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The difference in the MTB community is if "fans" were throwing urine at Bruni or Hart while going down the hill they would be dealt with instantly by proper fans. How these people were allowed to stand the whole practice and race shouting abuse and throwing liquids with no consequences is absurd, especially at his home race and someone at the top of their sport. I would like to think we have much more respect for our athletes putting on a show in front of us
I attended 5 races during the Kerstperiode this year, including the one in Hulst where the spitting happened. The CX crowds are much more casual than the MTB ones. Most people basically just go because there's a party in town, without much interest in the cycling part. So I can imagine that if you are a family or an old couple standing beside a drunken idiot, you would just keep your mouth shut for the fear of having your day ruined, no matter how uncomfortable the situation makes you.
I think he should not have spit at them. That's just not okay. But I understand him very well. Throwing beer and booing isn't okay either. It happens a lot a CX events. I've heard him talk about that many times (interviews in Dutch). Those people are so lame and unfair.
@naptime: yes of course, same here. I'd shoot them if I had a gun. But MvdP is a well-known athlete and probably role model too, so he shouldn't spit. Period.
@vhdh666: So you think shooting someone with a gun is less serious than spitting at them? hah.
Realistically, spitting was one of the only options without interrupting his race position by stopping to deal with them, race marshals should have managed it.
@justanotherusername: Of course, I would never should someone. It was an expression of how much it would irritate me (the booing) and how agrressive it would make me
He had 2 options without interrupting the race, doing nothing or spitting. I understand he spat but he should've done nothing (because he's a role model). The UCI should do something about it.
@justanotherusername: like I said, the ICI or the organiser of the race should solve it. Those booing people are easy to find on the course, either near the 'bar tent' or aäsomewhwre far back in the woods
My initial thoughts on the spitting were, that's completely unprofessional and unacceptable. My second thoughts were, if I'm at work, and somebody is constantly booing me, throwing cups of urine at me, I'm going to react. It doesn't matter how much you're paid, or what you do for a living, that shouldn't happen at work, not anywhere.
There's this guy called Kanye West who when he is at work makes a good case for being booed, and having bottles of piss and shit thrown at him all the time. I would in fact argue that it should therefore definitely happen at work, or indeed anywhere else.
Tried to read articles about MVDP. Paywall blocked. Gets the gist of the article based on headlines and Googles for more info. Read all about the incidents elsewhere on the internet.
MVDP fine by UCI, I really hope he will request UCI to fined also the organization of that race and the security risk he face with such people. I strongly disagree if on the same their is no fined for the organization , marshal and UCI and that the #@## people get a banned, a fined and proper communication in their local town
Doping, WADA, blah blah. However, I just got my own glimpse of how opioids are still perceived. I used to have a line of work in Canada where you heard about opioid issues daily. Then I left that, and you still heard about it. Then I moved to France, and almost 2 years later I watch Painkiller on Netflix. Then I have a small surgery scheduled, and get my list of pre and post op meds and supplies. I don't think much of it until the pharmacist points out the pain meds. You can have this one OR this one, not both. Start with A, if the pain is too much switch to B the next day. I get home and decide to translate and research. My "just in case" med is Tramadol. Just handed it over, cheap as chips, and said "just in case, but don't take it with other stuff".
The Big Pharma juggernaut marches on. It's interesting that opioids in general aren't already banned at large by any and all athletic drug programs, but what do I know. Anyway, surgery went well, barely need Med A, the Tramadol is put away for return to the pharmacy and destruction. *Hopeful destruction.
The area where MVDP and the crowd had their disagreement was directly in line with a camera position, that’s how he has was caught. You would have thought that it would have also caught anything being thrown at him throughout the race and you would have also thought he would have mentioned having stuff thrown at him in his post race interview, which he didn’t.
@handynzl: Pretty sure that the UCI has a rule against covering your helmet with your ears. It is clearly an advantage to have those ears. I believe it is known as the "Dumbo" rule.
I am waiting to hear how much the UCI is going to charge the racers for the results of their extreme heat Protocols… maybe they’ll charge the viewers more to watch “extreme” racing.
The more I learn about the UCI, the less respect I have for them…
CX even making a discussion out of a race incident with the pushed guy clearly being at fault tells me CX is not the cool cousin of road cycling I thought it was. Just put some of the weenies up Pic Blanc for some real pushing (off the track).
Every CX fan knows the pushed guy was at fault. The only reason MvdP got some critique about that shove was because many/some Belgian fans are super nationalistic when it comes to their sport. It's a Belgian thing by origin, and they want Wout van Aert to win so much, that they can't stand it when MvdP is so superior. It gets very heated, which is fine up to a degree, but some of them go completely overboard with that, fueled by the big amounts of beer that is being consumed at the races. CX is very cool, it's just that some spectators take it a bit too serious.
@warmerdamj: yeup, I know CX racing, it has a bad rep here because of the masses of drunk, unrespectful supporters it attracts since forever. The beer throwing / spitting / throwing riders off their bikes problem is something I remember from 30 years ago. It’s a sport for world class athletes but you almost have to be drunk to enjoy it as a fan.
Looking at CX I cannot understand how they are not using a dropper post, it is only 1 hour of riding, and the extra weight penalty cannot affect as much. Being able to descend in control and go through the sections instead of that silly/dumb walk carrying your bike it almost looks lame to me, with some decent MTB technical skills and a bit fatter tires I´m sure faster laps can be achieved.
LOL, you actually think they get off their bikes because their saddle is in the way…?
Next time, watch the race more closely. They get off their bikes only for two reasons: • if a climb is not ridable (seems like you don't know, but their tires are not allowed to be wider than 37mm and the courses can be VERY muddy or sandy) • if a part of the course (that can be a climb, a very technical stretch of the course, of extremely muddy/sandy/slippery) is actually faster when you run it.
CX riders hardly ever get off their bikes for a descend. I don't think I've ever seen anyone do that. They are super skilled riders, riding down everything, bunnyhopping the 'planks' (which are quite high and close to each other), do hairpin tuns, ride off camber stuff etc.
They don't use dropper posts because they can't be bothered: they don't need it, and it wouldn't make them any faster. It's not an mtb race, and them being underbiked is part of the sport. It means the fittest, and properly skilled rider wins.
@davidesne: you are showing a lot of ignorance on the subject. Riders mostly get out of the bike and run when the stuff is unrideable with their 33mm tires, it is faster too run, they don't have enough grip and or a hill is too steep to be climbed (and in that case it would be the same with an MTB).
But MvdP is a well-known athlete and probably role model too, so he shouldn't spit. Period.
Realistically, spitting was one of the only options without interrupting his race position by stopping to deal with them, race marshals should have managed it.
He had 2 options without interrupting the race, doing nothing or spitting. I understand he spat but he should've done nothing (because he's a role model). The UCI should do something about it.
Where should he draw the line then in your opinion? - Do nothing if they throw shit at him? pull him off the bike and beat him up?
youtu.be/qBxpuwFXhj4?si=qBvdfEfzmKpV1MPO
The Big Pharma juggernaut marches on. It's interesting that opioids in general aren't already banned at large by any and all athletic drug programs, but what do I know. Anyway, surgery went well, barely need Med A, the Tramadol is put away for return to the pharmacy and destruction. *Hopeful destruction.
You would have thought that it would have also caught anything being thrown at him throughout the race and you would have also thought he would have mentioned having stuff thrown at him in his post race interview, which he didn’t.
;p
The more I learn about the UCI, the less respect I have for them…
The only reason MvdP got some critique about that shove was because many/some Belgian fans are super nationalistic when it comes to their sport. It's a Belgian thing by origin, and they want Wout van Aert to win so much, that they can't stand it when MvdP is so superior. It gets very heated, which is fine up to a degree, but some of them go completely overboard with that, fueled by the big amounts of beer that is being consumed at the races.
CX is very cool, it's just that some spectators take it a bit too serious.
It’s a sport for world class athletes but you almost have to be drunk to enjoy it as a fan.
However, those MCR’s are great bikes for people who really Want to link “every road AND trail” together, no matter what…
Next time, watch the race more closely. They get off their bikes only for two reasons:
• if a climb is not ridable (seems like you don't know, but their tires are not allowed to be wider than 37mm and the courses can be VERY muddy or sandy)
• if a part of the course (that can be a climb, a very technical stretch of the course, of extremely muddy/sandy/slippery) is actually faster when you run it.
CX riders hardly ever get off their bikes for a descend. I don't think I've ever seen anyone do that. They are super skilled riders, riding down everything, bunnyhopping the 'planks' (which are quite high and close to each other), do hairpin tuns, ride off camber stuff etc.
They don't use dropper posts because they can't be bothered: they don't need it, and it wouldn't make them any faster.
It's not an mtb race, and them being underbiked is part of the sport. It means the fittest, and properly skilled rider wins.
Not because saddle is too high.
Well said!