Trailforks Now Provides Garmin Jump Stats

 They should also track collarbone breaks on a trail.

 @HB208: suture Sunday?

 @RadBartTaylor: Major Surgery Monday

 @HB208: Trauma Tuesday?

 @schlockinz: That's better than my idea, damn.

 @HB208: Whiplash Wednesday

 Thoracic Surgery Thursday

 @RadBartTaylor: weee-ooooo weee-ooooo wednesday

 @microwaveric: no sympathy from the.....wife Wednesday, doesn't flow well but know it to be 100% true

 @HB208: fracture friday

 Broken collarbone day

 @HB208: As someone who's broken his collarbone twice in two years, both at places on different trails that friends have crashed at, I'd love this. Like Mario maker fail map for nerds who know.

 @Wander512: Man, that's a rough two years. I still haven't broken my collarbone (knock on wood).

 broken bone bthursday

 This will soon be one of the Premium Plus Plus features that Outside magazine will be bringing shortly to the platform

 You all joke, but wait until some trail associations start seeing there is actually a few places riders are going big on the trails and start making changes to reduce risk. It will happen.

 @lenniDK: Think we already have that.

 @HB208: fancy saying that!

 @pourquois-pas: my thoughts exactly. All they gotta do is look at the app now.

Local trail enforcement kooks: "It looks like 17 Joey's got buck wild and broke themselves off in this section this month. Better smooth out that rock garden.."

 I wanna see this guys stats!!!

Garmin and Trailforks should sponsor him

www.pinkbike.com/news/photo-story-131-days-in-the-whistler-bike-park.html

 @pourquois-pas: put your profile on private

 I don't know, I think I'd prefer obnoxious bro types hucking jumps for airtime achievements, rather than blasting blind two-way singletrack corners for Strava.

 @jakalwil: Both can stay home as far as I'm concerned. To each their own, but the best rides are when I leave electronics in the truck. I don't care if I was fast, as long as it felt fast and fun.

People need to get over this incessant need to fulfil ego by tracking. measuring, competing and sharing everything. It isn't good for our collective psyche to be constantly comparing ourselves on every level. For some it's just good fun, but for most it's just another input to the anxiety spiral.

 @pourquois-pas: ever consider some people track purely for curiosity and health tracking? I always record on my watch, but I also "don't care if I was fast, as long as it felt fast and fun". It's not the electronics themselves that make people crazy, it's the people's reactions to the electronics.

I've never once gotten upset because someone "ruined my segment time", because I really don't care how I am compared to anyone else but myself. But having all the stats available does allow me to see things like general improvement over time, or niggling injuries are actually bad enough to take break as proven by changes in the ride log, or if I'm getting sick and should slow down or take a break to promote faster recovery.

 @justinfoil: Cool, we'd probably have a hoot riding together!

I still think we are collectively spending too much time measuring up against each other, even people who do it for seemingly casual or fun purposes, admittedly like myself... hence the tech free rides tend to be more enjoyable. I get human drive and competitiveness, but it feels like tech sometimes tries to quantify things that should remain subjective.

 @pourquois-pas: well, analyzing bike shit in between work shit when I can't be riding anyway doesn't really hurt anything, and might help make shit more enjoyable (less bent bolts or smashed shocks means more riding. Even something like puzzling on brake pads for a ride or two could mean more speed for less arm pump for the rest of time, for example), so f*ck it, keep on tech-ing on, IMHO.

 @pourquois-pas: People need to get over this incessant need to fulfill their ego by critiquing the way in which other people choose to track or not track their ride as well (not specifically talking to you mate, just a trend I see). The pretentious folk who view themselves as above stravaites are just as bad or good as the stravaites it seems. Just play with your damn bike

 I wonder how long it'll take me to jump Everest 6" at a time.

 Lets call up Uncle Rico.

 @Brazinsteel: Let's say you hike that 6ft jump, and it takes you 2min per jump, and you do that three hours a day, you'll be doing 180/2*6=540ft per day, so with Everest being 29030ft you'll need 29030/540=54 days.

 @Rodeodave: Or you just change the log data with the editor like in strava and jump one single 29030ft drop

 @Rodeodave: Actually I was shooting for 6 inches. Shit now you need to redo the math. Lol

 That actually sounds kind of fun.

 Well, since someone has to set the lowest score as a baseline...(raises hand)

 Minimum jump score required to enter contests.

 This is why they’re trying to flog ridiculous eDJ bikes to us? lol

Jump with motor = bigger jump

 @codypup: Did you just raise your hand while holding your Garmin? Cuz that jump was almost three feet. Sweet.

 @noapathy: You Must Jump This High to Ride This Trail

 Totally true. After trying out the feature on my favorite jump trail I could kind of tell how far I jumped, but I still liked seeing if I had jumped my furthest. I also like seeing how jumps compare between different locations

 "If u don't clear, you've case..." Bicky Robby LLC

 I'm not the slightest bit curious about how far I've jumped, what I'm more curious about is how long I was in the air and how separated I was from the ground (I never can tell).

 @SuperHighBeam: So true, when I scroll down the list of jumps, I don't even bother looking at any jump that doesn't start with a 1.xx sec hang-time. There is one really long and flat sender on my test run where the distance is fun to try and beat my best

 @SuperHighBeam: one of the hardest jumps I've done had very little air time. You look at the metric and it's a "no big deal". Then you look at the speed I was going and the distance traveled and you get a rough idea how big the gap was.

But I've done jumps at the bike park that were nowhere as impressive, since anyone can hit them, and they had great hang time.

So I kinda stopped paying attention.

 @JSTootell: To each his own. Some want distance others want air time.

 ahhhhh!

 Username checks out

 What was the G-Force on impact if the bike completely stops moving. Hmmm...that could might work.

 They could track deceleration or G forces....

 @todd: "jump score" -minus- "g-force/impact score" = "Send it Score"

 @RadBartTaylor: The Garmin has crash detection built in

 @Alaplaca76: good point, you mean the one that beeps at me every time I lay my bike over to take a leak? Seems like they could incorporate that somehow

 @RadBartTaylor: Had to turn that function off on my first ride

 @k-n-i-x-o-n: it's like in those old James movies where the bad guys set the self destruct button on building and it's counting down 5...4...3...2..while I zip up my pants and run over to try and disarm it before it send the misses a message I'm dead on the trail somewhere...

 @todd: Hi, I see JUMP duplicates it is known bug ? on the same ride I have all jumps x2 Cheers Tomek

 Quantified shame!

 You'll probably track more airtime if you don't jump and stay in the plane until the fasten seatbelt sign has dimmed.

 next generation? dude you are 30!

 I just googled that question, and the answer was "no"

 Does it work outside Canada?

 I think this feature is a step toward being able to quantify trail difficulty in a way that can scale to everywhere. I guess that could be considered a Fun index.

 You can do that today. Many trail associations do this today to keep track. Any work hours can be assigned as a report. Trail condition reports have a form called "Trail Work" where you can provide this information. You can then view work report date ranges by region to track attendance, hours, etc.

 @todd: Thanks, I will definitely spread the word. I have tried logging trail work as hikes on Strava with mixed results.

 So easily e-doped too, just throw the f*#(ing thing

 @RadBartTaylor: now you just gotta find it so you can upload.

In all seriousness, accelerometers know when they’re tumbling randomly through the air vs traveling a smooth arc in a stable orientation. An above average arduino nerd could write the code to tell the difference.

 @Blackhat: write me code to know when it's attached to a drone....watch out Evil Kneivel

 They do. You might need to have the Fenix mounted on your handlebars to get the jump detection to work properly.

 In testing this feature I multiple bike park laps over multiple days with an Edge 830. For low speed it is not very accurate, and gives you credit for little wheelies and such. But once you start to do some real table tops and gaps, its really good.

 @steflund: Problem is I will loose the other metric data from the other sensors (HR etc).

 @todd: I've been in two minds about getting a 130plus, knowing this has given me some more confidence. Thanks.

 @philv: I have mine setup to send all my Garmin data to Trailforks and Strava, so I keep it all. Garmin can send to multiple apps.

 @philv: Got the Fenix 5 Plus with the same feature. Never have worked out so far.
But I also never check the garmin app/page because who needs that when you have strava , haha.

 Yeah. It's not terribly accurate overall, but on the bigger jumps I think it's close. Close enough at least to see progression between rides, and that's all I'm really concerned with.

To me the most exciting thing about trailforks importing it will be that, according to the description at least, the UI sounds better than the *terrible* UI of the jump stats on Garmin connect.

In Garmin connect it shows you a sequential list of all the jumps on your ride, but there is *no* easy way, apart from actually counting the number of icons on the map, from the beginning, to get the position, to tell *where* in the ride jumps are on the list. It's maddening, to say the least. Would it have been that hard to code it so that a click on a jump in the list highlights the corresponding icon on the ride map?

 The fenix 6 only offers flow and grit according to garmin, It does not offer jump dynamics

 @todd: ideally you need a wheel sensor on for this to work accurately. GPS data in steep mountainous terrain is worthless (bike parks).

 @todd: Ah, so it sucks for the vast majority of riders. Good to know.

 @pourquois-pas: usually when you buy a computer you can get a super cheap wheel sensor.

 Any device that provides jump metrics in the Garmin data will be picked up. We don't differentiate between device types, we just check the data for jump (distance, hangtime, speed, score)

 @todd: Will TF auto import past rides data once the garmin account is connected? Or is it any ridelogs moving forward? Assuming if the former it will take some time to populate the data?

 @Jcmonty: No, we can't query the Garmin Connection, we only receive what they send us. Right now that is a completed ride recording. Basically all jump tracking numbers start now. But hey, that just means you gotta go hit all your biggest jumps again.

 @todd: Wait, wait. It won't give how much air? Distance, hangtime, speed, and score are great and all, but what I really want to know is how high I jumped off the ground...can it tell me that?

 @SuperHighBeam: The data includes a tag for height, but the value is not populated. I don't know if Garmin intends to get that working in the future or not. But I am not sure how they would do it. Is air pressure change accurate enough, triangulation, etc.

 @todd: I basically just count my bunny hops.

 @todd: I suspect the Garmin altimeter isn’t accurate and/or precise enough to reliably produce a jump height for any one ride. However, It wouldn’t be too involved to calculate height from other metrics if you could use aggregate data to get an accurate enough elevation of the takeoff and landing to tell if it’s a level jump, step up, or step down/drop. Feel free to hit me up if you’re interested in doing this; I’d be happy to help.

 @feldybikes: Seems like with a sampling of baseline rides without jumping you should be able to map out a trail in 3 dimensions which should permit evaluation of jump height by comparing elevations along the trail. GPS measures in 3 dimensions. Not sure if the altimeter is more or less sensitive than the GPS measurement. Barometric altimeters are sensitive to changes in weather which can skew elevation measurements if I'm not mistaken. I'm not interested in doing this, but I'd be interested to see someone else do it

 @SuperHighBeam: while GPS does map in 3 dimensions, the z direction terribly inaccurate. It’s my understanding this is the reason many GPSes also have altimeters. I like the idea of using “no-jump” data to map out altitude. The question is if there’s enough tracks that show jump data for the ride (indicating they have the function enabled) but no jump at any or particular location. I think one would probably want to use the median of many points to get a reasonably accurate picture.

 @feldybikes: This is a good point. Paragliding using barometric altimeters in the top tier system due to the sensitivity. I'm not sure how those pressure measurements are converted into precise and accurate elevation measurements though. An again, to really get that jump height measurement a trail would need to be characterized without a rider jumping off of anything. Maybe a hiker with a pedometer equipped with a barometric altimeter?

 It will drive you nuts until you can figure out how to turn off the stupid jump alerts. Imagine going down a trail with the thing constantly beeping at you to let you know you just “jumped”. No shit Sherlock, I would have never known if you didn’t beep. I like my Garmin to track rides, but shake my head at some of these “features”.

 @carym: Yah I turn off the audio notifications, but can still see the jump data and compare with my other sessions. Would be nice if you could set some kind of threshold in the unit, like a minimum jump score or metric.

 @carym: maybe there's a setting to adjust the sensitivity so that it only detects jumps over a certain size. If not, it'll come.

 @todd: it's overly sensitive too, I get a jump notification from a manual or roller.

 With a Garmin and a slingshot there's no way I'll lose.

 @mikekazimer: But levy will be in spandex...I mean Lycra.

 TrailForks is all user provided data, why can't you provide the fix you want? Even if the trail is already marked with bad GPS alignment you can submit what you think is the correct alignment and the admin can take your data instead or better yet aggregate all the rides that cross that section to make the alignment more accurate.

 @NSmith11: The admin(s) is the problem, he is too local and won't add most trails to try and keep them secret, even if they have existed for many many years. Trailforks is basically used to steer tourists away from the fun stuff.

 I've logged a few rides with my Garmin since this announcement, and have yet to see it show up in my ride logs. Data is there in Garmin Connect, just not Trailforks.

 Go hand measure the flat jump after the big sender that parallels Vertigo. If you hit it from jump to the turn it is over 50 feet

 @todd: that is 100% false… there’s nothing on levitate even close to 50 feet including the big stepdown IF you send it to the bottom…

 @todd: or better yet, you go measure it and send us pics

 @tacoshoppedrew: Sorry, I'm not talking about the big sender, you don't go that far there. The flat jump at the bottom doesn't feel like you go very far because hang time is only 1.1-1.2 seconds, but you're going 31+ mph when you hit it. If your hangtime is even 1 second at 31 mph, that is 45 feet. Satellite imagery confirms, lip to start of the turn is 60+ feet.

But I would be interested to go out there with a tape measure and see it with my own eyes

 Put down the double espresso...reset the CAPS lock...and breathe in through the nose and out the mouth.

 My thoughts exactly, just not screaming.

 This is why we are getting more users to connect their Garmin accounts, to get more jump data and create averages and a jump heatmap. Yes a single ride might not be accurate.

 @canadaka: are you then going to charge us for more crowd sourced data? Oh wait, never mind

 @levie125: Connecting Garmin account, tracking Ridelogs, viewing personal and aggregated jump data is all free.

 @canadaka: just like trailworks was free?

 We fly bikes now

 Just another tuesday

 Nvm, figured it out but can’t delete my comment.

 Is "Yes, err no. Maybe?" a valid answer?

I feel like trailforks support is gaslighting me at this point. I was wondering the same as you, so I emailed support asking about it on the 13th after logging a few rides, since the initial announcement, and seeing nothing. Not just no data, but the tab wasn't even there in the interface. I had tried a couple different browsers, incognito mode, cleared cookies, emptied browser cache, etc. No dice.

Next day I get an email back saying, "Just click on the tab on your ride log and you'll see the data.", with screenshots of my ride log and the "Jumps" tab. So I log into confirm, and lo and behold there's the previously missing tab with my jump stats having magically appeared. Same for all the rides (only 3) logged since the initial announcement.

So I reply to support, saying something along the lines of, "Tell me you flipped a switch on the back end or re-imported those rides or something 'cause I *know* that tab wasn't there."

To which they reply (paraphrasing here), "Nope. Din't do nuthin' Maybe it was cached or something..."

Cut to about a week later sans riding, 'cause my suspension was out for service, and I finally log a ride yesterday morning. Loggin into Trailforks just now to check, and guess what, no jump tab on the log for that ride. I'm half-expecting someone from trailforks to read this and it will magically appear next time I log in.

Suffice to say, I think there are some bugs to be worked out.