Video: Tearing Apart the New 2023 Rockshox Boxxer Ultimate Downhill Fork

 calm down Jean Michel

 I was hoping for a willit blend approach

 I was expecting Brage Vestavik smashing it apart with a Marzocchi in each hand

 "Eddie Halls rips a pack of cards!!" *Eddie Hall taking 3 minutes trying to get off the plastic wrap and seal*

 If you have been paying attention closely, you may have seen a few floating around some Crankworx photos

 @hukriede: seen this too

 Spotted in whistler. Check stories of SRAM riders in whistler you’ll see some people with red zebs.

 @jray152: Who?

 @hukriede: where are these photos please!??

 @morgandewirth: check melamed's stories

 @xy9ine: dunno if its just me but i can find it!? no worry's

 @mtbflow24: where's red Zeb? Red Zeb's dead baby red Zeb's dead

 Shoot from the hip?

 Kind of weird but the lack of bulge has me _more_ turned on.

 Tokens are actually better.
Pressure in the 2nd positive chamber dictates mid stroke support more than bottom out. Once the piston in the 2nd chamber goes full travel, bottom out support (or lack of) remains constant.
This comes from pulling apart and extensively tweaking an ohlins 3 chamber air spring.
I will take a well balanced 2 chamber spring & tokens over a 3 chamber air spring any day.

 @zyoungson: 3 chambers are way more tuneable. You can even put spacers in the 3rd chamber if you like. Tuneability is endless. You can also remove the ifp and turn a 3 chamber in a 2 chamber system. The other way round is not always possible or quite expensive

 @zyoungson: I did my own third chamber for lyrik and It made a huge difference. You can find me on Instagram: @wytoczywiscie
Higher rate in the middle of the stroke was noticeable, and I was still able to use full travel.

 @lightone: really nice work

 Any charger will always be harsh because RS loves digressive damping. Just buy a different brand, problem solved.

 @lkubica: but the reviewers....

 @Mac1987: Some people like it, mostly heavier ones or on bikes with more leverage, because then low speed is just normal and high speed is underdamped (when they get standard tunes). I don't believe reviewers, they would say that a bike is lively, planted etc where 50% of it just comes from rear shock tune, but they would never analyze it, they would never try a different shock. Their job is to just show the product which arrived to them with minimum involvement, without plain lying but also without saying inconvenient truths.

 @lkubica: oh I totally agree, but I was referencing the response of a lot of buyers. The 'every review gives this 10/10 and every review says it either Fox or Rockshox that has redefined the game (again), so it most be the bee's knees' response. I don't agree with that, but it's going to influence the sales regardless.

 This was sweetspot quinney

 Nope no coma, time travel RS is back to elastomers, its their fall back position, except they renamed them buttercups.
I wonder how many part numbers they will have for this "New" technology.

 It's almost as if they wanted to make it as complex and costly as they could. The new air spring alone something almost explains the price increase. Or they wanted to change it after some parts were already in production.

 Maybe you cant put that equalisation port so far up the leg because of machining

 I find it odd that they have it on the SDU shock but not their top flight forks? Especially Boxxers given that they are more linear than other air forks, and would most likely benefit from having adjustable HBO

 @samdaman1: HBO is a bit of a nonsense on anything with mtb levels of travel. HBO makes sense on trophy trucks where a 10" long rubber bumper would just get smashed to pieces in short order, but if you are only trying to control the last inch or so of travel on an mtb, a rubber bumper is fine. In some ways its actually a better system.

 @gabiusmaximus: Having tried
HBO both front & back I beg to differ, esp.
on flat drops and overshots...

 Sram forks come stock very "dry". My last two forks were barely lubed from day 0,I took both to my trusted suspension guy and lube all the seals then new oil bath. The Boxxer was terrible,but that initial service made the forks very smooth.
Do not trust new bikes out of the box,it worth a check to the suspension too.

 Wondered the same thing sounds like it’s definitely better than the Zeb air spring.

 Since the process is roughly adiabatic the temperature increase is proportion to the pressure multiplied by the volume. As the volume gets smaller the pressures increase to provide the same spring force. Since this is proportional there is no increase in air temperature.

That being said the process is not truly adiabatic and you will get some heat transfer to the cylinder. The smaller air cylinders means less surface area (and so less heat transfer for a given cycle) BUT the air cylinder is now internal to the stanchion and does not get active cooling from airflow. Net result is *probably* a slight increase in temperature but I would guess it is probably not a noticeable effect.

Smaller diameter seals are generally lower friction so you might see some benefits there.

 Good question. It also requires much higher pressures, 175psi for a 175# rider!

Fox does the same thing with the 38, uses a small piston from a 34 in a tube in the leg.

 @RoboDuck: the total heat energy generated is the same, but isn't it generated over a smaller volume (thus causing higher absolute temperatures)?

 @RoboDuck: smaller seals equal less friction. But the higher pressure, wich is necessary because of the smaller surface puts more pressure on the seals wich creates more friction. So it does cancel out kind of

 why doesn't any one make a progressive wound coil for forks? or a multi stage coil?

 @ReformedRoadie: Race Only springs does.

 @plustiresaintdead: but I want to do casual rides with them!

 @plustiresaintdead: sure about that? I think you may have meant to say "Race Only springs did"

 @ReformedRoadie: Take a deep breath buddy, I didn't know they were donezo. Congrats on your internet point.

 you can disable autoplay if need be.... can be done in Chrome and in your "Video Playback" settings in your profile.

 You can disable in Pinkbike settings too.

 @Roost66: it doesn't work in PB settings

 @bok-CZ: It does for me.

 @Roost66: I've got autoplay turned of in pinkbike settings. They still f*cking autoplay though.

 Oh poor you, get over your preconceived ideas, ride one, lube it, ride again, …..what it is only 10,000x better than we used to ride 10yr ago?

 @NZRalphy: hey that's if it comes from the factory with lube to start with. This isn't about lubing it after every ride this is about the damper being average at best.