The Pinkbike Podcast: What Loic Bruni is Hiding, OE Deals and Motocross with Öhlins' Terje Hansen

Nov 6, 2023
by Henry Quinney  
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Art by Taj Mihelich

Why couldn't you ride Loic's bike? And why is your setup so bad compared to a World Cup Racer's machine? TJ explores the topic with Henry.

Note - During the first exchange you might hear some background noise (a small fan that we used on a hot day). The rest of the interview doesn't feature this sound.


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37 Comments
  • 19 1
 I am really enjoying Henry's interviews. Not sure if he scripts up his questions or works them out on the fly. If it's the latter then it's impressive how he thinks on his feet. Also great that he asks the tough questions in a disarming way. Hope to hear more like this.
  • 9 1
 Oh thanks! Just winging it to be fair - so I'll take that as high praise!
  • 2 0
 @henryquinney: your podcasts consistently carry me through days of office boredom, keep up the great work

The PB pods in general are very enjoyable, without people talking over each other and interesting discussions
  • 1 1
 @henryquinney: I really like you doing the podcast Henry, but if I'm honest I took a break from the podcast after you were commenting saying you didn't even want to be doing it when people kept banging on about El Pablo's absence. I love listening to your long winded fabulous kind of a question antics - but if you didn't want to be doing them for (with) us, I get we're frustrating dickheads, who probably make your life hell, but it kind of hurt.

Anyway, I've come back, and am loving your style and general good vibe.

Thank you to all of you for doing it, it gets me through many a glum non bike related work day,
  • 15 0
 @MrRight: That's fair, and I'm glad you've come back to it.

I think it's not that I didn't want to do it, but rather I was doing it out of a kind of sense of duty to keep my friend's project alive and well should he ever wish to come back to it, at a time where I was very very busy. In the face of that, I think I was overly sensitive to the criticism of not being Levy, while also people demanding a podcast every week. Quite frankly, I should have thicker skin by now. It just felt like a strange place to be in for a little while. That said, I've been able to change it around a little and make it more my sort of thing (we all have different tastes and Levy and I are no different).

My idea for the podcast though is that it should represent everyone at PB and I'm actively encouraging everyone to get involved. I don't want it to be the Henry-show, but rather a podcast that I produce (and often feature on) that features a wider variety of hosts, anchors and guests. I hope that makes sense. If we only had one writer on PB it would be strange, and I would love the podcast to have a few different flavours.

Here's to many more - cheers.
  • 3 0
 Trunnion mount sucks! My trunnion mount goes through a shaft bolt 1x and 2x shock bushings per season. Not expecting the shock to last forever if that is what it is doing to the hardware...Glad to finally hear it that it sucks from a shock manufacturer.
  • 4 2
 Steve from Vorsprung had a whole video saying how trunnion mounts are horrible for shocks.
Now he is making a trunnion mount shock. Smile

Don't feed the stupidity, just say no to trunnion!
There are still plenty of frame mfgs who don't use them.
  • 6 0
 To run a successful business, you have to cater to customer demand...

His criticisms were a bit more nuanced than "trunnion bad". It can be designed around, but it makes designing in longevity more difficult.
  • 1 6
flag bikebasher FL (Nov 6, 2023 at 17:53) (Below Threshold)
 @boozed: Yeah, like being a car mfg and saying fossil fuels suck, while designing your new gas guzzling V8.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9Lpxj9zVis&ab_channel=VorsprungSuspension

If Steve really followed his own words, he would just have designed a non-trunnion shock and let the customers choose that for frames it would work with. And then maybe even less mfgs would produce trunnion mounts.

Customers never demanded the trunnion mount, it was a decision made by the mfgs to make frame design easier.
  • 2 0
 @bikebasher: "Customers never demanded the trunnion mount" while technically true, is a bit disingenuous and at best ignores the realities of product design. Customers don't directly ask for a specific shock design, they ask for all the features that benefit from or are facilitated by the improved packaging.
  • 7 0
 @bikebasher: I think that's a bit unfair to Vorsprung. Every shock manufacturer I've spoken to has consistently disliked them since the inception of the design, and you're not bagging on them.
  • 2 4
 @henryquinney: Who do you think developed the interface? Trunnion was not simply conceived by the bike mfgs and pushed on the suspension companies. It was a joint effort with some of the large bike mfgs who wanted the shock to take up less space for the same stroke (to make frame design easier), and certain suspension mfgs. I was a member of the engineering group at one of those large bike mfgs when it was being developed.

Vorsprung doesn't have to make trunnion, they are not battling for OE spec with Fox and RS.

And there are plenty of companies that don't use it. Off the top of my head; Santa Cruz, Canyon, Rocky Mountain, Ibis, Nukeproof (RIP), Deviate, etc.
  • 5 0
 @bikebasher: I still think you're being a bit unfair to Vorsprung. I think that the charge of hypocrisy is easily made, and often the most sensationalist. Bike brands have really passionate people working for them, but they also have numbers to crunch. I don't know exactly what the start of Trunnion came from, but I have spoken to reasonably high-up engineers in some big companies who said that they didn't want it from the get-go.

Don't get me wrong, trunnion deserves to be universally shit on, but not just throwing it at one person's door.
  • 2 0
 Conversely, it's a great business decision if he says up front your shock is going to fail, we're not going to warranty it, but keep coming back and buying more when it does break.
  • 1 0
 Trunnion mount is generally ok as long as the bike is designed properly, i.e if I twist the rear triangle, the lower shock mount should not move. The advantage is being able to fit a bigger air volume inside the shock. Unfortunately, that is not the case for many frames. But in the end, clueless people are going to buy these frames anyways, so I fully support Vorsprung profiting of those people.
  • 2 0
 Rad interview Henry. In regards to technical climbing you have a point except that the chassis needs to be corrected for rear weight bias due to the incline. Did I hear it correctly that Loic/Finn’s setups are rely more on damping than spring rate but still run sag in the normal range? Judging by how soft their setup appears this doesn’t jive, or us it that the rest of the WC field is running some massive spring rates, cause it’s a common story that they are running heavy damping as well.
  • 1 0
 I’m also interested to hear about the talk about damping and spring rate.

With damping, I suppose we’re talking about compression damping, and I guess both low and high.
Rebound damping I guess has to be less, quite open, to rebound with the lower spring rate.
  • 1 0
 @henryquinney, as a user of the telemetry myself it would be interesting to know what different pro's are running dynamic sag wise both front and rear (at the axle, not the shock). More importantly the delta between the front and rear. Is there an optimal delta? are they "balancing" dynamic sag equally?
  • 2 0
 I think for me I'm still very much learning. I think for me it's typically 20-25% on the fork and 30-35 on the rear but I think it depends on a few variables. I'll ask somebody in the know next time I come across them though!
  • 5 0
 Henry is a clever chap. An interesting take on damping.
  • 3 0
 I'm going to agree with you. He has been consistently impressing me.
  • 4 0
 @JLantz:
I agree with you; Henry is the Troy Brosnan of Pinkbike
  • 2 1
 @henryquinney very interesting and well made podcast! Loved it!
Only one thing where I kinda "disagree" ... The part near the end where you discuss locked out suspension for going upwards "It's a mountainbike - I don't care how it rides on tarmac"

For many mountainbikers, myself included, (don't know if that is a europe thing?) the vast majority of climbing I do is on tarmac and / or very nice / small gravely / fireroads. Grip is a none issue there. Efficiency is.
As soon as I'm on top of the mountain, and as I'm dropping into the trail (that would be faaaaaar to steep to climb it on a bike (or even on an ebike)) grip (and support obviously) gets very important.

What I'm saying is, a good (at my home (Austria, near the Alps) a very great) percentage (according to a recent local questionaire over 65%) of climbing a montainbike is onroad, not offroad - to approach the trails. Maybe thats one of the reasons why many people here prefer RS shocks over FOX? They lockout harder. And thats a plus around here for the majority of climbs ... as is a bunch of travel. So, pretty much Enduro (in a sense of efficient climbing and DH like shredding afterwards) ;-)
  • 5 0
 Yeah, but I don't disagree with that at all - and having a lockout is a sensible idea. The idea, however, that by default a bike should be made with a shit ton of antisquat and wacky compression tunes or gizmos all so you can ride up a tarmac road is daft, to me at least
  • 1 0
 Yes, I love my Cane Creek Kitsuma Coil over my Fox DHX2 just because it has a good lockout for the road up to the top.

Anybody else agree or disagree?
  • 1 0
 @henryquinney I've been thinking about this for a while. Mabe this is worth discussing in a podcast again...

I get your point that a motorized offroad vehicle needs good suspension to keep traction on uphill sections and therefore your conclusion, that a true lockout for mtb suspension does not make sense, makes sense.

But: Those vehicles you talked about weigh an awful lot more than a mountainbike. The driver of a Baja truck weighs a fraction of the vehicle itself and cannot do anything to the chassis to help it keep traction, because of inertia. That's why the truck needs huge amounts of suspension and clever damping.

With a mountainbike it's different. A mountainbike is about a fifth of the weight of the rider, on average, I'd guess. So the rider has way more inertia, but can also manipulate the bike in many ways in order to keep traction.

When was the last time you rode rigid bike, Henry?
It can be a quite rewarding experience Wink
  • 14 10
 Suppose podcast art is the closest thing we'll get to Levy now.
  • 2 3
 Ya kinda funny he’s still on there.
  • 12 1
 @BiNARYBiKE: When I go on holiday my boss doesn't take my name off my desk?
  • 2 0
 Compression damping or not, loics bike looks so soft it would be unridable to me. I still don’t get it
  • 1 0
 Henry. When you switched up your the on your suspension from firm to soft did you find your riding style having to adjust? Did you have to be more active on the bike?
  • 2 0
 Yeah, I would say so. Now on turning in and through the apex of turns I can modulate grip with the inside hand more which makes a big difference to feel and confidence for me personally where as before it felt like the front could snatch.
  • 1 0
 Firmed up your what? What’s supposed to be their instead of the word “the”?
  • 3 0
 I swear I just heard @henryquinney say "Went Öhl-in with Specialized"!
  • 2 1
 Not really enjoying listening to Henry very much ... he still talks far too much when he interviews people. For gods sake let the guest talk.
  • 1 0
 Love your podcasts @henryquinney
You ask really good questions and get very different conversations compared to a lot of other mtb podcasts/interviews.
  • 4 7
 levy where are you







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