If you're not going for a ride, what's the next best thing? For a lot of us, it's working on our mountain bike, be it a quick tune-up, an afternoon spend building wheels, or just catching up on some long overdue maintenance (you know who you are). Today's podcast is all about working on and repairing bikes, from the fun jobs to the dirty ones, to having to install twenty tire inserts for the Field Test, to spending ten hours installing Di2 only for it to rattle apart on the first ride, to our favorite tools, to our most embarrassing workshop injuries... Including the time some scary chemicals messed with RC's, er, "component."
What's your favorite mechanical job? Do you have a favorite tool?
THE PINKBIKE PODCAST // EPISODE 66 - IN THE WORKSHOP June 3rd, 2021
Has anyone seen where I put the left-handed hammer?
Featuring a rotating cast of the editorial team and other guests, the Pinkbike podcast is a weekly update on all the latest stories from around the world of mountain biking, as well as some frank discussion about tech, racing, and everything in between.
Favorite tool: pipe cutter for cutting bars from 800 to 760 in 5mm increments over the course of a month because I'm too afraid to commit. Another favourite almost-tool: fresh roll of blue shop towels Least favorite maintenance job: anything headset related because I'm too lazy to remove my front caliper so my steer inevitably scratches my frame as is dangles from my bike like a lifeless body.
Love me a fresh roll of blue shop towels. I hear you on headsets - I have a BMC gravel bike that has its brake lines running down through the stem and headset. It makes for such a good looking bike, but what a PIA when it's time to pull the headset apart.
My knipex pilers-wrench has bailed me out of so many situations and has sped up so many of my common reparirs. It's foamed in to the very top drawer of my tool box right next to my knipex flush-cut clippers.
Next week's podcast is a looong, two-part series with just me talking to RC about him growing up as a little RC, welding Mantis frames, teaching himself how to fly in an ultra-light, and so many other ridiculous stories. Hope you like
My last trail fix... A spoke broke and went through the rim tape.. I was about to hike it the 4-5 miles out when I told myself, "I have a tube, I can figure this out.." I ended up using my extra bacon strips still in the plastic to set over the hole and put the tube in and limped it out..
Oh, and RC, that Answer test track put me into the ICU for 2.5 weeks..
Favorite tool: Hayes purple disc brake spreader tool. It's so simple and effective.
Favorite job: #1 building wheels (haven't been in the industry in four and I still get calls to do it). Maybe my favorite tool is my Park 4-sided spoke wrench. The thin loop one, not the heavy bunny-head-looking one. I like RC's choice of the round plastic DT wrench also.
Shop frustration stories: #1 remember when tubeless "standards" were all over the place? Mounting a Hutchinson tire on an old Stan's rim. Those old Hutch tires were 618mm for tubeless 29/700c and I'm pretty sure Stan's rims were 626mm. I got the pair on, but I'll bet they had to be cut off that rim when they were done. I did not recommend that combination, advised against it, but was still dumb enough to accept the job... Oh, and I once got DOT 4 in the eyes/mouth bleeding some old Hayes with their shitty bleed kit that would jump out of the caliper as soon as you looked at them. As much as it sucks having a whole bunch of bleed kits, at least they all pretty much work now.
Question for next podcast: What music does the team listen to? Whether that be getting pumped for a ride or just hanging around the garage, what's your favourite genre and band?
I'm looking at my Spotify right now and see a whole bunch of Boston, Rolling Stones, Wu-Tang, The Band, Nipsey, Bob Seger, and waaaay too many podcasts.
I could talk for hours about music... My actual dream job is to host All Songs Considered. I listen to all sorts of stuff, everything from Nas to Brian Eno, but off the top of my head some of my constant favorites are Boris, Fugazi, Low, Dinosaur Jr., Sharon Van Etten, and so many more. Sepultura and Pantera are always in the mix when I want some classic heavy riffs.
I've also been way into Mdou Moctar lately, and there are some good tracks on the new Red Fang album.
Bleeding brakes... It's by far and away the worst job. I have tried and tried, now I just employ someone else for that one job.
Favourite tool; park tools Pro chain splitter. Can't count the number of cheap ones broken at key moments. A decent chain splitter with a floating centre guide and replaceable pins with a nice cushy handle and lots of controlled leverage makes this a job I now relish instead of dread.
Speaking of chain splitters, I love the little green aluminum quick link tool from OneUp. I take my chain off too often, so this little guy is amazing for me.
Mountain bike brakes are so annoying. Not only are they inconsistent from brake to brake (same model), they all require different fittings, procedures, and tricks to get it done as best possible. Mountain bike brakes are always trying to be too light and fancy. Add 50g and make them work all the time, please.
My favorite is working on BMX bikes. Only need three tools, not a toolbox worth and a tuned up bmx bike are the most satisfying drop tests ever. Only hear the tires and maybe a hint of cable at most.
Favorite tool is a death wheel for cutting housing.
The older I9 Torch hubs were the same. And the springs were so small, you would never find them once they hit the floor. They shipped all hubs with a few extras, probably because they new this could be an issue. Not an issue any longer with the latest iteration of (wonderful) hubs.
On Mavic, I think they have moved away from sprung pawl/tooth. The latest hubs are all star ratchet style from what I have seen, which is a great move for them. Good news for us!
Yes, picky freehub internals should go away. I remember those old (and really light) WTB hubs that used a pawl system with a tiny spring pin that let everything completely disengage when you're not pedaling. Super clever, no drag, and so f*cking fragile.
Also, I once had a rear flat during a XC race, stopped, removed my wheel... and had my freehub fall off into the dirt because I was missing an interference fit O-ring that would have held it in place. I lost one Star Ratchet and one spring and skateboard pushed for 20km to the finish line.
Late to the party. I'm slightly obsessed with German Tools! Knipex adjustable wrench, side cutters, pliers and circlip pliers are amazing. My heuer vice is a work of art and Hazet hand tools are the bomb! Here are some product codes to help anyone out that might me interested....
KNIPEX Plier Wrench : - Knipex 86 03 125 (125mm Small version) - Knipex 86 03 180 (180mm Medium Size) - Knipex 86 03 250 (250mm Large Size) There are more sizes but these 3 have you covered. If had to buy just one 1 for bike work, then I would for for the medium 86 03 180
If you are looking for knipex pliers and side cutters, I think there are almost 2000 types, but if want a basic set to get you going then the Knipex 00 20 11 Assembly Set is sweet.. It has regular pliers, long nose pliers and a wicked pair of side cutters.
Knipex 00 19 56 Set of 4 Circlip Pliers. Probably complete overkill but they have you covered for any clippy thing you might want.
I could bang on all day about tools.
Also a great site for German tools is www.jensputzier.com They are one of the few shops that ship worldwide out of Germany. Shipping is relatively cheap and fast with DHL. They don't have all the German tool brands but they do stock all the Knipex Tool, Heuer vices, Stahlwille, Hazet and can stock any of the Reca Green Tools on request. If you are searching for knipex tools on the site, remove all the spaces in the serial codes - for example Knipex 8603125.
Finally, been waiting for this. I feel like I almost fix my bikes as much as I ride them. Ok, this might be a slight exaggeration but I still feel like it should be less. And it’s not that I only run cheap components. Nothing fancy either. Fox forks, DT Swiss hubs, Stans rims, Codes, you get the point. Anyone else feels like maintenance and repair is consuming too much of their (riding) time?
@mikelevy: mostly wearing out things, losing bolts on the trail, seeping sidewalls, popping tires, bent hangers and rims. Time consuming to stay on top of all of that! Luckily it’s not often that I break things. Knock on wood.
Favorite tool that I thought was stupid when I first saw it: Cushcore Beaddropper. It's actually a huge help with cushcore install/removal and other tight bead problems.
And sure, it's a $20 tire lever, but no one's going to steal it out of your tool box 'cause it looks like a sex toy.
Favorite tool; tap set (maybe park). I didn't use it everyday, but it wins for the amount of goodies it has provided me by saving peoples parts, bikes, and money. Second goes to the Silca THandle hex set. They aren't really better than a 3 way or standard hex set, but they're pretty and come in a leather roll.
Hated Jobs; Fixing a flat after someone says, "can't you just fix it now, it should only take 5 minutes". Close second was when we had our shop basically open access to the salesfloor, plenty of neck breathers as you worked on their bike. Hate that. Leave me alone while I work.
Favorite Job; used to work at a shop that was on the Tour Divide route in CO. Always rad to see Dividers come through as by that point they were pretty in the groove of things. We'd always jump them to the front of the queue to get them rolling. I've done some interesting things with Divide bikes to make them roll again, and seen some interesting bikes.
Injury; trying to get a tubeless Ardent on a WTB rim, no levers of course. Dislocated my left thumb and had basically no grip strength in that hand for about a month. I am no longer lever-averse.
A nice set of taps is worth more than its weight in gold. And I bet you saw some CRAZY bikes being on the Divide route. Those things are so interesting.
Favorite job, build wheels. Worst one: working on Tri-bikes. Worst customers most of the time, sweat, pee, power drinks, gu... and everything you can think of on the bike. Shop injury : fork air shaft punch a hole above my clavicule cause I forgot to release the air. I never forgot again
Question for the next podcast. Do you guys ever get recognized in public? Or are you like not "famous" enough.I feel like id just be like "hey that guy looks like mike levy" and continue on with my day.
I'd be like "hey that looks like one of the Mikes", spend five minutes trying to remember which one, miss the opportunity, and hours later realize I could have addressed either one as Mike.
I love these podcasts and the back and forth banter. My only critique would be to drop the "we get free stuff he he" type comments. It creates an aura of superiority and insider-ship that the cycling industry could certainly do with a lot less of.
Favorite/most valuable/most used: Arkane Wheels or BSC Tools double square nipple drivers. Park Tool TS2.2. Custom made tension meter from Filip Kralyevski.
Question for the next podcast. If you could only ride one brand of bikes, (For example Trek Commencal Transition) you could ride any of there bikes but you couldn’t ride bikes from other companies. Which Brand of bikes would you ride?
Good question. I'd want a brand that does some interesting/weird stuff, not just cookie-cutter bikes, and they'd need to sell mountain, road, and gravel...
Most embarrassing and worst injury in the repair bay, simultaneously: My first year as a mechanic and so surrounded by coworkers, inflating a tube with the compressor for the 100th time and not paying enough attention. Tube burst half a meter from my head, loud pop, everyone laughs, I install a new tube and keep it moving. A couple hours later on the train riding home I'm woozy and sleepy, like you sometimes feel after a concussion. A couple hours after that I experience my first ever panic attack, full on runaway adrenal meltdown with sweating, disorientation, brief loss of speech. Thought I was having a stroke. Housemate, a herpetologist, diagnoses it as panic attack, a condition I wasn't aware of at the time and so didn't believe!
Check that the tube isn't pinched under the tire bead, every time, friends
@mikelevy Question for next podcast: In the last podcast, you briefly mentioned the bike you and Kaz refer to as the Snufflophagus, however you spell it Which bike are you referring to exactly, and how did the nickname come about?
I really liked the bike - it has some awesome characteristics that made it very different from most other bikes - but I don't think its appearance helped.
Question: I’m struggling to get full travel out of the rockshox revelation fork on my hardtail. I’ve tried taking out the volume spacers, reducing the sag and even just riding harder but even on over-jumping landings and dropping to flat doesn’t use the last 20mm of travel. I’m currently running 25% sag, no volume spacers, no compression and 5 clicks of rebound. Any suggestions? Could this be a geometry issue given that the bike started as 27.5+ and is now a mullet with regular tyres? Thanks guy, love the podcast.
Take the air cap or valve core out and verify that you physically can get it to bottom out. I once overfilled the damper and kept getting hydraulic bottom out. From there, check your compression damping. Maybe a lighter oil would help? Also bar setup: lower bars put more weight and therefore force through the bars.
Question for next week: where do you think the corporate money for Wyn Masters' privateer award has gone? 2019 had a few big donations from brands, but it doesn't look like there's been any so far this year. We know they're not spending it on salaries
the drivetrain companies aren't wrong. yes, giving themselves an extra 2mm can absolutely improve bearing life. the problem is that we're cramming 30mm hollow aluminum spindles in a BB shell standard designed 50 years ago around steel square taper axles.
How about trying to use an old, frayed cable and having that one strand that won't cooperate? So you unwind that strand back to the lever and cut it off. Front derailleurs are the worst and now I love all the mechanical work.
Oh shit, that is terrible. I remember trying to save $2.50 shift cables like that and the whole thing just unraveling or poking me so damn hard.
I had to setup the front derailleurs on mine and my partner's Zwift bikes that are on trainers - the first time I've had to deal with front derailleurs in almost ten years. It was not pretty and I felt inadequate haha
@mikelevy: I have been known to pull out the big screwdriver for various fixes. Like the brand new (2002) Campy BB that you needed their tool for installation and removal. That's still running fine on my '01 Major Jake.
@levy oh man, this just reminded me thatyou sold me one of those god damn Stout tires for my old Proflex back at Pedal Sport. I could never get it off the rim and I remember the dread on your face when I brought it in to get removed. I’m sure you all had a good laugh.
Favourite tool: Jagwire cable cutters. Not for their cable cutting ability, but for the little hole in the middle that puts a beautiful 3-point crimp into the cable end-cap.
Favourite job: Besides wheel building - the nervous thrill of cutting the steerer tube on a brand new fork. That's living on the edge.
why would you need an electric drive train, why would they make your bike better, if you had this would it make you more capable or what types of MTB would be best to have a n E drivetrain on your bike.
Here’s an idea: we feed that AI @Charliewentoutside made everything we can find that RC has said. Its worth the risk of it becoming some synthetic divine being.
Another favourite almost-tool: fresh roll of blue shop towels
Least favorite maintenance job: anything headset related because I'm too lazy to remove my front caliper so my steer inevitably scratches my frame as is dangles from my bike like a lifeless body.
Oh, and RC, that Answer test track put me into the ICU for 2.5 weeks..
Favorite job: #1 building wheels (haven't been in the industry in four and I still get calls to do it). Maybe my favorite tool is my Park 4-sided spoke wrench. The thin loop one, not the heavy bunny-head-looking one. I like RC's choice of the round plastic DT wrench also.
Shop frustration stories: #1 remember when tubeless "standards" were all over the place? Mounting a Hutchinson tire on an old Stan's rim. Those old Hutch tires were 618mm for tubeless 29/700c and I'm pretty sure Stan's rims were 626mm. I got the pair on, but I'll bet they had to be cut off that rim when they were done. I did not recommend that combination, advised against it, but was still dumb enough to accept the job... Oh, and I once got DOT 4 in the eyes/mouth bleeding some old Hayes with their shitty bleed kit that would jump out of the caliper as soon as you looked at them. As much as it sucks having a whole bunch of bleed kits, at least they all pretty much work now.
Favourite tool; park tools Pro chain splitter. Can't count the number of cheap ones broken at key moments. A decent chain splitter with a floating centre guide and replaceable pins with a nice cushy handle and lots of controlled leverage makes this a job I now relish instead of dread.
Mountain bike brakes are so annoying. Not only are they inconsistent from brake to brake (same model), they all require different fittings, procedures, and tricks to get it done as best possible. Mountain bike brakes are always trying to be too light and fancy. Add 50g and make them work all the time, please.
On Mavic, I think they have moved away from sprung pawl/tooth. The latest hubs are all star ratchet style from what I have seen, which is a great move for them. Good news for us!
Also, I once had a rear flat during a XC race, stopped, removed my wheel... and had my freehub fall off into the dirt because I was missing an interference fit O-ring that would have held it in place. I lost one Star Ratchet and one spring and skateboard pushed for 20km to the finish line.
KNIPEX Plier Wrench :
- Knipex 86 03 125 (125mm Small version)
- Knipex 86 03 180 (180mm Medium Size)
- Knipex 86 03 250 (250mm Large Size)
There are more sizes but these 3 have you covered. If had to buy just one 1 for bike work, then I would for for the medium 86 03 180
If you are looking for knipex pliers and side cutters, I think there are almost 2000 types, but if want a basic set to get you going then the Knipex 00 20 11 Assembly Set is sweet.. It has regular pliers, long nose pliers and a wicked pair of side cutters.
Knipex 00 19 56 Set of 4 Circlip Pliers. Probably complete overkill but they have you covered for any clippy thing you might want.
I could bang on all day about tools.
Also a great site for German tools is www.jensputzier.com They are one of the few shops that ship worldwide out of Germany. Shipping is relatively cheap and fast with DHL. They don't have all the German tool brands but they do stock all the Knipex Tool, Heuer vices, Stahlwille, Hazet and can stock any of the Reca Green Tools on request. If you are searching for knipex tools on the site, remove all the spaces in the serial codes - for example Knipex 8603125.
And sure, it's a $20 tire lever, but no one's going to steal it out of your tool box 'cause it looks like a sex toy.
Hated Jobs; Fixing a flat after someone says, "can't you just fix it now, it should only take 5 minutes". Close second was when we had our shop basically open access to the salesfloor, plenty of neck breathers as you worked on their bike. Hate that. Leave me alone while I work.
Favorite Job; used to work at a shop that was on the Tour Divide route in CO. Always rad to see Dividers come through as by that point they were pretty in the groove of things. We'd always jump them to the front of the queue to get them rolling. I've done some interesting things with Divide bikes to make them roll again, and seen some interesting bikes.
Injury; trying to get a tubeless Ardent on a WTB rim, no levers of course. Dislocated my left thumb and had basically no grip strength in that hand for about a month. I am no longer lever-averse.
Worst one: working on Tri-bikes. Worst customers most of the time, sweat, pee, power drinks, gu... and everything you can think of on the bike.
Shop injury : fork air shaft punch a hole above my clavicule cause I forgot to release the air. I never forgot again
Good tools are always a great investment.
-RC
Check that the tube isn't pinched under the tire bead, every time, friends
www.rockcitycycles.ca/product/dt-swiss-spokey-pro-spoke-wrench-393251-1.htm?variations=3846304?utm_source=google%20shopping&utm_medium=organic&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI3d-9weeQ8QIVEBmtBh0xBgOKEAQYAyABEgJDMfD_BwE
I really liked the bike - it has some awesome characteristics that made it very different from most other bikes - but I don't think its appearance helped.
I had to setup the front derailleurs on mine and my partner's Zwift bikes that are on trainers - the first time I've had to deal with front derailleurs in almost ten years. It was not pretty and I felt inadequate haha
Favourite tool: Jagwire cable cutters. Not for their cable cutting ability, but for the little hole in the middle that puts a beautiful 3-point crimp into the cable end-cap.
Favourite job: Besides wheel building - the nervous thrill of cutting the steerer tube on a brand new fork. That's living on the edge.
Fancy: www.endurobearings.com/products/tools/pedal-dummy-tool-ct-010
Do it, I love that shit!