@skerby: Sure. My point being, we often think that a casual ride with a half shell comes without fatal risks. This is a reminder that accidents can happen at any time.
@steflund: I'm still suffering from post concussion symptoms 4 years after a crash with a half shell, and although things can happen at any time, I just want to say be careful out there people.
@skerby: ? had he been at a slightly different angle in the half shell, he would have had a major facial injury. In a full face, he'd have hit the chinbar and the brow the helmet.
@jeremiahwas: Thanks for the link. Sadly I can relate all too well to his story, in fact you could probably swap my name with his and the story would read the same. I wish him well on his recovery, ride safe everyone.
@steflund: yup. Happened to me. Put my face into a rock and ended up with emergency plastic surgery. The surgeon said it was as if I'd put a scalpel in my nose and ripped out, but instead I did it with a rock from the other direction. My lips got messed up too. Lucky for me the surgeon was a legend and the scars aren't too bad
Yep I went OTB going incredibly slow and would've been ok cept my ribs landed right on a rock. Bruised them and the pain sucked for a couple of a weeks. Learned my lesson after that day that even the most mellow rides can mess you up bad.
Got myself one those thin and light Leatt protection vests as well as a heavy duty one for the bike park. Sometimes get weird looks when I'm out riding with a full face and protection to the gills on the trails but it sure as hell beats ending up in the hospital.
@OnkleJoachim: how exactly would fullface help with your concussion? Each crash is dofferent and each helmet is different, the decil is in the details, but if we could come out with a tule of a thumb, half lid gives you less chance of concussion or at least lesser co concussion than FF. Let’s say we are comparing Poc Tectal with Poc Coron or TLD A2 with D4. Half lid will move more over your head, is smaller = smaller leverage of the force and to top that is softer, will break, thus will take energy of the impact better.
Full faces aren't to reduce concussions, they exist because both the rocks and ground are much harder than your face. My rides are pedal up, ride down and I wear my Bell super DH religiously.
With the advent of lightweight full face helmets that breathe, I think we will see more people riding them over time.
Ive got two fake front teeth, and wear a Bell Super DH every ride. It’s cheaper to replace a helmet than replace the fancy front teeth, plus the helmet prevents the injury in the first place, so no awkward time between no teeth and the time I get them back in/properly faked.
As a working stiff both of those are appearing to me. Saves me cash, and down time from work.
@jeremiahwas: I read the full story. Very strange. In most cases the severity of TBI is correlated with the time patient was unconscious. Here he was conscious all the time. Also he didn't have brain trauma in a window of couple of weeks before the last accident. All this means that he's brain was probably already badly injured much earlier. What the whole story lacks is a warning that people should never go back biking faster than 2 months after TBI. Second TBI in the window right after the first one can put you on a wheelchair or worse. Brain has to heal.
@jayacheess: search Kali helmet articles and have a read. I repeated what was written there. Surprise, calling something pseudo science doesn’t give you credibility. Pseudo science/ Fake News with no backing up with argument/ data, method was good during Trump campaign. World has changed
@WAKIdesigns: I think that you forgot about one important factor. There are accidents where most of the impact is going through the face. As gross as it sounds, that happens. And you may sustain TBI this way. Wearing a FF would greatly increase chances of having smaller TBI or even no at all.
@goroncy: the best way for a MTBer to avoid TBI is to stay away from mountain bikes. Once I heard few rippers talk sht about some dude, that he comes up dressed up in all armor, never hits big lines, stays for years on small jumps and crashes all the time because he has no balls to get out of his comfort zone. And they were bloody right. The more I ride the more I learn that trying to stay safe, thinking about God only knows which responsibilities is an effective way to get seriously injured. I wish it was that easy: pad up = less injuries, better safe than sorry, people without this and this protection get serious injuries - but it isn’t. It just isn’t. Ask all World Cup racers. “I wouldn’t try this and that without FF and body armor” oh well dude saying that wouldn’t try that in Ironman suit and if he did he’d die anyways. Amount of gear you are wearing is not just protection, it’s a state of mind.
Kid's Dad is an absolute legend. For those of you with young kids, or no kids yet, take note. Kid is laying there waiting to see his dad's reaction to decide if he should cry or not. Dad is calm cool and collected, and so the kid is too. Guarantee if dad runs over "screaming OMG are you OK?" that kid would be bawling.
Dad just prevented hearing a lifetime of bawling and whining.
@twd953: maybe not all in that one instance, but repeated not over reacting does help condition the kid to better self reliance. At the same time, since the dad was actually there, and calmly asked if they were ok, gives kid reassurance that there are people who care about him. Good example.
@dglobulator: I think PB should hire a couple of these riders for the "Huck To Flat" tests, as it should be even more entertaining watching what breaks 1st, the bike or rider...
Bad luck can happen on any ride and sometimes you just get a little out of control...
But man, you can really see that the majority of the riders have zero bike handling skills whatsoever. Just huck for glory.
That face into rock crash was wild, dude was so lucky.
Agreed, it seems like 7 or 8 out of every 10 fails is a novice pushing the limits of their abilities. Here's to them, otherwise we wouldn't have these wonderful videos, but we certainly don't want to see anyone get hurt, or fracture their face on a rock.
I had a perfect front yard fail last Sunday, unfortunately it wasn't caught on film. Suffice it to say pump-tracks and a ton of beers don't mix too well. I taco'd the front rim of my hard tail taking a "creative line" and came up with a face full of dirt. To make matters worse as this was happening my buddy was trying to convince my wife to let me keep the pump track rather than demoing it. My little exposay didn't help my cause.
@jaytdubs: Hmm...not sure about that. Seems like a lot of fully kitted up guys sending it. Some of the wrecks are downright scary. Kodak courage can be dangerous!
Pump tracks can be gnarly. Had a similar wreck, tried to send it on a buddy's brand new bike. Result was a scraped up bike and a knee swollen like a basketball.
So true and it's because we have a culture in biking that is resistant to getting coaching or instruction or even tips from other riders. Instead of "Stop pulliing up with your f*cking feet." you get "oh sick bro. you ok?"
What I’ll never understand is the people who fully commit to crashing before they even land. You can tell who these are because they go down as soon as their wheels hit the ground.
@KavuRider: Plenty of “kitted up” novices are out on the trails. I’ve made the mistake more than once thinking someone that went down ahead of me was a good and fast rider, only to catch up to them all too quickly.
@jaytdubs: MTB coaching and clinics are starting to catch on, but, yeah, for the most part bikers are just kooks going for it. Some eventually learn skills some don't.
The real winner this week is that little kids dad... kept his cool and didn’t make it into a big deal. That kid will move on to wreck another day and not lose his shit every time he gets a scratch.
3:15 was pretty much me 2ish years when I got my first modern bike with wide bars. 800mm, never occurred to me that they simply wouldn't fit between the trees on some of my trails.
If you go to videos on this site, there is a "Friday fails" folder. You upload your video to it. (that's probably imprecise, but that's the general process).
www.singletracks.com/uncategorized/the-long-road-back-from-a-traumatic-brain-injury-part-1
With the advent of lightweight full face helmets that breathe, I think we will see more people riding them over time.
Ive got two fake front teeth, and wear a Bell Super DH every ride. It’s cheaper to replace a helmet than replace the fancy front teeth, plus the helmet prevents the injury in the first place, so no awkward time between no teeth and the time I get them back in/properly faked.
As a working stiff both of those are appearing to me. Saves me cash, and down time from work.
Full face ftw.
Love it.
Dad just prevented hearing a lifetime of bawling and whining.
I had a perfect front yard fail last Sunday, unfortunately it wasn't caught on film. Suffice it to say pump-tracks and a ton of beers don't mix too well. I taco'd the front rim of my hard tail taking a "creative line" and came up with a face full of dirt. To make matters worse as this was happening my buddy was trying to convince my wife to let me keep the pump track rather than demoing it. My little exposay didn't help my cause.
Pump tracks can be gnarly. Had a similar wreck, tried to send it on a buddy's brand new bike. Result was a scraped up bike and a knee swollen like a basketball.
What I’ll never understand is the people who fully commit to crashing before they even land. You can tell who these are because they go down as soon as their wheels hit the ground.
1:27 - congratulations on your new unicycle
Good luck I look forward to analyzing your fail.
The post-bail equivalent of "I'm not crying, you're crying"
"Im good."
Narrator - "but what he didn't know at the time was that he was not good..."
Nope!