The end of the year means two things: it's time for a bunch of resolutions that definitely won't pan out, and every website doing a bunch of questionable best-of lists. And while our annual Pinkbike Awards are our official way of recognizing some of the year's most impressive products, people, and events, each editor also puts together a list of their personal favourites from the past twelve months. Thing is, we pretty much all disagree with each other, which brings us to the theme of today's podcast.
Episode 38 sees Mike Kazimer, Sarah Moore, Dan Sapp, and I defend our 2020 best-of picks. Who's out to lunch? Who nailed it?
THE PINKBIKE PODCAST // EPISODE 38 - EDITOR'S 2020 FAVOURITE PRODUCTS December 30th, 2020
Editors defend their 2020 best-of picks.
Hosted by Mike Levy (usually) and featuring a rotating cast of the editorial team and other guests, the Pinkbike Podcast is a weekly update on all the latest stories from around the world of mountain biking, as well as some frank discussion about tech, racing, and everything in between.
@Explodo: what do you expect them to say? I mean, the only thing they can say that anyone would buy is, "Yeah, we are stupid. sorry. the Salsa was as good as the other two bikes."
@conoat: I just wish I knew the reason. I'm aware they're unlikely to say anything about it unless forced to do so, but they won't have any pressure at all if we just pretend it didn't happen.
@Explodo: omg why is this so serious??? Buy whatever bike you want to, obviously you know that they all reached the same spot why does it matter if levy mentions it.
@bike-lair: Since I come to PB specifically to find out about bikes, I'd like to know how much weight I should give their recommendations. Hell, maybe Levy doesn't really like Ohlins forks...you never know.
@conoat: Yeah, we are stupid. sorry. the Salsa was as good as the other two bikes.
I dunno why the video wasn't more clear, we were burned out after a ridiculous year. @mikelevy why did we blow it?
But uhhh also, for the love of god please don't put real weight into our impossible climbs. They're literally just broscience for fun, and a reason to do some tech climbing.
Although I really like the podcast, I haven't had the chance to keep up with every episode. So far, have there been any extended discussions regarding technical climbing?
This may be wrong, but from what I can tell, technical climbing was at one point something everyone valued as a skill, because many of the cool descents were only accessible via a hard climb. It seems now that most emerging MTB destinations have exclusively fire road climbs or very easy machined uphill singletrack, and existing destinations are allowing their older tougher climbs to become deprecated in favor of these easier climbs.
Is riding up weird root balls and rocks on track toward becoming an obsolete, or at least a very niche, skill? Or are there enough areas where the tech climbs can't be rerouted (like Pisgah Nat Forest) to keep it mainstream and useful? What role does the evolution of XC racing and the popularization of Enduro play in the (perceived) widespread departure from technical climbing?
I know this was briefly touched on in an episode early this summer, but it was only for a minute. I'd appreciate hearing a full discussion dedicated to this. Also if anyone knows of discussion of this topic outside of the podcast (all I've found is this pinkbike.com/news/poll-has-climbing-become-unfashionable.html), I'd be really grateful for a link!
So I did a little more homework, and you all definitely talked about this more in Ep 11 than I gave you credit for. Sorry for basically repeating the question you answered then.. If you could delete comments on PB I'd delete this one, but we'll just have to settle for ignoring me
Hans Dampf has the same tread as the 2018 update, but now there’s a new super trail casing. The lightest version for 29x2.35 is 1075g stated.
For a lighter trail tire that’s under 1000g I’ve been really liking the e-13 trs trail ‘race’ which is around 970g It pairs well with a trail bike for long days and some aggressive riding. It’s a true 2.4
I also still like the dhr2 2.4 exo front and rear... actual weight 1015g
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I’m in NW Arkansas where there’s a lot of ‘loose over hard’ in addition to straight up gravel that’s tough on tires.
I run through 3+ full sets of tires per year between my 2 bikes.
I should clarify- I’m typically wearing out tread before I destroy my tires... I’ve gotten the occasional puncture in DD as well as exo casings.
For shuttle days I prefer the DD, and it’s not bad as a rear tire all the time...
But there are some good options between 850 and 1050 grams that are more fun for longer rides and still hold up well under my 155lbs for fairly aggressive riding.
I think my riding style and weight matches Levy’s pretty closely which is why I jumped in on this specific conversation
By no means am I suggesting that riders who prefer DD or heavier tires should change up.
(Two part) Question for a future podcast: would you rather ride a full suspension bike from five years ago, or a brand new hardtail? Does current geometry make up for lack of full squish?
I was browsing the Buy/Sell section and noticed the price points for the above mentioned bikes tend to coincide so this is possibly a consideration for people shopping bikes.
It sounds like Kaz has had PTSD since is 15 year old self wore his undies under his shammy. Post Traumatic Shammy Disorder is a terrible thing, and clearly Levy does not understand!
The Power Broker is an outstanding book and Robert Caro is a wonderful writer. @MikeKazimer check out his 4-part biography of LBJ. That should keep you occupied for a while!
Yep. I saw one on the back of a car at the Horse Shoe Bay ferry, headed to the Sunshine Coast. I'll never forget that, it's basically like spotting a UFO. Even took grainy photos that nobody will believe.
they won't eat their ego like that.
I dunno why the video wasn't more clear, we were burned out after a ridiculous year. @mikelevy why did we blow it?
But uhhh also, for the love of god please don't put real weight into our impossible climbs. They're literally just broscience for fun, and a reason to do some tech climbing.
This may be wrong, but from what I can tell, technical climbing was at one point something everyone valued as a skill, because many of the cool descents were only accessible via a hard climb. It seems now that most emerging MTB destinations have exclusively fire road climbs or very easy machined uphill singletrack, and existing destinations are allowing their older tougher climbs to become deprecated in favor of these easier climbs.
Is riding up weird root balls and rocks on track toward becoming an obsolete, or at least a very niche, skill? Or are there enough areas where the tech climbs can't be rerouted (like Pisgah Nat Forest) to keep it mainstream and useful? What role does the evolution of XC racing and the popularization of Enduro play in the (perceived) widespread departure from technical climbing?
I know this was briefly touched on in an episode early this summer, but it was only for a minute. I'd appreciate hearing a full discussion dedicated to this. Also if anyone knows of discussion of this topic outside of the podcast (all I've found is this pinkbike.com/news/poll-has-climbing-become-unfashionable.html), I'd be really grateful for a link!
Happy new year all !
For a lighter trail tire that’s under 1000g I’ve been really liking the e-13 trs trail ‘race’ which is around 970g
It pairs well with a trail bike for long days and some aggressive riding. It’s a true 2.4
I also still like the dhr2 2.4 exo front and rear... actual weight 1015g
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I’m in NW Arkansas where there’s a lot of ‘loose over hard’ in addition to straight up gravel that’s tough on tires.
I run through 3+ full sets of tires per year between my 2 bikes.
For me, I just hate running tubes. DD casing I replace when the tread wears out.
For shuttle days I prefer the DD, and it’s not bad as a rear tire all the time...
But there are some good options between 850 and 1050 grams that are more fun for longer rides and still hold up well under my 155lbs for fairly aggressive riding.
I think my riding style and weight matches Levy’s pretty closely which is why I jumped in on this specific conversation
By no means am I suggesting that riders who prefer DD or heavier tires should change up.
I was browsing the Buy/Sell section and noticed the price points for the above mentioned bikes tend to coincide so this is possibly a consideration for people shopping bikes.