Welcome to the two-part insert test. This is the second part, where we put the inserts through their paces in a controlled test. If you want to read about how the inserts felt on the trail then please see part one.
IntroductionEvery insert is accompanied by bold claims of life-changing performance. Each brand championing its product as
the one true insert that will give you more grip, more stability and better protection compared to either a standard tubeless system or indeed anything else on the market but how true are these claims? And is there any way that they can be tested in a controlled setting?
Hunt, a wheels manufacturer that is also behind such brands as Privateer, invited us to use their wheel testing jig to torture test all these inserts with whatever it took until we yielded the truth - which insert, in terms of ability to resist shear load, is the best insert on test?
Hunt originally built this machine to test and develop their own wheels. They’ve even not only benchmarked but also published
their data about competitor’s wheels too.
The Test So FarThe
first part of the test was there to talk about the feel of the inserts. I did this part of the test first as I didn’t want any of my judgments to be influenced by previously gathered data.
During a month of back-to-back runs on a downhill track I was fairly confident in my assertions about feel. I concluded the article with the following.
| Every single one of these inserts improved the performance of my tires. If I were to separate them, I would say the Vittoria, Rimpact and CushCore offer the most support. The other three, while definitely offering a lot, are better used in conjunction with slightly higher pressures. If it’s all out support you’re after then I would say the Rimpact Pro offers an equal amount, if not even more than the CushCore but both are leading in this regard. The Vittoria does offer a similar feel to these two, but that stability is not so pronounced in turns.—Henry Quinney |
But how would they all stack up against the jig and how did we test them?
The MethodDuring the test we used Hunt Enduro Wide V2 rear wheels with a 31mm internal diameter and had 32 spokes and shod with 2.4” Magic Mary Super Trail tires which typically come in around 1150g. The tire on this rim, at its widest part, measured 58.6mm at 25PSI.
We wanted to test in two distinct ways. Firstly, a square hit that impacts both sides of the rim at the same time. We wanted this to be something like a maximum load test.
The second part was to move the wheel to a 5-degree angle and then see how the wheels cope with angled impacts. We wanted to see if the order of impact resistance would be replicated through both parts. I wondered if some of the narrower inserts might be vulnerable to being pushed across to the side of the rim under load.
All impacts were done between the two parallel spokes on the same part of the tread pattern. A caveat here, we never put the impact in line with the valve hole though for fear of compromising the findings. The spoke tension was checked between each run and sent off to one of Hunt's on-site wheel builders if it required adjustment. The tire pressures were checked with the same digital pressure gauge between each run.
We decided that our threshold for a failure would be any visual signs of stress to the rim as well as check for any discoloration of the potentially stressed metal. If we were ever in any doubt we removed the tire and measured the dimensions of the rim with some digital vernier calipers to see if the metal had in any way been distorted or bent.
During the course of the test there were two factors that made us readdress our methodology. Firstly, even with the machine maxed out during the square hit test no rim was taking any damage whatsoever. Chris Colenso, one of Hunt’s engineers, had already run tests to work out the rough parameters needed, albeit without inserts, and we were both very impressed with how the inserts, even the lighter ones, took the burden off the rim.
During both the angled and parallel test, we were dropping the22.4kg impactor 546mm. It was measured and realigned between in run.
So, what was happening then? How can a bit of foam make that much difference? Well, when inspecting the inserts you could see just how much damage they were taking. This threshold wasn’t breached during this initial test. That’s not to say the rim wasn’t undergoing stress, only that we couldn’t show that it did.
How many times you hit something exactly square is probably open for debate, and its subsequent implications to the real world should perhaps be taken with a grain of salt, but either way, all of the inserts passed this parallel strike test with flying colours.
It’s for that reason we had always intended for the second part to hopefully give us a more realistic scenario… but how much difference would 5 degrees really make? Well, as it happens, the gulf between the two is absolutely huge.
The ResultsFrom the parallel hit, where all the inserts resisted damage to the rim, to a small alteration of five degrees, how much difference does each insert make? You can see in this graph the point at which the rim took damage.
We ran a control of no insert and the rim received damage at 32PSI.From this, we can clearly see that two of the lighter inserts, which are both often recommended to be in the front, or for benefits other than impact resistance, immediately show that their light weight does come at a cost. That’s not to say that they don’t still carry some benefit - only that the supposed benefit was significantly less than some others on test.
Speaking of weight, how do these inserts compare pound for pound with one another?
Here, with the weight on the right side of the y-axis, we can see the trade-off between weight and resistance. Ideally, we want both of these bars to be as low as possible.
A few things are immediately apparent. Firstly, the Rimpact Pro seems to have the aggregate best score of resistance to weight. Not far behind is the Tannus. As somebody that has ridden them both, this is fascinating because they feel so different.
The Hamburger, the heaviest insert of the test, goes some way to justifying its weight by showing itself to be the most resistant to impact overall. It’s also very interesting to see the MegaNorris range’s weights and resistance work inversely to one another.
Both the Cushcore Pro, which offers comparable protection to the MegaNorris Hamburger, and the Hamburger itself, do offer the most protection but both come with a considerable weight penalty.
Another consideration that may well be a factor is cost. If you’re trying to save some cash and see inserts as an investment to protect your rims then what would the best bet be?
The price per set is on the right hand side of the y-axis and we can compare it against the impact resistance. Here, again the Rimpact Pro is the strongest, closely followed by the Tannus Tubeless Armour and the Vittoria Air-liner.
The LimitationsThe impact resistance of the inserts, and the parameters set out in this test, are important but only in relation to one another and within the context of the comparison. The pressures don’t necessarily reflect what you would ride in the real world.
ConclusionThere are some important takeaways to take from this.
Firstly, this test only shows maximum load and not how these ride passively or indeed increase cornering stability. That’s largely what the first part of the test was for.
Something I learned through the previous back-to-back testing was that one of the main benefits of running inserts was how they dulled down and damped compressions before they got to your axle. This cannot be understated. Just because something doesn’t resist high-speed impacts it doesn’t mean that it won’t provide damping at lower speeds.
That’s not to diminish these results but rather to understand that there isn’t a one-size fits all approach to testing. It is useful though.
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That part made me so furious for a second. But only because of fastpitch bat testing or prospect recruiting websites.
They all want you to pay for stuff they're getting paid to test for free from site sponsors. Double dipping the consumer. I get the premise. But I just consider it a crap business model if you can't generate revenue off the information outside of a pay wall.
But if a pay wall helps get those Rimpact Pros through customs and pays the overage charge....well then.
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Brian Parks: "two chicks at one time"
PB commenters: "watch your cornhole, bud"
And there are many nipples involved
from race safety measures to cars testing
from tire inserts resistance to hard anal porno
I am not surprised of the strange PB AI Comments algorythms anymore ; lol
Said nobody in the sea-to-sky corridor, ever.
Riders here who don't grenade light tires out here are slow/poor descenders.
I have ridden the Aassegei Exo+ for a few weeks and changed it back to that Betty last weekend.
It isn't gripping like the Betty in my case. To not burp or squirmy tire's on turns I needed more pressure for the Aassegei. Damping is the other thing you will notice instant. Both are on the opposite spectrum I would say.
Gripp could suffer because of more pressure.
I ended up dropping my pressures ~4-6psi, and keeping vaguely similar levels of support when cornering, while increasing my traction in the roots/slop/etc.
Interesting to see that according to the data, the "max" I should have been able to drop it by is 8psi (32psi for no insert down to 24psi for Tannus). Given that I was going by cornering feel, I'd say that's actually remarkably close all things considered.
I ask specifically because I loved the comfortable damping feeling I got from cushcore but hated the weight and PITA install. Thanks!
I've never ridden Cushcore, so I can't compare personally.
That said, I did find the tannus tubeless really is noticeable compared to just standard tubeless. It feels a bit like someone turned the volume knob down on the "trail surface chatter" setting. Particularly if you are running them with really low pressure. Which means I notice it more in the winter, than in the summer, as summer time my pressures tend to be higher.
The main thing I use them for is in the winter, there are days when its so slick, the PSI I need to keep the tire from squirming in the supported berms, was high enough that I felt like I was "ping-ponging" off of all the roots. Tannus let me drop the pressure enough to track well through the roots/moss/rocks/etc, and not get the squirmy feeling in the turns.
So I went from a min pressure of ~22-24psi in my Wild Enduro Rear tire, down to ~16-18psi as my min pressure (again, for the wet).
In the dry, I squirm at 18psi even with the inserts, but I figure thats because the speeds are much higher. I now run ~22-26psi in the summer. But, in comparison, without the inserts, I'd need to run 25-30psi to keep from damaging my rim. So the inserts are still helping me with more traction/compliance.
Good luck with whatever you do .
On the HT, I raced it in the Breckenridge firecracker 50 a few weeks back and same thing, 19 PSI and I didn't destroy the wheel or a Rekon tire (29x2.6). You can definitely feel when you bottom it on a rock, but it's a very damped feeling vs. "That sounded expensive!"
I'm sure folks are still going to blow up tires and wheels with these inserts but for my stupid riding style and setup, they were well worth the $$$ and the little additional weight. Install is honestly a breeze once you've done one or two of them. Takes 5 minutes or so (or less) start to finish with some Pedro's levers on the last little bit.
I was denting rear rims through my Michelin Wild Enduro Rear (its casing is kind of between EXO+ and DD) at pressures less than that. Given, my stock wheelset was really low end, and was easy to damage, but it is what it is.
Also I'm not a small fellow (6'1", and about ~190lbs). I'm not exceptionally skilled (specifically I can't jump for crap), but at my local small trail system I'm in the top couple percent of riders according to segment times, so I'd say I'm at least average-ish for speed, if that helps.
Don't think cushcore xc is worth it. Would rather run tannus or cushcore pro. Either provide more sidewall support than xc.
I've found Exo+ with an insert on the front and Double Down or Supergravity with an insert on the rear is a good balance.
I have a Vittoria Air-liner M in a Assegai DD front and a Rimpact Pro in a Assegai DH rear, perfect setup in my mind but for park days or competing. Assegai EXO+ front and whatever EXO+ rear, both with inserts like Rimpact Pro works all day for most stuff you pedal and most people if you don't have super sharp rocks that cut you sidewalls open.
I’m 210 lbs with gear. I had these installed in my 2020 spec enduro running the stock butcher tires the bike came with. My usual tire pressure w/o inserts was 25 psi front, 30 psi rear. I ride a lot of bike parks, Snowshoe, Windrock, etc. I was really hoping these would allow me to run lower pressures while protecting my rims and possibly getting fewer flats.
Bottom line: I could NOT run lower pressures with out getting tire squirm. I never damaged my wheels, or got a single flat, and that’s with 18 months of riding. I was disappointed I couldn’t run lower pressures but I rode a season and a half with out a problem.
Nukeproof ARD front and back and DH casing maxxis tires front and back.
As others have mentioned, rolling lower pressure is too risky, but this setup makes it so I have no flats and no rim damage. I love it and would recommend it to anyone doing lots of park laps.
It's still possible to damage the rims if not being careful, but no where near as easy as with lower pressure or no insert or smaller casing tires. I MUCH rather take the weight penalty than deal with rim damage, slashed tires, punctures aka downtime.
Would have been a more complete test if they tested no insert (it reads like this test was performed) and a standard tube.
From the test data, I cant tell the real advantage of the insert, as I would not expect to damage my rim at over 30psi during normal riding, this would indicate that the test is not representative of real life riding. (what was the TMV used for the test?)
It would also be good to have something that showed the perceived feel of the inserts in real life conditions for several riders to demonstrate if the best performing on the jig is the best performing (or feel) on the track.
Finally, a high speed camera and the rebound height from each insert at a given real life pressure would be good, this combined with the real life feel (and performance against the clock) could give a good indication of which insert is the best overall insert.
The Results
From the parallel hit, where all the inserts resisted damage to the rim, to a small alteration of five degrees, how much difference does each insert make? You can see in this graph the point at which the rim took damage. We ran a control of no insert and the rim received damage at 32PSI.
What is this, a wheel for ants?! (I think you meant "31mm internal width")
Rimpact's are of substantial size, so thought they would give me a lot of trouble putting them on - but they didn't. just helped myself with some zip ties, and it was not that big of a deal.
used DD dual tire in the rear and EXO+ MaxxTerra front for a season and liked it. few months ago put DD MaxxGrip front, and DD MaxxTerra rear and love it with Rimpact's.
95kg geared, so thought that inserts would help me run lower pressure more safely, as everybody else thought. and everybody else is right - it does help. a lot.
usually running 1.3 bar front (sometimes going as low as 1.1), and between 1.6-1.8 bars in the rear.
the bike behaves like it's on rails - no wonder, right? I just love the fact I can plow through gnar confidently. muting the trails with inserts is what I love the most about Rimpacts.
I know DD's plus inserts might be overkill, but just love the ride quality they both provide. can't even imagine not running inserts anymore.
next to dropper, inserts became my favourite bike invention in the last decade.
I've recently cracked a DT XMC 1200 carbon rear wheel and although they have the Fairshare policy available (which is basically a crash replacement program), it still costs $399 + tax for a replacement wheel. Cushcore is widely available here in Canada and $120 MSRP per piece is a fantastic insurance policy for protecting your wheels.
Let the trail bombing continue!
Got countless flats, some very frustrating immediately after installing a brand new tire.
I now run DH casing + Nukeproof ARD at 24-25 PSI in the front.
At those rider specs listed in my first paragraph, running 24 psi on a 1000 gram rear tire, my rear insert had 18 large slices (I counted and marked with a sharpie) in it after approximately 4-5 average trail rides. Basically the insert was destroyed.
If your terrain is soft or you turn very aggressively, inserts probably offer some traction and stability advantages by allowing you to run lower pressures. But unless you are completely in to burning money, lowering tire pressures doesn't work for me on inserts because then the inserts just get wrecked almost immediately.
At a sufficiently low pressure. the impact resistances of the tire and insert are not enough to fully resist impact. At that point the rim is directly affected by the impact.
Go even lower in pressure and eventually the tire + insert + rim is insufficient to resist damage. Those are the pneumatic tire pressures that are reported.
Rimpact really are so good for offering whichever combo you want!
Nukeproof ARD - A right twunt.
Hunt recently released information about the Enduro Wide V2 Wheels and had some information about the impact resistance of those wheels: www.pinkbike.com/news/hunt-release-updated-wheelsets-pond-beaver-2021.html In this test, Hunt show data that indicates rim failures were found up in the 160J range for several rims.
However, in these test of these rim insets using the same Hunt machine, you state a 22.4kg impactor was dropped from 546mm. This translates to 120J impact.
Were you not able to get the machine up to the same 160J range that Hunt used when testing their Enduro Wide V2 Wheels (i.e. adding more weight to the impactor or raising the drop height)? Just curious....
Thanks for doing this PB & Henry Q.
Here's another news flash-if you ride where the rocks are sharp, you'll still slice the f**k out of your casings even with an insert.
They did send me new rims though, customer service A+ just the "enduro" version is way too weak.
never seen this on DT
I'd say Panzer Evo: just 1psi more and way lighter than tannus. Panzer isn't even mentioned in the article!?!!