The Pinkbike Podcast: Episode 198 - Our Pedantic Pet Peeves

 Completely agree. The reaction video did a lot more damage to the mountain bike community as a whole than a few words that don't mean much on a podcast that maybe 10k people listened to and didn't really take it too seriously.

 As a person who regularly releases poor quality MTB videos, I must consider the effect that Henry and Kaz have on the greater community. The way they said it, I didn't get the feeling that any of it was "tongue in cheek". It felt like it came from a more serious place than just joking around.

We can disagree, but I feel that our community does not have room for words like that.

 @spokesmanmtb:
hard to swallow pill:
99% of mountain bike riders didn´t even notice neither care about the opinion of two guys in a podcast, nor about the couple of insta-tiktokers being absolutely butthurt about said opinion.

 @fhm3rc: There’s no context, they were not joking, even if it was set up as “pedantic pet peeves” Henry and Katz were being being dicks. Disagree.

 Right here with you my friend. Absolutely crushing that a company that was built on grass roots engagement, community, and giving your fellow rider a leg up when they are starting out is now promoting the opposite by greenlighting views like this on a popular podcast. Pinkbike wouldn't be here if we weren't sending the stoke downstream to the up and coming riders and content creators. We all start somewhere, and for this i will be supporting Loam ranger as i always have, and continue to generally avoid pinkbike and their media contributions.

 Yes. It was disappointing to find out about things said in this episode from Loam Ranger. I can live without PB since there is no more fantasy league and Kaz and Quinney will not miss my pointless efforts to be a pro racer (no effort). GLHF!

 "You've got to stand up to the jump, you've got to stand up to the jump" ...

Loam Ranger is a top guy, producing videos that really help the average rider. Silly comment Pinkbike.

 All of the suddenly appearing new haters have obviously only seen the Loam Ranger video and not listened to the full podcast. It is made very clear that the topic should not be taken seriously. Yes, it was a badly worded hot take. But please put your pitchforks away and think for yourself before posting your negative comments.

 Episode #198: "hOw tO gEt gOOd At BiKes tHeN bE a DicK aBoUT iT"

 I would have hoped that PB would be applauding all content creators and amateurs who love this sport regardless of skill and ambition.

 Or the official Discovery+ statement!?

 Absolute agreed. I didn't even pick up that vibe that Loam Ranger got from listening to it, and I think he's taking the PB lads too seriously on this score.

 Just to add to this comment - at the time this podcast was released, NO ONE complained about this. It has taken another content creator to make a whole video about this for anyone to give a shit. And now suddenly PB is under fire.

I stand by my comment about gatekeeping but I'm beginning to think the comments by Mike and Henry were taken out of context and possibly this is an overreaction. How many people coming from the Loam Ranger vid have listened to the whole podcast episode? I listened to it when it was released and nothing bad occurred to me at the time.

 @colourofsound: I listened to it when it was released and didn't say anything. But I did unsubscribe from the Pinkbike channel.

I have listened to the entire cast and I do not see how the comments could be taken out of context.

 @spokesmanmtb: I think the way in which Ryan presents the comments is completely out of context. He doesn't detail the theme of the cast, only its episode number and title.

The section he plays of Kaz's comments on 'bumbling' are taken out of the larger context of the conversation; which is actually about people relentlessly documenting their lives at all times and it likely being they'll never look at the footage again; which is illustrated as a 'pet peeve' - the theme of the cast.

Listening back, it seems to me Kaz isn't commenting on Youtube Content Creators at all - just people who are uploading raw, unedited videos. Its actually Henry that takes a bigger swipe at Content Creators (the comment on trail guides in BC) but Ryan doesn't highlight that as much as he highlights Kaz's comments.

Look - I'm not saying it was a good idea for Kaz and Henry to make those comments. But, I feel like this has been blown out of proportion given the generally tongue-in-cheek theme of the cast. The tagline is "Join us for the tech-editors not being nearly toxic enough and far too reasonable for Henry's liking." - hardly something that implies it should be taken to heart.

The cynical among us might even argue that Loam Ranger is making a diss video in order to gather more traffic to his channel. Not my personal take, but I could see some thinking that.

These are all good examples of how we each have different perspectives on a situation. Should Kaz/Henry have made those comments? Probably not. Should Ryan have made a diss-video calling them out? Probably not. It'd have been a better move for Ryan to have not been specific, and just make a super-positive video encouraging other creators (which, in fairness, is the majority of his video)

 @colourofsound: I agree 100% that this is been blown out of proportion. Ryan's made a mountain out of a molehill because no grom YouTuber is going to care one whit for what was said in this podcast, which wasn't even said with a great deal of seriousness in the first place. I think Ryan got the wrong end of the stick, frankly, but as you note he was fairly even-keeled in his delivery.

 @colourofsound: "Kaz isn't commenting on Youtube Content Creators at all - just people who are uploading raw, unedited videos"
That's exactly what rubs me the wrong way. It's the "it's a bit much to express yourself and try to show the world something you think is cool" vibe that's coming from those comments. Most of us aren't content creators, we're average people that like to ride bikes in the mud. Why shouldn't I upload a clip to my youtube account to share with the mates? Or to showcase a trail I've found, or that I maintain?
Coming from someone with a platform and an audience, it's easy to see how Kaz's opinion will make some people angry.

 @folha: Yeah - and that’s totally fair. You have every right to do that; but equally Kaz has every right to be irritated by it. The issue really is not that it bothered him, but that he said it on the largest platform in the community…

In any case, Loam took it as aimed at YT content creators and not average joes. In my book any valid points (and they were valid) that he made were diminished by the way he presented them out of context.

It calls into question his journalistic integrity; which is ironic given that’s exactly what he was complaining about. I’ve watched it a few times now and it doesn’t sit right; he’s manipulating the viewers to drive home his point a little deeper. And what has he achieved? Division in the community and Pinkbike tech editors getting shitty comments (and no doubt toxic DMs) on every post they make on socials.

 Working with the builders local to me, and watching projects like Seth's Berm Park I think it's safe to say the two biggest driving forces behind this are landowners and the people (often volunteers) doing the trail building. The people nearby that want single track and jank are out there building it, provided the land ownership allows it.

 Where are these places where every trail is a flow/jump trail so that I can move there? Are you riding in a bike park 100% of the time? I would be so excited if 95% of new trails that got built were flow trails. Instead over here in the east we have probably 5% flow trails outside of bike parks and basically zero jump trails. I find it so hard to believe that you can't easily find lots of single-track anywhere you go.

 @The-Wheel: Yeah I agree, out east it's hard to find a jump trail , it's janky rocky tech everywhere.

 Anyone running lights on their Oneup Bar? How do you keep them secure? Due to the unique shape, at least with the mount i'm using, it has a hard time staying in place.

 @jalopyj: I put mine over closer to the shifters and angle it roughly how far down the trail I want it to shine. I also run a helmet light too.

 To answer the inevitable question, Outbound Lighting. Great lights, great people, great company, zero complaints.

 @swansong: I may make the switch from Nite Rider to Outbound. They're mounting system is just much better.

 @jalopyj: try mounting your lights right up against the stem. I'm running a OneUp bar and the Raven light from Lynx OGT, I've had zero issues with the light moving.

Also the lights from Lynx are amazing. Super bright, super light, with great battery life. I've found having the Raven on the bars and Otus on the helmet is the perfect setup.

www.lynxogt.com/product-page/raven

 @jalopyj: stem mounted GoPro adapter?

 For reals, it's worse when they are tied up on tree branches too. Just pack it out please.

 Why do they bag it and not throw it in a trash receptacle? Wouldn't it be better to just not bag it at all and let it biodegrade?

 Why is dog poo on the trail bad, but horse poo is perfectly acceptable?

 @rmbarrows: I'm not a horse person, but I'll defend this. Horse poo is mostly dry grass except for when it's fresh. It turns to dust and goes away on its own quickly. If you step on it or ride through it it doesn't stay with you and emit a horrible smell for hours. No smell at all really. And how would that really work, to expect a horse rider to clean up all of their road apples? Whereas picking up and packing out dog poo is really easy and do -able

 @rmbarrows: dog poop is very acidic and has lots of parasites and bad bacteria I think which is why it’s not good for soil, horse doodoo is fertilizer. The erosion from horse tour places running tours on wet trails is what bothers me

 @mkul7r4: no. Dog poop has a very real impact on local waterways.

 The first thing you should know about me is that I’m the absolute f*cking worst.

 @henryquinney: We all make mistakes. Own it. It doesn't seem like these opinions really serve you that well....or anyone else either. They certainly won't create the change in the things you dislike. There's enough divisive stuff in the world already and collective anger isn't a contribution worth putting your name on. Step up. Be human like the rest of us. We're all just trying to figure it out.

 @tattertottwo: wah wah wah

 Fellow old man yelling at clouds here - I'm with ya!

 ...and wait until people are done crashing to ask if they're ok?
...and commercials inserted into friday fails, just do it at the beginning of the video. Thanks Outside mag.

 PB/outside donating the $$$ from ads served in this page? No?

Seems fair play for someone to respond to a public podcast on a public video.

I think he did overreact a bit but certainly don't mind he did it publicly. I agree that Henry/kaz should host LR on the pod and then they can all retire billionaires from monetizing this colossal controversy lol

 Hello there - absolutely. If you leave a question on here I will choose one. I sometimes see good ones, but often don’t have the time to look through comments on articles trying to find them. I’ll do yours this week though. Thanks!

 When mountain biker A (in this case let's call him Dario) is forced to spend an hour filming biker B (let's just imagine we call him Henry) understeer through turns, drag brakes under the impression he's shralping and do dead sailors on every jump in the mediate vicinity all for biker Bs moderate Instagram following and family whatsapp group who never even hypothetically say anything complimentary like "nice one son, you're really cool".

 @henryquinney: too funny

 @henryquinney: thanks! I put a comment on rider b’s instagram, hope it makes their day.

 @henryquinney: You're a professional journalist writing for one of the largest bike publications on the planet. Start acting like it.

 @henryquinney: I really think you're being a bit tone deaf here, and missing the point of the criticism (maybe not from that specific comment there) – it's not as simpel as not liking a podcast, but there was genuine toxicity, gatekeeping and punching down from you and Mikes comments; which I think for most of us feel very very off-brand both for Pinkbike – and MTB'ing in general.

As I've written elsewhere, you (the PB editors) get to live in the perfect MTB world. Fantastic bikes, trails, products, travels, time to ride etc. etc. – it's so far removed form what 99% of us mere mortals get to experience, that getting to relate to (well made) "bumbling influencer" content is, well that. Relate-able. And you're kidding yourself if you've not noticed the metrics of their audiences and popularity. Should at least make you stop and think, no?

 @danielgrafik: not that deep, don’t take what they say too seriously

 So the content creators that you look down upon (youtu.be/kC_eAg6kfBQ?si=S6tx5IxV3QFLkE7u) and the casual riders that feed your Friday Fails are good enough for content for your site, but apart from that, please stay away from the internet, is that about right?

 @henryquinney: from the gmbn guy lol

 @pingeligcretin: I know. I try not to with most things on the internet.
That being said, Ryan from Loam Ranger's point, about young or in-experienced riders, hearing the comments from arguably some of the most influential mtb-media-personalities here on Pinkbike, and getting dishearten and perpetuating a level of gatekeeping or elite-isme that I've never seen from the MTB-community before... and that's really sad, I think.

 @henryquinney: I have unsubscribed from the Pinkbike channel.

 @henryquinney: Imagine coming from GMBN and then criticizing people for putting their amateur riding videos up. All of your work on that channel was bumbling.

Add another check in the Henry Quinney shit takes column.

 They are fine. Loam Ranger took the comments out of context, and then recorded a sob story based on comments not even aimed at him or his fellow influencers.

 Oh bloody hell. Sorry, I was on autopilot. Thanks!

 This is the kind of pedantry I can get behind