up my freehub last year and haven’t been able to afford a new wheel.
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 I thought Fatbikes were extinguished?
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 They aren't, but 26" fatbikes should, just look at any second hand market, they are all over for a bargain
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 @f*cktoryteam: 29"-31" Fatbikes with 4.8" tires on, now that's something I would happily pass by.
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 In Quebec it's getting more and more popular in the winter at trail networks
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 @Mouette230: it's really popular in Southern Ontario. Most of the local clubs/trail areas have a machine groomer and snowshoers that walk to break trails
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 @Muckal: i've had 27.5-2.8, 29-2.6/3 and Works waaaaay better..
Over 2.8 begins to be too Flexy and prône to punctures though
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 @f*cktoryteam: a 26*4.5 is a larger diameter than most 29ers. It's plenty large.
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 @f*cktoryteam: Well, we have a good 5 months of winter and snow here in Qc and I thought I could get through it with 27.5+ (3.0) tires, but in the end, the fatbike wins everywhere, even on groomed trails -- more grip + more float + better stability at high speed = quicker everywhere. So I sold my Trek Roscoe and plan to buy a Norco Bigfoot...
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 @cool3: And most trail areas that groom for fat biking have a ban on tyres that are 3.8" wide as they rut up the trails on warmer days which then become impossible to groom out and are no fun to ride with either a 27.5/29 x 3.0" tyre or a 26 x 48 or a 27.5 x 4.3-5" tyre.

People would better off accepting that fat biking is fat biking and mountain biking is mountain biking. There are quite a few things that are shared but it is essentially a totally different discipline.
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 @andrewbikeguide: Its not even proper snow base yet and Larose Forest in eastern ontario (about 40 mins drive east of Ottawa, maybe 1.5 hours west of Montreal) which is very sandy soil already instituted the winter tire width restrictions, they don't want to have to deal with skinnier tire mountain bikers trying to sneak in a few more rides on rain soaked sandy trails which might then rut up and freeze making life miserable for their groomer once the snow comes (and they do groom the trail network for fat biking).
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 2 water bottles !
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 2 ice* bottles
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 i forsee many rear hub warranty claims
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 Reach 443mm in XL?
Is this bike 443 years out of date?
  • 1 0
 I love my fat bike as just a trail bike, I swap between it and my Siskiu T8 all the time!
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 Edmonton commuter bike
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 there is a better option at Costco for 800 CAD
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 @valrock: Yes and No. The current XCF has better cassette/shifter/chain/derailleur and head angle but also a lot of compromised geometry numbers and frame/fork specs that limit how far they can be upgraded and I'm the guy who wrote the extensive reviews of them that are held up as the BIBLE for Northrock modifications. They don't really fit actual 4.5 inflated width tires, the rear hub / frame offset is ridiculous when it comes to trying to upgrade the rear wheel, the fork dropout spacing is totally unique piece of trash not used by ANY other fat bikes (and the stock steel fork is within an ounce of the frame weight), and the head tube was taken from Giant's road bike lineup and uses a headset cup specification that requires ordering replacements from China off AliExpress. Oh and the 155mm length crankarms are youth sized but fitted to an adult 18 inch frame ? Worse in a 76mm bolt pattern prioprietary to Prowheel which again, you have to order replacement rings from AliExpress.
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 Yay.
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 If you never upgrade the wheels there is nothing wrong with a QR. Fat forks are so overbuilt there is no unnecessary movement.
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 From an engineering point of view there's absolutely nothing wrong with QR.

Fun fact for nerds: The thru-"axle" in 148 boost hubs isn't even technically an axle anyways. It's a draw bolt with the sole purpose of providing clamping force between the dropouts and the hub-axles. The thru-"axle" itself doesn't see any radial load. And a QR skewer can do the same job just fine.
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 @Muscovir: I did bend QR skewer once... so I guess it does see some load
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 @valrock: Only if you don't clamp it tight enough...

Skewers are absolutely not designed to take a radial load, but a thru-axle isn't either. A hollow 12mm tube made from mild aluminium could definitley not withstand the forces from bottoming out the suspension on a heavy landing. It would shear off (or permanently deform at the very least).
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 @Muscovir: Speaking from experience, I have seen quite a few broken skewer levers and stripped skewer nuts on bikes over the years. I have personally never stripped or sheared the “draw bolt”. I just prefer something that’s self aligning and mechanically simpler.
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 Is it UCI legal?
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