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SRAM AXS Battery Solar Charging Could be Coming to your Fender & Bottle Cage
By: Jessie-May Morgan
Solar arrays on everyday bike components could massively reduce the risk of running down your AXS batteries mid-ride.
Banning pedals....pedals!!! Without the gigantic bureaucracy of the Useless Cycling Imbeciles (UCI) who would ban the pedals? God how did a activity/sport as beneficial to humans as bicycle racing and riding end up with a bunch of shitbags like the UCI?
But without god-savior UCI, we might have to suffer through the great injustice of some riders angling their shifter hoods in a bit. All glory to the great and mighty UCI for protecting us poor pleebs from any meaningful innovation and evolution of sport!
Rex Ryan enters the chat: "going to need some closeups of these oversized shoe cleats and pedals...and maybe some feet. article lacks images."
Seriously though, it sounds like it was more of a registration issue and not that the pedals/cleats were banned. That said, if a registration issue...why wasn't that flagged before stage 1? its all a mess and not a good look for the UCI (but whats new)
The manufacturers all well know the process.
Simply submit a sample to ensure it meets current rules and regulations, and does not present any safety issues.
@SATN-XC: Yup, since they aren't available for purchase at the moment they have to submit a form to register it as a prototype. Not sure where on the chain it wasn't approved (not submitted, submitted too late, error in the reg, etc) but it sounds like just the UCI following it's rules.
But you're right, the worst part is that they informed the team the morning before the start so they were left scrambling to find replacement pedals, cleats, and shoes. They obviously knew well before that but decided to wait till the last minute.
@mwglow: LIsten I've said it before, and I'll say it again Honesty, truth and levity is much welcomed in the comment section. I'm going to assume thise that had all the negative comments likely didnt even read the article, but just skimmed the headline, much like I did.
theres usually 2 sides to every story, so getting some version of the other side is appreciated
@onawalk: most people read the article. The ridiculousness of the UCI banning those pedals, or at least hogging their usage in the middle of a race at one of the most inopportune times is just bureaucratic shenanigans. The fact that any bike racing team has to apply to use a pair of pedals is absolutely ridiculousness. In addition, the timing of the 'ban' either highlights the absolute ineptitude and bureaucracy of the UCI or sheds light on the possibility of nefarious intent by the UCI or another team.
The pedals were banned because of a simple, and actually quite reasonable rule: all materials used in a race must be available to the public also (within a certain time span). That ensures the products are safe and follow regulations. Suppose a team showed up with prototype rear wheels, totally closed. There could be a hub motor in it, for all we know.
Ekoi was to late submitting the required paper work, so the result is they were not allowed to use the pedals.
@big-red: It's not about injustice, it's about safety. if you leave highly competitive athletes, some will stop at nothing to gain a competitive edge. That goes for doping, but also for the material they use, and how they use it. Puppy paws, super tuck… it's fast, but it's also potentially pretty dangerous if you go at pro racer speeds, in a peloton, on hairpin descends, etc. It's the same with inward position shifters: it's more aero, but it's also harder to steer and brake properly. And also, current handlebars are not designed to withstand the forces of shifters set up like that. So you regulate stuff like that, to basically protect the riders from themselves. No of course, you can debate just where those lines need to be drawn - no matter where you draw the lines, people will always debate it - but it's not unreasonable to draw a line.
UCI has set of rules, either follow them or dont, your choice. If you choose not to, well youre at your own risk. Thats pretty straightforward. It just "a rule" its not specifically about pedals, pedals just fall under "the rule"
Im not sure any of us have all the info, so feel free to cast that stone, but I prefer to have as much info as possible prior to making a judgment YMMV.
You have no idea who did or didnt read the article, see previous comment
The pedals were banned because of a simple, and actually quite reasonable rule: all materials used in a race must be available to the public also (within a certain time span). That ensures the products are safe and follow regulations. Suppose a team showed up with prototype rear wheels, totally closed. There could be a hub motor in it, for all we know.
Ekoi was to late submitting the required paper work, so the result is they were not allowed to use the pedals.
As well as comments by @FisherFreerider There was no first stage in reality, it was cancelled due to protests unrelated to cycling.
@onawalk: Few good points. In most cases I would reserve judgment on "rules" and decisions. However, the "for sale to the public" rule is overarching, nebulous and has close to zero to do with safety. Maybe the original spirit, but hardly executed as such. In addition, the UCI had a long track record of vague, unrealistic, ridiculous and at times malicious behavior. This is just another example IMO and no doubt many others feel the same. I stand by my posts on this one.
@bman33: I mean, it seems like a pretty easy rule to follow, and prohibits to some extent the "buying" of wins through mechanical advantage, and makes it more about the rides and teams. A sort of levelling of the playing field to some degree. Your welcome to disagree with a rule, all of us are, doesnt mean its right. Loads of people can share your opinion, doesnt make it right. 500 years ago, the general consensus was that the world was flat, it was the popular opinion at the time....
the rule would have a direct impact on rider safety, as products sold to consumers go through much more rigorous testing and standards requirements.
@onawalk: Comparing the clowns who believe 'world is flat' to this case is hyperbole at best. The rule was written intentially vaugue by UCI . Safety may have been a concern on paper, but to believe that is the full intent and methodology for enforment is naive. This is the UCI. If we are talking about 'safety' , why do we have a full peleton running double digit MPH on skinny tires, drop bars down mountain highways with riders wearing nothing but glorified spandex, helmets only? They don't care about 'safety' as much as many would like to think. The homologation or 'sell to consumers' rules is window dressing. It its often used by the 'big player' teams or manufactureres to superss competion they feel threatened by in a similar fashion may large corp love big regulatory requirements to roadblock small start ups from threatening their market share. For example many of the top level teams may have frames that appear factory, but the carbon layups, dimensions, etc are pushing boundaries and have zero chance getting to the consumer. They just have paint and decals making them appear 'factory' or retail ready.
@bman33: Its just as hyperbolic (awesome) as mentioning so many also share your opinion (how you could possibly base that in fact is beyond me). "The world is flat" argument would have been fairly relevant at the time, the only reason it seems silly now is with the benefit of hindsight.
Theres more than one justification for the rule, and in reality, its a pretty easy rule to abide by. Theres also a bureaucratic element to the story in regards to the timing of the application, again seems pretty easy, and is the same rule for everyone (I'm sure youll point out some sort of obscure example to aid your argument)
Sure, the big players can game the system, so can the smaller ones, being creative with rules is what creates competition on different levels. I dont blindly believe any of it one way or another, and that was my original point to you, the jumping to conclusions based on incorrect facts, not actually reading all the available info, and hoping on that bandwagon of hating the UCI doesnt help to serve anything. Keep in mind, they missed an application deadline, to circumvent an established rule, there to likely aid in exactly what youre so upset that the UCI is doing (provideing a pathway for smaller compaines, and innovation). If it was the other way, youd be upset that the UCI allowed a competitive advantage to a company that couldnt simply follow the rules. You see how that creates a "no-win" situation?
And then again ! Clcik on one of the above a link and here it goes again ! @sarahmoore So I can copy and paste my previous comment : Pinkbike, can we talk cookies? Your consent form is a piece of crap; there's no button to refuse all cookies, including those that fall under the so-called "legitimate interest". Right now it's a real pain in the ass. Please give us a "Refuse all" button !
Unfortunately because the website is hosted/based out of Europe they don't have any requirement to have a system like that in place, and so probably won't develop one.
@ratedgg13: Well they use a system I've seen on a few others websites, some kind of paying plugin I guess. They can just swap to another plugin with a "Reject all" button. No big deal here !
don't recall the link but recently saw a great youtube video on drop bar conversions for MTB hardtails being used at events like Leadville...that's where this is all going. It also went into detail on the XC race tires having lower rolling resistance than gravel tires due to their ability to have thinner sidewalls...so no need for skinny tires (though there is an aero penalty I guess)
"SRAM AXS Battery Solar Charging Could be Coming to your Fender & Bottle Cage" Or you can just spend the 15 minutes, run a cable housing and not have to deal with all the electrical crap.
There's no need to solve the equation for N because Stridsland says the answer is 1 (their bike!). But even then, they're a bit bashful about the claim. Very cool bike nonetheless.
eh....Article says "...and could face up to five years in prison." Don't see anything about this being consequence free. Also, not too sure about the legal system in France but here in the States there are criminal and civil consequences. Even if not convicted criminally (typically a higher standard) I'm sure they'll likely face civil consequences when each of the 12 riders individually sue these guys.
I thought about covering this story. Ultimately I ended up not doing it because I covered something in a similar vein a little while back, and my initial draft around this story was more ranty than anything.
@korev: well that's disappointing, article didn't mention that...hopefully the attorneys for the cyclists can deal some civil punishment ($$$) on these a**holes
"The court handed down two-year suspended sentences, including a requirement that the individuals wear electronic bracelets for a year. They had their driving licenses cancelled for six months and have been instructed to compensate their victims."
There seems to be some financial compensation to the victims although this will never reach the crazy amounts awarded in the US. Good thing is they been caught and in case of a future infraction the sentence will be quite harsh. Also, now people know who they are are can always pay them a visit.
Monitoring bracelets means criminal supervision, which is the US states is probation and parole. I don’t know the French equivalent; it could be the same. Suspended sentence means a violation of the criminal supervision can carry not just the ordinary penalty but some or all of the suspended time on top. On any given day, a large number of people in the US are in a jail or prison on a violation, so it’s not always a slap on the wrist, but it can be for some, raising questions about fairness across different cases and how well it works as a deterrent.
Nobody: Me on Halloween as Bobby Peru in a 7k skin suit- “speaking of Jack- One eyed jacks a yearnin’ to go a peepin’ in a seafood store!!! Because you know I mean business- when it comes to cyclin’ !!!!”
If SRAM would just put a little LED on the derailleur that would display the battery charge level it would render that pointless. Like you could just easily look at it before departing for a ride.. oh wait.
@Brave1i1toaster: it could also be an interesting idea to run a small cable from a mechanical gear-shifting device that you mount on the handlebar, ideally near the grips, so that you can change gears without needing a battery at all...
Good for commuters I reckon. SRAM has already built a setup with TQ to have their e-bike battery also power the AXS battery, so they're probably ideating how else other systems can power their batteries.
Keep carrying that spare battery though. I'd be somewhat surprised to see solar panels on fenders actually come to fruition.
@drjohn: sounds like too much potential for grit and grime to get in the cable housing and cause mis-shifting from friction. Push rods is the only solution.
Gravel bike with Pinion... Save single watts with aero components - piss away 10% of the input in the gearbox. (NB: I commute on a rigid pinion touring bike. My lyrik forked, steel 2.8-cushcored Hardtail is more efficient and lighter)
A 40mm gravel fork with 30mm stanchions that weighs 1385g isn't that impressive when a 120mm SID Ultimate weighs about the same and has 35mm stanchions. A 40mm gravel fork should weigh much less.
Props to the Stridsland beachcomber! He grew up on the North Shore so I would imagine that bike is bombproof! N might actually equal 1 with this bike. Congrats!
@SATN-XC: lol the pictures of people in that website. Wtf. Literally posing with a bottle they piss in with a thumbs up. You can tell some of them just don't want to get up off the couch.
@pmhobson: Historically, you’re incorrect. Before about 5 years ago, this site was completely free ride and DH oriented. Not even XC bikes would be on here. Would’ve been shot dead for having road bikes.
@burt-reynolds: huh? Most of the articles today were about freeride or DH.
I’ll spell it out for you.
The explicit assumption was that no one cares. That’s demonstrably false with the positive/active discussion under these articles.
The implicit assumption is either that PB doesn’t cover DH/freeride anymore or that this gets posted at the expense of DH/freeride content. The former is demonstrably false with a quick glance at the front page today. The latter is more up in the air. But if you give it a moment’s thought, you’ll see that this was all compiled from another publication’s articles and that surely doesn’t take a significant effort.
Seriously though, it sounds like it was more of a registration issue and not that the pedals/cleats were banned. That said, if a registration issue...why wasn't that flagged before stage 1? its all a mess and not a good look for the UCI (but whats new)
But you're right, the worst part is that they informed the team the morning before the start so they were left scrambling to find replacement pedals, cleats, and shoes. They obviously knew well before that but decided to wait till the last minute.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again
Honesty, truth and levity is much welcomed in the comment section.
I'm going to assume thise that had all the negative comments likely didnt even read the article, but just skimmed the headline, much like I did.
theres usually 2 sides to every story, so getting some version of the other side is appreciated
Suppose a team showed up with prototype rear wheels, totally closed. There could be a hub motor in it, for all we know.
Ekoi was to late submitting the required paper work, so the result is they were not allowed to use the pedals.
if you leave highly competitive athletes, some will stop at nothing to gain a competitive edge.
That goes for doping, but also for the material they use, and how they use it.
Puppy paws, super tuck… it's fast, but it's also potentially pretty dangerous if you go at pro racer speeds, in a peloton, on hairpin descends, etc. It's the same with inward position shifters: it's more aero, but it's also harder to steer and brake properly. And also, current handlebars are not designed to withstand the forces of shifters set up like that. So you regulate stuff like that, to basically protect the riders from themselves.
No of course, you can debate just where those lines need to be drawn - no matter where you draw the lines, people will always debate it - but it's not unreasonable to draw a line.
UCI has set of rules, either follow them or dont, your choice. If you choose not to, well youre at your own risk. Thats pretty straightforward. It just "a rule" its not specifically about pedals, pedals just fall under "the rule"
Im not sure any of us have all the info, so feel free to cast that stone, but I prefer to have as much info as possible prior to making a judgment YMMV.
You have no idea who did or didnt read the article, see previous comment
The pedals were banned because of a simple, and actually quite reasonable rule: all materials used in a race must be available to the public also (within a certain time span). That ensures the products are safe and follow regulations.
Suppose a team showed up with prototype rear wheels, totally closed. There could be a hub motor in it, for all we know.
Ekoi was to late submitting the required paper work, so the result is they were not allowed to use the pedals.
As well as comments by @FisherFreerider There was no first stage in reality, it was cancelled due to protests unrelated to cycling.
Your welcome to disagree with a rule, all of us are, doesnt mean its right.
Loads of people can share your opinion, doesnt make it right. 500 years ago, the general consensus was that the world was flat, it was the popular opinion at the time....
the rule would have a direct impact on rider safety, as products sold to consumers go through much more rigorous testing and standards requirements.
Theres more than one justification for the rule, and in reality, its a pretty easy rule to abide by. Theres also a bureaucratic element to the story in regards to the timing of the application, again seems pretty easy, and is the same rule for everyone (I'm sure youll point out some sort of obscure example to aid your argument)
Sure, the big players can game the system, so can the smaller ones, being creative with rules is what creates competition on different levels.
I dont blindly believe any of it one way or another, and that was my original point to you, the jumping to conclusions based on incorrect facts, not actually reading all the available info, and hoping on that bandwagon of hating the UCI doesnt help to serve anything.
Keep in mind, they missed an application deadline, to circumvent an established rule, there to likely aid in exactly what youre so upset that the UCI is doing (provideing a pathway for smaller compaines, and innovation). If it was the other way, youd be upset that the UCI allowed a competitive advantage to a company that couldnt simply follow the rules.
You see how that creates a "no-win" situation?
Pinkbike, can we talk cookies? Your consent form is a piece of crap; there's no button to refuse all cookies, including those that fall under the so-called "legitimate interest".
Right now it's a real pain in the ass. Please give us a "Refuse all" button !
To be clear, talking from Europe with RGPD
Or you can just spend the 15 minutes, run a cable housing and not have to deal with all the electrical crap.
That doesn't compute.
www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/31/men-accused-of-pushing-cyclists-into-ditches-for-fun-go-on-trial-in-france
velo.outsideonline.com/urban/urban-culture/reflective-gear-wont-stop-cyclists-from-being-hit-by-cars
They had their driving licenses cancelled for six months and have been instructed to compensate their victims."
There seems to be some financial compensation to the victims although this will never reach the crazy amounts awarded in the US.
Good thing is they been caught and in case of a future infraction the sentence will be quite harsh. Also, now people know who they are are can always pay them a visit.
Me on Halloween as Bobby Peru in a 7k skin suit- “speaking of Jack- One eyed jacks a yearnin’ to go a peepin’ in a seafood store!!! Because you know I mean business- when it comes to cyclin’ !!!!”
peesport.com/en-gb/products/the-pee-bottle
I’ll spell it out for you.
The explicit assumption was that no one cares. That’s demonstrably false with the positive/active discussion under these articles.
The implicit assumption is either that PB doesn’t cover DH/freeride anymore or that this gets posted at the expense of DH/freeride content. The former is demonstrably false with a quick glance at the front page today. The latter is more up in the air. But if you give it a moment’s thought, you’ll see that this was all compiled from another publication’s articles and that surely doesn’t take a significant effort.